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Originally posted by Golgo13
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http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3133/114649-70598-onslaught_large.jpg I think void takes this, but because he pulls the reality warp trick much much faster than Onslaught

Onslaught was more powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
Onslaught was more powerful. not more than MM

Originally posted by googol
not more than MM

A one time showing doesn't invalidate everything Onslaught has done. Onslaught was far more threatening imo.

Originally posted by googol
I think void takes this, but because he pulls the reality warp trick much much faster than Onslaught When did he warp reality?

Originally posted by Mindset
When did he warp reality? Creating a sun out of thin air?

If this is Onslaught with no X-Man or Franklin Richards. I would still favor Onslaught.

He psionics where Xavier's magnified and unchecked.

Overpowering Juggernaut, and ripping his crystal out is far more impressive than ripping ripping Ares half.

Bob

Onslaught, Void doesn't have full control of his powers

If they brawl 'n blast it out, Reynolds. However, Onslaught could win if he concentrates on psychic attacks.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
If they brawl 'n blast it out, Reynolds. However, Onslaught could win if he concentrates on psychic attacks. Psychic attacks have never worked against void.

Onslaught annihilates Void...

Owen only lost because he was emotionally unstable and didnt take advantage of situations where he had Voidtry helpless; for all practical purposes, Owen kept turning his back to Voidtry...

Onslaught wont have this problem...

Inaddition, Onslaught is simply far more powerful than Voidtry; if Onslaught accesses Franklin Richards full power, this fight is over before it ever starts...

voids first few appearances made him out to be a much bigger threat then onslaught was. They both lost to PIS which makes it hard to argue why either would actually lose.

@TheLordofMurder....Onslaught never had access to Franklin Richards full power if I remember correctly. So that point is kinda reaching.

onslaught rolls hes well beyond bobs strength and power plus he could sit back and blast at bob behind very powerful armor and force fields on top of being able to warp reality he has to many things that work well against void

Originally posted by bbrem123
voids first few appearances made him out to be a much bigger threat then onslaught was. http://www.abload.de/img/0019_79ow.gif

Onslaught wins.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://www.abload.de/img/0019_79ow.gif do you even know the groups of teams he faced? far more impressive then what onslaught took on. Figures you have no counter argument to my post.

Dont get me wrong I never said void would win...im just saying the facts

Originally posted by bbrem123
do you even know the groups of teams he faced? far more impressive then what onslaught took on. Figures you have no counter argument to my post.

Dont get me wrong I never said void would win...im just saying the facts
Void was a bigger threat than Onslaught who kidnapped and usurped Nate Grey and Franklin Richard's powers.

And who Doom and Apocalypse were shown to be prepping against and trying to battle. Not just talking about it.

And who created a second sun that was about to destroy the Earth...

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Yes, Void was a bigger threat than a second sun that was going to destroy Earth if they didn't stop him.

The Space crab loses.

Void wins.

Onslaught was weak, with all that supposed power and he couldn't even put down the Hulk

Void wins.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Void was a bigger threat than Onslaught who kidnapped and usurped Nate Grey and Franklin Richard's powers.

And who Doom and Apocalypse were shown to be prepping against and trying to battle. Not just talking about it.

And who created a second sun that was about to destroy the Earth...

...

Yes, Void was a bigger threat than a second sun that was going to destroy Earth if they didn't stop him. just proves you know shit about void haha...terrible counter.

void fought pretty much the same people onslaught did only classic strange was in the line up was well as many other heroes and villain. Was also about to destroy earth.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Void wins.

Onslaught was weak, with all that supposed power and he couldn't even put down the Hulk

yup

overrated if you ask me

Originally posted by googol
Creating a sun out of thin air? Yes, that is great for Onslaught, but what does that have to do with my question about Sentry?

Sentry = WWH
WWH > Onslaught

Problem?

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Originally posted by Nihilist
Void wins.

Onslaught was weak, with all that supposed power and he couldn't even put down the Hulk

Two things....

1st, that wasnt just normal Hulk that Onslaught faced; that was Mindless Hulk...

Hulk with the Banner side of his personality shut down which completely removed the limitations on his rage/physical strength...

2nd, Onslaught was jobbed down to Mindless Hulks level; with Franklins reality warping power at his command, Onslaught could have beaten that version of The Hulk a million different ways, but due to the "its the Hulk...I will only trade blows with him" factor, Onslaught fought him like an idiot (hell, Onslaught was winning the brawl until he stopped to talk crap to the Hulk instead of pressing the advantage when he had him down)....

