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I seriously believe Post Retcon Beyonder can win. If Spiderman remade ALL CREATION with his power, I think a motivated Beyonder would destroy MJJ.

Originally posted by zopzop
I seriously believe Post Retcon Beyonder can win. If Spiderman remade ALL CREATION with his power, I think a motivated Beyonder would destroy MJJ.

When did he do that?

Originally posted by Golgo13
When did he do that?
During "Spiderman and the Secret Wars". He did it in a BILLIONTH of a SECOND because that how long he had the Beyonder's power!
Originally posted by Galan007
From Spider-Man: The Secret Wars 04...


Doom tells the tale of how he forcibly beat the Beyonder, and usurped his powers:

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8725/beyonder1.th.jpg http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4125/beyonder2.th.jpg

But before claiming said powers, they took a detour and entered Spider-Man.

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With Beyonder's powers, Spidey was able to..

a.) Physically rip Ultron in half -- quite a feat considering that version of Ultron was composed of primary Adamantium.
b.) Owns every 'villain' involved in SW, including Molecule Man and Galactus.
c.) Demonstrates time manipulation as a casual thing.

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/3059/beyonder6.th.jpg http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/4305/beyonder7.th.jpg


How do I know Spidey was manipulating time? Because he only possessed the Beyonder's powers for one billionth of a second in real time:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9836/beyonder8.th.jpg


-Spidey-
"In that moment, I gained the powers... I was everywhere, and everything, and everyone... In that moment, which is this moment, I remade ALL of creation":

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3306/beyonder3.th.jpg

Beyonder's power then flows into Doom.

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-Doom-
"This power I now possess reaches into the past, the future, ALL time and space":

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2250/beyonder4.th.jpg


Lastly, Doom knew that his own doubts fueled by Beyonder's powers would ultimately be his undoing. But before he was conquered, he subtly altered reality:

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/728/beyonder5.th.jpg


Taking into account all of the above, Beyonder's retcon(s) are once again... Questionable. srsly

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This is POST RETCON MM and Beyonder going at it and affecting multiverseS!
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
And to end on a high note, Molecule Man defeats The Beyonder, warping the entire multiverse in the process
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Molecule%20Man%20Respect%20Thread/th_vsBeyonder1.jpg http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Molecule%20Man%20Respect%20Thread/th_VsBeyonder2.jpg http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Molecule%20Man%20Respect%20Thread/th_VsBeyonder3.jpg http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Molecule%20Man%20Respect%20Thread/th_VsBeyonder4.jpg http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Molecule%20Man%20Respect%20Thread/th_VsBeyonder5.jpg http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Molecule%20Man%20Respect%20Thread/th_VsBeyonder6.jpg http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Molecule%20Man%20Respect%20Thread/th_VsBeyonder7.jpg
The damage this causes, gives the Time Variance Authority this much paperwork-
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Molecule%20Man%20Respect%20Thread/th_TVA1.jpg http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Molecule%20Man%20Respect%20Thread/th_TVA2.jpg

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Also, Beyonder, even post retcon Beyonder, is so important to the multiverse that killing him would have catastrophic effects on Creation.
Originally posted by AlmightyKfish

Kubik explains how Owen is potentially far more powerful than himself
http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Molecule%20Man%20Respect%20Thread/th_Equalandpotential.jpg http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Molecule%20Man%20Respect%20Thread/th_Equalandpotential2.jpg http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z259/almightykfish/Molecule%20Man%20Respect%20Thread/th_Equalandpotential3.jpg

MJJ

Originally posted by zopzop
I seriously believe Post Retcon Beyonder can win. If Spiderman remade ALL CREATION with his power, I think a motivated Beyonder would destroy MJJ.



This is spite against MJJ...

So post beyonder = to mxy?

i think u can count on one hand the ppl who can beat mjj and beyonder isnt one of them

Beyonder or Doom with Beyonder's powers or ... Doom without Beyonder's powers.

Originally posted by Golgo13
So post beyonder = to mxy?
It's hard to gauge.

I mean, Post Retcon Beyonder was only 1/2 a Cube Being; the other half being Molecule Man.

