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Flash, pre reboot, Wally West, with CIS off.

vs

WWH
She Hulk
Red She Hulk
Current Red Hulk
Skaar
Hulkling
She Hulk
Korg
Doc Samson

Fight in closed indestructible arena the size of 10 football fields.

in an enclosed area 1000 yards long? wwh alone

Wally West wins twice

Hulk solos unless Flash insta-bfr him

In a comic, Hulk would win. Without PIS, Flash solos.

how would flash win? hulk just crushes him

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
how would flash win? hulk just crushes him You do realize pre-reboot Flash at his top supposedly hits about as hard as superman and is a lot faster right. Also Wally PIS CIS off using the easiest way to disable team hulk speed steals them all and then the hulks never even get to thunderclap aoe him to death.

Originally posted by Uriel005
You do realize pre-reboot Flash at his top supposedly hits about as hard as superman and is a lot faster right. Also Wally PIS CIS off using the easiest way to disable team hulk speed steals them all and then the hulks never even get to thunderclap aoe him to death.

wwh would break him in half he'd never be able to do enough damage to hulk he'd constantly just piss him off and in an enclosed area best of luck to ya

t hulk ftw

Originally posted by guy222
t hulk ftw and what stops a speed steal.

How many times has Flash stole anyone speed "in a fight".?

flash steal speed? naw thats wonder woman...P.S. Thunderclap or ear splitting rage roar causes Flash to forfeit...if not shockwaves from the Hulk hitting the ground hard enough will trip him causing he's head to smack agaisnt the arena sides...if the Hulk doesn't hit him with his reflexes.

If flash is able to down hulk he can win. And if he can do something to turn hulks brain to mush, that might be able to do the trick. Maybe vibrate hulks brain so hard the friction melts his brain.

CIS off is the key here.

BFR into the Speed Force.

Originally posted by Villelater
flash steal speed? naw thats wonder woman...P.S. Thunderclap or ear splitting rage roar causes Flash to forfeit...if not shockwaves from the Hulk hitting the ground hard enough will trip him causing he's head to smack agaisnt the arena sides...if the Hulk doesn't hit him with his reflexes.

Good thing Flash runs faster than sound, and shockwaves...

Can someone show me flash lifting up almost a ton and bfring it. Can someone show me the most durable person flash punched to sleep. Scans.

Originally posted by carver9
How many times has Flash stole anyone speed "in a fight".?

756 times.

LOL im starting to like this carver guy so many people r just dc fanboys and think no one in marvel can touch them its funny hulk owns this fight by himself gg though

Hulk would be street level if he went to dc.

LOL i like this golgo13 guy your a new personal favorite on the threads now funny how hulk would destroy the mightiest of dc heros but hes street lvl

Originally posted by carver9
Can someone show me flash lifting up almost a ton and bfring it. Can someone show me the most durable person flash punched to sleep. Scans.

We will, when you show Hulk reacting to someone going full out, CISless and PISless speedwise.

When flash was going all out, not even pc heroes werw able to detecy him. And he lent them speed. That is speed baby.

hes no doubt speedy but he cant even come close to scratching hulk and on top of which hulk is just gonna b smashing ground tripping him up and if he trips up for a second hulk even gets a finger on him he breaks flash sorry dc fans

Flash can, and has, stolen speed, bfr'd in to the speed force, used IMPs, and vibrated through attacks. The arena being indestructible actually helps him more than it does the Hulks.

That said, unless Flash is operating at his best, the Hulks win. Flash using his intelligence? Flash.

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
hes no doubt speedy but he cant even come close to scratching hulk and on top of which hulk is just gonna b smashing ground tripping him up and if he trips up for a second hulk even gets a finger on him he breaks flash sorry dc fans

How fast do you think an all-out Flash is, yaadeveyaa?

Originally posted by carver9
How many times has Flash stole anyone speed "in a fight".?

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/FlashvsAmazo3.jpg

So there is no proof that Flash can bfr Hulk?

Originally posted by carver9
So there is no proof that Flash can bfr Hulk?

As in, you're saying he can't lift, brah?

Am looking through to see the heaviest object he's picked up in his slipstream. Not physically grabbing, because the only concrete example was 800lbs, but he usually picks stuff up as he runs past in his slipstream.

the hulks brain is too well protected to be turned to mush...in fact flash probably never done that...and the flash is human not a robot...indestructible field can't help the flash if he goes flying through the air...oh and Hulk has super regeneration so if somehow he passes through him i doubt it will do anything and i the vision has tried that...oh and what if the flash gets radiation poisening? and what speed is there steal? Hulk's speed is not magical...also wouldn't speed sithering be bad because of the Hulks immune system would return stolen energy...

