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Its a slugfest. Win by KO or death. Who wins?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its a slugfest. Win by KO or death. Who wins?

Cap is vastly stronger, faster, better trained, and won't fatigue. If conan is in his prime, Cap is likely better experienced and a better tactician.

Conan's only advantage is that he's essentially bloodlusted all the time, but I can't see this helping.

This fight would last the two minutes it took for cap to incapacitate conan with pressure point attacks. Give the man a sword or something, he might last longer.

Cap.

Yeah, but Conan is still alpha as phuck.

Conan.

Their What If showdown, minus the sword, looks about right.

Originally posted by cdtm
Conan.

Their What If showdown, minus the sword, looks about right.

I honestly can't see how this happens.

I don't have the marvel run, but the Dark Horse conan (which is taken directly from the Robert E. Howard stories) gets a lot of mileage out of beating the tar out of lesser skilled opponents. Most of his enemies are unskilled thugs, guards, and barbarians.

Conan stands out by being more skilled than his opposition (usually..Janissa was just as skilled as he was, and they fought more or less to a draw) and keeping his wits about him in a melee. He was also given a pretty good fight by the pirate captain of the red brotherhood, who he beat to become the red brotherhood leader.

Against Cap? He gets curbstomped. Cap is fast enough that he's a blur to even daredevil's advanced senses. He's strong enough to carry around telephone poles and jump from planes with no parachute, and hit the ground running. Physically, conan isn't in the same weight class- and even if they were, Cap's endurance is superhuman. he can go hours at peak output without slowing down, and conan can't.

Conan doesn't do nearly as well vs. more powerful opponents. a Gorilla nearly killed him. Cap on the other hand has beaten Thunderstrike (!) and Hercules (!!!) in sparring matches using skill and leverage.

And finally- when speaking of fighting skill, conan's skills are basic. martial arts isn't really known at that point in time, and knowledge of pressure points and anatomy are thousands of years from being commonplace. Cap is proficient in every h2h fighting style that exists, and MAY be one of the top 5 MA's in the world, if not THE best. His skills would leave conan confused and bewildered- at least until he's taken out with a pressure point assault and KOed.

Conan has no shot here. Maybe against someone without enhanced stats.

I was with you until you said 'Martial Arts' wasn't known at this time.

Martial Arts isn't some shit that originated from Ancient China or some shit.

Every culture that has ever existed has had its own martial art. It simply means way of war. Which means Conan's brand of fighting, is his own brand of martial art.

Further more, there's not much variation to fighting anyway. People are people, and have limited ways they can move.

Skill is pointless to argue about. Cap wins because he's a shit ton faster and stronger. That's all that matters.

Cap wins after a tough fight.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Cap wins after a short fight.

People are underestimating conan. Cap is tough and all but conan is no slouch either. Oh and a slugfest means punching each other untill someone is koed, its pure strength and durability test. Some great feats here, take a look

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,238054.0.html

Did anyone notice that crazy durability feat for Cap recently.

It looked like he fell four stories high or more in that new recent avengers against Ex Nilho(or whatever his name is after he took a beating from there Robot and was KO'ed) Cap's durability is no joke.

I think it will be a tough fight but Cap edges Conan out by very little.

cap 7/10 maybe 8/10 hes more of a super human then conan stronger faster more durable all the stats needed to win a fist fight over someone lesser

Originally posted by abhilegend
People are underestimating conan. Cap is tough and all but conan is no slouch either. Oh and a slugfest means punching each other untill someone is koed, its pure strength and durability test. Some great feats here, take a look

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php/topic,238054.0.html Sayinh he loses isn't underestimating when he's up against Cap.

I'll definately grant that Conan is a badass. Dude can hand out some serious punishment, and take a solid beating from man and mythic creature alike then come back swinging. That being said, we're talking about the -perfect- man here. Not to mention Cap's vast ammounts of training and experience. Not to badmouth the Cimmerian or anything, but he really only stands a 2/5 shot. If that.

Cap > Conan.

But not by much.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Skill is pointless to argue about. Cap wins because he's a shit ton faster and stronger. That's all that matters.

There's some irony here. Not from you specifically, but in general.