Hence, Onslaught jobbed to Mindless Hulk...

Originally posted by bbrem123
just proves you know shit about void haha...terrible counter.

void fought pretty much the same people onslaught did only classic strange was in the line up was well as many other heroes and villain. Was also about to destroy earth. Terrible counter. Indeed. That's why you ignored all of it.
I know shit about Void because he clearly had Frank and Nate's power, or that Apoc and Doom were prepping against Void. Or that Void created a second sun that was going to destroy the entire earth.
Must have missed those parts. I really do know shit against Void.

So it's not actually the threat that indicates... threat, but the amount of people.
Galactus' first appearance was less threatening than anytime they've ever fought Count Nefaria following this logic.

Except destroying Earth was an immediate threat considering the second sun that was already created was right ****ing there.
Now show me Void's threat to the Earth mirroring a second sun.

And the fact that Onslaught was siphoning off the most powerful being on Earth's power at the time. Clearly this wasn't a threat. It's not like we've seen Frank hold off against Celestials, or crush a severely powered up Mephisto or anything like that... or create a universe in the same arc.

Also, Classic Strange wouldn't even go near Onslaught. And I don't think he carries as much weight as Joseph, Doom, Xavier, etc. But whatever.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Void wins.

Onslaught was weak, with all that supposed power and he couldn't even put down the Hulk You missed the part where severely angry Hulk was unconscious on the floor.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You missed the part where severely angry Hulk was unconscious on the floor.



Onslaught was still kicking...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Void wins.

Based on?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder


Onslaught was still kicking... It'd be one thing if severely pissed off Hulk slowed him down and didn't KO himself.

It's another when he's laying on the floor while everyone realizes that a mistake was probably made.

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It would have been interesting if Onslaught kept pounding Hulk though after he dropped him.

onslaught didn't have a body to punch anyone with

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Terrible counter. Indeed. That's why you ignored all of it.
I know shit about Void because he clearly had Frank and Nate's power, or that Apoc and Doom were prepping against Void. Or that Void created a second sun that was going to destroy the entire earth.
Must have missed those parts. I really do know shit against Void.

So it's not actually the threat that indicates... threat, but the amount of people.
Galactus' first appearance was less threatening than anytime they've ever fought Count Nefaria following this logic.

Except destroying Earth was an immediate threat considering the second sun that was already created was right ****ing there.
Now show me Void's threat to the Earth mirroring a second sun.

And the fact that Onslaught was siphoning off the most powerful being on Earth's power at the time. Clearly this wasn't a threat. It's not like we've seen Frank hold off against Celestials, or crush a severely powered up Mephisto or anything like that... or create a universe in the same arc.

Also, Classic Strange wouldn't even go near Onslaught. And I don't think he carries as much weight as Joseph, Doom, Xavier, etc. But whatever.

yep.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You missed the part where severely angry Hulk was unconscious on the floor.

yep.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
It'd be one thing if severely pissed off Hulk slowed him down and didn't KO himself.

It's another when he's laying on the floor while everyone realizes that a mistake was probably made.

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It would have been interesting if Onslaught kept pounding Hulk though after he dropped him.

and......yep. bran with the trifecta.

(being canadian and all i'd have gone with the hat-trick metaphor, but i'm like the only canadian on earth who hates the sport....)

Originally posted by leonidas
yep.



yep.



and......yep. bran with the trifecta.

(being canadian and all i'd have gone with the hat-trick metaphor, but i'm like the only canadian on earth who hates the sport....) Soulmates?

I hate Hockey too!

Who is on the battlefield?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Two things....

1st, that wasnt just normal Hulk that Onslaught faced; that was Mindless Hulk...

Hulk with the Banner side of his personality shut down which completely removed the limitations on his rage/physical strength...

2nd, Onslaught was jobbed down to Mindless Hulks level; with Franklins reality warping power at his command, Onslaught could have beaten that version of The Hulk a million different ways, but due to the "its the Hulk...I will only trade blows with him" factor, Onslaught fought him like an idiot (hell, Onslaught was winning the brawl until he stopped to talk crap to the Hulk instead of pressing the advantage when he had him down)....

Hence, Onslaught jobbed to Mindless Hulk... just total nonsense

Originally posted by Nihilist
just total nonsense

In other words, you have no rational counter-argument; concession accepted!

