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Preboot and DCnU feats are usable for Clark. No bfr. They are in character, but willing to injure extensively for the KO.
Go!!

Depends upon how you view BM in comparison to superman.

I would pay to see a fight between Supes and Blue Marvel.

Pre-reboot AND DCNU feats? Really?

It would go like all the superman vs his clones fights.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Depends upon how you view BM in comparison to superman. No. its sure answer so it depends on u..
Originally posted by -Pr-
Pre-reboot AND DCNU feats? Really?
Huh? Just to clarify PC Supes feats not included. That wut ure getting at ?

Originally posted by abhilegend
It would go like all the superman vs his clones fights.

Blue Marvel isn't a clone.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No. its sure answer so it depends on u..

Huh? Just to clarify PC Supes feats not included. That wut ure getting at ?
I wasn't much impressed by him. I think wonder man would be a bigger problem if he's classic, not the current jobber.

Originally posted by carver9
Blue Marvel isn't a clone.
Yeah, right.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I wasn't much impressed by him. I think wonder man would be a bigger problem if he's classic, not the current jobber.
He just put Rulk into a sleeper hold. That's outright out muscling him.

Not really an answer, but I can't imagine any credible writer having Supes soloing a group that strong.

(Now que Phil or Ahbi posting a scan of him doing just that lol)

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No. its sure answer so it depends on u..

Huh? Just to clarify PC Supes feats not included. That wut ure getting at ?

You're basically saying anything after COIE is valid. So, from 1986 up until today, right?

Originally posted by dmills
Not really an answer, but I can't imagine any credible writer having Supes soloing a group that strong.

(Now que Phil or Ahbi posting a scan of him doing just that lol)

Ending Battle lol

Originally posted by dmills
Not really an answer, but I can't imagine any credible writer having Supes soloing a group that strong.

(Now que Phil or Ahbi posting a scan of him doing just that lol)

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He just put Rulk into a sleeper hold. That's outright out muscling him.
Rulk is even more of a jobber now.Originally posted by dmills
Not really an answer, but I can't imagine any credible writer having Supes soloing a group that strong.

(Now que Phil or Ahbi posting a scan of him doing just that lol)
Kal beats better groups than these three every other week.
Its abhi, damnit.

Yeah, Rulk will get his face punched in by Supes. They are not giving the character any justice recently. Wonderman is still a beast though but BM is more of a beast.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Rulk is even more of a jobber now.
Kal beats better groups than these three every other week.
Its abhi, damnit.

Lol my bad bro.

Originally posted by dmills
Lol my bad bro.
NP, bro.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Rulk is even more of a jobber now.
Kal beats better groups than these three every other week.
Its abhi, damnit.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're basically saying anything after COIE is valid. So, from 1986 up until today, right?
Pretty much. So who wins?

With those benefits going to Supes, he wins.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Pretty much. So who wins?

It wouldn't be the first time Superman has beaten a team of heralds, so he can do it. It just won't be easy either way, especially with Simon's recent push.

Superman for a majority. Just OWAW mindset of FC is needed.

Blue Marvel isn't a Superman clone.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Blue Marvel isn't a Superman clone.
He is and he isn't.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He is and he isn't.

His back story is nothing at all like Superman. Neither is his personality or skill set. His array of powers is based around anti-matter. He flies, is strong, and has/had a cape. If that's all it takes to be labeled a Superman clone...el oh el, I guess.

Hyperion, Gladiator, and Sentry are closer to being clones than Blue Marvel is.

Yeah I agree with Jake on that. Kallark, Hype, Majestic etc are definitely archetypes but not Adam imo. But then again where does someone like Icon fit in? He has a different power set then Supes but is still considered an archetype.

Considering no clone has the same personality as superman and the basic nature of their power is different than superman(Gladiator:Psychic, Hyperion:nuclear, Majestic:inherent, Sentry:Too conflicting etc), its lolworthy to think that just because BM gets his powers from anti-matter and has a distinct personality, he isn't an expy. But jake is a captain marvel fan, so I can get where he is getting this from.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Considering no clone has the same personality as superman and the basic nature of their power is different than superman(Gladiator:Psychic, Hyperion:nuclear, Majestic:inherent, Sentry:Too conflicting etc), its lolworthy to think that just because BM gets his powers from anti-matter and has a distinct personality, he isn't an expy. But jake is a captain marvel fan, so I can get where he is getting this from.

