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Is there any single high herald capable of beating the following team under their own power?

Magneto
Loki (pre-Siege)
Dr. Doom

Probably Surfer.

I highly doubt that, tbh. I don't think Superman or Thor could, either.

Honest question. Has Surfer been koed since his rebirth? I can't remember a single instance of him being dropped and this includes his fights against abstracts.

Idk. I think he's been beaten or taken out in the pages of The Defenders, but I could be wrong.

He has been beaten in the defenders but mainly due to plot. I don't think this team has what it takes to drop current Surfer. That was the reason I asked. Magneto might be a problem because I don't know if he could manipulate Surfer. He should be able too since he did control a Celestial without any issues.

facepalm @carvlogic. However if you really want to know, skuttlebutt flash koed surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm @carvlogic. However if you really want to know, skuttlebutt flash koed surfer.

Lol at abhi every attempt at low balling Surfer.

Scans of Skuttlebucket koing Surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm @carvlogic. However if you really want to know, skuttlebutt flash koed surfer.


really........not saying i dont believe u...i just dont well believe u

I dont think any high herald in a standard fight would win actually. And it probably wouldn't be all that close either, seeing ad anyone of those guys should be capable of putting up a hell of a fight on their own.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Is there any single high herald capable of beating the following team under their own power?

Magneto
Loki (pre-Siege)
Dr. Doom

Depends on what you mean "their own power".

Black Alice or Duplicate Boy if your definition is being vague.

Wundarr the Aquarian.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol at abhi every attempt at low balling Surfer.

Scans of Skuttlebucket koing Surfer.
Don't act like you know what I am talking about.Originally posted by Sin I AM
really........not saying i dont believe u...i just dont well believe u
Nice contradiction there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't act like you know what I am talking about.
Nice contradiction there.

I know that you enjoy lowballing Surfer and we both know why you like lowballing him. Scans of the ko please.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nice contradiction there.


when did it happen abhi?

No High Herald can beat this team solo.

Anyone who can would no longer count as a Herald but would be a Trans. Loki's more powerful than most Heralds, Magneto's is up there with some of the best and Doom with his recent upgrade is a solid low/mid Herald power wise with magic/technology/intelligence making him a formidable opponent for all Heralds in a fight.

classic juggernaut potentially could...but he's not smart enough

Juggernaut would actually have to beat them, though.

Given the range and mobility of all of them as well as their BFR capabilities, I don't see how Cain could ever begin to hope to beat them.

Magician can beat them (from Ultimate Xmen).

No brick, no matter how strong can beat this team unless they're ridiculously powerful or at least have sort of teleporting ability. By strong I mean, being teleported to some hell hole on the other-side of the Multiverse or through time and being able to punch their way back.

Juggernaut doesn't fit the fit the bill. Not that they would need battle field removal. Finding hard to imagine how he'd go about beating this team.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No brick, no matter how strong can beat this team unless they're ridiculously powerful or at least have sort of teleporting ability. By strong I mean, being teleported to some hell hole on the other-side of the Multiverse or through time and being able to punch their way back.

Juggernaut doesn't fit the fit the bill. Not that they would need battle field removal. Finding hard to imagine how he'd go about beating this team.


magic based brick?

Amazo

Originally posted by Odekahn
Amazo

He falls under the same category of characters that fights with other people's powers.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Depends on what you mean "their own power".

Black Alice or Duplicate Boy if your definition is being vague.

Wundarr the Aquarian.

Originally posted by carver9
Honest question. Has Surfer been koed since his rebirth? I can't remember a single instance of him being dropped and this includes his fights against abstracts.

He screamed really loud from the fear of falling after Mar-Vell blasted his board.

Genis Vell or Sentry

Originally posted by dmills
He screamed really loud from the fear of falling after Mar-Vell blasted his board.



Really?

Originally posted by carver9


Really?

Nah, I was just being facetious. Some of his fans think that Mar-Vell's blast didn't do anything to Norrin except break his board so I always joke about it.


Originally posted by Sin I AM
really........not saying i dont believe u...i just dont well believe u

http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t413/mdmills/3544346_o.gif

Love that new sig Sin

Originally posted by carver9
I know that you enjoy lowballing Surfer and we both know why you like lowballing him. Scans of the ko please.
Lulz.Originally posted by Sin I AM
when did it happen abhi?
After his famous fight with BRB. He was also forced to retreat by a random alien armada.

