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Pre-Crisis Validus
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Omega
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Superboy Prime
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GA Captain Marvel
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Pre-Crisis Superman
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Mangog
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Trion Juggernaut
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Destroyer
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HOTM Hulk
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Thor W/Power Gem
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Literally all of team 1 can solo team 2.

Why have you done this.

Bbut it's Mangog AND Destroyer together! And a powerful Juggernaut on top of that. Are you sure?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Bbut it's Mangog AND Destroyer together! And a powerful Juggernaut on top of that. Are you sure?
omega - abstract level
validus - solid skyfather
superboy prime - wanked feats out the ass
Pc supes - Read above
Ga marvel - Legitimate invincibility to the point where fighting him is poitless and unending stamina along with pc supes lvl strength and speed.

Yeah. Im sure.

Team Mangog.

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
omega - abstract level
validus - solid skyfather
superboy prime - wanked feats out the ass
Pc supes - Read above
Ga marvel - Legitimate invincibility to the point where fighting him is poitless and unending stamina along with pc supes lvl strength and speed.

Yeah. Im sure.

Well, Mangog is also Skyfather.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Team Mangog.

Reasons?

Originally posted by Gecko4lif
omega - abstract level
validus - solid skyfather
superboy prime - wanked feats out the ass
Pc supes - Read above
Ga marvel - Legitimate invincibility to the point where fighting him is poitless and unending stamina along with pc supes lvl strength and speed.

Yeah. Im sure.

Silver Age Mangog Abstract/Sky Father level
Destroyer Sky Father level and beyond
Trion Juggernaut High Trans level
HOTM Hulk High Trans level
Thor w/ power High Trans level

by no means a stomp for team one, at his peak Silver age Mangog was 25 ft tall 35,000 lbs and was powers stated to be up their with Galactus, and he defeated a elite Sky Father in Odin, also feeds on hatred, physical contact. Destroyer even gives Odin to pause, and it Disintegration beam can kill sky father level beings. Team 2 can split or get more wins!!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Silver Age Mangog Abstract/Sky Father level
Destroyer Sky Father level and beyond
Trion Juggernaut High Trans level
HOTM Hulk High Trans level
Thor w/ power High Trans level

by no means a stomp for team one, at his peak Silver age Mangog was 25 ft tall 35,000 lbs and was powers stated to be up their with Galactus, and he defeated a elite Sky Father in Odin, also feeds on hatred, physical contact. Destroyer even gives Odin to pause, and it Disintegration beam can kill sky father level beings. Team 2 can split or get more wins!!

Omega basically couldn't be defeated unless the MM was destroyed. He was also unstoppable, so how does team 2 stop him?

Remember this was a guy where PC bricks were bouncing off of him.

It will come down to a couple guys from each team. Even though I voted Team Mangog, Team Validus still makes me smile at such baddassness. Ess.

Honestly, very cool teams. They could get together and become some sort of omniversal Avengers/JLA that only deals with Abstract and above level threats.

Originally posted by Horrificus
It will come down to a couple guys from each team. Even though I voted Team Mangog, Team Validus still makes me smile at such baddassness. Ess.

Honestly, very cool teams. They could get together and become some sort of omniversal Avengers/JLA that only deals with Abstract and above level threats.


If either of the teams teamed up, could they take down Marvel/DC earth?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Omega basically couldn't be defeated unless the MM was destroyed. He was also unstoppable, so how does team 2 stop him?

Remember this was a guy where PC bricks were bouncing off of him. Why would you put him in the thread then...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Why would you put him in the thread then...

Because I'm an evil bastard. That, and I think it would still be a good fight.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Omega basically couldn't be defeated unless the MM was destroyed. He was also unstoppable, so how does team 2 stop him?

Remember this was a guy where PC bricks were bouncing off of him.

Omega and SA Mangog would cancel each other out truth be told, Mangog served Asgard by himself, even PC Validus couldn't do that he would've got served by Odin, and PC Validus was afraid of PC Darkseid and got devolved back to a child by DS, and PC Darkseid and SA Odin are peers in my book. The rest leans more towars Team 2 IMO

Originally posted by the Darkone
Omega and SA Mangog would cancel each other out truth be told, Mangog served Asgard by himself, even PC Validus couldn't do that he would've got served by Odin, and PC Validus was afraid of PC Darkseid and got devolved back to a child by DS, and PC Darkseid and SA Odin are peers in my book. The rest leans more towars Team 2 IMO

Omega and Mangog are pretty similar. Mangog represents the hate of a billion beings. Omega represents the hate of the entire universe.

Validus vs the Destroyer would be a good fight.

Superboy Prime vs Juggernaut= Juggernaut

Thor vs GA Captain Marvel= Billy

PC Superman vs Hulk=Superman.

Those are my matchups.

Team 1 easily.

