Dr Doom with one week of pep time Vs

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Perceiver1
The team of Batman, Doctor Fate and Lobo with one month of prep time.

Odekahn
Batman solos.

ColossusGrundy
that team is a bit extreme for doom

Sin I AM
lol at this

Flyattractor
Is Batman and Fate holding LOBO back any at all?

DTM
If the team doesnt get any prep, but Doom does, he wins, solidly. Hes beaten beings Much Stronger than this team with less prep than one month.

SquallX
Originally posted by DTM
If the team doesnt get any prep, but Doom does, he wins, solidly. Hes beaten beings Much Stronger than this team with less prep than one month.

Do you know who Fate is? Let alone if this is Pre-Crisis.

DTM
Yep, I do, I also know who Galactus and the Beyonder are, both of whom a prepped Doom defeated, with much less prep time than one month.

Odekahn
The Beyonder LET Doom defeat him and take his power.

Endless Mike
Pep time? Doom puts on a cheerleading uniform and pom-poms and solos

Mindset
Originally posted by Odekahn
The Beyonder LET Doom defeat him and take his power. No he didn't.

Placidity
I don't know if he did or not, but yes he did.

Perceiver1
Originally posted by DTM
If the team doesnt get any prep, but Doom does, he wins, solidly. Hes beaten beings Much Stronger than this team with less prep than one month.

In my original post I gave Doom a week and the other three a month (for the most part for Batman's sake) .

Flyattractor
Doom is an overated fanboy aura looser.
LOBO just nuke bumps the planet into a black hole.

Nuff said.

Odekahn
Originally posted by Mindset
No he didn't.

Read Secret Wars again.

Mindset
Originally posted by Odekahn
Read Secret Wars again. Or you could just read it for the first time.

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by Mindset
No he didn't.
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Originally posted by Mindset
Or you could just read it for the first time.
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Odekahn
Originally posted by Mindset
Or you could just read it for the first time.

I own it. I will double check and come back. If I'm wrong then I will admit it. Either way there's no reason to be an ass about it.

Mindset
I'm not being an ass, you should read it.

Raisen
Originally posted by Flyattractor
Doom is an overated fanboy aura looser.
LOBO just nuke bumps the planet into a black hole.

Nuff said.

You think Doom is an overrated loser yet you say that ^^ So you think planet bumping Lobo is cool but Doom isn't? confused

Flyattractor
Doom wears a green skirt. LOBO wears pants.


So yes. That is what I think.

Odekahn
Originally posted by Mindset
I'm not being an ass, you should read it.

I will read it again. It's an amazing book anyways. Also it's possible I was mixing it up with the 90s Spider-Man version of secret war.

TheGodKiller
Originally posted by Odekahn
Also it's possible I was mixing it up with the 90s Spider-Man version of secret war.
That was an animated series. They made the Beyonder afraid of a bomb Carnage made for crying out loud. It was as close to the comic book Secret Wars as a dog is to a cat.

I am surprised that you'd get the 2 mixed up.

Mr Master
Originally posted by DTM

Yep, I do, I also know the Beyonder,

a prepped Doom defeated

In a reality where the Beyonder himself
is subconsciously giving everyone what they want,
and the Concept of Death is warped making inhabitants extra difficult to kill.

That Doom, plucked from a Future he ceased to exist in,
wanted Beyonder's power more than Beyonder wanted his own power.

That's it, that was the stipulation, and the Plot was that Beyonder had to become limited (by losing most of his power)
so that he could grow curious about desire (wanting his power back) in this weakened state,
thus paving the way/story for Beyonder's visitation in Secret Wars II,
which was a quest for Beyonder to understand desire.

Anyway ...

It seems that Beyonder gave everyone in his newb state the power to make their desires come true.

Even That Doom taking his power as idiotic as that is.

After the Beyonder leaves back to the Beyond Realm,
the residual energy of his Power left over as an after-effect from his scuffle with Doom,
was still giving everyone there their wishes.

One example of many,

Captain America controls atoms by force of "Will" alone:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15272528_D_sees_F6.jpghttp://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15272529_D_sees_F7.jpg

So, That Doom took Beyonder's power cause he wanted it.

Cap is a matter manipulator simply because he wants his shield back.

It seems in this realm the Beyonder set up for them,
when the time is right,
anything is possible. erm

Branlor Swift
Is Iron Fist giving Doom a pep talk here?

Because if so, he absolutely destroys

Odekahn
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That was an animated series. They made the Beyonder afraid of a bomb Carnage made for crying out loud. It was as close to the comic book Secret Wars as a dog is to a cat.

I am surprised that you'd get the 2 mixed up.

It's been a long time and I've been busy with my newborn lol

Mindset
Did you name it Mindset?

Mr Master
laughing out loud ...