Dafuq?

Gladiator is a direct homage to Superman, and by extension of the Imperial Guard, the Legion of Superheroes.

Hyperion is a direct homage to Superman, and by extension of the Squadron Supreme, the JLA.

Sentry is a solar based/themed hero designed to be the "ultimate hero" in the Marvel Universe, much like Superman is in the DCU.

Majestic is pretty goddamn obvious.

What the hell kind of homage is Blue Marvel supposed to be? Hell, all of those other clones have mirrored power sets, even if their sources are different (hyper senses, heat/laser vision, etc).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Considering no clone has the same personality as superman and the basic nature of their power is different than superman(Gladiator:Psychic, Hyperion:nuclear, Majestic:inherent, Sentry:Too conflicting etc), its lolworthy to think that just because BM gets his powers from anti-matter and has a distinct personality, he isn't an expy. But jake is a captain marvel fan, so I can get where he is getting this from.

The nature of how their powers work may vary but generally the power sets are the same or similar. Super breath, heat vision, invulnerability, super strength, heat/laser vision, weaknesses to specific wavelengths of radiation, enhanced ocular abilities etc. Hyperion and Glads are blatant Superman types. I wouldn't consider Adam that just because he flies and is really strong. But each his own brother.

the OP says "but willing to injure extensively for the KO."
does that mean LOEB force Rulk?


Originally posted by -Pr-
Pre-reboot AND DCNU feats? Really?

Originally posted by 8swords
the OP says "but willing to injure extensively for the KO."
does that mean LOEB force Rulk?

Like it or not, we consider the history of each character.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Dafuq?

Gladiator is a direct homage to Superman, and by extension of the Imperial Guard, the Legion of Superheroes.

Hyperion is a direct homage to Superman, and by extension of the Squadron Supreme, the JLA.

Sentry is a solar based/themed hero designed to be the "ultimate hero" in the Marvel Universe, much like Superman is in the DCU.

Majestic is pretty goddamn obvious.

What the hell kind of homage is Blue Marvel supposed to be? Hell, all of those other clones have mirrored power sets, even if their sources are different (hyper senses, heat/laser vision, etc).
Not being a homage to something doesn't make an expy a non-expy. A character who has strength proportionate to a bug, can stick to walls, has bug-sense, and some random ill-defined powers thrown in the mix with the name Bug Adam is a spiderman expy even if he's a villain or is black. Blue marvel has strength, speed, flight, invulnerability and some anti-matter powers, his entire character revolves around "What if a Super-black-man was active in a racist 1962 USA" and he's not a superman expy? Heat vision, freeze breath, x-ray vision, whatever-vision, and shit aren't the primary powers of superman, an expy not having them doesn't excuse it from being an expy. Its not a wrong thing to be based upon superman, I don't know why people get upset over that.

Originally posted by dmills
The nature of how their powers work may vary but generally the power sets are the same or similar. Super breath, heat vision, invulnerability, super strength, heat/laser vision, weaknesses to specific wavelengths of radiation, enhanced ocular abilities etc. Hyperion and Glads are blatant Superman types. I wouldn't consider Adam that just because he flies and is really strong. But each his own brother.
These powers and traits aren't necessary to a superman archtype. The primary powers of a superman archtype are strength, speed, flight and invulnerability.

Originally posted by abhilegend
These powers and traits aren't necessary to a superman archtype. The primary powers of a superman archtype are strength, speed, flight and invulnerability.

That's a pretty narrow definition brother. By those parameters every dude that's strong, invulnerable yet can't fly is a Hulk archetype.

Originally posted by dmills
That's a pretty narrow definition brother. By those parameters every dude that's strong, invulnerable yet can't fly is a Hulk archetype.
No. Hulk by day one has the ability to get stronger by getting mad and is itself an expy of Solomon Grundy and Mr. Hyde. If a character is strong, invulnerable, can get stronger via his happiness then he is an expy of hulk. An expy=/=a blatant clone.

Kallark.....Kal.....CLARK?!?!!?!? D:

team easily..

Easily?

I dont get it.

Superman can beat this team but in my thread black adam cannot beat a team of Blue Marvel & Sentry

Originally posted by abhilegend
Easily?

yup..this team would beat any herald in Supes class like Thor or Surfer easily..

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I dont get it.