Originally posted by Galan007
Team 1 easily. I object!

Originally posted by Golgo13
If either of the teams teamed up, could they take down Marvel/DC earth?

Any of you bitches want to answer my question?

Team 1 easily. LOL @mangog wanking. Omega gave Mon-el a concussion by the shockwaves of his punches. Mangog would get oneshotted or twoshotted here.

Originally posted by Golgo13
If either of the teams teamed up, could they take down Marvel/DC earth? Personally, I say yes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Team 1 easily. LOL @mangog wanking. Omega gave Mon-el a concussion by the shockwaves of his punches. Mangog would get oneshotted or twoshotted here. There is a powerful Gheyness about you.

Lol at your Tourettes Syndrome posts.

There is a shocking new fad moving through society and it involves Thinking Before Speaking. It's crazy!

Mangog spent his first 3 story arcs walking around Asgard like he owned it. Half the time, he was carrying Odin around like an American Girl doll and the other half he was coming up with funnier ways to render Thor unconscious with the least amount of effort.

Asgard makes the Best Villains!

That's not enough proof that he can match Omega, though. Omega has more backing him in terms of hate.

So intentional spite thread or unintentional?

Unintentionally tentional....or Tententionally Unintnentional?

My local Omniversal dimensions shudder from the mere anticipation of exchanged blows.

In the end, I lean toward T1.

Originally posted by Golgo13
That's not enough proof that he can match Omega, though. Omega has more backing him in terms of hate. But, it was stated that Mangog doesn't just get his power from the billion billion beings.
He gets it from ANY hate and violence, directed at him or not. He even absorbed adoration and love when he impersonated Odin in the 3rd story arc.
Even after Odin released the beings that made up Mangog, he returned as strong as ever, or stronger. Meaning, he was now getting his power from these other sources as well.
I know Omega had decent feats, but they do not eclipse the feats of Mangog.
As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure that Omega was actually harmed or showed pain from attacks against him. Even against Odin, Thor and all of Asgard's advanced super-weaponry, Mangog never showed any sign of injury or even pain.
And his attacks were consistently devastating beyond anything that had ever been written in the Asgard books, by any other villains, with constant narration to point out how high these feats were.

Yeah, yeah. I know. Wank, wank, wank.

Originally posted by Horrificus
But, it was stated that Mangog doesn't just get his power from the billion billion beings.
He gets it from ANY hate and violence, directed at him or not. He even absorbed adoration and love when he impersonated Odin in the 3rd story arc.
Even after Odin released the beings that made up Mangog, he returned as strong as ever, or stronger. Meaning, he was now getting his power from these other sources as well.
I know Omega had decent feats, but they do not eclipse the feats of Mangog.
As a matter of fact, I am pretty sure that Omega was actually harmed or showed pain from attacks against him. Even against Odin, Thor and all of Asgard's advanced super-weaponry, Mangog never showed any sign of injury or even pain.
And his attacks were consistently devastating beyond anything that had ever been written in the Asgard books, by any other villains, with constant narration to point out how high these feats were.

Yeah, yeah. I know. Wank, wank, wank.

When did it show he was in pain or almost defeated? He can't be killed without destroying the MM, which is what Matter Eater Lad ate. Insane feat. Please show the scans, because I don't remember this.

Originally posted by Golgo13
When did it show he was in pain or almost defeated? He can't be killed without destroying the MM, which is what Matter Eater Lad ate. Insane feat. Please show the scans, because I don't remember this. I might even be wrong about that, but I will try to look and post.

Personally, I liked the feat of Matter Eater Lad eating the Miracle Machine.

Galan should post the scans again.

And, yeah, Matter Eater Lad could eat ANYTHING.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Galan should post the scans again.

And, yeah, Matter Eater Lad could eat ANYTHING. I bet he was a big fan of eating protein matter

Originally posted by the Darkone
Silver Age Mangog Abstract/Sky Father level
Destroyer Sky Father level and beyond
Trion Juggernaut High Trans level
HOTM Hulk High Trans level
Thor w/ power High Trans level

by no means a stomp for team one, at his peak Silver age Mangog was 25 ft tall 35,000 lbs and was powers stated to be up their with Galactus, and he defeated a elite Sky Father in Odin, also feeds on hatred, physical contact. Destroyer even gives Odin to pause, and it Disintegration beam can kill sky father level beings. Team 2 can split or get more wins!!

Mangog was never a Galactus-level being. He's quite overrated actually. His best days are long gone.

personally i think team 2 pwns 7/10 mangog is a very powerful being with unlimited fury fighting power neither of the super boys can do a thing against mangog and thor with a power gem is not going to lose easily to anyone on team 1 cept omega and further more trion juggs has full power of cyttorak? how is he getting solo'd? thats just dumb cyttorak is as powerful as anyone on that list again except omega i think team 2 owns

Originally posted by Dampyre
Mangog was never a Galactus-level being. He's quite overrated actually. His best days are long gone. I didn't mean that he was at the same level as Galactus. I just meant that he often presents in mostly physical ways, when he is not really a physical being.