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Mindset
Did you name it Mindset? Odespawn IMO

Odekahn
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Odespawn IMO

Win.

DTM
Originally posted by Odekahn
The Beyonder LET Doom defeat him and take his power.

No, he didnt.

DTM
Originally posted by Mindset
No he didn't.

Thank you.

Odekahn
Originally posted by DTM
No, he didnt.

Okay, okay, okay. Geez, lol.

DTM
Originally posted by Odekahn
Read Secret Wars again.

Ive read SW many many times, again, no he didnt.

DTM
If the team gets prep too, Id go team, but Doom with prep is like Reed with prep, so unless the other team also has prep and loads of genius to use that prep, Doom wins.

Odekahn
Originally posted by DTM
Ive read SW many many times, again, no he didnt.

Are you sure?

Odekahn
Originally posted by DTM
If the team gets prep too, Id go team, but Doom with prep is like Reed with prep, so unless the other team also has prep and loads of genius to use that prep, Doom wins.

Except Doom loses most of the time and Batman wins all the time. Both are good at prepping but success matters too.

DTM
But Batman and his team gets no prep in this thread, so thats a moot point. Also, the opponents Batman fights 90% of the time, are guys that Doom could destroy, without prep, with ease. Theyre in very different weight classes, Doom and Batman, giving Doom prep and Batman none (as is here) only makes that difference even moreso.

Mindset
Originally posted by Odekahn
Except Doom loses most of the time and Batman wins all the time. Both are good at prepping but success matters too. Doom wins every time.

Odekahn
Originally posted by DTM
But Batman and his team gets no prep in this thread, so thats a moot point. Also, the opponents Batman fights 90% of the time, are guys that Doom could destroy, without prep, with ease. Theyre in very different weight classes, Doom and Batman, giving Doom prep and Batman none (as is here) only makes that difference even moreso.

The team including batman gets a month of prep to Doom's week.

And with prep Batman's plans have taken down the justice league.

Odekahn
Originally posted by Mindset
Doom wins every time.

Except all for all the times that he loses.

Mindset
Which has never happened. thumb up

Odekahn
Originally posted by Mindset
Which has never happened. thumb up

Fantastic Four, Avengers, and just about every hero in Marvel disagrees.

Mindset
Yes, unfortunately, everyone can't be as smart as Doom.

Odekahn
Originally posted by Mindset
Yes, unfortunately, everyone can't be as smart as Doom.

You are in denial just as Doom is in denial. stick out tongue

DTM
Originally posted by Odekahn
The team including batman gets a month of prep to Doom's week.

And with prep Batman's plans have taken down the justice league.

Ah, sorry, youre right, dont know why I seemed to miss that.

OK then, Team with 4x more prep beats out Doom.

Perceiver1
Originally posted by DTM
Ah, sorry, youre right, dont know why I seemed to miss that.

OK then, Team with 4x more prep beats out Doom.

Yeah that was the original stipulation; but actually by giving the team one month prep I really just wanted to provide it for Bats (so he could actually be in the fight). What I should have said was one moth prep for Batman and a week for Fate and Lobo, just like Doom.

Perceiver1
Originally posted by Flyattractor
Doom is an overated fanboy aura looser.
LOBO just nuke bumps the planet into a black hole.

Nuff said.

Don't think Dr Fate and Batman would go along with that.

beatboks
If it's classic Fate he could solo with a minute or less prep. While fighting Totec in the middle of battle he froze time, viewed the future about to unfold and how Totec would win. Changed tact, defeated Totec, and then since the Earth and all life on it was destroyed during his battle just reality warped everything back to the way it was.

Classic Fate had physical powers to Superman level without any magic
Energy and matter manipulation to Captain Atom level
TK that could move planets, and TP
Plus his magic that was close to Classic Strange level
Add in clairvoyance and time manipulation, and the ability to call on the power of any god

Mr Master
Originally posted by DTM

Ive read SW many many times, again, no he didnt.
Interesting. Just curious, how did 616 Doom take Beyonder's power,
when Doom was back on Earth 616 during SWI,
while the Heroes/Villains where in another universe on Battleworld?

Whatever answer you give me will beg one more question:

If so,
why did 616 Doom see/meet the Beyonder for the first time ever,
TWO Years later nearing the end of SWII in an FF book?

I know the actual truth with On Panel proof,
but I'd love to see what response would come of these questions
from a person who read SW "many many times," before I burst Doom bubbles.

Flyattractor
Originally posted by Perceiver1
Don't think Dr Fate and Batman would go along with that. LIke I stated in my orginal post. This is the "WHAT IF Bats and Fate weren't holding LOBO back"??

So in thus thence. LOBO vs Dr. DOOM.

LOBO wins.

Nuff said.