Here is the scan btw

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt25.jpg

And here's the next page: http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt26.jpg

Black Bolt if his scream catches them off guard.

Originally posted by vince_slice
And here's the next page: http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt26.jpg


I said "flash ko", hence surfer falling from the board. He recovered after that.

Originally posted by dmills
Nah, I was just being facetious. Some of his fans think that Mar-Vell's blast didn't do anything to Norrin except break his board so I always joke about it.




http://i1058.photobucket.com/albums/t413/mdmills/3544346_o.gif

Love that new sig Sin

Props to scythe

And thanks abhi

Zoom

Originally posted by Odekahn
Zoom

Trans

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Trans
No.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No.

Yes and yes

Zoom is a high herald. A very high herald, but a herald nonetheless.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Zoom is a high herald. A very high herald, but a herald nonetheless.

semantics..he will beat them though

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yes and yes
Name one feat that puts him in the trans category. Now I can pick half dozen showings that puts him in mid herald category. Zoom suffered from Johns' first showing syndrome, he has done nothing impressive since then.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
semantics..he will beat them though
Name one high herald he's beaten.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I said "flash ko", hence surfer falling from the board. He recovered after that.
What is a "flash KO" exactly? A KO that lasts 2 seconds?

Originally posted by vince_slice
What is a "flash KO" exactly? A KO that lasts 2 seconds?
Enough time for BRB to reach near another planet with skuttlebutt.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Name one high herald he's beaten.

Look at his respect thread

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Look at his respect thread
I don't have to. I know nearly everything he's done.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Enough time for BRB to reach near another planet with skuttlebutt. http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt26.jpg

Look again, Surfer was already up and chasing Bill before they reach the planet.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
semantics..he will beat them though

It's not semantics if it's an entirely different tier.

Originally posted by vince_slice
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt26.jpg

Look again, Surfer was already up and chasing Bill before they reach the planet.
He was chasing them so fast that he was still in the same area where bill and he fought and skuttlebutt placed mines. What a speed!
Although he recovered fast, I wouldn't call it a recovery in seconds.

The next few pages were even more humiliating for surfer though, forced to retreat from a random alien armada and all that. Classic surfer would've blinked and destroyed them.

Originally posted by -Pr-
It's not semantics if it's an entirely different tier.

I love it when we play cat and mouse

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was chasing them so fast that he was still in the same area where bill and he fought and skuttlebutt placed mines. What a speed!
Although he recovered fast, I wouldn't call it a recovery in seconds.

The next few pages were even more humiliating for surfer though, forced to retreat from a random alien armada and all that. Classic surfer would've blinked and destroyed them.
Surfer was up in a couple of panels and chasing Skuttlebutt. Bill even questions whether Surfer will beat them to the planet, and on top of that Skuttlebutt, released mines just to slow Surfer down. If Surfer was KO'd, then that's the shortest KO in comic history. Or, he was just momentarily stunned.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I love it when we play cat and mouse

Who are the characters in your sig?

Originally posted by vince_slice
Surfer was up in a couple of panels and chasing Skuttlebutt. Bill even questions whether Surfer will beat them to the planet, and on top of that Skuttlebutt, released mines just to slow Surfer down. If Surfer was KO'd, then that's the shortest KO in comic history. Or, he was just momentarily stunned.
Number of panels are meaningless.

He was up and starting to chase them, and his travel speed is beyond skuttlebutt's. That's how he caught up on skuttlebutt in the first place. 'Butt released the mines in that area where bill and surfer fought, not in the vicinity of the planet.

He was visibly koed, for a short time but koed nonetheless.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Who are the characters in your sig?

Cassie hack and witchblade

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cassie hack and witchblade

Oh, okay. Thanks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Number of panels are meaningless.

He was up and starting to chase them, and his travel speed is beyond skuttlebutt's. That's how he caught up on skuttlebutt in the first place. 'Butt released the mines in that area where bill and surfer fought, not in the vicinity of the planet.

He was visibly koed, for a short time but koed nonetheless.
They're not meaningless at all, especially given what actually happened between those panels. Surfer was up and chasing them a couple of panels later. Judging by what happened within those panels, Surfer was up right away.

Yeah Skuttlebutt released those mines to slow Surfer down, but if you look at the scan, you see Surfer Dodging them, and shown right behind Skuttlebutt before they reached the planet. Then the next panel says "scant minutes later" and shows them both (Surfer and BRB + Skuttle) reaching the planet.