Originally posted by Galan007
Team 1 easily.

I'm honestly baffled people think team 2 has a chance here. Mangog is the only one on team 2 who holds a candle to team 1.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Galan should post the scans again.

And, yeah, Matter Eater Lad could eat ANYTHING. MEL eats the Miracle Machine:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14166967/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14166970/2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14166973/3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14166976/4.jpg.html

That feat nearly drove him insane, but so what? The dude devoured an infinite amount of energy rite thur.

Originally posted by Galan007
The dude devoured an infinite amount of energy rite thur. C'mon! That' no way to talk about his Girlfriend.

Originally posted by Galan007
MEL eats the Miracle Machine:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14166967/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14166970/2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14166973/3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14166976/4.jpg.html

That feat nearly drove him insane, but so what? The dude devoured an infinite amount of energy rite thur.

Nice now was omega hurt by anything?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Nice now was omega hurt by anything?
Nope.

Well, I don't think there has ever been a more blatant idea theft than this. Omega, basically IS Mangog. His dialogue and even his march to the Miracle Machine is almost verbatim to Mangog's march toward the Twilight Sword.

It's a good thing that Mangog actually had his own power, unlike Omega, otherwise he would have never returned. The way Omega was never able to return. Destroying the Miracle Machine destroyed his power. Which is sad.

Originally posted by Galan007
MEL eats the Miracle Machine:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14166967/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14166970/2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14166973/3.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14166976/4.jpg.html

That feat nearly drove him insane, but so what? The dude devoured an infinite amount of energy rite thur.

It DID drive him insane.

Crazy feat, yeah. That's pretty much akin to devouring a cosmic cube or Infinity Gauntlet.

Thor and Odin were unable to make Mangog even flinch.


But,



Timberwolf almost puts Omega on his a$$.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_SuperboyLSH251-11.jpg


Ultra Boy sends Omega flying.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_SuperboyLSH251-06.jpg


Doesn't look that tough at all. He has much less feats that Mangog. And, the feats he does have, pale in comparison than Mangog.

His little fights in this story are totally unimpressive again, mostly unimpressive characters.

Mangog would destroy this character, regardless of what they try and claim him to be.

He gave Mon-El a concussion with a shockwave. That is nothing compared to the numerous ko's against Thor and Odin and others.

Originally posted by cdtm
It DID drive him insane.

Crazy feat, yeah. That's pretty much akin to devouring a cosmic cube or Infinity Gauntlet. This opens the door to many new "vs" possibilities.

Matter Eater Lad, in essence, ATE Omega. And, yes, it would be comparable to easting a cosmic cube, Infinity Gauntlet.

I bet he could actually EAT some of the most powerful entities in comic books. Has he ever been used like that? Any experts out there that know this character?

Could he eat Validus or Mangog.

He can eat anything and at super speed too.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He can eat anything and at super speed too. That's freaking awesome!
Matter Eater Lad. New Favorite Character.

He appeared not too long ago.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3664/198644-87664-matter-eater-lad_large.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/1040898-matter_2_large.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/1040897-matter_1_large.jpg

Originally posted by Golgo13
He appeared not too long ago.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3664/198644-87664-matter-eater-lad_large.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/1040898-matter_2_large.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/1040897-matter_1_large.jpg Excellent.
I guess I have my reading planned for the weekend.

Is he going to eat the kid?

It was only a small part and he saved the kid from a burning car, IIRC.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Thor and Odin were unable to make Mangog even flinch.


But,



Timberwolf almost puts Omega on his a$$.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_SuperboyLSH251-11.jpg


Ultra Boy sends Omega flying.
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/th_SuperboyLSH251-06.jpg


Doesn't look that tough at all. He has much less feats that Mangog. And, the feats he does have, pale in comparison than Mangog.

His little fights in this story are totally unimpressive again, mostly unimpressive characters.

Mangog would destroy this character, regardless of what they try and claim him to be.

He gave Mon-El a concussion with a shockwave. That is nothing compared to the numerous ko's against Thor and Odin and others.

Omega wasn't close to being defeated in those pics and don't knock Mon-El, during the PC days, he was said to be stronger than PC Superboy and this is a kid who toed like 18 planets across the universe like it was nothing.

Casually KOing Mon-El is very impressive.

Omega would crush most of these guys between his thumb and forefinger

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is he going to eat the kid? Is the kid made of "matter"?
Because, if he is...

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Omega would crush most of these guys between his thumb and forefinger TBH, Mon-El is a nice ko, but there just aren't any other serious feats for this guy. Not compared to Mangog. There is no comparison.

