Jamie Braddock Vs Franklin Richards

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Golgo13
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yaadaveyaa
franky

janus77
Galactus Jnr.

Golgo13
Jamie is universal level, right?

"Id"
Originally posted by Golgo13
Jamie is universal level, right? yup.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Golgo13

Jamie is universal level, right?
Nah.

Jamie wins here btw.

Bouboumaster
Jamie win

janus77
What's his best feat?

Golgo13
Yeah, what's his best feat?

Glorificus
Jamie warped the White Hot Room didn't he? Which is a pretty uber thing to do.

I'd say it's pretty close. Maybe slight edge to Adult Franklin.

Mr Master
Originally posted by janus77

What's his best feat?
He has several uber feats.

He created a copy of himself along with an entire alternate universe.
In that alternate universe, Jamie's copy was the most powerful being.
Jamie's copy was able to erase all sound waves from that reality,
and even warped all the stars in that universe into snowflakes
just to cut-off Havok's power source. (stars)
He was also un-killable so long as 616 Jamie allowed it.

Jamie was able to fully control everything in yet another alternate universe,
including its most powerful reality warper (Alfie OMeagan)
Jamie did this via a comic book. lol. (the actual real-life comic Nth Man)
At the end of the story,
Jamie tells himself he shouldn't be messing with other realities,
then Jamie is portrayed with another comic book. (real life Excalibur issue)
and the team is dangling by his strings on the cover.

4th wall breakage? hm

Jamie withstood Scatterbrain's touch unharmed and owned her right after.
Scatterbrain touches you, and if she chooses,
your consciousness gets an instant omniversal boost,
frying any bran in the process.

Jamie merged 616 Jaspers with the Fury. (Wanda resurrected Jaspers)

Jamie warped a multiversal Nexus (WHR) with ease and a smile on his face.

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Those are some off the top of my head.

zopzop
Originally posted by Mr Master
He has several uber feats.

He created a copy of himself along with an entire alternate universe.
In that alternate universe, Jamie's copy was the most powerful being.
Jamie's copy was able to erase all sound waves from that reality,
and even warped all the stars in that universe into snowflakes
just to cut-off Havok's power source. (stars)
He was also un-killable so long as 616 Jamie allowed it.

Jamie was able to fully control everything in yet another alternate universe,
including its most powerful reality warper (Alfie OMeagan)
Jamie did this via a comic book. lol. (the actual real-life comic Nth Man)
At the end of the story,
Jamie tells himself he shouldn't be messing with other realities,
then Jamie is portrayed with another comic book. (real life Excalibur issue)
and the team is dangling by his strings on the cover.

4th wall breakage? hm

Jamie withstood Scatterbrain's touch unharmed and owned her right after.
Scatterbrain touches you, and if she chooses,
your consciousness gets an instant omniversal boost,
frying any bran in the process.

Jamie merged 616 Jaspers with the Fury. (Wanda resurrected Jaspers)

Jamie warped a multiversal Nexus (WHR) with ease and a smile on his face.

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Those are some off the top of my head.
Didn't he also make Psylocke immune to all psychic and reality warping effects too? Or am I thinking of someone else?

Mr Master
^^ thumb up

Psylocke (being his sister) is like his plot device.

She's the only person I've seen hurt Jamie,
and when you take into account her power range,
it's easy to see it's plot. (then again, he's empowered her so meh)
Just look at the First Fallen account,
Jamie boosted her to the point she defeated the First Fallen host avatar,
then she stalemated the First Fallen itself momentarily before Jamie took over.

janus77
Originally posted by Mr Master
He has several uber feats.

He created a copy of himself along with an entire alternate universe.
In that alternate universe, Jamie's copy was the most powerful being.
Jamie's copy was able to erase all sound waves from that reality,
and even warped all the stars in that universe into snowflakes
just to cut-off Havok's power source. (stars)
He was also un-killable so long as 616 Jamie allowed it.

Jamie was able to fully control everything in yet another alternate universe,
including its most powerful reality warper (Alfie OMeagan)
Jamie did this via a comic book. lol. (the actual real-life comic Nth Man)
At the end of the story,
Jamie tells himself he shouldn't be messing with other realities,
then Jamie is portrayed with another comic book. (real life Excalibur issue)
and the team is dangling by his strings on the cover.

4th wall breakage? hm

Jamie withstood Scatterbrain's touch unharmed and owned her right after.
Scatterbrain touches you, and if she chooses,
your consciousness gets an instant omniversal boost,
frying any bran in the process.

Jamie merged 616 Jaspers with the Fury. (Wanda resurrected Jaspers)

Jamie warped a multiversal Nexus (WHR) with ease and a smile on his face.

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Those are some off the top of my head.
He's impressive but the universe/alt-reality creation and being god in those realities is something Franklin did as a child (without really understanding his powers).

Warping the WHR is something I can't place, is it a difficult thing or is it just a regular "room" construct that can be manipulated by high end reality warpers etc ...

I just remember him cutting up some timeline or other.

Well, I still haven't seen anything that tops Franklin yet, so keeping with Franklin for the moment.

Mr Master
Originally posted by janus77

He's impressive but the universe/alt-reality creation
and being god in those realities is something Franklin did as a child (without really understanding his powers).
I don't remember Franklin ever creating an alternate universe.
In fact, I'm certain he never did as a child .. or even as an adult that I know of.

I know he's created pocket-realities ... but remind me if I'm wrong.
Originally posted by janus77

Warping the WHR is something I can't place, is it a difficult thing or
is it just a regular "room" construct that can be manipulated by high
end reality warpers etc ...