...What?

He doesn't just steal magical speed. He steals all kinetic energy. Magical, mechanical, you name it, he can take it. Vision's phasing is different, IIRC.

And in fact, he HAS done the brain trick before:

http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss148/danewguy/jla-01-063.jpg

And for those who talk about shockwaves and the Hulk ripping the ground up:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/undegrovi2.jpg

something tells me robots are always exceptions to living superbeings...also on this field there will be no small earthquakes only shockwaves because the field refuses to absorb energy...also show me flash doing that move on a living being...oh wait you can't it would too gruesome for flash comics...so please try again...and that attack is never flashes first moves.

...

Which move, the speed steal or the vibrations?

He can speed steal the entire planet:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/kinteplanet.jpg

He can vibrate through living tissue:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/vibmel.jpg

Also, fun trick he can do:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/spedbraishift.jpg

Originally posted by Villelater
ndestructible field can't help the flash if he goes flying through the air...

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/airman2.jpg

well so what...the world and how is the world a living being? no...his increase in speed won't matter because if he attacks any hulk he's bound to hurt himself and he has to stop sometime...he doesn't have infinite stamina.

The Hulks brain can't be treated like a normal humans...its simply too complex

Originally posted by Villelater
well so what...the world and how is the world a living being? no...his increase in speed won't matter because if he attacks any hulk he's bound to hurt himself and he has to stop sometime...he doesn't have infinite stamina.

Oh....so you wanted a scan of him stealing speed from a LIVING being? That...that's tricky to find.

Oh wait, no it isn't. Note how in the 3rd scan, he doesn't even have to touch him, he can do it just by looking at him.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/ladfa2.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/spstejja.jpg

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/stealtrain.jpg

And of course, his torture of Inertia:

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/inerita8.jpg

No wonder forum flash is unbeatable.

other flashes...and a train momentum...for a few moments which means it isn't a permanent boost except from other flashes maybe...Hulks spinal cord and immune system still fight brain attacks...also if the hulks brain was removed wouldn't his regeneration grow a new one? like with maestro

Dang im late...the Hulk would regain his lost momentium...his weird amazing things before like see Doctor strange when he was in spirit form

Originally posted by Damborgson
No wonder forum flash is unbeatable.

Shhhhh I am having fun. My actual thoughts on this fight? Flash wins but its no stomp. Biggest threat, as always, is Hulk, and Flash will have to be at his absolute peak. Anything less, and he gets his legs ripped off or somesuch.

But its always nice to showcase what Flash can do.

And Villelator, he didn't absorb a train's momentum - the guy had the momentum similar to that of a train.

I have already shown the scale of what he can do (the entire planet). I have shown that he can do it to living things, and to robots etc. Why are you still trying to argue that he can't? I suppose that since I have posted all these lovely scans (credit to Rorschach), that you perhaps have scans showing the Hulk resisting or overpowering a speed steal, right?

And I'm not arguing he gets a speed boost. Wally doesn't need boosts anymore - he is perfectly capable of hitting light speed and time travelling on his own power. I am arguing that after he's done, the Hulk will be so slow, and his punches so weak, that the Flash has nothing to worry about.

And his spinal cord and immune system fights brain attacks...WTF? This isn't a Prof X style mental assault here - he's speeding and slowing up the kinetic energy in his brain. Nothing 'complex' about the Hulk's mind there. He still has neurons, and nerve impulses etc, right?

listen...i can't back anything i say on my own because...im on my Nintendo Wii web browser...i wish i could show the images about some of the hulks weird abilities...but i lack the power...

Originally posted by Villelater
listen...i can't back anything i say on my own because...im on my Nintendo web browser...i wish i could they images about some of the hulks weird abilities...but i lack the power...

No worries.

I know of the Hulk's astral abilities. And his sensing abilities, which is why I didn't argue that Wally goes invisible and intangible and proceeds to stealth hit the Hulk.

By the way, how does the IMP work, people? Its him going at the speed of light, and his mass increasing, right?

Imagine these as pretty much IMPs:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/thourock.jpg

didn't look like flash wanted to get close to that creature...and a bunch of light speed rocks seemed only to annoy it...oh well i am out of the game since i showed my hand...