He was easily considered stronger than Validus, who was stronger than 12 PC Kryptonians combined. He could casually walk at massively FTL speeds.

Mangog was the manifestation of the hate of an entire galaxy or something, Omega was the manifestation of all the hate in the universe. In fact if Mangog feels hate at all that effectively makes him part of Omega.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
He was easily considered stronger than Validus, who was stronger than 12 PC Kryptonians combined. He could casually walk at massively FTL speeds.

Mangog was the manifestation of the hate of an entire galaxy or something, Omega was the manifestation of all the hate in the universe. In fact if Mangog feels hate at all that effectively makes him part of Omega. That comparison was made between Omega and Validus, but it wasn't shown. Mangog didn't have any boundaries placed on the source of his power. It was never said that it was from the galaxy or the universe. It was from everywhere. And, it wasn't just hate. He pulled power from other emotions and sentiments.

And, actually, Omega stated that the source of his power was the miracle machine.

Team 1 pretty comfortably imo

I agree with Horrificus, Classic Mangog was beast of a brick that feed on not just hatred through out the universe, but also physical contact and energy especially magic which made him stronger, Mangog by panel feats >>> Omega, IMO Mangog and Omega would cancel each other out, this fight is closer than people think, Destroyer can slag some serious foes on team 1.

Remember, Cap's true invulnerability. Don't see actual force beating him.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Thor and Odin were unable to make Mangog even flinch.



Thor knocked around Mangog pretty badly when he teamed up with that Thanos clone?

When did Odin fight Mangog? wasn't he in the Odin sleep when he first attacked Asgard?

You're referring Dan Jurgens' Mangog, which is a weaker interpretation of Silver Age Mangog.

Anyway, how is this not spite? Honestly.

What's with the attempt(s) at low-balling Omega by using scans that don't prove... Anything..?

*cracks knuckles*

Here pre-crisis Superboy effortlessly tows 13 planets (that I could count) behind him:


Despite possessing THAT level of strength, Superboy states Validus is "a DOZEN" times more powerful than he is:


Validus demonstrates said superiority by stomping Superboy (literally):

Hell, Superboy almost KO'd himself just by running into Val.

Val also possessed energy attacks (mental lightning) so potent that, even in a drastically weakened state, he was able to fend off a Sun Eater:

And back then, Sun Eaters were powerful enough to destroy entire galaxies. In fact, the one Val sent packing did destroy a galaxy.

---

Now that Val's power level has been solidified, lets move on to Omega...

*cracks neck*

Both Mon-El and Superboy(of whom have BOTH battled Validus on several occasions) stated Omega was stronger. Omega then proceeds to own Mon-El with a single blow(a blow that would take Mon-El out of commission for multiple issues):




Omega goes on to KO Superboy and Ultraman:






Owns Colossal Boy:



Tanks Wildfire's full force anti-matter energy attack:




The ONLY way Omega could be stopped was by destroying the Miracle Machine-- a task Matter-Eater Lad alone was capable of.




In short: pre-crisis characters of THAT magnitude barely even managed to knock Omega down, much less cause him any type of harm. Wtf is this team supposed to do to him?

Originally posted by Galan007
What's with the attempt(s) at low-balling Omega by using scans that don't prove... Anything..?

*cracks knuckles*

Here pre-crisis Superboy effortlessly tows 13 planets (that I could count) behind him:


Despite possessing THAT level of strength, Superboy states Validus is "a DOZEN" times more powerful than he is:


Validus demonstrates said superiority by stomping Superboy (literally):

Hell, Superboy almost KO'd himself just by running into Val.

Val also possessed energy attacks (mental lightning) so potent that, even in a drastically weakened state, he was able to fend off a Sun Eater:

And back then, Sun Eaters were powerful enough to destroy entire galaxies. In fact, the one Val sent packing did destroy a galaxy.

---

Now that Val's power level has been solidified, lets move on to Omega...

*cracks neck*

Both Mon-El and Superboy(of whom have BOTH battled Validus on several occasions) stated Omega was stronger. Omega then proceeds to own Mon-El with a single blow(a blow that would take Mon-El out of commission for multiple issues):




Omega goes on to KO Superboy and Ultraman:






Owns Colossal Boy:



Tanks Wildfire's full force anti-matter energy attack:




The ONLY way Omega could be stopped was by destroying the Miracle Machine-- a task Matter-Eater Lad alone was capable of.




In short: pre-crisis characters of THAT magnitude barely even managed to knock Omega down, much less cause him any type of harm. Wtf is this team supposed to do to him?

That why Im saying IMO Mangog and Omega will cancel each other out!

Double ko?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Double ko?

If possible, I see more like when JLA created another PC Shaggy Man to battle the original PC Shaggy Man, never ending battle IMO!

Originally posted by the Darkone
That why Im saying IMO Mangog and Omega will cancel each other out!
No.