Cap

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Did anyone notice that crazy durability feat for Cap recently.

It looked like he fell four stories high or more in that new recent avengers against Ex Nilho(or whatever his name is after he took a beating from there Robot and was KO'ed) Cap's durability is no joke.

I think it will be a tough fight but Cap edges Conan out by very little.
Conan did that too recently.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/conan_10_011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/conan_10_012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/conan_10_013.jpg

Also cap used a parachute when falling which was in flames but not entirely useless.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Conan did that too recently.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/conan_10_011.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/conan_10_012.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/conan_10_013.jpg

Also cap used a parachute when falling which was in flames but not entirely useless.

Oh, snap. Nice showing of durability there.

Cap just smacked into a four story building going terminal velocity after his ship broke up shortly after re-entry.

Originally posted by KingD19
Cap just smacked into a four story building going terminal velocity after his ship broke up shortly after re-entry.
He used a parachute.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/da_herbman/Avengers-Zone-019.jpg

That's either wreckage, or a flaming parachute. Even if it was a parachute, it didn't slow his fall enough to really matter.

And the difference between them is Conan fell onto a wagon. Cap slammed into a concrete building. Also, Cap was going terminal velocity as he'd just experienced re-entry. Conan was nowhere near that fast.

If that was a chute, where is the harness?

I think it was attached to his belt. Too lazy to post a bigger picture.

Anyway, it was set on fire... so that durability feat is still pretty impressive.

Cap also took a blasting from Gambit....

The thing about Cap is that he isn't just a one trick pony with durability feats to rely on. The wagon and the chute kind of take away from Conan/Cap feats.

Steve gets sent through some buildings.
http://imageshack.us/a/img201/8123/avengerszone008.th.jpg

Steve gets punched and sent many miles up in the sky.
http://imageshack.us/a/img690/8946/cabpfoof03015.th.jpg

Falling pretty high but its not the height that makes it impressive(Warmachine adds to it).
http://imageshack.us/a/img541/4127/secretavengers10007.th.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img209/4105/secretavengers10010.th.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img17/1531/secretavengers10011.th.jpg

I used 400% zoom and I still don't see a harness or a pack for the chute to have come out of.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I used 400% zoom and I still don't see a harness or a pack for the chute to have come out of.

*sigh*

http://i46.tinypic.com/sypjmf.jpg

His belt pouches?

Out of the 3 feets that I posted which one is the best?

Originally posted by Silent Master
His belt pouches?

It's a comic book, what did you expect?

I'm guessing the punch one from Warrior Woman.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Out of the 3 feets that I posted which one is the best?

The first one impressed me the most. 2nd one is crazy too, though.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's a comic book, what did you expect?

Ok, if I accept that, where is the rest of the harness, as in the part that allows him to remain upright and to control his descent?

Also, where are the remains of the chute in the next panel?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Ok, if I accept that, where is the rest of the harness, as in the part that allows him to remain upright and to control his descent?

Also, where are the remains of the chute in the next panel? The part that allows him to control his descent was left in the real world.

You don't see it in the next panel? It's up against the wall.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The first one impressed me the most. 2nd one is crazy too, though.


Thanks StiltmanFTW

Originally posted by Mindset
The part that allows him to control his descent was left in the real world.

You don't see it in the next panel? It's up against the wall.

I see something hit the wall hard enough to dislodge bricks, I doubt that was mean to be a chute.

But if we want to call that the chute, I'm fine with it because for a chute to cause that much damage it had to be traveling far faster than should be possible in the RL, which in turns makes Cap's feat all the more impressive.

Steve bounced off that wall.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I see something hit the wall hard enough to dislodge bricks, I doubt that was mean to be a chute.

But if we want to call that the chute, I'm fine with it because for a chute to cause that much damage it had to be traveling far faster than should be possible in the RL, which in turns makes Cap's feat all the more impressive. I don't want to be rude since I'm pretty chill on drugs, but this post is all kinds of stupid.Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Steve bounced off that wall.

Crap, you're right.

In my defense, I work night shift and haven't had a morning coffee yet.

It's cool, man.

Everything is cool.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmk28s74iG1qb1zqxo1_500.gif

Cap

I zoomed in and got distracted by caps shiny ass