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt25.jpg
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt26.jpg

When read in its full context, this doesn't look like a KO to me at all. KO's last longer than a couple of panels. And those panels were at best no more than 10 seconds long, because all they were was Bill and Skuttlebutt having a short convo about how they can slow Surfer down. And before they know it, he's literally right behind them.

Why can't we all just get along?

Cyborg Superman he could hack any tech has superhuman speed Superman level strength. Morg with Power Cosmic and WOL

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here is the scan btw

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt25.jpg

Lol...that's not a flash no.

Originally posted by vince_slice
They're not meaningless at all, especially given what actually happened between those panels. Surfer was up and chasing them a couple of panels later. Judging by what happened within those panels, Surfer was up right away. No. He was up and trying to chase them after they were gone. Later surfer was attacked by an alien armada on the same area.

He wasn't right behind skuttlebutt, not even close. Surfer was still in that area when that armada forced him to retreat.

Its a ko. What an astounding argument. Welcome to h1a8's world. That however wouldn't work in real world.

Originally posted by golem370
Cyborg Superman he could hack any tech has superhuman speed Superman level strength. Morg with Power Cosmic and WOL Doom could just ditch his suit and use magic.

Wasn't Morg above herald with WOL?

High Herald imo

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that's not a flash no.
You're right, that's not flash. That's silver surfer.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No. He was up and trying to chase them after they were gone. Later surfer was attacked by an alien armada on the same area.

He wasn't right behind skuttlebutt, not even close. Surfer was still in that area when that armada forced him to retreat.

Its a ko. What an astounding argument. Welcome to h1a8's world. That however wouldn't work in real world.

Yes Surfer was right behind Skuttlebutt, in fact he was right behind him after he released the mines.

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/skuttlebutt26.jpg

Look at the 3rd panel. You see Surfer dodging the exploding mines, literally right behind Skuttlebutt. This panel was before they reached the planet.

In case you miss the obvious in the above scan, here's a closeup.

http://i50.tinypic.com/301n1aq.png

^ You're telling me that this scan doesn't show Surfer right behind Skuttlebutt?

So... Zoom wins?

No.

Weighing in on the Surfer KOed by Skuttlebutts weapons discussion, count me in for those who believe he was not so, pretty clearly proven by the following panels. Knocked off his board, sure, hurt some, Im sure, but KOed, not even close (unless it was for a millisecond, which doesnt count as close to a KO in my book).

Originally posted by DTM
Weighing in on the Surfer KOed by Skuttlebutts weapons discussion, count me in for those who believe he was not so, pretty clearly proven by the following panels. Knocked off his board, sure, hurt some, Im sure, but KOed, not even close (unless it was for a millisecond, which doesnt count as close to a KO in my book).

I agree...that's ABHI lowballing Surfer like he tends to do. Anybody with 20/20 vision can tell Surfer wasn't koed in those scans.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Yes Surfer was right behind Skuttlebutt, in fact he was right behind him after he released the mines.
I never said he wasn't. He didn't reached the planet alongside bill though. In fact the mines slowed him down considerably. That's why I called it a flash ko, surfer was visibly koed but up soon and trying to chase bill.

I was mistaken when I said bill and skuttlebutt were gone when surfer hit the mines. Still it was a ko, flash or otherwise.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree...that's ABHI lowballing Surfer like he tends to do. Anybody with 20/20 vision can tell Surfer wasn't koed in those scans.

Concede and admit that you were wrong. It's nothing wrong in admitting you made a mistake.

Originally posted by carver9
Concede and admit that you were wrong. It's nothing wrong in admitting you made a mistake. Originally posted by abhilegend

Originally posted by carver9
I agree...that's ABHI lowballing Surfer like he tends to do. Anybody with 20/20 vision can tell Surfer wasn't koed in those scans.

lol, irony.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol, irony.

Not Irony...the truth.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I never said he wasn't.
Yeah you did:

Originally posted by abhilegend


He wasn't right behind skuttlebutt, not even close. Surfer was still in that area when that armada forced him to retreat.



^ Sound familiar? The scan I showed disproved your claim.



When looking at the evidence, and what happened on panel, it doesn't look like a KO at all. He was stunned at best, but not KO'd. Like I said, Surfer got back up quickly and was right behind Skuttlebutt (as shown on panel). Yeah the mines slowed him down, yet the panel I showed depicts Surfer being right behind Skuttlebutt despite the mines.