That was more than 13 planets, notice how the line of planets curves off into the background to be too small to be seen. And the dialogue indicates it was all the inhabited planets in an entire galaxy.

There are ~400 billion stars in our galaxy, assuming each star has an average of 5 planets (this is probably lowballing), DC verse has tons of alien races... even on multiple planets in the same system (Earth and Mars, Saturn...) so to lowball it again let's say 1 out of every 100 planets in inhabited. So he would be towing some 20 billion planets.

I've never had any luck googling which issue the Superboy feat happened in.

Anybody know?

Originally posted by cdtm
I've never had any luck googling which issue the Superboy feat happened in.

Anybody know?
Superboy 140.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superboy 140.

So what was the deal with the green comet?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
So what was the deal with the green comet?
It was a kryptonite comet. The planet-towing was like a chore to superboy, totally un-related to other part of the comic.

Omega's real problem is poor design. It looks minimally considered, like Clayface breaking out from rotten steroids. Mangog (especially as drawn by King Kirby), truly looked monstrous and grotesque, not at all like a humanoid pustule.

I'd like to have seen Kirby draw Omega, or Validus for that matter.

In any event, I don't necessarily see Omega matched with Mangog. PC Validus will do just fine.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
That was more than 13 planets, notice how the line of planets curves off into the background to be too small to be seen. And the dialogue indicates it was all the inhabited planets in an entire galaxy.

There are ~400 billion stars in our galaxy, assuming each star has an average of 5 planets (this is probably lowballing), DC verse has tons of alien races... even on multiple planets in the same system (Earth and Mars, Saturn...) so to lowball it again let's say 1 out of every 100 planets in inhabited. So he would be towing some 20 billion planets. lol, or just the 13 give or take shown....

"countless billion lives", well how many people ever lived in earth's history? idunno, countless billions sounds about right, though

Originally posted by abhilegend
No.

Like I care, Mangog and Omega will cancel each other out!!

so your telling me superboy can tow behind him with a rope 20 billion planets r u just dumb? or yet another dc fanboy lol these are starting to get out of control when people say dumb things thats WAY overboard 20 BILLION planets? do you know how much a planet weighs? thers nothing in any comic book with that kind of strength

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
so your telling me superboy can tow behind him with a rope 20 billion planets r u just dumb? or yet another dc fanboy lol these are starting to get out of control when people say dumb things thats WAY overboard 20 BILLION planets? do you know how much a planet weighs? thers nothing in any comic book with that kind of strength


That's PC Superboy and other PC characters were written ridiculous, Superboy Prime is the only one that has demonstrated it. Lets take their average like PC Superman he will have problems in this especially against Destroyer, Juggernaut and Thor, by no means it's a wash for Team 1!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Like I care, Mangog and Omega will cancel each other out!! Originally posted by abhilegend
No.
Your opinion doesn't changes facts.

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
so your telling me superboy can tow behind him with a rope 20 billion planets r u just dumb? or yet another dc fanboy lol these are starting to get out of control when people say dumb things thats WAY overboard 20 BILLION planets? do you know how much a planet weighs? thers nothing in any comic book with that kind of strength
Scans are there for you kid.

Originally posted by Mindship
Omega's real problem is poor design. It looks minimally considered, like Clayface breaking out from rotten steroids. Mangog (especially as drawn by King Kirby), truly looked monstrous and grotesque, not at all like a humanoid pustule.

I'd like to have seen Kirby draw Omega, or Validus for that matter.

In any event, I don't necessarily see Omega matched with Mangog. PC Validus will do just fine. is anything in LOSH truly inspired work?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
is anything in LOSH truly inspired work?
You'd have to read them first.

Ummmm Listen, I think Team 1 wins.. but let's not exaggerate Omega and Validus here. Imo no selling blows and blasts from Odin imo is just as impressive, if not more so, that doing the same for PC SB. To me, SA Mangog is every bit as impressive as those two. That said, I still think one wins because I think they are overall more formidable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Your opinion doesn't changes facts.


Im going by panel feats, Omega and SA Mangog are peers, it will end in a stalemate!!