That shows how tough Flash's opponents are :-p

i don't know about that...but it does show martian manhunter as the main shifter for that battle...

well what magic can Skaar do?

Main jobber, more like. Are you trying to lowball Flash? Lol.

Skaar? No magic, AFAIK. He's a big bruiser type with some Old Power abilities.

I find the probative value of all your scans completely deflated by how obnoxiously large they are.

Thumbnails, dude. Thumbnails or links.

Originally posted by carver9
So there is no proof that Flash can bfr Hulk?

If you'd read Flash books (or DC books in general), you'd know there was.

Point taken - links they will be next time!

If a mod could edit them, I (and presumably others) would be most grateful.

Originally posted by ODG
I find the probative value of all your scans completely deflated by how obnoxiously large they are.

Thumbnails, dude. Thumbnails or links.

I like em' big...


I know... She said that.

looks like Red Hulk...even though i don't like him...will need to use his heat for the win...and he gets hotter with his rage...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Point taken - links they will be next time!

If a mod could edit them, I (and presumably others) would be most grateful.

Sure, gimme a sec.

Heat doesn't really hurt the Flash:

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/hotred.jpg

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/heavibmo0.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/heavibmo.jpg

Ok, edited and tested.

Cheers big ears.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cheers big ears.

At first I was thinking "WTF?" then I remembered my sig.

lol

Originally posted by Odekahn
I like em' big...


I know... She said that. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq0vv2FYup1qjrk8bo1_500.gif

well...someone needs to take my place defending the hulk...The Hulk team has many numbers one of them could launch a thuderclap when flash thinks he's won or distracted long enough...numbers alone will work in Hulks favor and the sound will bounce off the walls.

He's....faster than sound. Also, numbers don't REALLY matter that much, when they are all so slow, they might as well be statues.

Think of it this way. You vs 5 people. You have superspeed, they don't (and for relative purposes, that's what's happening here. The Hulk et al DO have some superspeed, but not on Flash's level).

If you fight smart, and to the best of your ability, you could take hours slowly taking apart your opponents.

http://img308.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash1hu5.jpg
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flash2zj8.jpg

^ Maybe you'd cure the disbelief by showing Flash ko'ng big bricks. You've obviously got scans.

*****, please. All the scans I have I take from the respect thread.

Spite
A CIS off flash is nigh unstoppable and easily skyfather level if not higher.
No Hulk would even get a chance to bat an eyelid before they are dead or koed.

what is flashs best power feat? excluding Superman or such because Superman being hurt by Flash makes little sense...and wouldn't Flash be imtimidated by all those Hulks that would cause him to take time to think what his plan should be?

without CIS..this team can't even touch the Flash..they're not fast enough..or Flash can just vibrate through everything they throw at him..or he could just stop them from moving and punch them till they're out..this is an easy fight for Flash..

Originally posted by Villelater
what is flashs best power feat? excluding Superman or such because Superman being hurt by Flash makes little sense...and wouldn't Flash be imtimidated by all those Hulks that would cause him to take time to think what his plan should be?

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/barreitime2.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/travteim.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/timbar.jpg

Best high end power feat? Time travelling, maybe? Though there's that time he evacuated that Korean city at like 75 trillion times the speed of light or something silly like that.

Then there's the IMP, where he not only laps a White Martian, but knocks him out cold:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/zumimp.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/zumimp2.jpg
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http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/zumimp6.jpg

okay...what if during flash's attack the hulk surprises him by being faster than he looks...and the Hulk is a big guy...or the hulk uses his own super-breath strong enough to rip an entire forest out of its roots

Originally posted by Villelater
okay...what if during flash's attack the hulk surprises him by being faster than he looks...and the Hulk is a big guy...or the hulk uses his own super-breath strong enough to rip an entire forest out of its roots

All possible, Flash was surprised by Doomsday, after all. Hence why I said its no stomp on Flash's part. Not sure what the super breath would do when Flash can just vibrate through it. Or his suit can absorb the kinetic energy of a punch, similar to a bullet:

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/speedsuinbu.jpg

And he is pretty fast at reacting, too:
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/bulneck.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/bulneck2.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/bulneck3.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/bulneck4.jpg

so far magic defenses somehow tell him a bullet was striking him...but Banner transforms into the Hulk in simular situations and the Hulk has punched large bullets coming at him...what is wallys maximum for kinetic energy?