I don't think its a KO at all. KO's are suppose to last decently long. You have no evidence to suggest Surfer was KO'd for a decent amount of time to constitute a KO. All the evidence points to the opposite.

So, since Vince proved my statement as being legit...Surfer hasn't been koed since his rebirth. Thanks for the scans Vince.

Surfer definitely could (depending on how serious he is).

Hulk would annihilate them but he'd probably be beyond "herald class" at that point.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Yeah you did:



^ Sound familiar? The scan I showed disproved your claim. I accepted he was up and trying to chase them. He didn't arrive at the planet with them though.



Being stunned doesn't make one fall like that. Ok. Yet even after minutes passed he wasn't anywhere close to skuttlebutt like you claimed when they reached the planet.


Keep believing that. Not a flash ko like superman punching WW from sun to earth. I never said he was properly koed. That's not my point from beginning.

First of all Surfer was flashed koed, not debateable.
Second, who cares? Surfer has endured astronomically more than that without being koed. So that one showing doesn't even contribute 1% of the average of Surfer's durability.

A member controlled Surfer (or CIS off Surfer) would definitely beat that team.
But Surfer in character most likely wouldn't beat that team, at least for a majority.

Zoom or Flash fighting at their best could definitely beat the team. IMO Zoom is trans. Flash is bordering on trans, if he's not trans already. Superman is very high herald and so is Surfer, yet Zoom could beat either of them.

We need well defined definitions of the tiers (especially the trans tier). My definition for the minimum of a trans is someone who can beat over 99% of all high herald level characters in a 1 on 1 situation the majority of the time OR at least split even with most combinations of 2 high herald level characters when fighting 2 on 1 the majority of the time.

Originally posted by carver9
So, since Vince proved my statement as being legit...Surfer hasn't been koed since his rebirth. Thanks for the scans Vince.
Quite an ego there carv. Rest assured surfer is still the same he was before annihilation, his showings are still as inconsistent as ever (Hello attuma) and he certainly isn't beating this team.

I love the notion of a Flash KO. What is that, when youred stunned by a hit while in the midst of blinking, therefore youre flash KOed for the millisecond it takes to open your eyes again? Really, a KO is a Knock Out, being knocked unconscious for a half a second isnt a knock out, its a stun, at best (and in those scans, its not even shown that Surfer was KOed for even a half-second anyway).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Quite an ego there carv. Rest assured surfer is still the same he was before annihilation, his showings are still as inconsistent as ever (Hello attuma) and he certainly isn't beating this team.

How is Surfer being thrown around by Attuma a low showing for him when Attuma was amped.?

I can see it as a flash ko. He was limp floating for a few moments. I wouldn't be against anyone who disagreed with it really though.

Why is this thread about Silver Surfer being koed

Originally posted by golem370
Why is this thread about Silver Surfer being koed
Thor fans and Superman fans desperate to low ball Surfer.

Would you expect any better from them?

......I make one (open minded) post and I'm lowballing lol.

Originally posted by carver9
How is Surfer being thrown around by Attuma a low showing for him when Attuma was amped.?
Namor looked better than him.

Originally posted by Damborgson
......I make one (open minded) post and I'm lowballing lol.
Its janus. He would claim odin koing surfer is lowballing.

Originally posted by DTM
I love the notion of a Flash KO. What is that, when youred stunned by a hit while in the midst of blinking, therefore youre flash KOed for the millisecond it takes to open your eyes again? Really, a KO is a Knock Out, being knocked unconscious for a half a second isnt a knock out, its a stun, at best (and in those scans, its not even shown that Surfer was KOed for even a half-second anyway).
And where did you pull that millisecond from?

Originally posted by carver9
Not Irony...the truth.

You're as bad as he is. shrug

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its janus. He would claim odin koing surfer is lowballing.
it definitely would be.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its janus. He would claim odin koing surfer is lowballing.

Well he is a Hulk fan. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/vin.gif guess he can't help it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And where did you pull that millisecond from?
same stinky hole you pulled the "flash KO" from.

you have an awful lot of ...it inside of that head of yours.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Well he is a Hulk fan. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/vin.gif guess he can't help it.
see, given the frequency with which Thor is KOed, you should have an intimate knowledge of what a KO looks like.

I mean Hulk alone has given you what 3-4 examples of KOing Thor, this past year?

Originally posted by abhilegend
And where did you pull that millisecond from?

Probably from the same place that you got that Surfer was KOed at all from those scans, my mind.