Originally posted by psycho gundam
is anything in LOSH truly inspired work? Artwise? True enough that pretty much anything will pale in the glare of Kirby Krackle. But I always liked that Validus has no eyes.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Im going by panel feats, Omega and SA Mangog are peers, it will end in a stalemate!!
Mangog is beneath validus. What is mangog's best feat? Beating odin who at best a galaxy-buster in a shared feat? Validus while weakened fend off a being who was casually busting galaxies solo and destroyed a galaxy in the same arc. you mangog wankers were trying to sell mangog as being equal to omega for years and when it was reavealed there was someone even tougher than validus, you left validus and started chanting "Omega and mangog are peers, I said so". Mangog koed classic thor who is even less durable than post-crisis superman and Odin who wasn't that great durability wise. Validus and omega were flattening pre-crisis kryptonians and daxamites while not even paying attentions to them. There is no comparison here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mangog is beneath validus. What is mangog's best feat? Beating odin who at best a galaxy-buster in a shared feat? Validus while weakened fend off a being who was casually busting galaxies solo and destroyed a galaxy in the same arc. you mangog wankers were trying to sell mangog as being equal to omega for years and when it was reavealed there was someone even tougher than validus, you left validus and started chanting "Omega and mangog are peers, I said so". Mangog koed classic thor who is even less durable than post-crisis superman and Odin who wasn't that great durability wise. Validus and omega were flattening pre-crisis kryptonians and daxamites while not even paying attentions to them. There is no comparison here.

That your opinion, not fact. Classic Mangog is above PC Validus who got devolved by a Sky Father level being in PC Darkseid, and SA Mangog beat SA Odin who is a peer of PC Darkseid, Mangog defeated the rest of Asgard and weapons like they were gnats and it took SA Odin to kill himself to beat MAngog who feeds on hatred, magic, physical attacks who is most likely Avatar of Hate, Omega and Mangog are peers, Shaggy Man Valdis would be more like peers. It took PIS too take out Mangog same with Omega, these two will cancel each other out.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You'd have to read them first. cop out response.

Originally posted by Galan007
What's with the attempt(s) at low-balling Omega by using scans that don't prove... Anything..?Well, I did that because Carver made me do it.

*Snickers at Galan's preparation and begins to do splits, a la Jean-Claude Van Damme, sans the hairlessness.*

I'll get back to you on all that there.

*Scoffs at Galan's display and immediately moves into threatening yoga poses!*

I counted the number of real feats for Omega and it took me a while because it came out to almost 3.

I am going to dive into my "Reliquia Librorum". Then I will eat a sandwich, perhaps salami and provolone.

Then I will return.

fatass

Originally posted by Galan007
Here pre-crisis Superboy effortlessly tows 13 planets (that I could count) behind him:



Validus demonstrates said superiority by stomping Superboy (literally):

Hell, Superboy almost KO'd himself just by running into Val.
"Strikes with the power of 1000 H-bombs."

Did this spite thread not become a spite thread since last I checked?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Did this spite thread not become a spite thread since last I checked? We found out Validus is like 12 000 H-bombs, and that would make Omega like 13 000, 14 000 maybe?

Originally posted by the Darkone
That your opinion, not fact. Classic Mangog is above PC Validus who got devolved by a Sky Father level being in PC Darkseid, and SA Mangog beat SA Odin who is a peer of PC Darkseid, Mangog defeated the rest of Asgard and weapons like they were gnats and it took SA Odin to kill himself to beat MAngog who feeds on hatred, magic, physical attacks who is most likely Avatar of Hate, Omega and Mangog are peers, Shaggy Man Valdis would be more like peers. It took PIS too take out Mangog same with Omega, these two will cancel each other out.
Because he was the one who created validus. None of these guys possess reality warping and that's why that feat is meaningless here. Its not like mangog fared any better against Odin once he actually used his powers.

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20 billion planets was an estimate based on the fact that he had to evacuate an entire galaxy.

I suppose he could have done it in multiple trips, but it still couldn't have taken that long so either each trip had a ton of planets or he made billions of trips in a short amount of time, making it a great speed feat.

...not to mention: he was able to cancel out inertial tidal forces, tectonic shifting and planetquakes as he moved the worlds; he neutralized extreme cold as he pulled each from its star; kept planetary atmospheres intact; totally bypassed any relativistic effects, OR, was able to produce a stable and consistent warp metric 100s of 1000s of miles long; and on and on...

Originally posted by Endless Mike
20 billion planets was an estimate based on the fact that he had to evacuate an entire galaxy.

I suppose he could have done it in multiple trips, but it still couldn't have taken that long so either each trip had a ton of planets or he made billions of trips in a short amount of time, making it a great speed feat. Or that Galaxy just didn't have a lot of planets with Sentient beings on it

Originally posted by Mindship
...not to mention: he was able to cancel out inertial tidal forces, tectonic shifting and planetquakes as he moved the worlds; he neutralized extreme cold as he pulled each from its star; kept planetary atmospheres intact; totally bypassed any relativistic effects, OR, was able to produce a stable and consistent warp metric 100s of 1000s of miles long; and on and on...

Inventing new powers on the fly was his specialty, after all

Originally posted by Endless Mike
That was more than 13 planets, notice how the line of planets curves off into the background to be too small to be seen. "That I could count."

Originally posted by Horrificus
Well, I did that because Carver made me do it. You needn't say more.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
"Strikes with the power of 1000 H-bombs." Gotta love the power descriptions in silver age comics. In one scene you have Superboy throwing planets and stars around like ping pong balls. In another scene you have his power being compared to 1,000 H-bombs.