Then they formed into a complete Cube Being that became Kosmos with Owen being ejected from the Cube and sent to Earth. But before he merged with Beyonder to form the Cube, he left a TINY portion of his power with Marsha (his girlfriend/wife). He reclaimed that portion when he came to Earth.

Kosmos, the almost complete Cube Being, missing only the sliver of power Owen hid in Marsha, wasn't impressive at all. Sometime later, Kosmos became Maker and like Kosmos, wasn't impressive at all.

For some strange reason, the Beyonder persona, is the most powerful aspect of the Kosmos/Maker Cube Being. Even post retcon he did incredible crap as witnessed by the above scans.

How in the hell did Owen aka Molecule Man match and exceed that power having only a SLIVER of his former abilities was never explained.

Anyway, Maker wound up being beaten and imprisoned by Thanos in the Kylnn. She later died and was seen floating through space.

Later still, the Beyonder shows up in an Illumanati issue and is retconned into being a mutant Inhuman and exiles himself from 616 reality or something (which makes no sense seeing as how Maker died previously and Beyonder is an aspect of that Cube Being so he too should have been dead).

The character, and Molecule Man are a clusterfxxk story wise. Nothing about them makes sense. The countless conflicting retcons don't help either.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder


This is spite against MJJ...

No is not, MJJ was about to be God of the Omniverse

Originally posted by zopzop
It's hard to gauge.

I mean, Post Retcon Beyonder was only 1/2 a Cube Being; the other half being Molecule Man.

Then they formed into a complete Cube Being that became Kosmos with Owen being ejected from the Cube and sent to Earth. But before he merged with Beyonder to form the Cube, he left a TINY portion of his power with Marsha (his girlfriend/wife). He reclaimed that portion when he came to Earth.

Kosmos, the almost complete Cube Being, missing only the sliver of power Owen hid in Marsha, wasn't impressive at all. Sometime later, Kosmos became Maker and like Kosmos, wasn't impressive at all.

For some strange reason, the Beyonder persona, is the most powerful aspect of the Kosmos/Maker Cube Being. Even post retcon he did incredible crap as witnessed by the above scans.

How in the hell did Owen aka Molecule Man match and exceed that power having only a SLIVER of his former abilities was never explained.

Anyway, Maker wound up being beaten and imprisoned by Thanos in the Kylnn. She later died and was seen floating through space.

Later still, the Beyonder shows up in an Illumanati issue and is retconned into being a mutant Inhuman and exiles himself from 616 reality or something (which makes no sense seeing as how Maker died previously and Beyonder is an aspect of that Cube Being so he too should have been dead).

The character, and Molecule Man are a clusterfxxk story wise. Nothing about them makes sense. The countless conflicting retcons don't help either.

It makes sense when you consider that cosmic cubes in their immature forms are more powerful than the "mature" forms (that would be kubik, kosmos, shaper of worlds, etc) since the mature forms place limits on themselves, based in part on the "imprint" of those who handle them during development.

This is why owen and molecule man do the damage they do- since as part of a cube that has not learned to limit themselves, they can still do basically anything. Per Thanos, the power of a cube is infinite (or at least one level of infinity). what's a fraction of infinity? exactly.

That being said- i think post retcon beyonder gets the win here, simply because not only does the scope of his power seem more vast (affecting multiple universes simultaneously in the past, present, and future) but he (and those who briefly steal/borrow his power) seem a lot more skilled with it.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
It makes sense when you consider that cosmic cubes in their immature forms are more powerful than the "mature" forms (that would be kubik, kosmos, shaper of worlds, etc) since the mature forms place limits on themselves, based in part on the "imprint" of those who handle them during development.

This is why owen and molecule man do the damage they do- since as part of a cube that has not learned to limit themselves, they can still do basically anything. Per Thanos, the power of a cube is infinite (or at least one level of infinity). what's a fraction of infinity? exactly.

That being said- i think post retcon beyonder gets the win here, simply because not only does the scope of his power seem more vast (affecting multiple universes simultaneously in the past, present, and future) but he (and those who briefly steal/borrow his power) seem a lot more skilled with it.

D@m...

Excellent post!