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Fate is immune to all magics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_%28comics%29

Alice can absorb all magics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Alice_%28comics%29

Fight takes place in the Oblivion Bar:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/14904872_Untitled-Scanned-18.jpg
(assume the 2 combatants are the only people in the Bar.)

For the purposes of this match, Alice cannot summon the magics from any character(s) outside of the Bar.

Who wins?

Jared shanks the emo-gothic biatch.

Do you think Alice would be able to copy Fate's abilities? If she did, she would gain his weaponry/skills by default, leaving Jared essentially powerless.

Reminder: while Alice has copied Spectre's magics, Fate has demonstrated immunity to Nekron's magics... So imo, it's hard to say what'd happen one way or the other.

Galan starting a thread!?

And when is Fate immune to Nekron?

Originally posted by Galan007
Fate is immune to all magics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate_%28comics%29

Alice can absorb all magics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Alice_%28comics%29

Fight takes place in the Oblivion Bar:
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/14904872_Untitled-Scanned-18.jpg
(assume the 2 combatants are the only people in the Bar.)

For the purposes of this match, Alice cannot summon the magics from any character(s) outside of the Bar.

Who wins?

look at you starting a thread! lol

i actually liked fate as a character quite a bit. a nice parting of ways with the more classic version of dr fate. not sure what would happen here tbh. i'm guessing fate would gut her, but...i'm guessing that her magic could keep her from being killed by him. arion alone is a monster. is deadman's power considered magic? probably. guess.....stalemate? unless alice simply amps her strength and beats him down physically? hrm.

Originally posted by leonidas
look at you starting a thread! lol

i actually liked fate as a character quite a bit. a nice parting of ways with the more classic version of dr fate. not sure what would happen here tbh. i'm guessing fate would gut her, but...i'm guessing that her magic could keep her from being killed by him. arion alone is a monster. is deadman's power considered magic? probably. guess.....stalemate? unless alice simply amps her strength and beats him down physically? hrm. Yeah, it doesn't happen much these days.

This match intrigues me... It reminds me of the unstoppable force meets an immovable object paradox (although I think a winner here can certainly be found.)

Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, it doesn't happen much these days.

This match intrigues me... It reminds me of the unstoppable force meets an immovable object paradox (although I think a winner here can certainly be found.)

maybe a winner CAN be found. but it'll take someone smarter than me to find one.

Originally posted by Galan007
Do you think Alice would be able to copy Fate's abilities? If she did, she would gain his weaponry/skills by default, leaving Jared essentially powerless.


Difficult to say. As is the helm resisted Alice, than you factor in Jared anti magic shenanigance. In the end, we know that he was taken out by Mordru stabbing him with his own weapon (Mordru who also happens to be excellent at siphoning magic).

I can only conclude, that if not completely immune to Black Alice. Than at the least he would be heavily resistant, and giving him an advantage to physically maul her down, unless she finally taps into his energies, or he directs energy at her like a dumbass.

Originally posted by Galan007
Fate has demonstrated immunity to Nekron's magics... Originally posted by Golgo13
And when is Fate immune to Nekron?
Da Phuck?! When did this happen on panel?!

Originally posted by zopzop
Da Phuck?! When did this happen on panel?! http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14914591_1.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14914592_2.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14914594_3.jpg

Scans 1-2 have Fate forcibly overpowering Nekron and pushing him back through the rift. Scan 3 has Nekron's powers being rendered ineffectual against Fate.

Originally posted by Galan007
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14914591_1.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14914592_2.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14914594_3.jpg

Scans 1-2 have Fate forcibly overpowering Nekron and pushing him back through the rift. Scan 3 has Nekron's powers being rendered ineffectual against Fate.
Where is this from? And why does Fate look like some cheesy 90s character?

Originally posted by zopzop
Where is this from?

And why does Fate look like some cheesy 90s character? Fate #13.

Because he was a cheesy 90s character. none

So then Fate wins IMHO. Think about it. She can't do anything to him BUT what's stopping him from just walking up to her and punching her lights out? Or putting her in a choke hold and putting her ass to sleep?

Originally posted by zopzop
So then Fate wins IMHO. Think about it. She can't do anything to him BUT what's stopping him from just walking up to her and punching her lights out? Or putting her in a choke hold and putting her ass to sleep? That's the thing though: WHY can't she do anything to him? Alice had no problem absorbing Spectre's magics, after all.

