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1. Odin (no armor) vs. DP Tyrant (in Asgard)
2. Odin (in Destroyer) vs. DP Tyrant (in Asgard)
3. Odin (in Destroyer) vs. FP Tyrant (in space)

Tyrant, Tyrant, Tyrant

Originally posted by Raisen
Tyrant, Tyrant, Tyrant

Correct me if I'm wrong but it is not a FP Tyrant a little under GALACTUS?

Is a SKY FATHER below Celestial?

If so TYRANT In FP

DF Tyrant 50/50, I guess.

Odin
Odin
Tyrant

Originally posted by iceman24567
Odin
Odin
Tyrant

Odin
Odin
Tyrant

Odin (This is close)
Odin
Tyrant (This is a stomp)

Tyrant
Odin
Tyrant

Originally posted by curryman
Odin or DP Tyrant (This is close)
Odin
Tyrant (This is a stomp)

Odin 2/3

Originally posted by guy222
Odin 2/3


Agree 2/3 for Odin. But if Odin is allowed to absorb all of Asgard it would be a clean sweep!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Agree 2/3 for Odin. But if Odin is allowed to absorb all of Asgard it would be a clean sweep!
Wow! You don't say?!
http://imageshack.us/a/img191/8523/allnewohotmuaz1163.th.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img707/7974/silversurferv3106p10.th.jpg
So the power Odin draws from Asgard is >>>>>>>>>>>>the power Tyrant draws from the biosphere of every planet in the universe?

Makes perfect sense.

Tyrant, 3/3.

Originally posted by zopzop
Wow! You don't say?!
http://imageshack.us/a/img191/8523/allnewohotmuaz1163.th.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img707/7974/silversurferv3106p10.th.jpg
So the power Odin draws from Asgard is >>>>>>>>>>>>the power Tyrant draws from the biosphere of every planet in the universe?

Makes perfect sense.

Yes it does, Odin wins two out three if you like it or not!!

Originally posted by the Darkone
Yes it does, Odin wins two out three if you like it or not!!

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Odin (no armor) vs. DP Tyrant (in Asgard)
2. Odin (in Destroyer) vs. DP Tyrant (in Asgard)
3. Odin (in Destroyer) vs. FP Tyrant (in space)


1 Split
2. Odin
3. Tyrant (But he works for it)

I bet if we ask Thanos he would say Tyrant wins all 3.

Tyrant x 3

Originally posted by the Darkone
Yes it does, Odin wins two out three if you like it or not!! This is an h1 type response. Do you have any evidence ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
This is an h1 type response. Do you have any evidence ? I never said such things. I provide logic and reasoning behind my claims, which is based off comics, science, and common sense.

You on the other hand, lowball the character who you want to lose while highballing the character who you want to win.

The classic lowball highball con game you play.

1. not sure
2. odin
3. tyrant

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Odin (no armor) vs. DP Tyrant (in Asgard)
2. Odin (in Destroyer) vs. DP Tyrant (in Asgard)
3. Odin (in Destroyer) vs. FP Tyrant (in space)

Toss-up
Probably Odin
tyrant

Originally posted by h1a8
I never said such things. I provide logic and reasoning behind my claims, which is based off comics, science, and common sense.

You on the other hand, lowball the character who you want to lose while highballing the character who you want to win.

The classic lowball highball con game you play. No, you don't ever back your stances. You frequently go out of your way to display levels of ignorance unheard of. Tyrant wins. More powerful. Better showings.

Originally posted by zopzop
Wow! You don't say?!
http://imageshack.us/a/img191/8523/allnewohotmuaz1163.th.jpg http://imageshack.us/a/img707/7974/silversurferv3106p10.th.jpg
So the power Odin draws from Asgard is >>>>>>>>>>>>the power Tyrant draws from the biosphere of every planet in the universe?

Makes perfect sense.

He draws energy from it but to what degree it's unknown. If it's as powerful as you make it out to be, he would've one shotted every herald he met. All those appearances where Odin has one shotted heralds and beat skyfather level beings seems to put him above Tyrant. Tyrant hasn't shown anything with this ambiguous potential, whereas Odin has already taped into Infinity/space's power and wrecked the cosmos.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
He draws energy from it but to what degree it's unknown. If it's as powerful as you make it out to be, he would've one shotted every herald he met. All those appearances where Odin has one shotted heralds and beat skyfather level beings seems to put him above Tyrant. Tyrant hasn't shown anything with this ambiguous potential, whereas Odin has already taped into Infinity/space's power and wrecked the cosmos. Tyrant is superior to Odin. We saw how easily Gaalctus dealt with him I mean Odin ko'd himself against Galactus whereas tyrant was beating him.

Yes guys you're forgetting how Tyrant is more powerful than Galactus.

Tyrant was also playing with the Heralds. I think the smile on his face gave it away.

Originally posted by Stoic
Tyrant was also playing with the Heralds. I think the smile on his face gave it away. He was definitely toying with them.

i'll say odin in all 3. 1 and 3 are close enough that i wouldn't give either a sweep though.

Originally posted by Stoic
Tyrant was also playing with the Heralds. I think the smile on his face gave it away.

Odin kills skyfather level characters in his fights. The guy has solid wins against people in his tier. He one-shots heralds on occasions, even while severely weakened. Tyrant playing around with heralds is not worth mentioning when comparing against Odin.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Odin kills skyfather level characters in his fights. The guy has solid wins against people in his tier. He one-shots heralds on occasions, even while severely weakened. Tyrant playing around with heralds is not worth mentioning when comparing against Odin.


Heck he ignored a full attack from thanos and surfer combined and swatted aside Thanos like a bug when he tried to grab Gungnir. Thanos was matching strength with Tyrant straight up and even sent him flying with one energy blast amped with Morg's energy while Odin completely no sold him and surfer's blasts.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Odin (no armor) vs. DP Tyrant (in Asgard)
2. Odin (in Destroyer) vs. DP Tyrant (in Asgard)
3. Odin (in Destroyer) vs. FP Tyrant (in space)

1. Odin, not to far off in power but Asgard gives Odin a very serious trump card if he's in danger.
2. Odin beats him up. In the Destroyer, it's much too one sided for Odin.
3. Hmm, not sure. If Odin goes all out against Tyrant, he wins, too much power, especially since it was recently revealed the Destroyer can forcibly drain every single other God of their power; adding omnipotent power on-top of the Odin Force is too much for nearly anyone. If Odin is with his own source of energy and doesn't tap into Asgard/Her people, could go either way.

If I remember right, Tyrant took on Galactus and held his own, but ultimately lost. Been a while since I've seen the scans but I'm guessing power wise the difference is pretty negligible. The nod goes to whoever you favor I guess.

1 Odin/Tyrant split
2 Odin
3 Tyrant

Originally posted by DTM
Tyrant
Odin
Tyrant

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll say odin in all 3. 1 and 3 are close enough that i wouldn't give either a sweep though. You are clearly wrong.

I hear alot of talk about Odin's one shots and that's fine and dandy but when gaging a fight between Odin and Tyrant, their respective performances against the same opponent (Thanos) takes precedence over the capability of a one shot. A one shot I'm sure everyone here can acknowledge Tyrant is capable of if need be.

Let's compare/contrast the 2 fights.
Thanos took a total of 5 shots from Odin. After the first 2, (one was tanked)

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/73bb1b5a-efc8-4c3c-becf-6193e916baaa_zpsca08e2b9.jpg Thanos had this to say: http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/76a6802c-af93-4268-a8f1-03bc1b403368_zps035d5270.jpg

After only one shot from Tyrant, Thanos crashes through the ceiling and is shown desperately reaching for the orb. Tyrant can be seen approaching in the background. This is a upgraded Thanos with the orb

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/1d4cd2df-6b69-45a6-8d22-5928cbb97650_zps15524b6b.jpg

At the end of those 5 shots from Odin, he considered himself still in the fight.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/3916dc98-1f45-47e9-a0d1-954c7b4cafdf_zpsba37caef.jpg

But after 3 attacks from Tyrant, death was certain.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/eb81437a-55bc-48b8-aa33-952883b1878c_zpsa0946db7.jpg

Thanos was noticably affected by all 3 shots from Tyrant. After 3 from Odin, Thanos managed to charge through a concentrated blast from the staff.