Originally posted by janus77
see, given the frequency with which Thor is KOed, you should have an intimate knowledge of what a KO looks like.

I mean Hulk alone has given you what 3-4 examples of KOing Thor, this past year?

Sad that even with that many KO's he's still the superior of the two hee hee.

1 actually lol. Keep dreaming though.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Sad that even with that many KO's he's still the superior of the two hee hee.

1 actually lol. Keep dreaming though.
I guess those blows to the head have affected Thor's fans as much as Thor.

There's a line beyond which character identification becomes very unhealthy ...

Originally posted by janus77
I guess those blows to the head have affected Thor's fans as much as Thor.

There's a line beyond which character identification becomes very unhealthy ...

He didn't let those blows to the head stop him from KO'ing an abstract.

Acknowledging that one character is > another is simply stating the facts. Unhealthy is over-hyping a character so much that you starts to believe your own lies.

Originally posted by DTM
Probably from the same place that you got that Surfer was KOed at all from those scans, my mind.
Except surfer was seen falling from his board totally limp. That's when you're knocked out.

Originally posted by DTM
I love the notion of a Flash KO. What is that, when youred stunned by a hit while in the midst of blinking, therefore youre flash KOed for the millisecond it takes to open your eyes again? Really, a KO is a Knock Out, being knocked unconscious for a half a second isnt a knock out, its a stun, at best (and in those scans, its not even shown that Surfer was KOed for even a half-second anyway).
Yeah I agree, I don't even understand what a "flash knockout" is exactly. No one even bothered elaborating. Its apparently a knock out, but not really. Obviously there's a massive difference between being "knocked out" versus being "flash knocked out." Surfer was no where near being knocked out in the traditional sense. But, apparently if you're knocked off your board from a surprise attack, but you recover half a moment later, you're still considered knocked out. Makes no sense to me.

Lmfao!!!! This thread has turned into pure gold!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its janus. He would claim odin koing surfer is lowballing. Originally posted by Damborgson
Well he is a Hulk fan. http://images.killermovies.com/forums/customsmilies/vin.gif guess he can't help it. Originally posted by janus77
see, given the frequency with which Thor is KOed, you should have an intimate knowledge of what a KO looks like.

I mean Hulk alone has given you what 3-4 examples of KOing Thor, this past year? Originally posted by Damborgson
Sad that even with that many KO's he's still the superior of the two hee hee.

1 actually lol. Keep dreaming though. Originally posted by janus77
I guess those blows to the head have affected Thor's fans as much as Thor.

There's a line beyond which character identification becomes very unhealthy ... Originally posted by Damborgson
He didn't let those blows to the head stop him from KO'ing an abstract.

Acknowledging that one character is > another is simply stating the facts. Unhealthy is over-hyping a character so much that you starts to believe your own lies.


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Guys, back on topic.

Christ. facepalm

Void influenced Sentry (early Siege)
Professor X
Adam Warlock w/ Soul Gem

A competent rider would stomp

If all the butthurt is to believed, FP Kuurth is "only a herald who only fought metas." He could win, y'know, seein as how he clearly isnt anything more than a herald who no-sold Magneto utterly and is completely immune to mind-phuckery and BFR.

Originally posted by ODG
If all the butthurt is to believed, FP Kuurth is "only a herald who only fought metas." He could win, y'know, seein as how he clearly isnt anything more than a herald who no-sold Magneto utterly and is completely immune to mind-phuckery and BFR.

FP Kuurth is more the Herald level. Hell, even while depowered, he was still crushing Colossonaut bones with single hits, something that Rulk and Thing combined was unable to do. So yeah, anyone believing him being nothing but a Herald is fooling themselves.

There were also people who claimed skyfathers and Galactus couldn't scratch Kuurth. I remember someone claiming you'd need something akin to the power of 20 god blasts to begin to scratch him. lol

I don't think any High Herald could pull out a majority against these three working in unison.

Originally posted by dmills
http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/rolling.gif

I let my inner toll out from time to time
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Christ. facepalm
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9g4mxiPdP1rc29jgo1_500.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, back on topic.
k

Originally posted by vince_slice
There were also people who claimed skyfathers and Galactus couldn't scratch Kuurth. I remember someone claiming you'd need something akin to the power of 20 god blasts to begin to scratch him. lol

They can't harm him directly, not even close. They need to remove some or all of his enchantment to do so. If you can barely feel an attack then obviously an attack more than 20x greater is needed just to begin to damage you. Think about it.