I don't know much about jared, but it looks like he wins here. Although alice was trained by BoP and is a good h2h combatant while jared was killed by his own knife. Alice's powers are pretty much deus ex against magical beings though. Nekron isn't a magical being though, is he?

Originally posted by Galan007
That's the thing though: WHY can't she do anything to him? Alice had no problem absorbing Spectre's magics, after all.
Because Spectre is all over the place power level wise? And if he's really immune to all magic.......

I just see their two abilities causing them to stalemate from a power only perspective. Then that leaves a grown man vs a teenage girl. Not looking good for the teenage girl.

Originally posted by zopzop
Because Spectre is all over the place power level wise? And if he's really immune to all magic.......

I just see their two abilities causing them to stalemate from a power only perspective. Then that leaves a grown man vs a teenage girl. Not looking good for the teenage girl. IF she can absorb his abilities, she'd gain his immunity to magic, and, most importantly, his magical weaponry/skills.

IF she cannot absorb his magics, then ya, she's phucked. However, even though Fate's magical immunity is haxxed beyond belief, so are Alice's absorption abilities... So it's hard to say what'd happen.

Originally posted by Galan007
IF she can absorb his abilities, she'd gain his immunity to magic, and, most importantly, his magical weaponry/skills.

IF she cannot absorb his magics, then ya, she's phucked. However, even though Fate's magical immunity is haxxed beyond belief, so are Alice's absorption abilities... So it's hard to say what'd happen.
Exactly. A lot of "IFs" because we don't know the limit (if any) to either of their powers.

I'll give you this though, nice find on this version of Fate. I didn't even know he existed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nekron isn't a magical being though, is he? Fate is immune to magic, and Nekron's powers had no effect on him. Based on that, I can only assume Nekron is a magical/mystical entity.

Additionally, given that the 5th dimension, The Green, The Grey, The Red, and even Hell are considered magical realms, it seems logical to assume that both Nekron and his realm would also fall under the magical umbrella of Sorcerers' World:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14915947_02-11-10_01_25-26.jpg
srug

Originally posted by zopzop
I'll give you this though, nice find on this version of Fate. I didn't even know he existed. A while back I was going to make a respect thread for him, but never got around to it. Suffice to say: the Nekron feat is just the tip of the iceberg.

Originally posted by Galan007
Fate is immune to magic, and Nekron's powers had no effect on him. Based on that, I can only assume Nekron is a magical/mystical entity.

Additionally, given that the 5th dimension, The Green, The Grey, The Red, and even Hell are considered magical realms, it seems logical to assume that both Nekron and his realm would also fall under the magical umbrella of Sorcerers' World:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14915947_02-11-10_01_25-26.jpg
srug

A while back I was going to make a respect thread for him, but never got around to it. Suffice to say: the Nekron feat is just the tip of the iceberg.
That's sketchy at best IMO. Nekron is never presented as a magical being be it against CA, GL or WW. To assume nekron is magical by Fate's immunity of magic is like putting the horse before the cart. Couldn't it be that Fate survived against Nekron due to being you know Dr. phucking Fate? I don't know much about Jared though as I admitted.

Originally posted by Galan007
A while back I was going to make a respect thread for him, but never got around to it. Suffice to say: the Nekron feat is just the tip of the iceberg.
Damn....Did they ever explain how he got his power?

I'd think Nekron back in the day was under the magical realm, but Geoff Johns kind of changed that. He's basically Death/Oblivion of the DCU.

Originally posted by Galan007
Fate is immune to magic, and Nekron's powers had no effect on him. Based on that, I can only assume Nekron is a magical/mystical entity.

Additionally, given that the 5th dimension, The Green, The Grey, The Red, and even Hell are considered magical realms, it seems logical to assume that both Nekron and his realm would also fall under the magical umbrella of Sorcerers' World:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/14915947_02-11-10_01_25-26.jpg
srug

A while back I was going to make a respect thread for him, but never got around to it. Suffice to say: the Nekron feat is just the tip of the iceberg.

I hate when you get me interested in obscure characters! Please make a respect thread!! PUHLEEASSE!