Based on all of this, it shows Tyrant can dish out more punishment in a shorter period and is a but higher on the scale. He should be able to earn a clear cut victory over Odin a majority of the time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
and swatted aside Thanos like a bug when he tried to grab Gungnir.

Lies! How did you expect to get away with this? This is KMC.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/16608f34-8cc8-4f6f-be58-988d80dd30f6_zps83bd5281.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
1. Odin, not to far off in power but Asgard gives Odin a very serious trump card if he's in danger.

3. Hmm, not sure. If Odin goes all out against Tyrant, he wins, too much power, especially since it was recently revealed the Destroyer can forcibly drain every single other God of their power; adding omnipotent power on-top of the Odin Force is too much for nearly anyone. If Odin is with his own source of energy and doesn't tap into Asgard/Her people, could go either way.

Odin was in Asgard when he fought Thanos.
Until the destroyer is shown in action actually stacking power we can't say how it will perform. Against the Celestials, it was amped by the skyfathers and the essence of Asgard but could only muster a uppercut and visor blast that were no sold. The sword is not in this fight.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Against the Celestials, it was amped by the skyfathers
The power that it received from the Council of Godheads was part of the process of how it was forged. It's like saying that Captain America's shield was amped by vibranium. Doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by Sundipped
I hear alot of talk about Odin's one shots and that's fine and dandy but when gaging a fight between Odin and Tyrant, their respective performances against the same opponent (Thanos) takes precedence over the capability of a one shot. A one shot I'm sure everyone here can acknowledge Tyrant is capable of if need be.

Let's compare/contrast the 2 fights.
Thanos took a total of 5 shots from Odin. After the first 2, (one was tanked)

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/73bb1b5a-efc8-4c3c-becf-6193e916baaa_zpsca08e2b9.jpg Thanos had this to say: http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/76a6802c-af93-4268-a8f1-03bc1b403368_zps035d5270.jpg

After only one shot from Tyrant, Thanos crashes through the ceiling and is shown desperately reaching for the orb. Tyrant can be seen approaching in the background. This is a upgraded Thanos with the orb

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/1d4cd2df-6b69-45a6-8d22-5928cbb97650_zps15524b6b.jpg

At the end of those 5 shots from Odin, he considered himself still in the fight.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/3916dc98-1f45-47e9-a0d1-954c7b4cafdf_zpsba37caef.jpg

But after 3 attacks from Tyrant, death was certain.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/eb81437a-55bc-48b8-aa33-952883b1878c_zpsa0946db7.jpg

Thanos was noticably affected by all 3 shots from Tyrant. After 3 from Odin, Thanos managed to charge through a concentrated blast from the staff.

Based on all of this, it shows Tyrant can dish out more punishment in a shorter period and is a but higher on the scale. He should be able to earn a clear cut victory over Odin a majority of the time. In odin fight with thanos Odin underestimated Thanos Thus why odin gave Thanos some respect at the end. Odin at the start of the fight opened up with a back hand.

Also thanos was able to rock and hurt tyrant somewhat yet he failed to even budge Odin.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The power that it received from the Council of Godheads was part of the process of how it was forged. It's like saying that Captain America's shield was amped by vibranium. Doesn't make any sense.

It was stated that Odin took it to all of his peers to bestow a fraction of their powers to it. Every time it is in action, thats the power on display. However, only Odin and Asgard's essence flowed out of it after it got slagged in this and every other case where it is inhabited.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
In odin fight with thanos Odin underestimated Thanos Thus why odin gave Thanos some respect at the end. Odin at the start of the fight opened up with a back hand.

Also thanos was able to rock and hurt tyrant somewhat yet he failed to even budge Odin.

Odin said he hadn't fought a opponent like that in eons. How does underestimating Thanos diminish his performance?

Just about all of Thanos' offense was due to the orb. You see in the scans how badly he needed it.

1.Spilt...or Tyrant
2.Odin 7/10
3.Tyrant almost stomps

Originally posted by Sundipped
It was stated that Odin took it to all of his peers to bestow a fraction of their powers to it. Every time it is in action, thats the power on display. However, only Odin and Asgard's essence flowed out of it after it got slagged in this and every other case where it is inhabited.
If the intent behind this response was to post a refutation of my claims, then I am afraid that you failed to live upto that purpose.
Let's analyze what you said:

Part of the process of its forging. Which is in agreement to my original claim.

Ergo, only the Odinpower and the collective Asgardian lifeforce were the "amps" that it received for the battle with the Celestials.

Seems we're not at arms against each other afterall.

^
No refute. Been a while since I read that. I remember them being there but like it was stated on panel, it was only Odin and Asgard essences flowing out.

for the sake of reference though, thanos appeared to be able to impact tyrant far more than he was able to affect odin. he did nothing like any of these to odin:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/49922/1057397-tyrant8_super.jpg

http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/thanos/Thanos_Tyrant_5.jpg

and this scene was very reminiscent of the odin scene:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/24463/440948-strength9fg3_super.jpg

odin at no time seemed affected by anything thanos could do. tyrant displayed greater offense (but odin seemed to be ramping it up as the fight went along) but odin showed greater durability imo.

incidentally, it was proven on panel that the orb did NOT amp thanos at all for that fight. they held only knowledge, not power:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Tyrant_orbs3.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Tyrant_orbs4.jpg

in the end, he was going to lose to both. maybe tyrant could have killed him quicker, but tyrant also got pretty po'd a lot faster than odin did....so, meh.

Originally posted by Sundipped
I bet if we ask Thanos he would say Tyrant wins all 3. He did.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant, 3/3.

Originally posted by leonidas
for the sake of reference though, thanos appeared to be able to impact tyrant far more than he was able to affect odin. he did nothing like any of these to odin:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/49922/1057397-tyrant8_super.jpg

http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/thanos/Thanos_Tyrant_5.jpg

and this scene was very reminiscent of the odin scene:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/24463/440948-strength9fg3_super.jpg

odin at no time seemed affected by anything thanos could do. tyrant displayed greater offense (but odin seemed to be ramping it up as the fight went along) but odin showed greater durability imo.

So using this logic, Odin >>>>>>>Galactus :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/11/110199/2333504-2285448_696884_thanosblast_big_g2_super.jpg
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7776/brokec.jpg
Because "at no time did Odin seem affected by anything Thanos could do", yet look at what he did to Galactus : sent REELING hundreds of yards and armor broken and smoldering..


And those orbs DID hold power :
Originally posted by zopzop
Part II - The Jakar Section

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/1713/cosmicpowersunlimited03.th.jpg http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/1713/cosmicpowersunlimited03.th.jpg http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/1713/cosmicpowersunlimited03.th.jpg http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1713/cosmicpowersunlimited03.th.jpg

As some of you know, Jakar is the Stranger's rival. He constantly looks for ways to one up and conquer him. Jakar saw what went down between Thanos and Tyrant and wants the "Orbs of Knowledge" as he calls them from Tyrant as a source of power to one up the Stranger. He sends Jack of Hearts as a diversion and the two Spinsters will steal an Orb and bring it to Jakar.

The plan works and he gets his hands on an Orb and claims it's the key to helping him conquer this universe!

Some interesting Tyrant tidbits are to be found here too. He apparently puts himself in a self induced coma for whatever reason while he's not out conquering. And his worldship is of techno-organic nature.

Part II continued.... (after Tyrant's death)
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/1713/cosmicpowersunlimited03.th.jpg http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/1713/cosmicpowersunlimited03.th.jpg

This scene takes place after Tyrant and Galactus were "killed" by the UN backlash. Jakar still claims the Orb, once he unlocks it's power, will be key to helping him conquer the universe. When the Surfer threatens to destroy Jakar's tech (he has no innate power, all the stuff he does is because of his advance tech), he doesn't care "I have the Orb, I have no need of...".

So IMHO, taking all of this into consideration, Thanos was most definitely "amped" by the Orb when he took on Tyrant.

Coming soon, the Tyrant vs Jack of Hearts/Legacy/Ganymede/Terrax fight.