A "room" construct?"

It's actually an infinite Multiversal Nexus, (containing a doorway into every universe)
aside from housing the Phoenix Force Consciousness
& the Phoenix Corp headquarters.

"Id"
I agree beyond shifting Rachel and Betsy into the white hot room. Jamie didin't do much. So we are forced with the face value of that feat. His ability to teleport in and out of the WHR.

guy222
jaime should win

last appearance 'dying' because of the goat monk just terrible

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by "Id"
I agree beyond shifting Rachel and Betsy into the white hot room. Jamie didin't do much. So we are forced with the face value of that feat. His ability to teleport in and out of the WHR.
As impressive as that feat sounds on the surface, it's hardly comparable(imo) to Franklin's energies creating a collection of countless realities, along with their OWN duplicate Nexus of Realities:
Originally posted by Galan007
All we know is that Franklin created the Nexus, and all of the realitieS within it:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12581044_d2.jpg

The Nexus housed "countless" realities, in fact:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/12581043_d1.jpg

Even if they were just pocket realities, it is still hugely impressive that Franklin created a "countless" number of them, subconsciously.
Btw, why didn't you point out to Prep-Man that you'd already done this thread?

Mr Master
Originally posted by TheGodKiller

As impressive as that feat sounds on the surface, it's hardly
comparable(imo) to Franklin's energies creating a collection of
countless realities, along with their OWN duplicate Nexus of Realities:

Actually,
I believe that's Franklin using the Man-Thing's Nexus as a conduit to perform that illusion.

Those pocket "realities" aren't real.

Even if they were, which I doubt,
it would mean Franklin created a separate Multiverse no one knows about,
matters not, because he didn't do it under his own power if I recall correctly
he instead sub-consciously used the Man-Thing as his connection to the power source.

I have to dive into those issues again to expose the plot,
what arc are those scans from again?

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Far as I know, Franklin will definitely be an omniversal threat one day,
but for now, he's created pocket realities,
and made a new universe in Hickman's run.
But he also has a truckload of reality altering feats on a smaller scale though.

Psylord sundered an alternate universe.

That said,
Franklin is without doubt one of the most powerful humanoids in Marvel.

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually,
I believe that's Franklin using the Man-Thing's Nexus as a conduit to perform that illusion.

Those pocket "realities" aren't real.

Even if they were, which I doubt,
it would mean Franklin created a separate Multiverse no one knows about,
matters not, because he didn't do it under his own power if I recall correctly
he instead sub-consciously used the Man-Thing as his connection to the power source.

I have to dive into those issues again to expose the plot,
what arc are those scans from again?

Daydreamers # 1-3.

Yes, Franklin did use Man-Thing as a conduit, but it was his energies which did all the work, it was his juice which made those "cartoon" realities, and in the process were killing Man-Thing.
Only his parents were seemingly "unreal" in the sense that they were 2-D copies of the originals and were hypothesized by 2-D Reed to be projections of his unconscious mind given shape and form due to his desire to bring them back.

Apart from Man-Thing being used for channeling his energies, there was no other power-source mentioned being used as an amp by Franklin. From what I can tell, it was his juice, and being channeled through a Nexus Being, it created countless realities.

You could argue that the Nexus of Realities itself was that unknown amp, but then it becomes all the more of a clusterphuck to prove since the Dark Hunter later reveals that they weren't travelling through the Nexus at all.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by Mr Master
He has several uber feats.

He created a copy of himself along with an entire alternate universe.
In that alternate universe, Jamie's copy was the most powerful being.
Jamie's copy was able to erase all sound waves from that reality,
and even warped all the stars in that universe into snowflakes
just to cut-off Havok's power source. (stars)
He was also un-killable so long as 616 Jamie allowed it.

Jamie was able to fully control everything in yet another alternate universe,
including its most powerful reality warper (Alfie OMeagan)
Jamie did this via a comic book. lol. (the actual real-life comic Nth Man)
At the end of the story,
Jamie tells himself he shouldn't be messing with other realities,
then Jamie is portrayed with another comic book. (real life Excalibur issue)
and the team is dangling by his strings on the cover.

4th wall breakage? hm

Jamie withstood Scatterbrain's touch unharmed and owned her right after.
Scatterbrain touches you, and if she chooses,
your consciousness gets an instant omniversal boost,
frying any bran in the process.

Jamie merged 616 Jaspers with the Fury. (Wanda resurrected Jaspers)

Jamie warped a multiversal Nexus (WHR) with ease and a smile on his face.

----------------------

Those are some off the top of my head.

This is an interesting battle.

DeadpoolXXX
Originally posted by zopzop
Didn't he also make Psylocke immune to all psychic and reality warping effects too? hm. when was this?


going with franklin for now.

Galan007
https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/35586304_18.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/35586316_19.jpg
-UXM #473 (2006)


Jamie made Psylocke 'immune' to reality warping and mind-control... Although anyone =/> Jamie himself would obviously be able to manipulate her just the same.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Galan007
https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/35586304_18.jpg https://s7d6.turboimg.net/t1/35586316_19.jpg
-UXM #473 (2006)


Jamie made Psylocke 'immune' to reality warping and mind-control... Although anyone =/> Jamie himself would obviously be able to manipulate her just the same.

Didnt she get warped during age of x?

Galan007
^ I'm pretty sure that not all writers even consider that little tidbit when they write Psylocke -- it's an easily overlooked blurb, tbh. /shrug



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...And those scans are actually from UXM #472, btw. Me am so stoopid!!! dur

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