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Fantastic 4

Vs

Cyclops
Jean
Colossus
Iceman

No prep. Random encounter, no bfr.

X men

X-men, Jean can mind rape everyone but sue and Sue's bubble to the brain thing won't work on Iceman. Iceman can flash freeze em.

Originally posted by nwg202
X-men, Jean can mind rape everyone but sue and Sue's bubble to the brain thing won't work on Iceman. Iceman can flash freeze em.

What if torch goes super nova?

Torch doesn't even get the chance to flame on, Bobby can stop his powers at the source:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2568/xmen2020011ef3.th.jpg

X-Men win.

Colossus >> Thing
Iceman > Torch

Were i strategizing, I would put Jean on Reed and let Cyclops keep Sue busy until one of the others finished theirs, then Sue loses the 4 on 1.

How is colossus > thing?

By bristling a better fighter...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
By bristling a better fighter...




Ummmmm.... Not so much


FF FTW FTR

Pete > Ben imo.

x-men win and colossus>thing

X-Men win handily

Last I saw Torch had the Cosmic Control Rod, F4 take it.

Ben may be roughly as strong as Piotr and its kinda a wash in durability, but he loses hard in stamina and finesse...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ben may be roughly as strong as Piotr and its kinda a wash in durability, but he loses hard in stamina and finesse...






Tell that to The Champion

Means nothing, tbh.

Ben is slightly stronger than colossus but pete is more durable than him.

Believe it or not, they fought before. Jean vs a bloodlusted Sue (who was a hound under the control of Ahab) and Reed vs bloodlusted Cyke (same as Sue).

Jean's TK and Sue's powers were all but canceling each other out while Reed was tanking Cyke's optic blasts. I forgot how those fights resolved themselves.

Torch vs IM is basically a draw. Thing beats the crap out of Colossus.

Slight edge to the FF.

Originally posted by zopzop
Torch vs IM is basically a draw.

wut?

THIS WOULD B MORE INTERESTING IF JEAN WERENT IN THE FIGHT TO MIND RAPE EVERYONE MAKE IT MAYBE A LIL MORE PHYSICAL INSTEAD OF JEAN JUST MIND ****ING EVERYONE AND ITD B CLOSER XMEN WIN 9/10-10/10

Sue Richards cant be affected by TP inside her Force Field.

X-Men.

Originally posted by zopzop
Torch vs IM is basically a draw.


Originally posted by Blair Wind
Torch doesn't even get the chance to flame on, Bobby can stop his powers at the source:

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2568/xmen2020011ef3.th.jpg

The reason Piotr >> Ben = when they met before, Pete was a teenager.

He has since gotten 2 upgrades, one by aging and the other by molecular realignment from Magneto.

He is much stronger and way more durable than Ben now, and the H2H training he has had makes him >>>>>> Ben.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Sue Richards cant be affected by TP inside her Force Field.
Scans? Proof? But either way, Jean matched her power and it was a draw using nothing but her TK.
Originally posted by Blair Wind

Sunfire is no Human Torch. Both IM and HT can control temperature so it's a wash.
Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
The reason Piotr >> Ben = when they met before, Pete was a teenager.

He has since gotten 2 upgrades, one by aging and the other by molecular realignment from Magneto.

He is much stronger and way more durable than Ben now, and the H2H training he has had makes him >>>>>> Ben.
Tell that to Namor and how the Thing stomped his @$$ underwater.

Thing, even if you think he's stronger, would have a hell of a time with Colossus. Their face off would be probably the longest of any in this match.

Originally posted by zopzop
Sunfire is no Human Torch. Both IM and HT can control temperature so it's a wash.

He's controlling the chemical heat exchange for both Sunfire and Cannonball. HT can't control temperature to the degree and versatility that Iceman can - and won't even get the chance to do so since Iceman can stop him from even becoming a part of the game.

Yeah sue can affect Jean's tp and tk. Iceman still wins this for the x-men though...Crystal was able to affect the air inside Sue's bubble. Bobby is way more durable then Torch. He can survive w/o a body. Johnny burns Bobby's head off he will just reform. Iceman flash freezes Johnny its over. The moment sue goes down, jean can midrape everyone.

Don't see anyone here taking down Iceman.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/124908/2923310-telekinesis_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/124908/2923279-everymolecule_super.jpg

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/124908/2923305-supercold_super.jpg

Originally posted by nwg202
Yeah sue can affect Jean's tp and tk. Iceman still wins this for the x-men though...Crystal was able to affect the air inside Sue's bubble. Bobby is way more durable then Torch. He can survive w/o a body. Johnny burns Bobby's head off he will just reform. Iceman flash freezes Johnny its over. The moment sue goes down, jean can midrape everyone.

Don't see anyone here taking down Iceman.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/12/124908/2923310-telekinesis_super.jpg




Context people PLEASE...this was just after Jean was released from the cocoon she was placed in by the PF, in their attempt to free her Reed damaged her Telepathy so Jean had no Telepathy at this time which was continued in X-factor #1. Sue also had the element of surprise on a confused and weakened emotionally Jean Grey. With that being said Emma was able to use Telepathy on Sue through her force field in that X-men FF crossover.

And Jean is at least an equal psychic to Emma so she mindscrews everyone for the win.

@Dave
Calm down on the cap locks, its rough on the eyes

The FF have TP nullifiers in their suits

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Calm down on the cap locks, its rough on the eyes

The FF have TP nullifiers in their suits

He's capitalizing names...

Sorry I fixed who I was talking too

Jean Solo's

Originally posted by pym-ftw

The FF have TP nullifiers in their suits jean is gonna overload and blow them up. maybe.