Originally posted by zopzop
So using this logic, Odin >>>>>>>Galactus :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/11/110199/2333504-2285448_696884_thanosblast_big_g2_super.jpg
http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/7776/brokec.jpg
Because "at no time did Odin seem affected by anything Thanos could do", yet look at what he did to Galactus : sent REELING hundreds of yards and armor broken and smoldering..


And those orbs DID hold power :

catching someone off-guard as he did galactus is pretty meaningless as i'm sure you're aware...... he clearly affected g there more than he did tyrant at any point of the fight as well. so tyrant>>>>galactus? ridiculous point zop. however, if you want to throw away any of the displayed impacts and affects of the fight, then why are you (and others) bothering to compare them in the first place. pretty pointless if you feel it leads to abc logic all the time. if that's the case, why compare ANY 2 fights? you're taking the comparison to a faulty conclusion to make a point that is illogical. both the tyrant and the odin fight were prolonged and better indicators than a single outburst at galactus--who was utterly unaffected anyway, aside from having his helmet knocked off.

so, yeah. your point is meaningless.

and i agree--if the orb's knowledge could have been unlocked it COULD have held power. just that thanos didn't USE the knowledge in it, therefore he did not USE the power in it. so, i disagree completely with that interpretation you posted.

Originally posted by leonidas
for the sake of reference though, thanos appeared to be able to impact tyrant far more than he was able to affect odin. he did nothing like any of these to odin:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/49922/1057397-tyrant8_super.jpg

http://www.universomarvel.com.aq/thanos/Thanos_Tyrant_5.jpg

and this scene was very reminiscent of the odin scene:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/24463/440948-strength9fg3_super.jpg

odin at no time seemed affected by anything thanos could do. tyrant displayed greater offense (but odin seemed to be ramping it up as the fight went along) but odin showed greater durability imo.

incidentally, it was proven on panel that the orb did NOT amp thanos at all for that fight. they held only knowledge, not power:

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Tyrant_orbs3.jpg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/Tyrant_orbs4.jpg

in the end, he was going to lose to both. maybe tyrant could have killed him quicker, but tyrant also got pretty po'd a lot faster than odin did....so, meh.

The second scan you posted is the only shot Thanos really got off. The first scan shows a followup shot behind him using the orb. He may not have gotten any off had it not been for that amp.

Also, on panel, we see energy projection coming from the orb during the fight which amped Thanos. Thats why Tyrant told him he was more than the others were right after he tanked the first blast. Even in the scan you posted, energy can be seen radiating around it.

Originally posted by Sundipped
The second scan you posted is the only shot Thanos really got off. The first scan shows a followup shot behind him using the orb. He may not have gotten any off had it not been for that amp.

Also, on panel, we see energy projection coming from the orb during the fight which amped Thanos. Thats why Tyrant told him he was more than the others were right after he tanked the first blast. Even in the scan you posted, energy can be seen radiating around it.

i used to believe the same thing, but either it was retconned to NOT be empowering, or it was poorly depicted in the first place. either way, i don't think the follow-up scans can really be logically refuted for that battle, which means we need to credit the fight to thanos' power alone. least imo. and follow-up shot or not, he did not come close to affecting odin the same way. i simply don't see a huge disparity between the 2 fights in general but maybe that's just me. thanos seemed to get under tyrant's skin and piss him off very quickly. odin just sort of seemed to continue to mount his damage. the approaches were different, the results the same imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
catching someone off-guard as he did galactus is pretty meaningless as i'm sure you're aware......
That's blatantly untrue. The scan was posted before and here it is again :
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2998/diepo.th.jpg
He did NOT take Galactus by surprise. Galactus turned to attack him and threatened him with death.


We can compare them because in the case of Tyrant (as opposed to Odin and Galactus), Thanos had six issues of prep and an amp. Terrax confirmed to Thanos that the orbs were his "greatest asset and his greatest vulnerability should they be used against him"
Originally posted by zopzop
The infamous "Orb" issue, you know what I'm talkin' bout!

Part I - The Thanos Section
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1849/cosmicpowers01thanospag.th.jpg http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1665/cosmicpowers02terraxpag.th.jpg http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1665/cosmicpowers02terraxpag.th.jpg http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1665/cosmicpowers02terraxpag.th.jpg

Thanos most definitely had prep going into the Tyrant fight. He sought out the person who had contact with him, survived and was willing to work with Thanos. That person was Terrax. Terrax told Thanos about the Orbs and how important they were to Tyrant. That he stores energy in the Orbs and can use it later as needed. Please note when he tells Thanos : Such a power reserve is Tyrant's greatest asset as well as his greatest vulnerability should it be turned against him.

Could this have been why Thanos was holding on to that Orb as if his life depended on it? Could this be why Thanos was blasting him and punching him with the Orb? Terrax's statement sort of fits what we later see Thanos doing in his fight vs Tyrant.
This was written by Marz, Tyrant's creator. Lackey ignored the orbs altogther and lastly Gallager (writer of the Jakar/Cosmic Powers unlimited story) and final person to write/mention Tyrant again has the orbs as a source of power.

So Thanos was amped.


Dude ON PANEL he used the orb to blast Tyrant in the face and that's what started off Thanos' offense.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Odin said he hadn't fought a opponent like that in eons. How does underestimating Thanos diminish his performance?

Just about all of Thanos' offense was due to the orb. You see in the scans how badly he needed it.

I wouldn't say diminish's thanos performance but it orange to apples.

Lets say Odin was only going 50% of his potenetial because he didn't think he needed more from the start but then he ended using 70%

Were as Tyrant came off from the start using 70%




Thanos just used the orb as a weapon weapon to bash tyrant

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Thanos just used the orb as a weapon weapon to bash tyrant
3-http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2385/thanostyrant3de0.th.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
i used to believe the same thing, but either it was retconned to NOT be empowering, or it was poorly depicted in the first place. either way, i don't think the follow-up scans can really be logically refuted for that battle, which means we need to credit the fight to thanos' power alone. least imo. and follow-up shot or not, he did not come close to affecting odin the same way. i simply don't see a huge disparity between the 2 fights in general but maybe that's just me. thanos seemed to get under tyrant's skin and piss him off very quickly. odin just sort of seemed to continue to mount his damage. the approaches were different, the results the same imo. l

I'm not buying a retcon (for what, how?) or poor depiction. Tyrant stated he wanted to keep Morg and I see why. It was his energy in that orb. The depiction makes perfect sense in that regard.

If you don't agree that him using that orb the second time led to that follow up, then that's your prerogative I guess. Don't see how you could think that though. If we were fighting and I struck you solidly with a weapon (baseball bat), that would easily make you vulnerable to the next oncoming shot if I act without hesitation like Thanos did. Same rules apply here.

Originally posted by zopzop

That's blatantly untrue. The scan was posted before and here it is again :
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2998/diepo.th.jpg
He did NOT take Galactus by surprise. Galactus turned to attack him and threatened him with death.

and? that doesn't in the least mean g was ready for what thanos did. he did NOT expect thanos to attack him. if he did not expect the attack, he was caught by surprise. had the fight went on, you think thanos could have done that a SECOND time?? not a chance in all the hells. in his overconfidence (something g is known for, especially in that arc....) he was going to treat thanos like a bug. thanos stung him first is all. threatening to kill him does not preclude an ability to be surprised by thanos's tactic. at all



i agree with one part--initially i also believe they were intended to be a source of power. later they were retconned. i don't like it. i don't think it makes sense (see the growing gauntlet thread for proof) yet i don't think most retcons make sense. they are what they are however. the orb possessed knowledge that if unlocked could lead to some type of undisclosed power. the one in question apparently held morg's at one point but not when thanos had it. so....we don't even know what kind of power the orb could have held were it unlocked. but in that battle thanos did NOT unlock it so, by retcon, we need to recognize that it was thanos alone who battled tyrant. no one likes it less than i do.




or, by retcon, it is thanos's power being directed through an apparently useless orb of knowledge. retcons suck but the world goes on.

Originally posted by Sundipped
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I'm not buying a retcon (for what, how?) or poor depiction. Tyrant stated he wanted to keep Morg and I see why. It was his energy in that orb. The depiction makes perfect sense in that regard.