Superman can beat this team but in my thread black adam cannot beat a team of Blue Marvel & Sentry

Different teams, kiddo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Different teams, kiddo. Wonder Man and Rulk > Sentry No void

Originally posted by -Pr-
Different teams, kiddo.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Wonder Man and Rulk > Sentry No void



They don't have his regeneration. And Superman has more advantages over them than Adam has over his own team.

Superman and Adam aren't carbon copies of one another, you know.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
yup..this team would beat any herald in Supes class like Thor or Surfer easily..
A team of two jobber low heralds and one mid herald? Phuck no.

Originally posted by abhilegend
A team of two jobber low heralds and one mid herald? Phuck no.

yeah..that's just your own classification of them...which i don't agree..this 3 is enough to beat any herald..maybe i went overboard in saying they win easily..but Supes doesn't have a chance here..he's not gonna win even once..

Originally posted by Slaanesh
yeah..that's just your own classification of them...which i don't agree..this 3 is enough to beat any herald..maybe i went overboard in saying they win easily..but Supes doesn't have a chance here..he's not gonna win even once..
That's classification based on their entire histories. Nope, Kal has beaten tougher foes and not winning once? He could stand there and beat all three for at least once using just strength and durability.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
yeah..that's just your own classification of them...which i don't agree..this 3 is enough to beat any herald..maybe i went overboard in saying they win easily..but Supes doesn't have a chance here..he's not gonna win even once..

I agree with this. Put BM against him alone and things get difficult...hell, looking at BM showings, he could pull some wins. Then add Red Hulk who would be ganging Supes while him and BM go at it and Wonderman who would also be jumping in on a fight against Blue Marvel (who would be giving Superman a run for his money), I can't picture Superman winning this.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this. Put BM against him alone and things get difficult...hell, looking at BM showings, he could pull some wins. Then add Red Hulk who would be ganging Supes while him and BM go at it and Wonderman who would also be jumping in on a fight against Blue Marvel (who would be giving Superman a run for his money), I can't picture Superman winning this.
Because its you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's classification based on their entire histories. Nope, Kal has beaten tougher foes and not winning once? He could stand there and beat all three for at least once using just strength and durability.

Wonderman just beat Rulk without much effort recently..not even Thor is capable of that..anyway..i'm not gonna listen to anything u said when it comes to Supes..u should just give up and leave me with my opinion..

Originally posted by carver9
I agree with this. Put BM against him alone and things get difficult...hell, looking at BM showings, he could pull some wins. Then add Red Hulk who would be ganging Supes while him and BM go at it and Wonderman who would also be jumping in on a fight against Blue Marvel (who would be giving Superman a run for his money), I can't picture Superman winning this.

Red Hulk can't fly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because its you.

Being me doesn't have anything to do with this. You are clearly ignoring who BM is. Any guy that can physically one shot Sentry with a single punch and launch him past planets isn't to be taken lightly. This doesn't include the fact that he was going against the entire Avengers roster before this.

Then he ripped through Antman, someone that also beasted the Avengers. You are insane to think any Herald wouldnt lose to BM (probably not for the majority, but he can/should be able to pull some wins). The thing you fail to realize is...Superman can not afford any time engaging BM in a long fight (which he doesn't have a choice since, well, BM have the fts proving he can hang with/defeat Heralds) because that leaves an open door for Red Hulk and Wonderman to throw in some licks, which again, Superman can NOT afford this because he is already engaging someone who one shot/flash koed Sentry, he is also going against two other class 100. Superman isn't fighting some idiots here. He is fighting some powerful but yet smart, tactical beings...and one of those beings can toss pieces of metal hard enough to destroy a moon.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Wonderman just beat Rulk without much effort recently..not even Thor is capable of that..anyway..i'm not gonna listen to anything u said when it comes to Supes..u should just give up and leave me with my opinion..
Rulk is a jobber who gets his ass beaten by just anybody these days.

So, you're just going to spout nonsense and hope nobody calls you upon it?

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/WonderMan3.jpg

Not many people can resist the Million Dollar Dream hold. Clearly Simon has been watching "Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase matches.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No. Hulk by day one has the ability to get stronger by getting mad and is itself an expy of Solomon Grundy and Mr. Hyde. If a character is strong, invulnerable, can get stronger via his happiness then he is an expy of hulk. An expy=/=a blatant clone.