I guess it's no different than LT making a star go nova and calling that his ultimate judgement-- or the totality of a Guardian's power being compared to "a dozen hurricanes." Silly stuff.

Originally posted by Galan007
Gotta love the power descriptions in silver age comics. In one scene you have Superboy throwing planets and stars around like ping pong balls. In another scene you have his power being compared to 1,000 H-bombs.

I guess it's no different than LT making a star go nova and calling that his ultimate judgement-- or the totality of a Guardian's power being compared to "a dozen hurricanes." Silly stuff. Sentry's million exploding suns... shifty

Originally posted by the Darkone
Silver Age Mangog Abstract/Sky Father level
Destroyer Sky Father level and beyond
Trion Juggernaut High Trans level
HOTM Hulk High Trans level
Thor w/ power High Trans level

by no means a stomp for team one, at his peak Silver age Mangog was 25 ft tall 35,000 lbs and was powers stated to be up their with Galactus, and he defeated a elite Sky Father in Odin, also feeds on hatred, physical contact. Destroyer even gives Odin to pause, and it Disintegration beam can kill sky father level beings. Team 2 can split or get more wins!! Lmao
Mangog never defeated a non weakened Odin. Odin has defeated Mangog. I thought you read about it.

Destroyer has tussled with normal Thor many times. The fact their fights lasted so long shows that Destroyer isn't a Skyfather at all but a trans.

Mangog lacks physical power to even harm anyone here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because he was the one who created validus. None of these guys possess reality warping and that's why that feat is meaningless here. Its not like mangog fared any better against Odin once he actually used his powers.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/14198984_thor157180fi.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/14198985_thor157197gy.jpg Odin resurrecting a race of beings as an indirect way of cutting Mangog off from his power, amidst constant reminders that Odin cannot defeat Mangog in battle, is hardly a combat feat that is going to help in a forum match.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Odin resurrecting a race of beings as an indirect way of cutting Mangog off from his power, amidst constant reminders that Odin cannot defeat Mangog in battle, is hardly a combat feat that is going to help in a forum match.
He beat mangog however he did. Who reminded odin cn't beat mangog considering he was actually referred as "A spell of odin given form". Considering he beat mangog in a battle, its a combat feat unless you think only punching is a combat feat. Also in Thor 250 mangog accepted that he is no match for odin.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He beat mangog however he did. Who reminded odin cn't beat mangog considering he was actually referred as "A spell of odin given form". Considering he beat mangog in a battle, its a combat feat unless you think only punching is a combat feat. Also in Thor 250 mangog accepted that he is no match for odin. He did not beat Mangog in a battle.

If that were true, according to your thinking, Matter Eater lad defeated Omega in battle.

Is that where you want to go with this? Seriously?

Mangog stated that because he lost each time he went up against Odin, but Odin has never beaten him in combat.

And, many more times has Odin stated that he is no match for Mangog. Odin has stated this MANY times. But, according to you, those statements get thrown out and this one statement by Mangog, taken out of context, is the one that should stand.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lmao
Mangog never defeated a non weakened Odin. Odin has defeated Mangog. I thought you read about it.

One time, Odin defeated Mangog by resurrecting the race that feeds Mangog, because there was no way to defeat him in battle.

It is said over and over and over in these stories. And, since I am seeing many posts of panels posted by pro-Omega and pro-Validus members, that are using the opinions and statement of characters in the stories, there should be no reason to deny the same type of evidence in the support of Mangog.

In this second Mangog story, after we watch Mangog abuse all of Asgard, including Thor and Odin, over and over, Odin is finally able to do away with Mangog by the same type of formula. After several books that focus on the fact that Odin is broken in spirit and terrified of the fact that he cannot defeat Mangog and Mangog is on his way to kill them all, once again, Odin resorts to another disconnection of Mangog from his power as the only solution.

In this second story Odin is manhandled 2 times by Mangog at 2 separate times. Although it is an Odin that is tired from all the magic he has expended during the battle.

In these 4 panels, Odin starts at Full Strength, then Mangog topples the entire army that Odin is leading against Mangog. Then, as Mangog approaches, Odin chickens out and, for the sake of "a thousand universes", according to Odin, he shunts Asgard completely off of the 616 plane of existence, so when Mangog draws the Twilight Sword, it will not end a thousand universes. But, before he does this, Odin is at full power.

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Odin proves again and again, that the only way to battle Mangog, is for him not to engage Mangog in any form of head on attack.

Originally posted by Horrificus
He did not beat Mangog in a battle.

If that were true, according to your thinking, Matter Eater lad defeated Omega in battle.

Is that where you want to go with this? Seriously?

Mangog stated that because he lost each time he went up against Odin, but Odin has never beaten him in combat.