If you don't agree that him using that orb the second time led to that follow up, then that's your prerogative I guess. Don't see how you could think that though. If we were fighting and I struck you solidly with a weapon (baseball bat), that would easily make you vulnerable to the next oncoming shot if I act without hesitation like Thanos did. Same rules apply here.

based on what was later revealed, it calls for a reinterpretation of the battle and the events of the battle. the orb held knowledge--it is stated, blatantly, a NUMBER of times in the follow-up arc. it is blatantly stated that the knowledge could be unlocked to provide some form of undisclosed power, but thanos did not unlock it, therefore, it was not a source of additional power by retconned interpretation.

as i've said--i agreed with you at one point, (for the longest time) but to allow your definition of the battle (and my own previous one) disregards the very clear and blatant retcon regarding the value of the orb. and that seems to be a stance one can only hold based on intransigence--or dislike for a character.

@zop--the prep mattered little to none. what specifically did he DO with his prep? how did it affect thanos, personally, and his power? it allowed his to gather the orb, but....so? the orb was meaningless. for all his prep, in the end it amounts to him, under his own power, fighting tyrant. just like he did against odin.

i doubt we'll ever agree. i can't really even fault the interpretation. i just think the retcon is pretty blatant and really shouldn't be disregarded.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
I wouldn't say diminish's thanos performance but it orange to apples.

Lets say Odin was only going 50% of his potenetial because he didn't think he needed more from the start but then he ended using 70%

Were as Tyrant came off from the start using 70%




Thanos just used the orb as a weapon weapon to bash tyrant

Only 50%. No, Odin put out more than that. Why summon the staff?
And no that wasn't Tyrant extremely pissed. Did you see the talons come out fighting Thanos like they did against Galactus?

If anything, Odin tried harder.

Originally posted by leonidas
based on what was later revealed, it calls for a reinterpretation of the battle and the events of the battle. the orb held knowledge--it is stated, blatantly, a NUMBER of times in the follow-up arc. it is blatantly stated that the knowledge could be unlocked to provide some form of undisclosed power, but thanos did not unlock it, therefore, it was not a source of additional power by retconned interpretation.

as i've said--i agreed with you at one point, (for the longest time) but to allow your definition of the battle (and my own previous one) disregards the very clear and blatant retcon regarding the value of the orb. and that seems to be a stance one can only hold based on intransigence--or dislike for a character.

@zop--the prep mattered little to none. what specifically did he DO with his prep? how did it affect thanos, personally, and his power? it allowed his to gather the orb, but....so? the orb was meaningless. for all his prep, in the end it amounts to him, under his own power, fighting tyrant. just like he did against odin.

i doubt we'll ever agree. i can't really even fault the interpretation. i just think the retcon is pretty blatant and really shouldn't be disregarded.

Don't see how you disregard the fact that Thanos is clearly shown aiming the orb with energy coming out twice. Oh well.

Can it not be possible that the orb can be used offensively (energy projection/blunt object) as well as containing certain secrets and knowledge? That's how I see it.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Don't see how you disregard the fact that Thanos is clearly shown aiming the orb with energy coming out twice. Oh well.

Can it not be possible that the orb can be used offensively (energy projection/blunt object) as well as containing certain secrets and knowledge? That's how I see it.

possible? maybe, that is just never overtly alluded to. like i said, when it was written and drawn, i believe you're right--it was certainly intended to be a source of added power. retcons, though changing the interpretation, can't change the pictures....it forces us (by definition) to come up with seemingly illogical explanations for past events and depictions. (think about all the scenes that needed to be reinterpreted as related to the pr beyonder....).

if you're convinced though, you're convinced. you clearly have zop in your corner. in the face of that later info, i just don't see a logical way to say it was a power source, when it was blatantly, and several times reiterated later on, to be nothing more than a source of KNOWLEDGE that might unlock some unknown power. of course, how you choose to see it is up to you.

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Just wanted to let you know the orb was noted as an orb of knowledge as stated by Thanos in the same comic right after they fought .

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/15486757_2586740-tyrant_35_36.jpg

Tyrant revealed and even bigger one. Who knows what secrets and power this one has.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/15486758_2586741-tyrant_37_38.jpg

Originally posted by Sundipped
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Just wanted to let you know the orb was noted as an orb of knowledge as stated by Thanos in the same comic right after they fought .

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/15486757_2586740-tyrant_35_36.jpg

Tyrant revealed and even bigger one. Who knows what secrets and power this one has.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/15486758_2586741-tyrant_37_38.jpg

yeah that had been pointed out to me in that other thread i dragged up. didn't know what to make of it then, still don't really know what to make of it. maybe you're right now and i was right back then... if you get a chance read through enyalus's arguments in the tyrant growing gauntlet thread i bumped and see if they make any more sense than i did here.

Originally posted by Sundipped
I hear alot of talk about Odin's one shots and that's fine and dandy but when gaging a fight between Odin and Tyrant, their respective performances against the same opponent (Thanos) takes precedence over the capability of a one shot. A one shot I'm sure everyone here can acknowledge Tyrant is capable of if need be.

Let's compare/contrast the 2 fights.
Thanos took a total of 5 shots from Odin. After the first 2, (one was tanked)

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/73bb1b5a-efc8-4c3c-becf-6193e916baaa_zpsca08e2b9.jpg Thanos had this to say: http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/76a6802c-af93-4268-a8f1-03bc1b403368_zps035d5270.jpg

After only one shot from Tyrant, Thanos crashes through the ceiling and is shown desperately reaching for the orb. Tyrant can be seen approaching in the background. This is a upgraded Thanos with the orb

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/1d4cd2df-6b69-45a6-8d22-5928cbb97650_zps15524b6b.jpg

At the end of those 5 shots from Odin, he considered himself still in the fight.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/3916dc98-1f45-47e9-a0d1-954c7b4cafdf_zpsba37caef.jpg

But after 3 attacks from Tyrant, death was certain.

http://i1292.photobucket.com/albums/b571/superior100/eb81437a-55bc-48b8-aa33-952883b1878c_zpsa0946db7.jpg

Thanos was noticably affected by all 3 shots from Tyrant. After 3 from Odin, Thanos managed to charge through a concentrated blast from the staff.

Based on all of this, it shows Tyrant can dish out more punishment in a shorter period and is a but higher on the scale. He should be able to earn a clear cut victory over Odin a majority of the time.
On the Left- Thanos after fighting Odin.
On the Right- Thanos after fighting Tyrant.


http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/or.jpg

Originally posted by Horrificus
On the Left- Thanos after fighting Odin.
On the Right- Thanos after fighting Tyrant.


http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/or.jpg
FAIL.

Way to take panels out of context though.

This is how the Tyrant/Thanos fight ended, with Thanos admitting Tyrant could kill him and running away.
http://imageshack.us/a/img255/4183/1632186901466thanosvsty.th.jpg

This is how the Odin/Thanos fight ended, with Thanos up ready for more, until Sif jumped in to end the fight :
http://imageshack.us/a/img5/8154/morewl.th.jpg

Or I could of pulled one of your moves and just posted this scan of the Tyrant/Thanos fight :
http://imageshack.us/a/img194/1636/getupw.jpg
like you did with this :
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/144/liey.jpg

But that would be taking scans out of context.

Originally posted by zopzop
3-http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2385/thanostyrant3de0.th.jpg



darkodin got served

Originally posted by zopzop
FAIL.

Way to take panels out of context though.

This is how the Tyrant/Thanos fight ended, with Thanos admitting Tyrant could kill him and running away.
http://imageshack.us/a/img255/4183/1632186901466thanosvsty.th.jpg

This is how the Odin/Thanos fight ended, with Thanos up ready for more, until Sif jumped in to end the fight :
http://imageshack.us/a/img5/8154/morewl.th.jpg

Or I could of pulled one of your moves and just posted this scan of the Tyrant/Thanos fight :
http://imageshack.us/a/img194/1636/getupw.jpg
like you did with this :
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/144/liey.jpg

But that would be taking scans out of context. It wasn't out of context.

Regardless of what was said, when Thanos was done fighting Tyrant, he was fine and cheery. He didn't care what happened during the battle because defeating Tyrant was never his motive. He was gaining information.