A few things:

1) You know I don't know all these fancy words. What the heck is expy and =/= mean?

2) So hold on now. You took Supes most generic traits eg; flight, strength, invulnerability and strength and said that anyone who displays those traits can be considered a Supes archetype but then dismissed the notion that strong invulnerable dudes that can't fly, aka bricks, aren't analogous to the Hulk because of a lack of his most distinctive characteristic, emotion/anger based strength? Why the seeming lack of consistent criteria here?

3) If flight, strength, invulnerability, strength are all it takes to be classified as Supes archetypes then by that standard even someone like Classic Nova would be considered one as well since those were exactly his powers at the beginning. But according to Marv Wolfman, it was Spiderman that was mostly the template, along with his own original ideas.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Rulk is a jobber who gets his ass beaten by just anybody these days.

So, you're just going to spout nonsense and hope nobody calls you upon it?

give me an example of this "anybody"..

YOU think it's nonsense..and like i said..i don't care what YOU think when it comes to Supes..

Saying these guys won't give Superman a fight and might possibly take some wins (maybe even a majority), is lowballing.

Saying Superman can't win, when he's beaten teams of heralds on multiple occasions, and has the feats of TWO incarnations of Supermen, is also lowballing.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/WonderMan3.jpg

Not many people can resist the Million Dollar Dream hold. Clearly Simon has been watching "Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase matches.

You have to admit though...Simon has been written pretty powerful these days.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Saying these guys won't give Superman a fight and might possibly take some wins (maybe even a majority), is lowballing.

Saying Superman can't win, when he's beaten teams of heralds on multiple occasions, and has the feats of TWO incarnations of Supermen, is also lowballing.

u really think Supes can take on all three and win in a forum match??

Originally posted by carver9
You have to admit though...Simon has been written pretty powerful these days.

The Million Dollar Dream is a potent submission finisher.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loj90yLlLG1qj2tpy.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Being me doesn't have anything to do with this. Oh you! He flash koed sentry who later beat his ass down. Who is taking him lightly? Just like a young namor just a few months ago. How impressive!

Anti-man beat his ass down in their first fight and knocked him out. He later absorbed Anti-man's energy IIRC. Lulz. He isn't going to be because it isn't a long fight. This isn't a slugfest. Nothing stops superman from blitzing them after he gets the idea how tough these guys are. Superman hit a ball while holding back which would have split the moon in half if he wasn't holding back.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
u really think Supes can take on all three and win in a forum match??

Considering the people he's gone up against before, and the fact that he's able to call on feats from both before and after the reboot, yes.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The Million Dollar Dream is a potent submission finisher.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loj90yLlLG1qj2tpy.jpg

Originally posted by Slaanesh
give me an example of this "anybody"..

YOU think it's nonsense..and like i said..i don't care what YOU think when it comes to Supes..
Domino.

Its nonsense, so I called you upon it. I didn't add IMO here.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Considering the people he's gone up against before, and the fact that he's able to call on feats from both before and after the reboot, yes.

ok..just wanted to know your opinion..

@ABHI...

Sentry dived bomb him from the moon...while he was fighting the other Avengers. Sentry didn't knock him out either...the Avengers (including Sentry) contained him. Lol @ you trying to use Sentry defeating someone as a low showing...hahahaha.

When did Namor take on a team of high metas a 2 low Heralds and a High Herald and was winning? Scans.

He defeated Antman, which is my point.

Lol @ this not being a long fight. Something is clearly wrong with you.

Learn what "in character" mean. He isn't one shotting anyone here either.

I guess that proves Superman and Blue Marvel are in the same tier which gives me enough reason to believe this team wins against any Herald.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Domino.

Its nonsense, so I called you upon it. I didn't add IMO here.

Rulk never fought Domino..Domino run away the moment Rulk saw her..are u making things up??

u don't need to add IMO for it to be just your opinion..

Scans of Superman breaking out of the Million Dollar Dream.

Originally posted by dmills
A few things:

1) You know I don't know all these fancy words. What the heck is expy and =/= mean? Learn grampa, learn
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Expy

=/= means not equal to, silly.

Because those were the traits superman possesed in beginning and was the first to come in the medium. Hulk wasn't the first brick type character, what made him hulk was his most notable "madder, stronger" dynamic. If we're trying to say if Luke cage is an expy of hulk, it'd be wrong because hulk as a simple brick is an expy himself.