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's sketchy at best IMO. Nekron is never presented as a magical being be it against CA, GL or WW. To assume nekron is magical by Fate's immunity of magic is like putting the horse before the cart. Couldn't it be that Fate survived against Nekron due to being you know Dr. phucking Fate? I don't know much about Jared though as I admitted. It's not just that Fate survived, it's that Nekron's powers were completely ineffective against him:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/14919876_3.jpg

Like I said: Fate is immune to magic. Nekron's powers didn't work on him. Rule of deduction says that Nekron's powers must be magic-based in order for Fate to be completely immune to them. I don't think that's a sketchy assumption at all.

Anyway, could the magical/mystical nature of Nekron's powers have changed after Johns' reimagination of him? It's possible. However, that has no bearing on a Fate comic that was released back in '95.

Originally posted by zopzop
Damn....Did they ever explain how he got his power? Yep. His power was derived from both order and chaos--- that's why he's immune to all magics. I'm pretty sure the bio I posted in the OP explains all the details.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I hate when you get me interested in obscure characters! Please make a respect thread!! PUHLEEASSE!

Maybe.

Originally posted by Galan007
Like I said: Fate is immune to magic. Nekron's powers didn't work on him. Rule of deduction says that Nekron's powers must be magic-based in order for Fate to be completely immune to them. I don't think that's a sketchy assumption at all.



Fate should win here.

Bump

Originally posted by zopzop
Damn....Did they ever explain how he got his power?

He was a guy who robbed tombs of precious artefacts. He went to acquire the vestments of Fate afternthe death of Kent Nelson. There was a fight with some demons and the helm of Nabu (an artefact of the lords of order) and the amulet of anubis (artefact of chaos) exploded and bathed him in power. The arm that was holding the amulet got shredded so he wrapped it innthe cloak of Fate that healed it (whenever unwrapped it becomes a Morpheus kaotic thing that attacks) He later met with Nabu who tried to take control of him (as he did with Kent) but because of his magic immunity he resisted and pushed nabu out. Nabu then melted and reformed what was left of the helm and amulet and made a knife and annk shaped throwing stars that cut anything and always hit what he wants them to (even if they have to go around things or act like homing missiles)

I just remembered. When Black Alice copied Dr Occults powers she had a real problem controlling them. Ported to the wrong place etc.

Occult isn't immune to magic just highly resistant. It's effects on him are minimized.

So of she can't control Occults powers I SERIOUSLY doubt she can even take Jared's ergo Jared wins due to the slightly greater hax

Plus he still had his fighting skills (or at least, brawling skills), which were non magical in nature - so she shouldn't be able to copy those

There must be a glitch in the Matrix because......... Jared shanks the emo-gothic biatch.


peaches

Originally posted by "Id"
There must be a glitch in the Matrix because......... Jared shanks the emo-gothic biatch.


peaches

I forgot Jared Stevens' power

but black alice is ultimate haxx

Does BA take non magical skills as well? Not talking about the skills to use magic, but say if she jacked Kent Nelson's skills, would it include his surgery skills?

Because then, she wins. She'd be as skilled as Jared....but with his weapons, which we've seen can kill him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Does BA take non magical skills as well? Not talking about the skills to use magic, but say if she jacked Kent Nelson's skills, would it include his surgery skills?

Because then, she wins. She'd be as skilled as Jared....but with his weapons, which we've seen can kill him.

Except I seriously doubt she could copy Jared's powers or skill.

https://m.imgur.com/IXvUVEt

She had trouble stealing the powers of Dr Occult. When she did she couldn't understand then very well and couldn't control then. For example when she used them tk teleport she ended up miles from where she wanted.

Occult is only resistant to magic NOT immune like Jared. When he absorbed magic bullets shot at Superman out of his body it still hurt him like crazy he just was able to handle better because his body had a resistance to magic.

If BA found it hard to copy Occult because he is resistant and had no skill with it because then she ain't doing shit with Jared's power or skill because he's completely immune.

This is the instance from JLA black Baltism I'm talking about

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/Rnm41H6f-9zQKz8Sr76dZdMtuipaycYQ8w7xl6O5YnS8ZvfDgNKa-YUp3EhWivUbHDEM_vUPgv6yQWoXniwochMt9- JnP5z12rXXvB9y2svOV5LdWKEj8ItkFn_pZiRxVstT8HJY5g=s
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Magic still affects Occult. It still hurts him. His body is just resistant and can fight it

Alice struggled to steal his powers, couldn't understand then fully and couldn't control them.