Originally posted by Villelater
so far magic defenses somehow tell him a bullet was striking him...but Banner transforms into the Hulk in simular situations and the Hulk has punched large bullets coming at him...what is wallys maximum for kinetic energy?

He absorbed it from the entire planet. Not quite magic, his reaction speed is just that fast. imagine someone slowly pushing a fingernail into you. You'd react to it wayyyy before it started to cause you any damage, right?

Originally posted by Villelater
okay...what if during flash's attack the hulk surprises him by being faster than he looks...and the Hulk is a big guy...or the hulk uses his own super-breath strong enough to rip an entire forest out of its roots

this is CIS-less Flash..u can't surprise a guy who can think and react at beyond the speed of light..unless u can think and react at beyond the speed of light too..which Hulk can't..so that's impossible..

Well what if the Hulks attack comes from both directions? the thunderclap...and what are Flashs worst moments? such as he could dodge something but stuipedly did not...

Originally posted by Villelater
Well what if the Hulks attack comes from both directions? the thunderclap...and what are Flashs worst moments? such as he could dodge something but stuipedly did not...

Thunderclap only works in one direction, no?

Deathstroke the Terminator has taken him out with a sword..

do u know what CIS off means??

Superman on Earth can travel beyond the Speed of Sound...Thus Flash has to deal with restrictions only he can travel faster on foot...Sound on Earth is the bases not Light.

..I don't understand your post. Clarification?

Originally posted by Villelater
Superman on Earth can travel beyond the Speed of Sound...Thus Flash has to deal with restrictions only he can travel faster on foot...Sound on Earth is the bases not Light.

The speed force negates any restrictions like friction, etc, if flash wants them to.

so your saying theres side-effects for going the speed of light on a planet? and how do know if he removed restrictions? i know Superman merely exceeds the speed of sound on Earth...but not travel beyond Lightspeed...running on foot that is...as for his flying its not important right now.

There aren't any side effects for the speeds, no. Speed Force, brah.

Preboot Flash could run without destroying the Earth, thanks to the Speed Force. We know this because he didn't destroy the Earth.

Besides, he doesn't HAVE to go lightspeed. Near lightspeed would still be thousands of times faster than Hulk.

Superman is the one who, at times, says he goes only a certain speed so he doesn't cause massive destruction.

alright...Flash warms-up at Sound speed...and the speed of light is how fasf?...i think the gap is too big and flash can't travel near that speed without straining himself on Earth.

Villelater..u sound like u don't even know anything about the Flash..and u are arguing against something u don't even know about??seriously??

pre boot wally had the option to suck things up in his speed stream though. This stuff would trail behind him almost as if it was weightless above ground the while he ran.

He could be very destructive if he wanted to.

i have only one Flash issue...numbers 108-111 Dead heat...thats all i got of the Flash

ooh makes sense.

Nothing in those issues of Dead-heat would constitute as “Dirt” since it involves “Savatar”

Originally posted by Villelater
alright...Flash warms-up at Sound speed...and the speed of light is how fasf?...i think the gap is too big and flash can't travel near that speed without straining himself on Earth.

Based on?

i thought you would throw the math at me...how much more is Light than Sound...i saw the math before but i need to it again...based on wally needs food for energy

Originally posted by Villelater
i thought you would throw the math at me...how much more is Light than Sound...i saw the math before but i need to it again...based on wally needs food for energy

Wally doesn't need food - he mainlines energy from the Speed Force.

About 900000 times faster. So in the time it takes a speedster travelling at the speed of sound to throw one punch, the light speedster has thrown 900000.

And if you're trying to argue that Flash would need too much time to accelerate up to that speed, don't. He can hit near light speed, for all intents and purposes, instantly.

just as i thought...the Gap between Sound and Light...is wayyyyy too far to say he travels lightspeed... beyond Super Sonic but i would say to achieve lightspeed would force him to meet god...or timetravel then to god...either way Lightspeed on a Planet wouldn't be something he do...Super Sonic is his base...

WHAT do you base this assertion on?????

Originally posted by Villelater
just as i thought...the Gap between Sound and Light...is wayyyyy too far to say he travels lightspeed... beyond Super Sonic but i would say to achieve lightspeed would force him to meet god...or timetravel then to god...either way Lightspeed on a Planet wouldn't be something he do...Super Sonic is his base...

u don't seems to understand what CIS off means..

Flash vs. a team of Hulks??? Sheesh, not even close, Hulks easily KO him much more than not.