Definitely. Being a template doesn't mean its not an archtype. Fun facttan lee used golden age superman as a template for spidey hence the daily bugle/daily star, red-blue dress and many things like these are similar to both of them.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Rulk never fought Domino..Domino run away the moment Rulk saw her..are u making things up??

u don't need to add IMO for it to be just your opinion..
He lost to domino in AvX vs 6.

Not when they are facts like in this case.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/WonderMan3.jpg

Not many people can resist the Million Dollar Dream hold. Clearly Simon has been watching "Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase matches. Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The Million Dollar Dream is a potent submission finisher.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loj90yLlLG1qj2tpy.jpg That is awesome.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He lost to domino in AvX vs 6.

Not when they are facts like in this case.

lol..did u even read that..u seriously using that..thats not even canon..

get over yourself..what u think is not fact

Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI...

Sentry dived bomb him from the moon...while he was fighting the other Avengers. Sentry didn't knock him out either...the Avengers (including Sentry) contained him. Lol @ you trying to use Sentry defeating someone as a low showing...hahahaha.

When did Namor take on a team of high metas a 2 low Heralds and a High Herald and was winning? Scans.

He defeated Antman, which is my point.

Lol @ this not being a long fight. Something is clearly wrong with you.

Learn what "in character" mean. He isn't one shotting anyone here either.

I guess that proves Superman and Blue Marvel are in the same tier which gives me enough reason to believe this team wins against any Herald.

No, they aren't in the same tier. Don't be silly.

==============

Abhi, stop bashing.

Originally posted by carver9
@ABHI...

Sentry dived bomb him from the moon...while he was fighting the other Avengers. Sentry didn't knock him out either...the Avengers (including Sentry) contained him. Lol @ you trying to use Sentry defeating someone as a low showing...hahahaha.

When did Namor take on a team of high metas a 2 low Heralds and a High Herald and was winning? Scans.

He defeated Antman, which is my point.

Lol @ this not being a long fight. Something is clearly wrong with you.

Learn what "in character" mean. He isn't one shotting anyone here either.

I guess that proves Superman and Blue Marvel are in the same tier which gives me enough reason to believe this team wins against any Herald.
Your point is? He beat BM's ass down in a few panels and he didn't dive bomb from moon, just from orbit. Cyborg superman with rings dive bombed superman from moon and Kal shrugged it off.

At that time as shown, yes. Bob persona sentry was weaksauce.

Avengers/Invaders, he twoshotted sentry, curbstomped Ares/Wonder Man and was casually beating Iron man.

That tactic wouldn't work here.

When did I say its a oneshot? Its not a long fight anyway.

Except for BM its an outlier and for superman an average feat.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
lol..did u even read that..u seriously using that..thats not even canon..

get over yourself..what u think is not fact
And why is it non-canon? I didn't saw a what if logo on it.

In this topic it is.

Rulk and Domino isn't canon, iirc.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And why is it non-canon? I didn't saw a what if logo on it.

In this topic it is.

it's not cannon..PR confirm it..and if u actually read it..u would know..so let it go..now..back to the example..do u have any other??

sure bro..whatever makes u happy

Originally posted by abhilegend
Learn grampa, learn
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Expy

=/= means not equal to, silly.

Because those were the traits superman possesed in beginning and was the first to come in the medium. Hulk wasn't the first brick type character, what made him hulk was his most notable "madder, stronger" dynamic. If we're trying to say if Luke cage is an expy of hulk, it'd be wrong because hulk as a simple brick is an expy himself.

Definitely. Being a template doesn't mean its not an archtype. Fun facttan lee used golden age superman as a template for spidey hence the daily bugle/daily star, red-blue dress and many things like these are similar to both of them.


Hey hey hey!.. I'm not that old lol.

Nope. By your standard Supes was merely the first brick since he initially did not fly. He was strong, very durable and could jump far distances. Flight didn't officially come until later.

Namor was super strong, durable and could fly from the very beginning. So by your standard, Superman is a Namor archetype

Originally posted by -Pr-
Rulk and Domino isn't canon, iirc.
There is no indication of that. It was a joke fight but its perfectly canon. Alonso himself edited it.Originally posted by Slaanesh
it's not cannon..PR confirm it..and if u actually read it..u would know..so let it go..now..back to the example..do u have any other??

sure bro..whatever makes u happy
Pr just gave his opinion. Worthy thing destroying him completely, his humiliating beatdown in "Hulk of Arabia" etc.