He never said anything to Odin, because he was unable to do so until somebody helped him. Then, he was so bloodlusted, he just charged again, without thinking. Much more serious with Odin, as he received a much worse beating.

When Odin was done with him, he was a smoldering ruin that needed time to get off the ground and also needed somebody to intervene, stall Odin and allow Thanos time to get his bearings before he decided he wanted more.

You could look at it as, Thanos seemed to have an ulterior motive in his battle with Tyrant and wasn't even serious.

And, even according to you, Thanos was so bloodlusted, he just didn't even care how bad he got beaten, once he was able, he wanted to fight again.

So, a bloodlusted Thanos did worse against Odin than a "toying" Thanos, on a mission to probe the depths of Tyrant's power, did against Tyrant.

And, against Tyrant, Thanos had an Orb to give him an amp. It's up to you how you want to spin that. Either way, it could bite you in the a$$.

^
Back to smoking crack Horrificus?
That wall of text and scans you post is nothing but spam and it really makes you look dumb because your stance is extremely weak. We tried to beat this into your thick skull a while back but I guess bad habits are hard to break.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by Sundipped
^
Back to smoking crack Horrificus?
That wall of text and scans you post is nothing but spam and it really makes you look dumb because your stance is extremely weak. We tried to beat this into your thick skull a while back but I guess bad habits are hard to break.

Stop embarrassing yourself. Psst. Hey. Genius.

Those aren't MY scans. I posted 1.

And, I posted 8 sentences.

And, YOU don't know enough to beat ANYTHING into my skull.

So, stop "piggybacking" your betters. You should find another forum where you can debate characters from "Where the Wild Things Are".

You are much to weak to think you can snap at me and chase me out of a thread.

edit

Thanos wasnt even remotely in the fight against Odin at the end...

Odin literally stood close by Thanos and ALLOWED Thanos to stand; it took 7 panels for Thanos to stand fully after the beatdown he recieved from Odin...

Not only that, Odin took no action against Thanos for those 7 panels; at any point inbetween Odin could have plunged Gungnir though the back of Thanos's neck and there wasnt anything Thanos could have done about it except die...

Anyone who thinks Thanos faired better against Odin than Tyrant is blinding themselves to the factual data above...

Originally posted by Sundipped
Only 50%. No, Odin put out more than that. Why summon the staff?
And no that wasn't Tyrant extremely pissed. Did you see the talons come out fighting Thanos like they did against Galactus?

If anything, Odin tried harder. I was just throwing out random numbers to compare and Odin grow to try tomatch Galactus's power i would think that was a bigger power increase then how every stronger tryant is with his talons

Originally posted by Horrificus
Psst. Hey. Genius.

Those aren't MY scans. I posted 1.

And, I posted 8 sentences.

And, YOU don't know enough to beat ANYTHING into my skull.

So, stop "piggybacking" your betters. You should find another forum where you can debate characters from "Where the Wild Things Are".

You are much to weak to think you can snap at me and chase me out of a thread.

You lie about how many sentences you type (you can't even get that right) and we're supposed to believe your fantasy take on the fight?

That's what I meant by stop embarrassing yourself.

Originally posted by zopzop
3-http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2385/thanostyrant3de0.th.jpg

Forgot about that was there also a panel were he bash tryant or iam going crazy

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Thanos wasnt even remotely in the fight against Odin at the end...

Odin literally stood close by Thanos and ALLOWED Thanos to stand; it took 7 panels for Thanos to stand fully after the beatdown he recieved from Odin...

Not only that, Odin took no action against Thanos for those 7 panels; at any point inbetween Odin could have plunged Gungnir though the back of Thanos's neck and there wasnt anything Thanos could have done about it except die...

Anyone who thinks Thanos faired better against Odin than Tyrant is blinding themselves to the factual data above...

How about you try and quantify the time elapsed during those 7 panels for us?

Speculation to assume if Odin attacked him while he was down it would've been effective.

Originally posted by Sundipped
How about you try and quantify the time elapsed during those 7 panels for us?

I'd be happy to...


Panel one: Odin has dropped Thanos to his knees and they converse; both are obscured by dust in this panel (important visual clue pertaining to time elapsed between this panel and the next)...

Panel two: Silence and the dust has settled (thus significant time has passed from panels 1 and 2); Odin is standing close by Thanos spear in hand and Thanos is still down on his knees...

Panel three: "Do you yeild villian?"

Panel four: Thanos starts to rise...

Panel five: Thanos is clearly staggering...

Panel six: Thanos continues to rise but is still staggered...

Panel seven: Thanos states "no."


Now, to respond your claim that an attack by Odin would have been ineffective during that period of time, I call call bulls**t; Thanos was still staggered at panel 6...Odin had PLENTY on time to attack the helpless Thanos between panels 1 and 7...plenty of time.

Thanos was defenseless and Odin had mercy on him...

Read em and weep...

Not that it would weigh a lot but
Thanos failed to affect Odin in the slightest but kinda effected Tyrant.
Maybe it was the orb that boosted Thanos stats or maybe it was a contradiction or maybe DP Tyrant isn't as powerful as we think (just look at the Gladiator fight).

@ Lord of Murder
I couldn't help but laugh.
I was laughing when I typed the question.
I bet he stood up faster than it took for you to type all that text.

Still speculation. Plus you forget about all the various shielding Thanos has.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I'd be happy to...


Panel one: Odin has dropped Thanos to his knees and they converse; both are obscured by dust in this panel (important visual clue pertaining to time elapsed between this panel and the next)...

Panel two: Silence and the dust has settled (thus significant time has passed from panels 1 and 2); Odin is standing close by Thanos spear in hand and Thanos is still down on his knees...

Panel three: "Do you yeild villian?"

Panel four: Thanos starts to rise...

Panel five: Thanos is clearly staggering...

Panel six: Thanos continues to rise but is still staggered...

Panel seven: Thanos states "no."


Now, to respond your claim that an attack by Odin would have been ineffective during that period of time, I call call bulls**t; Thanos was still staggered at panel 6...Odin had PLENTY on time to attack the helpless Thanos between panels 1 and 7...plenty of time.

Thanos was defenseless and Odin had mercy on him...

Read em and weep...

Originally posted by h1a8
Not that it would weigh a lot but
Thanos failed to affect Odin in the slightest but kinda effected Tyrant.
Maybe it was the orb that boosted Thanos stats or maybe it was a contradiction or maybe DP Tyrant isn't as powerful as we think (just look at the Gladiator fight).

Yes it was the orb and why you bring up Gladiator?
Tyrant koed him using BRB's body. Not sure where you were going with that.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I'd be happy to...


Panel one: Odin has dropped Thanos to his knees and they converse; both are obscured by dust in this panel (important visual clue pertaining to time elapsed between this panel and the next)...

Panel two: Silence and the dust has settled (thus significant time has passed from panels 1 and 2); Odin is standing close by Thanos spear in hand and Thanos is still down on his knees...

Panel three: "Do you yeild villian?"

Panel four: Thanos starts to rise...

Panel five: Thanos is clearly staggering...

Panel six: Thanos continues to rise but is still staggered...

Panel seven: Thanos states "no."


Now, to respond your claim that an attack by Odin would have been ineffective during that period of time, I call call bulls**t; Thanos was still staggered at panel 6...Odin had PLENTY on time to attack the helpless Thanos between panels 1 and 7...plenty of time.

Thanos was defenseless and Odin had mercy on him...

Read em and weep...



alright just to help my boy sundipped over here.

was there stated any time period between each pannel? who said it took as much time as you try to portray it? perhaps it all happened in 1 motion but the panels were there to show us this 1 motion of rising up step by step?
you see its just like lets say superman punch someone and you got several pannels focusing on the movement of the punch, each pannel shows the arm extended further and further, however its still a single punch.

therefor if there wasnt any time period stated between the pannels we cannot use them as in indication to thanos taking long time to get up, for all that we know he could get up within 2 seconds and the pannels just adding more drama and spotlight on that get up

Originally posted by Horrificus
It wasn't out of context.

Regardless of what was said, when Thanos was done fighting Tyrant, he was fine and cheery. He didn't care what happened during the battle because defeating Tyrant was never his motive. He was gaining information.