Originally posted by Villelater
just as i thought...the Gap between Sound and Light...is wayyyyy too far to say he travels lightspeed... beyond Super Sonic but i would say to achieve lightspeed would force him to meet god...or timetravel then to god...either way Lightspeed on a Planet wouldn't be something he do...Super Sonic is his base...

Flash has come very close to light-speed on earth, and surpassed it at times.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/bltzligtn.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/movesftl.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/outrclight.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/dodginglight.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/dodginglight2.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/palight.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/palight2.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/redshift.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/redshift2.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff164/WallyWestRespect/redshift3.jpg

I have more, but you get the picture. Flash can and has run near the speed of light in many cases on Earth, and in some cases, faster.

Checkmate.

Basic Anti-Over-Exageration Math...happened to me when argueing about Superman vs Goku...which i was reading long time ago on youtube...Goku is hard to take down debate wise...P.S. Hulk got into the battle somehow and i had tried to defend him.

Originally posted by Villelater
Basic Anti-Over-Exageration Math...happened to me when argueing about Superman vs Goku...which i was reading long time ago on youtube...Goku is hard to take down debate wise...P.S. Hulk got into the battle somehow and i had tried to defend him.

Not really maths, though, when he flat out states it in words.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/lightspeed.jpg

He can, and has, gone lightspeed on Earth. It has been stated through narration, numbers, and by the characters themselves. Are you seriously trying to handicap Flash to the speed of sound just because it 'feels right' to you?

soo...can the Flash see even things standing still in Lightspeed mode? or do they also need to be travling fast?

Oh, and thank Grant Morrison for the Flash running faster than light. On Earth. From a dead stop.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/apearlightfa.jpg

Originally posted by Villelater
soo...can the Flash see even things standing still in Lightspeed mode? or do they also need to be travling fast?

He can perceive them, yes. Speed Force is magic like that.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/halfmilp.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/halfmilp2.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/halfmilp3.jpg

I do hope you're looking at these awesome scans...

alright...you made your point...now i need time to think...

Originally posted by Villelater
alright...you made your point...now i need time to think...

You haven't done too bad, actually.

Between yourself and D.S., and P.R., you've taken me from thinking Flash wins 10/10 to thinking Flash wins 8/10, and that despite the "Ultimate Dark Saint Respect Thread" being created here.

Kudos.

Originally posted by Villelater
Nothing in those issues of Dead-heat would constitute as “Dirt” since it involves “Savatar”

are you talking to me here?

if so then my response is that's not what I meant at all. It makes sense that you would think the things you do because of the limited materiel you have to go on.

Flash with all abilities? Hulk wins

Flash with all abilities While being smart wins.

F**k Hulks team..just dead weight to the big Man himself...

i have sort of a dumb question but does flash have like super addy arms or something if he hits hulk (over 2000 lbs of solid rock) while goign the speed of sound would his arms just crumble and break off? maybe i dont know enough about flash ive never read a comic of his but thats just my thought

I've got a lot of questions of my own concerning the Flash, and this thread seems to be the place to get them answered.



Number one:

If Flash does not hurt himself while punching, or fatigue from running, why does Bart say, in Infinite Crisis #7, that he was the only one of the Flashes that could still run? And why did he collapse in Japan just before re-engaging Superboy Prime?

By the way, whoever answers, in your opinion, is it Bart's blood or SBP's blood on Bart's fist in the following attachment?

The Flash doesn't have infinite durability. Look at when wally and dick fought grodd. In his thought bubble he was mentioning breaking bones but he healed so fast that his wounds were mended before he could even feel the pain. He seems to have legit durability which would be because of the speed force.

Bart was the only flash other then jay at that time because he had absorbed the entire speed force.

EDIT plus Imps. he can hit that hard and he doesn't crumble to dust. I think since speed is relitive to the flash so isn't the force at which he can punch.

it might b relative to him but imagine holding your arm out a window going 65 mph and it hit a tree standing still its going to break ur arm off of your body so hes moving at 6000 mph (idk what the actual mph is just exagerating) whats going to happen when he hits hulk a 2000 lb rage monster

Got to get some randomness out of my system.

One:

Saw that Punisher delivered a baby the other day. He let the little one live, and I'm likewise sure that, being all for innocent people and what not, he saw to it that the baby was properly cared for. What he did to the mafia parents, though ...

The juxtaposition ... thought such was a demonstration of the coldest action I would ever see in a comic ...