And, many more times has Odin stated that he is no match for Mangog. Odin has stated this MANY times. But, according to you, those statements get thrown out and this one statement by Mangog, taken out of context, is the one that should stand. Let me try to put these events into the proper context.

Here is that finale. Odin states that he is weakened from the battle against Mangog. Then, after bathing in the waters of the Twilight Well, Odin's power is extended. From there, he goes after Mangog and even with his extended power, all he can do, is cut Mangog off from his power source, again.
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Originally posted by Horrificus
He did not beat Mangog in a battle.

If that were true, according to your thinking, Matter Eater lad defeated Omega in battle.

Is that where you want to go with this? Seriously?

Mangog stated that because he lost each time he went up against Odin, but Odin has never beaten him in combat.

And, many more times has Odin stated that he is no match for Mangog. Odin has stated this MANY times. But, according to you, those statements get thrown out and this one statement by Mangog, taken out of context, is the one that should stand.
He stopped mangog in his tracks casually and shut him off from his power which is actually Odin's spell given form. That's what is called beating someone in combat. That's not a low feat in slightest, all the legion members combined couldn't put a scratch on miracle machine and neither could time trapper.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He stopped mangog in his tracks casually and shut him off from his power which is actually Odin's spell given form. That's what is called beating someone in combat. That's not a low feat in slightest, all the legion members combined couldn't put a scratch on miracle machine and neither could time trapper. The facts are:

1. Odin and other supporting characters in those story arcs state that Odin cannot defeat Mangog and Odin fears Mangog. This was stated several times and cannot be ignored.
2. Each time Mangog was temporarily defeated, it was through a "backdoor" and not through combat. Odin, who is more powerful than any characters in Team Validus, was unable to defeat Mangog in combat.
3. The ways that Odin disconnected Mangog from his power-source could NEVER be reproduced by any of the characters on Team Validus.
4. Odin is more powerful than the members of Team Validus.

And, this is only addressing the angle I am using that holds Odin as the measuring stick. There are other statements made in these stories, that I have posted above, that are above the few statements made in support of Omega or Validus.

And, there are more that I haven't posted, because, frankly, I shouldn't have to post entire story arcs just because opposition has not read them, or doesn't remember them.

The books are filled with constant statements and feats that say and show Mangog is unbeatable in combat. Period.

Further arguments would be:

1. Mangog is further empowered by the Hate of Omega.
2. Mangog is further empowered by the Violence of Validus or Omega.
3. Mangog has been shown to also access other power-sources.
4. Mangog is more powerful than Mangog or Omega.
5. Mangog cannot be permanently destroyed, as Odin stated.
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I would also think Omega could stand up to Odin.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I would also think Omega could stand up to Odin. The only problem with Omega is the lack of feats and book time.

He showed up, did some minimal stuff, a couple characters made some statements, then he was gone.

He needed PIS to defeat him, though. Not even the combined LOSH could scratch him. That's enough in my book.

Originally posted by Golgo13
He needed PIS to defeat him, though. Not even the combined LOSH could scratch him. That's enough in my book. And, do you honestly believe that the LoSH that went after Omega, would have stood a chance against Odin? I mean, there is a good chance that they wouldn't be able to take down Thor, as powerful as some of them are.
But, never Odin.
And the LoSH were able to stagger Omega. Nothing scratched, or even really effected Mangog.
Mangog walked THROUGH:
- Ulik (who released Mangog)
- Multiple hammer attacks from Thor, (sometimes, while walking around, holding Thor in his hand and ignoring the multiple strikes to a single spot on his body, while he converses)
- Many Thor Lightning attacks
- Odin, at full power and weakened, (Physical and Magical)
- Kartag (who actually defeated Thor)
- Entire Asgardian Armies on 2 or more occasions (on with a Full Power Odin at the lead)
- The Odinian Force Arrow
- And the Cosmic Bolt, which was supposedly Asgard's "Most Powerful Weapon". (and think of Asgards enemies. For this to be said about the weapon, it is meant to be taken literally)

Ulik said he was nothing to Mangog and this is Classic Ulik, before being used as Marvel Fodder.

Kartag was the keeper of the Twilight Well, which is a double of the well Odin drew his power from. Kartag was a notch below Odin, with size, strength and mystical abilities to match. Mangog aced him in a single attack.

An all out losh? Id say yes. Imo they are the most powerful, well rounded team of all time.

Originally posted by Golgo13
An all out losh? Id say yes. Imo they are the most powerful, well rounded team of all time. And you think they could defeat Odin? OK. Well, I can't go there with you, so I will have to rest my case on that note.

If anybody has trouble opening those thumbnails, let me know. Thanks.

Yep. Three pc bricks, a powerful mage, beings who can control the fundamental forces, a pre cog and one of the smartest beings in comics, among others. They were stacked.

they were plot devices