Meh.

Rulk is a joke now. The only thing saving him here is the full capacity rule which saves him somewhat from the horrible jobbing that he's been reduced to in the comic material.

Originally posted by dmills
Hey hey hey!.. I'm not that old lol. Even older? Sorry Great-grampa.


Yep, its complicated but generally flight is considered an integral part of superman archtype from beginning.

Namor came one year later.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even older? Sorry Great-grampa.


Yep, its complicated but generally flight is considered an integral part of superman archtype from beginning.

Namor came one year later.

LOL.

Alright buddy I'm out for the evening. Have a good day bro.

Originally posted by dmills
Rulk is a joke now. The only thing saving him here is the full capacity rule which saves him somewhat from the horrible jobbing that he's been reduced to in the comic material.
Yep. Jeph loeb is cursing somewhere.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There is no indication of that. It was a joke fight but its perfectly canon. Alonso himself edited it.
Pr just gave his opinion. Worthy thing destroying him completely, his humiliating beatdown in "Hulk of Arabia" etc.

Meh.

If it's canon, then it's a low showing and unusable. So either way.

Originally posted by dmills
LOL.

Alright buddy I'm out for the evening. Have a good day bro.
Sweet dreams bro and good night.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If it's canon, then it's a low showing and unusable. So either way.
I was merely using it to show how much rulk jobs now.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There is no indication of that. It was a joke fight but its perfectly canon. Alonso himself edited it.
Pr just gave his opinion. Worthy thing destroying him completely, his humiliating beatdown in "Hulk of Arabia" etc.

Meh.

it was a joke..u wanna use a joke as proof??great strategy u got there..and worthy Thing isn't just anybody..it's an upgraded version of Thing..and the beatdown by Sultan Magus..u should read it..Sultan Magus is insanely powerful..he's not just anybody also..come on dude..u can do better that that..u must have plenty of example of Rulk getting own by not so great people..u seems confident when u say Rulk is getting own all the time by anyone..

So which AvX fights were and weren't canon?

Originally posted by Slaanesh
it was a joke..u wanna use a joke as proof?? Its perfectly canon. Who cares if its a joke fight? Either prove its noncanon or shut up. Who had troubles with spidey and oneshot killed by thor when he got serious. Doesn't mean he has to completely humiliate him. Rulk was just a punching bag there. That's what we call jobbing just like recent thor. I've other examples but those are suffice.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So which AvX fights were and weren't canon?

A good portion of AVX 6, which is incidentally where the fight between Rulk and Domino took place.

Originally posted by dmills
Rulk is a joke now. The only thing saving him here is the full capacity rule which saves him somewhat from the horrible jobbing that he's been reduced to in the comic material.

Rulk have good showings in between this.

Originally posted by carver9
Rulk have good showings in between this.

But would we take the average showings?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But would we take the average showings?

His average is pretty high. It's his lows that are just jacked up but it isn't as bad as people are trying to make it. Not like he is losing to Thing or Spiderman.

Carver your sig and Avi distresses me.

Bring the classic back:http://images.killermovies.com/forums/avatars/movie_x-men_wolverine_2.gif

Originally posted by -Pr-
A good portion of AVX 6, which is incidentally where the fight between Rulk and Domino took place.

Originally posted by carver9
His average is pretty high. It's his lows that are just jacked up but it isn't as bad as people are trying to make it. Not like he is losing to Thing or Spiderman.
Its just wolverine and punisher.313

BTW its not losing that made rulk a jobber, its the manner of losing. When he loses, its a complete curbstomp and when he gets a good showing, there are circumstances to factor in.

Originally posted by carver9
His average is pretty high. It's his lows that are just jacked up but it isn't as bad as people are trying to make it. Not like he is losing to Thing or Spiderman.

It's high, but it's not top tier herald high.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its just wolverine and punisher.313

BTW its not losing that made rulk a jobber, its the manner of losing. When he loses, its a complete curbstomp and when he gets a good showing, there are circumstances to factor in.


When did he lose to punisher? I don't count Wolverine because Wolverine vs top tiers doesn't end to well for the top tier. Wolverine has damaged some of the most powerful beings in MU, so I wouldn't consider that a low showing at all.