He never said anything to Odin, because he was unable to do so until somebody helped him. Then, he was so bloodlusted, he just charged again, without thinking. Much more serious with Odin, as he received a much worse beating.

When Odin was done with him, he was a smoldering ruin that needed time to get off the ground and also needed somebody to intervene, stall Odin and allow Thanos time to get his bearings before he decided he wanted more.

You could look at it as, Thanos seemed to have an ulterior motive in his battle with Tyrant and wasn't even serious.

And, even according to you, Thanos was so bloodlusted, he just didn't even care how bad he got beaten, once he was able, he wanted to fight again.

So, a bloodlusted Thanos did worse against Odin than a "toying" Thanos, on a mission to probe the depths of Tyrant's power, did against Tyrant.

And, against Tyrant, Thanos had an Orb to give him an amp. It's up to you how you want to spin that. Either way, it could bite you in the a$$.
Smoldering ruin? He was just fine. Even his clothes were barely singed. Compared to how he looked vs Tyrant with his outfit completely wrecked and his body all cut up.

And he took time to get up vs Tyrant too. Or did you ignore those scans?

This is why debating this topic is impossible. Haters ignore on panel evidence and make up sh|t as they go along.

Anyway, I'm done here.

@Sundipped
Don't waste your time. What's the point of "debating" people that ignore what's on panel and make up just so stories as they go along?

Originally posted by h1a8
Not that it would weigh a lot but
Thanos failed to affect Odin in the slightest but kinda effected Tyrant.
Maybe it was the orb that boosted Thanos stats or maybe it was a contradiction or maybe DP Tyrant isn't as powerful as we think (just look at the Gladiator fight).
Thanos affected Galactus more than he did Odin or Tyrant. Odin>>>Tyrant>>>>>>Galactus according to your "logic".

@red sabre

Thats BS and you know it; there was no speed blitzing or showing the motions of the punches or any nonsense going on...

The dust was there and had enough time to settle; fact.

Instead of taking advantage of the situation and thrashing Thanos, Odin spoke to him; fact.

Thanos took several panels to stand and he was staggering in all of them except the last one (panel 7); fact.


So please stop with the garbage defenses for Thanos; he got his @ss kicked by Odin and Odin had mercy on him instead of finishing him off...

Thanos recieved a stay of execution...

Read em and weep...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@red sabre

Thats BS and you know it; there was no speed blitzing or showing the motions of the punches or any nonsense going on...

The dust was there and had enough time to settle; fact.

Instead of taking advantage of the situation and thrashing Thanos, Odin spoke to him; fact.

Thanos took several panels to stand and he was staggering in all of them except the last one (panel 7); fact.


So please stop with the garbage defenses for Thanos; he got his @ss kicked by Odin and Odin had mercy on him instead of finishing him off...

Thanos recieved a stay of execution...

Read em and weep...



post the scans, first of all do we really see the dust settle? or do we see the dust reaching a point where thanos is just visible however the dust is still in the air? the artist didnt put too much focus on the dust further because he wanted to portray a visibility towards thanos perhaps? and besides all that it takes a small portion of dust mere seconds to disappear in the first place its not like it was a sand storm in the desert it was just dust.

again show me a proof of the time period between each of those pannels, show me a statement stating there is a time limit between each pannel and that those pannels werent meant to portray a motion devided into several pannels.

odin spoke to thanos however there is no evidence it took as you say long time for thanos to get up therefor there is no proof odin could take such an advantage, odin could use this momentum however its clearly not the way you are trying to portray it with nothing but idiotic speculations.

i will say it again, show me a statement or a proof to some sort of a time period between those pannels, as i said earlier those pannels could be a spotlight on the 1 motion thanos made to get up, unless you provide me a proof that his get up was made by several motions with time periods between each, you are talking out of your a$$.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll say odin in all 3. 1 and 3 are close enough that i wouldn't give either a sweep though.

He might win no. 2.. but that would be it... No. 3 is a stomp in Tyrant's favor

Are people ACTUALLY saying he looked better against Tyrant than Odin LMAO... Against Tyrant his clothes weren't TOTALLY burnt off and he was all cut up.. Against Odin his clothes were almost completly in tact with no cuts or damage visible. If you ask Thanos... He would laugh at this thread being made... Tyrant clearly came off as looking superior to Odin.

Also, are people being stupid on purpose or just stupid in general. Thanos ddn't just go LOOKING FOR THE ORB. HE WENT LOOKING FOR A FIGHT.. HE WANTED TO TEST HIS MIGHT. He prepped... amped his blasts with an orb and still got beaten by Tyrant. Whom he ADMITTED who kill him.No small feat to get Thanos to say that. Against Odin.. he WASN'T looking for a fight... in fact wanted Odn's help... didn't prep.. didn't amp.... and was ready to fit on and NEVER admitted any superiority for Odin.

What can we take from all this... Tyrant wins all except maybe 2.

Originally posted by zopzop



Thanos affected Galactus more than he did Odin or Tyrant. Odin>>>Tyrant>>>>>>Galactus according to your "logic".

Galactus wasn't expecting Thanos to blast him. He didn't brace. Galactus has tanked far more than a Thanos blast.

By my logic I gave a three scenario proposition. If prop. 1 doesn't work then try prop. 2, and if that doesn't work then prop. 3

So again, my logic is flawless.

@red sabre

Your entire argument is garbage...

Look up the fight yourself and you'll see that you are the one talking out your @ss...

And, no, I wont post scans for you as we've all seen them before millions of times; get off your @ss and find them yourself...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@red sabre

Your entire argument is garbage...

Look up the fight yourself and you'll see that you are the one talking out your @ss...

And, no, I wont post scans for you as we've all seen them before millions of times; get off your @ss and find them yourself...

He asked you to post scans. Saying his argument is garbage isn't debating. Prove him wrong. If you can't then you concede.

Originally posted by Sundipped
You lie about how many sentences you type (you can't even get that right) and we're supposed to believe your fantasy take on the fight?

That's what I meant by stop embarrassing yourself. Um. OK. I gave the incorrect number of sentences in a post. So, I guess you are right. I am now a "Liar". You got me. Your debating skills are truly formidable.
And, I am in ruins.

Originally posted by zopzop
Smoldering ruin? He was just fine. Even his clothes were barely singed. Compared to how he looked vs Tyrant with his outfit completely wrecked and his body all cut up.

And he took time to get up vs Tyrant too. Or did you ignore those scans?

This is why debating this topic is impossible. Haters ignore on panel evidence and make up sh|t as they go along.

Anyway, I'm done here.

@Sundipped
Don't waste your time. What's the point of "debating" people that ignore what's on panel and make up just so stories as they go along?


Thanos affected Galactus more than he did Odin or Tyrant. Odin>>>Tyrant>>>>>>Galactus according to your "logic". Why so serious?

Well, I wish I cared more about this match up, but I can't seem to muster up any real "bile".

I can stand behind my argument in Odin's favor, quite easily. On-panel, Odin seemed to show a more decisive defeat of Thanos. These details are what I have been defending.

To give a kick in the balls to any of you that were so frightened by my arguments, that you had to stoop to attacking my credibility and honesty, I give you this:

In truth, according to statements and printed history, Tyrant SHOULD be on a tier above Odin. Obviously, Tyrant has proven himself to have the ability to raise himself to the point of being a potential threat to Universal Abstract Entities, although this level of power has not been shown to be his usual nature.

So, based on comic book data, yes, Tyrant should be a level above Odin and able to defeat him.

Does this take anything from an argument that is stating that Thanos had a more decisive loss against Odin, than Tyrant? No. Everybody has a bad day.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Well, I wish I cared more about this match up, but I can't seem to muster up any real "bile".

I can stand behind my argument in Odin's favor, quite easily. On-panel, Odin seemed to show a more decisive defeat of Thanos. These details are what I have been defending.

To give a kick in the balls to any of you that were so frightened by my arguments, that you had to stoop to attacking my credibility and honesty, I give you this:

In truth, according to statements and printed history, Tyrant SHOULD be on a tier above Odin. Obviously, Tyrant has proven himself to have the ability to raise himself to the point of being a potential threat to Universal Abstract Entities, although this level of power has not been shown to be his usual nature.