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
You missed the part where severely angry Hulk was unconscious on the floor. and Onslaughts armour cracked open leaving himself vulnerable and that blast woudnt have kod Void like it did Hulk

Originally posted by Nihilist
and Onslaughts armour cracked open leaving himself vulnerable and that blast woudnt have kod Void like it did Hulk

Void would just be reality warped into utter oblivion by a PIS-off Onslaught...

Imagine if Bendis had handled the Onslaught Saga.

Replace Thor and Hulk cracking and shattering Onslaught's shell with Luke Cage and Hawkeye.

Epic.

@ LOM

No you just use jobbing as a excuse in every and don't value a single you ever have to say .

Originally posted by Nihilist
@ LOM

No you just use jobbing as a excuse in every and don't value a single you ever have to say . this comment doesn't make sense

Originally posted by Nihilist
@ LOM

No you just use jobbing as a excuse in every and don't value a single you ever have to say .

I dont value a Thanos nut-hugger....cheers!

Originally posted by Starscream M
this comment doesn't make sense

Very little of what Nihilist says makes any sense...

What is this, round #247 between LoM and Nihilist?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I dont value a Thanos nut-hugger....cheers!

yet you made a Point of picking up on my post fool

So is this normal or powered up Onslaught?

Onslaught with Nate and Franklin wins. Likely even without.

That wasn't a normal Hulk at all and a lot of things has damaged Void that was less powerful than a Mindless Hulk fist.

Hulk references notwithstanding, I think based of scale and applied ability onslaught had more power to draw from and should IMO be considered the bigger threat

Originally posted by carver9
That wasn't a normal Hulk at all and a lot of things has damaged Void that was less powerful than a Mindless Hulk fist. Onslaught was hurt by Thors regular hammer shots, the Void shrugged off his lightning amped hammer shots.

Its obviously a physical fight.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Based on? Intelligence.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Onslaught was hurt by Thors regular hammer shots, the Void shrugged off his lightning amped hammer shots.

When was Onslaught with Nate and Franklin powers ever hurt by Thor? Scans please.

Originally posted by carver9
When was Onslaught with Nate and Franklin powers ever hurt by Thor? Scans please. why don't you back up this notion that Nate and Franklins power somehow increased Onslaught durability.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Intelligence.

Bah...

Once again, you give an answer which is completely lacking in substance; you are a joke when it comes to supporting your arguments...

Anyway, Onslaught beats Void 10/10...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Bah...

Once again, you give an answer which is completely lacking in substance; you are a joke when it comes to supporting your arguments...

Anyway, Onslaught beats Void 10/10...



i might be the biggest sentry fan on this site and onslaught wins this fight pretty easily i might add and if he has franklin absorbed holy lord its more like 16/10

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Bah...

Once again, you give an answer which is completely lacking in substance; you are a joke when it comes to supporting your arguments...

Anyway, Onslaught beats Void 10/10...

Surviving complete annihilation and overpowering the MM at his own game comes to mind. Ripping Loki in half also comes to mind as to how he will destroy his physical shell. Void is simply too much and has far more impressive on panel showings than Onslaught ever has before.

Now quit crying everytime you create a thread in which someone disagrees with you.

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
i might be the biggest sentry fan on this site and onslaught wins this fight pretty easily i might add and if he has franklin absorbed holy lord its more like 16/10

haha no. Were you not the one who just said a Bloodlust sentry is beyond galactus. But he cant beat onslaught? wtf

Sorry buddy but you lack any knowledge on sentry or even comics in general.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Surviving complete annihilation and overpowering the MM at his own game comes to mind. Ripping Loki in half also comes to mind as to how he will destroy his physical shell. Void is simply too much and has far more impressive on panel showings than Onslaught ever has before.