I'm trying to figure out what showings you are talking about. The only one that comes to mind is his showing against the mole men and that happened because he underestimated them. His showing against Wonderman isn't as bad as people are making it since Wonderman recently has been operating at insane levels.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's high, but it's not top tier herald high.

I agree.

How about the Mayan gods' showings?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its perfectly canon. Who cares if its a joke fight? Either prove its noncanon or shut up. Who had troubles with spidey and oneshot killed by thor when he got serious. Doesn't mean he has to completely humiliate him. Rulk was just a punching bag there. That's what we call jobbing just like recent thor. I've other examples but those are suffice.

a joke is a joke..u resorting to joke instance is really not great for u..

Thing didn't have any trouble with Spidey..Spidey actually died a moment..Thing didn't even bother to finish the fight and just left..and the Thor thing..that just prove how powerful Mjolnir is..

it's perfectly reasonable that Rulk got own by Sultan Magus..he even turn off Skaar power..the guy is really powerful..getting your ass handed to u by someone way more powerful is not jobbing..

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How about the Mayan gods' showings?


Are you talking about the gods that fears him and have basically been using plot and his friends against him? The same gods that we have no idea where their PL is at.? Gotcha.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
a joke is a joke..u resorting to joke instance is really not great for u..

Thing didn't have any trouble with Spidey..Spidey actually died a moment..Thing didn't even bother to finish the fight and just left..and the Thor thing..that just prove how powerful Mjolnir is..

it's perfectly reasonable that Rulk got own by Sultan Magus..he even turn off Skaar power..the guy is really powerful..getting your ass handed to u by someone way more powerful is not jobbing..
If its canon, its canon. No ifs/buts.

Spidey doing better than rulk isn't jobbing on rulk's part? Wow!

Really? He's almost as powerful as surfer who forcibly ripped oldpower from an amped skaar. That's versatility btw, not indication of power.

Its not his losing that makes him a jobber, its the manner of his losses. He gets completely annihilated whenever he loses and that shouldn't happen to powerful characters.

Originally posted by carver9
Are you talking about the gods that fears him and have basically been using plot and his friends against him? The same gods that we have no idea where their PL is at.? Gotcha.

Yeah, those...where do you see those showings?

Lol, you do get wound up pretty easily....it was a serious question from me!

Originally posted by carver9
When did he lose to punisher? I don't count Wolverine because Wolverine vs top tiers doesn't end to well for the top tier. Wolverine has damaged some of the most powerful beings in MU, so I wouldn't consider that a low showing at all.

I'm trying to figure out what showings you are talking about. The only one that comes to mind is his showing against the mole men and that happened because he underestimated them. His showing against Wonderman isn't as bad as people are making it since Wonderman recently has been operating at insane levels.
Punisher made him bleed like a ***** by just a knife.

That's not happens against top tiers vs wolverine, he gets some licks but they usually beat him down.

Ah, the mole men fight.

Thor would beat him down again, just wait and see. Simon is a jobber too.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, those...where do you see those showings?

Lol, you do get wound up pretty easily....it was a serious question from me!


Lol...I'm not wound up...lol. I'm using that "come at me bro" debating style.

Why must you fight with me so? We share a common hero!

Is it because you like Gladiator more? Hussy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
If its canon, its canon. No ifs/buts.

Spidey doing better than rulk isn't jobbing on rulk's part? Wow!

Really? He's almost as powerful as surfer who forcibly ripped oldpower from an amped skaar. That's versatility btw, not indication of power.

Its not his losing that makes him a jobber, its the manner of his losses. He gets completely annihilated whenever he loses and that shouldn't happen to powerful characters.

lol..fine dude..use that AVX if u like..

Spidey didn't do better..if he had taken the punishment Rulk endure..he would have died..how the hell did u think Spidey did better??did u even read it..

Sultan Magus is a new character..he didn't have many feat yet..him beating Rulk,Luke Cage and Skaar should prove how powerful he is..

Supes got oneshoted by Hellspot recently..i guess Supes isn't really that powerful rite..that's a more humiliating defeat than Rulk fight with Sultan Magus..

Stop lowballing, guys.

Originally posted by Slaanesh
lol..fine dude..use that AVX if u like..

Spidey didn't do better..if he had taken the punishment Rulk endure..he would have died..how the hell did u think Spidey did better??did u even read it..