So, based on comic book data, yes, Tyrant should be a level above Odin and able to defeat him.

Does this take anything from an argument that is stating that Thanos had a more decisive loss against Odin, than Tyrant? No. Everybody has a bad day.

The problem is that you are, in a way, using the A, B, C logic; which is explicitly forbidden based on it's complete lack of credibility. Furthermore, you are utilizing an even more obscure form of A, B,C logic which smells of a lack of integrity.
That also seems to be the only point you are clinging to, which shows an extreme bias towards Odin.........

Originally posted by Horrificus
Why so serious?
Shut up
Originally posted by Horrificus
Well, I wish I cared more about this match up, but I can't seem to muster up any real "bile".

I can stand behind my argument in Odin's favor, quite easily. On-panel, Odin seemed to show a more decisive defeat of Thanos. These details are what I have been defending.

To give a kick in the balls to any of you that were so frightened by my arguments, that you had to stoop to attacking my credibility and honesty, I give you this:

In truth, according to statements and printed history, Tyrant SHOULD be on a tier above Odin. Obviously, Tyrant has proven himself to have the ability to raise himself to the point of being a potential threat to Universal Abstract Entities, although this level of power has not been shown to be his usual nature.

So, based on comic book data, yes, Tyrant should be a level above Odin and able to defeat him.

Does this take anything from an argument that is stating that Thanos had a more decisive loss against Odin, than Tyrant? No. Everybody has a bad day.
Except it's not true. The on panel evidence speaks for itself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He asked you to post scans. Saying his argument is garbage isn't debating. Prove him wrong. If you can't then you concede.

More Quanchi fueled BS...

Every single person who has posted in this thread has seen that fight 20+ times and has the scenes memorized; he's trying to BS his way to making Thanos seem to be better than he really is just like you are...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I'd be happy to...


Panel one: Odin has dropped Thanos to his knees and they converse; both are obscured by dust in this panel (important visual clue pertaining to time elapsed between this panel and the next)...

Panel two: Silence and the dust has settled (thus significant time has passed from panels 1 and 2); Odin is standing close by Thanos spear in hand and Thanos is still down on his knees...

Panel three: "Do you yeild villian?"

Panel four: Thanos starts to rise...

Panel five: Thanos is clearly staggering...

Panel six: Thanos continues to rise but is still staggered...

Panel seven: Thanos states "no."


Now, to respond your claim that an attack by Odin would have been ineffective during that period of time, I call call bulls**t; Thanos was still staggered at panel 6...Odin had PLENTY on time to attack the helpless Thanos between panels 1 and 7...plenty of time.

Thanos was defenseless and Odin had mercy on him...

Read em and weep...



I say again, we all know the above scenes by heart; no need to post them...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
More Quanchi fueled BS...

Every single person who has posted in this thread has seen that fight 20+ times and has the scenes memorized; he's trying to BS his way to making Thanos seem to be better than he really is just like you are... Saying a poster's argument is crap isn't countering his argument. If you aren't going to post scans then at least counter but if you cannot then you concede.

Originally posted by zopzop
Shut up

Except it's not true. The on panel evidence speaks for itself. OK.

Well, that's your opinion. And I have no problem with you or anybody else having a different opinion from mine.

However, calling somebody a liar or attacking their integrity because they do not agree with you is usually the simplest, most cowardly avenue available.

Your opinion is, by no means, shared by anything like a majority of forum members when it comes to this subject.

And, the hilarious thing is, every time I see the same group of you in these threads, you all suddenly go from Jekyl to Hyde. So, I think the creepy levels of bias fall more on you guys than on me.

You can say whatever you want. In my opinion, a smiling, rested Thanos, claiming a victory of sorts, will always seem to have fared better than a smoldering, silent Thanos written to show several panels passing for the time it takes to stand. That was done for a REASON zop. And THAT reason was not to show how fast Thanos got back up and how well he was doing. It was to show just how f'd up he got from Odin. Plain and simple.

It doesn't matter what happened to Thanos' uniform. Who knows what type of attacks Odin and Tyrant used. Obviously, Tyrant's burnt off his clothes, where Odin's took the wind out of his sails. 2 different things happening.

But, if you don't agree, I'm not going to be a d!ck head to you or call you names or say you are lying about anything. You just disagree.

Whatever.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying a poster's argument is crap isn't countering his argument. If you aren't going to post scans then at least counter but if you cannot then you concede.

Reading comprehension isnt a strength of yours...is it?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I'd be happy to...


Panel one: Odin has dropped Thanos to his knees and they converse; both are obscured by dust in this panel (important visual clue pertaining to time elapsed between this panel and the next)...

Panel two: Silence and the dust has settled (thus significant time has passed from panels 1 and 2); Odin is standing close by Thanos spear in hand and Thanos is still down on his knees...

Panel three: "Do you yeild villian?"

Panel four: Thanos starts to rise...

Panel five: Thanos is clearly staggering...

Panel six: Thanos continues to rise but is still staggered...

Panel seven: Thanos states "no."


Now, to respond your claim that an attack by Odin would have been ineffective during that period of time, I call call bulls**t; Thanos was still staggered at panel 6...Odin had PLENTY on time to attack the helpless Thanos between panels 1 and 7...plenty of time.

Thanos was defenseless and Odin had mercy on him...

Read em and weep...



red sabre=countered and owned.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Reading comprehension isnt a strength of yours...is it? That isn't a retort. You simply flame and avoid a debate at all costs.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
@red sabre

Your entire argument is garbage...

Look up the fight yourself and you'll see that you are the one talking out your @ss...

And, no, I wont post scans for you as we've all seen them before millions of times; get off your @ss and find them yourself...



prove me wrong, i brought you an argument and all you are doing is trash talking? i guess you can smell the loss Lol, consider yourself owned.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
red sabre=countered and owned.



no you did not counter my argument, it seems like you are the one having reading comprehension so i will ask you again and repeat my points.

we see several pannels which portray thanos rising up, however was there any statement or any kind of evidence that there is a notable time period between each pannel? for all that we know thanos could rise with only 1 or 2 motions and all those pannels were meant to put a spotlight on his get up, just like sometimes you got superman punch someone and you see several pannels focusing on him extracting his arm further and further however all those pannels are just 1 punch.

you either prove me being wrong or you basically cant, therefor you canot use this thanos moment the way you are trying to use it and portray the situation as if its taking him a long time to rise.

now is that simple enough for you?

Two days later and this fight is a comparison of artists' rendition?

People are seriously comparing the quality of Thanos' clothing after each fight?

Originally posted by curryman
Two days later and this fight is a comparison of artists' rendition?

People are seriously comparing the quality of Thanos' clothing after each fight?

Lol..

Originally posted by Horrificus
OK.

Well, that's your opinion. And I have no problem with you or anybody else having a different opinion from mine.

However, calling somebody a liar or attacking their integrity because they do not agree with you is usually the simplest, most cowardly avenue available.

Your opinion is, by no means, shared by anything like a majority of forum members when it comes to this subject.

And, the hilarious thing is, every time I see the same group of you in these threads, you all suddenly go from Jekyl to Hyde. So, I think the creepy levels of bias fall more on you guys than on me.

You can say whatever you want. In my opinion, a smiling, rested Thanos, claiming a victory of sorts, will always seem to have fared better than a smoldering, silent Thanos written to show several panels passing for the time it takes to stand. That was done for a REASON zop. And THAT reason was not to show how fast Thanos got back up and how well he was doing. It was to show just how f'd up he got from Odin. Plain and simple.

It doesn't matter what happened to Thanos' uniform. Who knows what type of attacks Odin and Tyrant used. Obviously, Tyrant's burnt off his clothes, where Odin's took the wind out of his sails. 2 different things happening.

But, if you don't agree, I'm not going to be a d!ck head to you or call you names or say you are lying about anything. You just disagree.

Whatever.
LIAR!Just kidding

Originally posted by curryman
Two days later and this fight is a comparison of artists' rendition?

People are seriously comparing the quality of Thanos' clothing after each fight?
Well you had people counting panels till Thanos rose up (Tryant vs Odin) as if that proved something (while ignoring the outcome of the ON PANEL FIGHT).