Now quit crying everytime you create a thread in which someone disagrees with you. agreed

how do i lack knowledge of sentry? i havent said ne thing untrue of his level of power? and bcuz onslaught has a skill set that galactus doesnt and if a full powered onslaught goes head to head with galactus he downs him as well galactus would get raped against franklin and onslaught has him absorbed he'd rape

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
how do i lack knowledge of sentry? i havent said ne thing untrue of his level of power? and bcuz onslaught has a skill set that galactus doesnt and if a full powered onslaught goes head to head with galactus he downs him as well galactus would get raped against franklin and onslaught has him absorbed he'd rape Based on what that Onslaught actually did on panel ? That's how we debate here.

im going based off of the power he has available to him reality warping extreme psy power i mean his powers are limitless if they are claiming franklin is the most powerful in marvel or adult franklin is omg his power absorbed hes unstopable no herald is touching him

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
im going based off of the power he has available to him reality warping extreme psy power i mean his powers are limitless if they are claiming franklin is the most powerful in marvel or adult franklin is omg his power absorbed hes unstopable no herald is touching him Based on what feat does he beat the Void ? Give me an example based on something he did in a comic.

idk how to post scans or ne thing just copy and paste? still new to the forums i can pull several examples of how with the power he has hes a high lvl skyfather his skill set takes down bob takes down really any herald 1 on 1

So your stance is that Onslaught>Sentry> Galactus?

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
idk how to post scans or ne thing just copy and paste? still new to the forums i can pull several examples of how with the power he has hes a high lvl skyfather his skill set takes down bob takes down really any herald 1 on 1 Just reference what he did in order to prove your point. Explain it. Don't tell me you can't articulate your points without scans.

Originally posted by Juntai
So your stance is that Onslaught>Sentry> Galactus?

full powered blood lusted that is my stance yes

onslaught takes over the universe if cis isnt involved where everyone jumps into him being absorbed to take him out without question and there is no debate im using that everyone thinks adult franklin and nate are 2 of the strongest in marvel and they were absorbed he made him self a high high lvl skyfather and if he is bloodlusted and wants everyone dead he wrecks any of them 1 on 1

Sentry stalemated Galactus off panel and we don't know how or the context to that fight. It's almost the very definition of a non-feat.

i might not have as much knowledge as some of you but i do know what i have read and i know what the sentry comics say about his power and i know enough about galactus and what ive read to make my statement if you dont like it to bad

Yeah, I've read a lot about Sentry and Galactus, too.

And really, outside of his hyperbolic statements of possessing the power of a "million exploding suns", nothing he did ever suggests that he could stalemate Galactus under his own power. It was a random off-hand statement made by Spider-Man and later confirmed by X-Man.

To that end, we don't know the context of that fight, and if you knew enough about Galactus, you'd know that depending on his hunger levels or any other forms of plot devices or weapons, "stalemating" him suddenly doesn't sound as impressive. You could argue Thor stalemated (if not actually scored a technical victory) over Galactus via the Godblast years ago. You could argue that Reed has stalemated or defeated Galactus via the Ultimate Nullifier.

Using off-panel events/statements as "proof" for Sentry or Void's superiority doesn't do him any credit. In fact, the only feat of his that comes close to possibly giving him credit in stalemating Galactus is when Void overpowered Molecule Man, who was a far, far, far cry from his optimal levels.

i was just discussing this in another thread i will post scans of his strength ive argued this for a long time he CANT use his full power on earth because he'll destroy it but i will get scans and will use those for a better argument i obviously cant win by stating what ive read

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
onslaught takes over the universe if cis isnt involved where everyone jumps into him being absorbed to take him out without question and there is no debate im using that everyone thinks adult franklin and nate are 2 of the strongest in marvel and they were absorbed he made him self a high high lvl skyfather and if he is bloodlusted and wants everyone dead he wrecks any of them 1 on 1

You do know that Galactus is beyond skyfather right? So Onslaught could be high high high high lvl skyfather in your words and still be below Galactus

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
onslaught takes over the universe if cis isnt involved where everyone jumps into him being absorbed to take him out without question and there is no debate im using that everyone thinks adult franklin and nate are 2 of the strongest in marvel and they were absorbed he made him self a high high lvl skyfather and if he is bloodlusted and wants everyone dead he wrecks any of them 1 on 1 Except he didn't nd his best showings aren't better than the Sentry's so there's that. We know that the villain doesn't get to win long term but you have to argue based on what's done on panel along with abilities and what's in character.

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
full powered blood lusted that is my stance yes

What is the meaning behind your sn?

Originally posted by Golgo13
What is the meaning behind your sn?

sn? i am simply stating showing that onslaught if he werent the villan and victim of cis and having to lose since hes the bad guy takes over the universe he has arguably the 2 most powerful beings in marvel absorbed along with beyond powerful other psychic abilities nothing more and yes i am saying he is higher then galactus and in a 1 on 1 fight onslaught warps galactus

Hahaha.

Onslaught eats him.