On examination, really thinking about it, what Wally does here is worse.
Would have argued Flash wasn't capable of lightly killing an opponent before now. Not so sure after seeing this ...

lol yea obviously I know what would happen to my arm at those speed......

Like I said if hes at your given speed 6000 then his durability would be relative to that. Its not infinite but like I said even if he breaks his arm it would heal in less then a second. This is why when he used his Imp's he doesn't just shatter like glass.

So what Im saying is hulks going to be hurting.

I just want to know why you question this and not his ability to hear at the speed of sound and his ability to see at light speed. Because if you outrun sound how can the sound wave reach your ears? anyways the answer to all of your questions that have to do with physics are "The Speed Force" it is almost like anti physics.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider


On examination, really thinking about it, what Wally does here is worse.
Would have argued Flash wasn't capable of lightly killing an opponent before now. Not so sure after seeing this ...

Thats why you don't Pi$$ off wally west. In the forums flashes would be near god like. In comics not so much otherwise they would be one panel long.

to be fair he didn't kill Inertia lol

Not so sure Flash would lightly be able to cope with Hulk Team actions against the ground. Distinctly remember him nearly losing his balance in New World Order when Zum merely threw bricks at him and he tried to dodge.

As for presumably stopping an earthquake, which I imagine happens in the panel after this or something ...?

Supergirl stopped one with a whistle.

Top THAT one, Walter .

if wally was blood lusted it would be as easy as running then vibrating through them. He could throw off their vibrational frequency and cause them to all to go boom

Originally posted by bluewaterrider


As for presumably stopping an earthquake, which I imagine happens in the panel after this or something ...?

Supergirl stopped one with a whistle.

Top THAT one, Walter .


Actually I take the above back ...

I wouldn't WANT to see any Flash writer try to give Wally something sillier than Kara's Earthquake-stopping frequency whistle.

They just might succeed. Especially considering the following, which is the height of insanity; else representative of a pre-Crisis storyline.

(Which, on thinking on that, is the same difference, really ... )

what part is it that you find insane? The flying or the vibrating?

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
if wally was blood lusted it would be as easy as running then vibrating through them. He could throw off their vibrational frequency and cause them to all to go boom

Very iffy something like that working.

1) Though it varies with the writer, it has been shown that there are some things Flashes can NOT normally vibrate through (Wonder Woman's lasso, for instance.)

2) Hulks deal with competing vibrational frequencies to begin with by definition. They've reigned in all that high-radiation, moving-at-light-speed-already gamma energy, remember? Yet such does not seem to make them less stable but MORE physically solid.

3) Hulks are able to treat some types of energy as solid material.
Again wonder what's supposed to guarantee Flash phasing would work at all if attempted.

4) The Maestro, alternate future version of Professor Hulk, demonstrated the ability to reconstitute himself from stray molecules, suggesting there's something at work in the Hulks that gives their bodies the innate tendency to reconfigure around a central core or somehow keep their integrity through unexplained outside means.

Also, of course, that they have an insane healing factor...


May or may not be worth mentioning that Hulks can vibrate their own bodies at higher speeds than most any conventionally known machine, too, and that such causes them little if any distress ...

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
lol yea obviously I know what would happen to my arm at those speed......

Like I said if hes at your given speed 6000 then his durability would be relative to that. Its not infinite but like I said even if he breaks his arm it would heal in less then a second. This is why when he used his Imp's he doesn't just shatter like glass.

So what Im saying is hulks going to be hurting.

I just want to know why you question this and not his ability to hear at the speed of sound and his ability to see at light speed. Because if you outrun sound how can the sound wave reach your ears? anyways the answer to all of your questions that have to do with physics are "The Speed Force" it is almost like anti physics.

i havent gotten to my point of him being able to see or hear at light speeds at an any where near normal level i just dont see him able to hurt the hulk without killing himself at high speeds and hulk will eventually catch him and break him

Worth pointing out that Hulk has caught speedsters before. Marvel Comics' fastest man of yesteryear, for instance ...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Very iffy something like that working.

1) Though it varies with the writer, it has been shown that there are some things Flashes can NOT normally vibrate through (Wonder Woman's lasso, for instance.)

2) Hulks deal with competing vibrational frequencies to begin with by definition. They've reigned in all that high-radiation, moving-at-light-speed-already gamma energy, remember? Yet such does not seem to make them less stable but MORE physically solid.