Sultan Magus is a new character..he didn't have many feat yet..him beating Rulk,Luke Cage and Skaar should prove how powerful he is..

Supes got oneshoted by Hellspot recently..i guess Supes isn't really that powerful rite..that's a more humiliating defeat than Rulk fight with Sultan Magus..
Ok, your highness.

Yeah, I did and he wasn't humiliated like rulk was in his own book.

Yeah, luke cage and skaar. How great a team! Like I said its not his beatings, its the manner of his beatings that makes him a jobber. Nobody gets regularly destroyed by random new villains in his own book. That's hardcore jobbing.

Under the same writer superman bench pressed earth for 5 days. What has rulk done as of late that is remotely impressive?

Its clear that you're arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm done with this thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Punisher made him bleed like a ***** by just a knife.

That's not happens against top tiers vs wolverine, he gets some licks but they usually beat him down.

Ah, the mole men fight.

Thor would beat him down again, just wait and see. Simon is a jobber too.

His durability against sharpnel sucks. I don't have any issues with Wolverine cutting Rulk, Thanos, Thor, Gladiator, WWH, etc, etc...its common for the character to slice and dice anything that comes his way.

When did Thor beat a Rulk that"was fighting back" down? I don't think you are reading the comics you bring up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, your highness.

Yeah, I did and he wasn't humiliated like rulk was in his own book.

Yeah, luke cage and skaar. How great a team! Like I said its not his beatings, its the manner of his beatings that makes him a jobber. Nobody gets regularly destroyed by random new villains in his own book. That's hardcore jobbing.

Under the same writer superman bench pressed earth for 5 days. What has rulk done as of late that is remotely impressive?

Its clear that you're arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm done with this thread.

obviously you didn't..cuz if u did..u would know Rulk fight is way more impressive than Spidey..

who cares..he got oneshoted by a random new villain..just like Rulk got humiliated by random new villain..it's the same thing..u just chose to ignore it cuz it's Supes..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, your highness.

Yeah, I did and he wasn't humiliated like rulk was in his own book.

Yeah, luke cage and skaar. How great a team! Like I said its not his beatings, its the manner of his beatings that makes him a jobber. Nobody gets regularly destroyed by random new villains in his own book. That's hardcore jobbing.

Under the same writer superman bench pressed earth for 5 days. What has rulk done as of late that is remotely impressive?

Its clear that you're arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm done with this thread.

Superman has also been getting koed and defeated left and right...can't think of a clean victory for the character. Hell, the one victory I can think of, he got koed from the side affect of his victor. Hell, he just got choked to sleep in mid flight...defeated by cheetah, 3 punched koed by a unknown lady that left his body dangling on a fire hydrant. His showings is a lot worse than Rulk.

Originally posted by carver9
His durability against sharpnel sucks. I don't have any issues with Wolverine cutting Rulk, Thanos, Thor, Gladiator, WWH, etc, etc...its common for the character to slice and dice anything that comes his way.

When did Thor beat a Rulk that"was fighting back" down? I don't think you are reading the comics you bring up.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman has also been getting koed and defeated left and right...can't think of a clean victory for the character. Hell, the one victory I can think of, he got koed from the side affect of his victor. Hell, he just got choked to sleep in mid flight...defeated by cheetah, 3 punched koed by a unknown lady that left his body dangling on a fire hydrant. His showings is a lot worse than Rulk.
Jurgens writes a very low level superman in general, he was the guy who wrote the gas station scene. Cheetah used magic and helspont is pushed as a major villain. Who choked him out in mid flight? I don't think you know what are you talking about.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I dont get it.

Superman can beat this team but in my thread black adam cannot beat a team of Blue Marvel & Sentry

different team, plus it supes>BA

Carver and Abhi, any more lowballing and you're getting warned. Simple as that.

I'm done with this thread already.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm done with this thread already.
No ure not.

LoL Supes getting choked out

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why must you fight with me so? We share a common hero!

Is it because you like Gladiator more? Hussy.

Lol...its you. When I see you post, its almost 100% I am responding to whatever you got to say.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...its you. When I see you post, its almost 100% I am responding to whatever you got to say.

Scarlet Jezebel.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I dont get it.

Superman can beat this team but in my thread black adam cannot beat a team of Blue Marvel & Sentry