ColossusGrundy
ppl round here will begin to chafe from all the Doom wank

Aakla
Originally posted by Mr Master
In a reality where the Beyonder himself
is subconsciously giving everyone what they want,
and the Concept of Death is warped making inhabitants extra difficult to kill.

That Doom, plucked from a Future he ceased to exist in,
wanted Beyonder's power more than Beyonder wanted his own power.

That's it, that was the stipulation, and the Plot was that Beyonder had to become limited (by losing most of his power)
so that he could grow curious about desire (wanting his power back) in this weakened state,
thus paving the way/story for Beyonder's visitation in Secret Wars II,
which was a quest for Beyonder to understand desire.

Anyway ...

It seems that Beyonder gave everyone in his newb state the power to make their desires come true.

Even That Doom taking his power as idiotic as that is.

After the Beyonder leaves back to the Beyond Realm,
the residual energy of his Power left over as an after-effect from his scuffle with Doom,
was still giving everyone there their wishes.

One example of many,

Captain America controls atoms by force of "Will" alone:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15272528_D_sees_F6.jpghttp://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15272529_D_sees_F7.jpg

So, That Doom took Beyonder's power cause he wanted it.

Cap is a matter manipulator simply because he wants his shield back.

It seems in this realm the Beyonder set up for them,
when the time is right,
anything is possible. erm

Cap was able to remake his shield only after his team won the secret wars, that was their reward.

DTM
Originally posted by Mr Master
Interesting. Just curious, how did 616 Doom take Beyonder's power,
when Doom was back on Earth 616 during SWI,
while the Heroes/Villains where in another universe on Battleworld?

Whatever answer you give me will beg one more question:

If so,
why did 616 Doom see/meet the Beyonder for the first time ever,
TWO Years later nearing the end of SWII in an FF book?

I know the actual truth with On Panel proof,
but I'd love to see what response would come of these questions
from a person who read SW "many many times," before I burst Doom bubbles.

The real Doom was in SW1, yes, and he did claim the Beyonders powers. Years later during SW2, when the Beyonder came to earth, the body of Doom had been destroyed (in between SW 1 and 2) during a battle with Terrax, though before that happened Doom transfered his mind into a nearby man, who later became the new (temporary) Dr. Doom. It was this Doom that the Beyonder met and dealt with during SW2 (which was still Doom, it was just his mind in anothers body). So Yes, true, authentic, original Dr. Doom WAS in SW1, and he did claim the Beyonders power (with a bit of prep and Galactus' tech).

Mr Master
Originally posted by Aakla

Cap was able to remake his shield only after his team won the
secret wars, that was their reward.
Not at all. But good guess.
Originally posted by DTM

The real Doom was in SW1, yes, and he did claim the Beyonders
powers. Years later during SW2, when the Beyonder came to earth,
the body of Doom had been destroyed (in between SW 1 and 2)
during a battle with Terrax, though before that happened Doom
transfered his mind into a nearby man, who later became the new
(temporary) Dr. Doom. It was this Doom that the Beyonder met and
dealt with during SW2 (which was still Doom, it was just his mind in
anothers body). So Yes, true, authentic, original Dr. Doom WAS in
SW1, and he did claim the Beyonders power (with a bit of prep and
Galactus' tech).
Nice story, but it's completely incorrect.

Doom's body was utterly obliterated in 1983 by Terrax (ONE Year Before SWI)
in FF #260.

So the questions still stand,
and I can see you'll never know the right answer,
which is why I'm here. smile

I'll return in a bit good friend. (not just with opinions lacking visual proof)

DTM
Uh, OK, so Id love to know why you think Dr. Doom wasnt in SW.

Odekahn
Originally posted by DTM
The real Doom was in SW1, yes, and he did claim the Beyonders powers. Years later during SW2, when the Beyonder came to earth, the body of Doom had been destroyed (in between SW 1 and 2) during a battle with Terrax, though before that happened Doom transfered his mind into a nearby man, who later became the new (temporary) Dr. Doom. It was this Doom that the Beyonder met and dealt with during SW2 (which was still Doom, it was just his mind in anothers body). So Yes, true, authentic, original Dr. Doom WAS in SW1, and he did claim the Beyonders power (with a bit of prep and Galactus' tech).

I don't really think it matters. The Beyonder wanted Doom there, so he was there. Wasn't ultron brought back in the blink of an eye for SW1 after previously being destroyed/killed?

DTM
True, which in the end, does support that it was truly Doom in SW, never heard before the above that it wasnt actually him.

Perceiver1
Originally posted by Flyattractor
LIke I stated in my orginal post. This is the "WHAT IF Bats and Fate weren't holding LOBO back"??

So in thus thence. LOBO vs Dr. DOOM.

LOBO wins.

Nuff said.

Oh, didn't see the "what if" . Well, If the fight is set on an abandoned planet that could work. If Lobo is trying to blow up Earth however, he would have more than just Batman and Fate to think about.

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