3) Hulks are able to treat some types of energy as solid material.
Again wonder what's supposed to guarantee Flash phasing would work at all if attempted.

4) The Maestro, alternate future version of Professor Hulk, demonstrated the ability to reconstitute himself from stray molecules, suggesting there's something at work in the Hulks that gives their bodies the innate tendency to reconfigure around a central core or somehow keep their integrity through unexplained outside means.

Also, of course, that they have an insane healing factor...


May or may not be worth mentioning that Hulks can vibrate their own bodies at higher speeds than most any conventionally known machine, too, and that such causes them little if any distress ...

points 1-3 all kind of have a similar point to them and the way to solve that question is to find out exactly what methods of phasing have worked on hulks and what have not.

Beyond that lets say for arguments sake he's to dense to phase through their is also the option to...as sick as this sounds...rub him down. The flashes are kind of kings of vibrational frequencies and he could just throw off hulks frequency causing him to blow to pieces. Taking into account that everything has a unique vibrational frequency. But lets say he can't make hulk blow to pieces he still has options. Fighting with smart while using a flashes abilities are an enemy's worst nightmare. Look at how wall handled Mongul. That was before he even had a handle on the speed force.

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
i havent gotten to my point of him being able to see or hear at light speeds at an any where near normal level i just dont see him able to hurt the hulk without killing himself at high speeds and hulk will eventually catch him and break him

Hulk catching Flash with cis off just simply wont happen.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Worth pointing out that Hulk has caught speedsters before. Marvel Comics' fastest man of yesteryear, for instance ...

The Flash is to Quicksilver in speed as Namor is to Aquaman in strength....

EDITED: fixed

well i disagree he eventually will before flash can do ne thing he'll have him tripped up and broken before flash is able to lay a scratch on hulk

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
The Flash is to Quicksilver in speed as Namor is to Aquaman in strength....


I don't know really know how Quicksilver rates against Flash historically in direct comparison, but I'll take your word for it.


Originally posted by BlackZero30x

EDITED: fixed


Calling Aquaman a wimp by comparison?
P.R. might want words with you later ...

...with cis off hulk would be a statue compared to flash. An enemy as powerful as hulk wouldn't be taken lightly. I'll put it this way wally was setting in a movie theater and a bullet was fired and as it just barely touches the back of his neck he auto jumps into speed mode and grabs every bullet fired in the theater before anyone gets hit. Heck Wally was once in a police office talking to the police and disaster struck. He not only took care of everything but he fixed all the damaged cars and gave them oil changes. He was back before the cops even noticed he was gone. Or he can move fast enough to appear in two places at once. Like when he was talking to hunter zolomons wife. The Flash was in the room talking to her at the same time as Wally West.....they were both wally.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I don't know really know how Quicksilver rates against Flash historically in direct comparison, but I'll take your word for it.





Calling Aquaman a wimp by comparison?
P.R. might want words with you later ...

lol The flash is or historically always has been.

Lol Aqumans strength is quite a gap from Namors. I love Aquman and think he could beat Namor but not based on his strength. His other abilities give him the edge imo lol

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Fighting with smart while using a Flashs abilities are an enemy's worst nightmare. Look at how handled Mongul. That was before he even had a handle on the speed force.



Please remember that many of us do not have comprehensive collections of all the Flashes adventures. Here against Mongul, for instance, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, because I've never seen the two fight.

Sorry lol

Mongul got like one hit in and then wally thrashed him entirely. The cover of the issue shows Mongul holding him up by his foot but the fight is actually VERY one sided.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x

Mongul got like one hit in and then wally thrashed him entirely.

Ah, I see.


More conflicting points, though, and you can tell me if what D.S. provided is from a bygone era etcetera and/or otherwise shouldn't be in consideration here:

One.

The Flashes are used to CURBING speed effects that would normally be lethal. Even making the conscious decision to use maximum force, any Flash placed in this situation should naturally be hindered by this ingrained tendency.

Here, for instance, reproducing a scene D.S. presented earlier, Inertia shoves a man at GREATER than light speed.

It does him almost no damage whatsoever.

Theoretically, such should have sent Bart straight THROUGH the poor guy, rather like a man-sized bullet. Did Bart extend speed force protection to the guy or something ...? But if the Flashes unconsciously extend protection to all target peoples, how would they override this training to make it truly dangerous once again?

no one is debating flash is fast lol ur giving me facts about how fast he is we've established he potentially has the ability to move at the speed of light and the argument is if hulk would b able to stop him basically bcuz as soon as he's laid a finger on him hulk breaks him end of story lol hulk isnt a statue as u say he has godly reflexes and extreme speed and agility himself

Ahk! My bad ...

Somehow, my KMC attachment did not get processed correctly in the previous message.

Perhaps it will work this time ...?

Hmm.

Maybe NOT my bad ... maybe some computer program error ...



Alright last upload try of this scene, Inertia saving someone under a tree from imminent visibily-descending lightning ...

Running up on a temporary time deadline in about ... 14 minutes.

So let me get the biggest present concerns out the way ...



For the proposed near infinite mass punch


Hulks can take VERY hard blows without getting killed, knocked out, or even taken much out of a fight. Even new less-heralded ones like Skaar, for instance ...

my argument is basically flash is obviously going to land a lot more blows but i think they hurt flash more then they hurt hulk and once hulk finally lands a blow that kills flash period

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Ah, I see.


More conflicting points, though, and you can tell me if what D.S. provided is from a bygone era etcetera and/or otherwise shouldn't be in consideration here:

One.

The Flashes are used to CURBING speed effects that would normally be lethal. Even making the conscious decision to use maximum force, any Flash placed in this situation should naturally be hindered by this ingrained tendency.

Here, for instance, reproducing a scene D.S. presented earlier, Inertia shoves a man at GREATER than light speed.

It does him almost no damage whatsoever.

Theoretically, such should have sent Bart straight THROUGH the poor guy, rather like a man-sized bullet. Did Bart extend speed force protection to the guy or something ...? But if the Flashes unconsciously extend protection to all target peoples, how would they override this training to make it truly dangerous once again? I think in general the speedsters would have to knowingly protect someone. I conclude this from from taking this into account......

Wally had actually lost his powers in the 80's but he used barry's notes and the help of Tina McGee to build a machine to recreate his accident. Upon re attaining his abilities he took off faster then he ever has. He ran so fast it left a trail of damage like burning asphalt. It has always been my belief that it is a matter of keeping control. In the same way magneto kept Asteroid M in space yet it was a mere thought in the back of his head.

Speed force can be absorbed like energy from any given Flash, if Wally's trick on ... Christina (?) is any indication...

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
and the argument is if hulk would b able to stop him basically bcuz as soon as he's laid a finger on him hulk breaks him end of story lol hulk isnt a statue as u say he has godly reflexes and extreme speed and agility himself

show me this...

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Speed force can be absorbed like energy from any given Flash, if Wally's trick on ... Christina (?) is any indication...

Flashes can absorb energy out of anything. Not just other speedsters. Wally absorbed the kinetic energy directly from the earth. He can "speed steal" from anything that has kinetic energy

... which brings up the biggest complication I can see in a CISless forum match.

The Red Hulk demonstrated the ability to absorb various forms of energy.
He started out at a high base of strength and durability, of course, but he had the ability to amp beyond that.

People joke of it as "Loebforce" because it is, or was, so widely varied in what it could siphon from and how powerfully it could magnify him.

That fact isn't common knowledge within the comic world, though.

"Rulk" commented on such himself:

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Running up on a temporary time deadline in about ... 14 minutes.

So let me get the biggest present concerns out the way ...



For the proposed near infinite mass punch


Hulks can take VERY hard blows without getting killed, knocked out, or even taken much out of a fight. Even new less-heralded ones like Skaar, for instance ...

Wally's Imp was said to have as much force behind it as a white dwarf star so imagine getting hit by a white dwarf star at light speed.

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
my argument is basically flash is obviously going to land a lot more blows but i think they hurt flash more then they hurt hulk and once hulk finally lands a blow that kills flash period

Hulk won't land a blow and flash wouldn't hurt himself on hulk. Even if he did flash can do more to hulk than just that.

With Surfer, Rulk drained COSMIC energy.

With Hulk ...

Rulk drained GAMMA energy.


With the villain Klaw ...

I get where you are going with this. He could drain the speed force from wally. Thats a viable plan but it appears that Rulk would have to be touching The Flash. Maybe holding him in a way but I don't think thats going to happen.

... Rulk drained SOUND energy.


With Thor, or Mjolnir, or perhaps even by merely being near Thor, some posters seriously suggested that Rulk absorbed a portion of the ODIN FORCE. Which is why they're saying in the following shot, that Mjolnir has lightning coming from it on every hammer swing and strike on Thor.