So if artist rendition of Thanos after each fight is meaningless (Thanos look tore up vs Tyrant but barely singed vs Odin), why is panel counting a more legit criteria of who beat him up more badly?

I mean different artists, different interpretations.

Originally posted by zopzop
So if artist rendition of Thanos after each fight is meaningless (Thanos look tore up vs Tyrant but barely singed vs Odin), why is panel counting a more legit criteria of who beat him up more badly?

It's not *shrug*

To me it's more a case of him being able to return fire in one fight and not in the other. On the other hand he fared better against Odin's attacks.

In the end I don't think those two fights are enough. We need to look elsewhere.

Are all of these panels from the same fight between Thanos and Tyrant?


http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/Tyrant%20Odin%20Thanos/thetyrantvsthanosbattle_zps9198b780.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/Tyrant%20Odin%20Thanos/Thanos_Tyrant_3_zps2d44e7d0.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/Tyrant%20Odin%20Thanos/1057397-tyrant8_super_zps76ee2500.jpg

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/Tyrant%20Odin%20Thanos/thanostyrant1_zps08ebcf77.jpg

^What does showing Thanos clearly using the orb prove? It amped his attacks and provided a opening for a followup shot. It's like you
don't even bother reading the logical explanations but are quick to go to great lengths to make your severely crippled stance set in stone.

Like I said earlier, you do nothing but embarrass yourself, spam pages, ignore on panel depictions, on panel statements, and defy reasonable logic. Your bias toward Odin is unparalleled and you have no idea how bad you're showing it. Either that or you're just flat out stupid. Not trying to sound harsh but that's the way it really looks.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Are people ACTUALLY saying he looked better against Tyrant than Odin LMAO... Against Tyrant his clothes weren't TOTALLY burnt off and he was all cut up.. Against Odin his clothes were almost completly in tact with no cuts or damage visible. If you ask Thanos... He would laugh at this thread being made... Tyrant clearly came off as looking superior to Odin.

Also, are people being stupid on purpose or just stupid in general. Thanos ddn't just go LOOKING FOR THE ORB. HE WENT LOOKING FOR A FIGHT.. HE WANTED TO TEST HIS MIGHT. He prepped... amped his blasts with an orb and still got beaten by Tyrant. Whom he ADMITTED who kill him.No small feat to get Thanos to say that. Against Odin.. he WASN'T looking for a fight... in fact wanted Odn's help... didn't prep.. didn't amp.... and was ready to fit on and NEVER admitted any superiority for Odin.

What can we take from all this... Tyrant wins all except maybe 2.

STill waiting on a response to this...

Originally posted by Sundipped
^What does showing Thanos clearly using the orb prove? It amped his attacks and provided a opening for a followup shot. It's like you
don't even bother reading the logical explanations but are quick to go to great lengths to make your severely crippled stance set in stone.

It's worst than that, they (it's not just him) completely ignore ON PANEL evidence like this regarding the Orb :

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1849/cosmicpowers01thanospag.th.jpg http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/1665/cosmicpowers02terraxpag.th.jpg http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1665/cosmicpowers02terraxpag.th.jpg http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1665/cosmicpowers02terraxpag.th.jpg

It's sort of annoying too.

Originally posted by red sabre
no you did not counter my argument, it seems like you are the one having reading comprehension so i will ask you again and repeat my points.

we see several pannels which portray thanos rising up, however was there any statement or any kind of evidence that there is a notable time period between each pannel? for all that we know thanos could rise with only 1 or 2 motions and all those pannels were meant to put a spotlight on his get up, just like sometimes you got superman punch someone and you see several pannels focusing on him extracting his arm further and further however all those pannels are just 1 punch.

you either prove me being wrong or you basically cant, therefor you canot use this thanos moment the way you are trying to use it and portray the situation as if its taking him a long time to rise.

now is that simple enough for you?

So you admit that you know the panels in question...

Good...no need for you to attempt to deflect your phail argument with such nonsense from this point on then.

As for your argument itself, its bull crap; you know the dust obscures them in the 1st panel and in the 2nd it no longer does...its called a visual clue...yes, there is nothing saying exactly how much time has elapsed between each panel but enough time has elapsed so that the dust has settled...got it?

I hope so...I kinda think you are using the "play dumb" tactic to win this argument...just like Quanchi does when I have his back against the wall pertaining to Thanos.

The rest of the panels are self explanatory and dont fall under the example you are attempting to make with Supermans fist...


The bottomline is that Odin had time and opportunity to attack a defenseless Thanos but chose not to (he had mercy on him); anyone with common sense and a working pair of eyes can clearly see that...

Unfortunately, Thanos fanboys lack these attributes when Thanos is involved in the discussion...

Originally posted by Sundipped
^What does showing Thanos clearly using the orb prove? It amped his attacks and provided a opening for a followup shot. It's like you
don't even bother reading the logical explanations but are quick to go to great lengths to make your severely crippled stance set in stone.

Like I said earlier, you do nothing but embarrass yourself, spam pages, ignore on panel depictions, on panel statements, and defy reasonable logic. Your bias toward Odin is unparalleled and you have no idea how bad you're showing it. Either that or you're just flat out stupid. Not trying to sound harsh but that's the way it really looks. Once again, "Genius", you are not really looking at or reading my posts. You are just glancing and insulting.

I specifically asked, to be sure, if those panels were from the same fight. I asked this because I had collected the scans over time and did not want to say anything out of context, or untrue.

So, I actually ASKED my opposition to clarify.

I STATED NOTHING.

You really need to think before posting.

And, concerning the Orb:

The argument of the orb being responsible for Thanos superior performance against Tyrant does not make sense in the least.

Do you all know why? Because of this:
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/15486758_2586741-tyrant_37_38.jpg

This is not the angle you would want to use to defend your argument.
You are basically saying that Tyrant, with ALL of these orbs, was still, only barely able to defeat Thanos.
So, without the orbs, what exactly IS Tyrant? Aunt May?

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, concerning the Orb:

The argument of the orb being responsible for Thanos superior performance against Tyrant does not make sense in the least.

Do you all know why? Because of this:
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/15486758_2586741-tyrant_37_38.jpg

This is not the angle you would want to use to defend your argument.
You are basically saying that Tyrant, with ALL of these orbs, was still, only barely able to defeat Thanos.
So, without the orbs, what exactly IS Tyrant? Aunt May?
You know why your argument makes NO sense? Because you ASSUME Tryant had access to his orbs and their power even if he wasn't in actual contact with them.

Originally posted by Sundipped
^What does showing Thanos clearly using the orb prove? It amped his attacks and provided a opening for a followup shot. It's like you
don't even bother reading the logical explanations but are quick to go to great lengths to make your severely crippled stance set in stone.

Like I said earlier, you do nothing but embarrass yourself, spam pages, ignore on panel depictions, on panel statements, and defy reasonable logic. Your bias toward Odin is unparalleled and you have no idea how bad you're showing it. Either that or you're just flat out stupid. Not trying to sound harsh but that's the way it really looks. And, I DID read the story. Against Tyrant, Thanos was on a fact-finding mission. A "probe". All the way up until he found out what he wanted to know and then, casually took off. Hell, even even explains that he wasn't really there to defeat Tyrant and that the mission was more important than the outcome of their battle.

Against Odin, regardless of why he was there, he ended up bloodlusted. As you all keep pointing out, he wanted nothing but to defeat Odin, even after getting smacked around like a lil' ole lady. He didn't CARE about why he was there anymore.

You can't have it both ways.

Was Thanos bloodlusted against Odin so much, that even after his beating, he still wanted more? He couldn't even care about why he was there anymore.

Against Tyrant, wasn't Thanos able to just smile, say "mission accomplished", and take off?

Which opponent did he try harder to defeat?

Still waiting on somone on the pro Odin side to address my post.

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, I DID read the story. Against Tyrant, Thanos was on a fact-finding mission. A "probe". All the way up until he found out what he wanted to know and then, casually took off. Hell, even even explains that he wasn't really there to defeat Tyrant and that the mission was more important than the outcome of their battle.

Against Odin, regardless of why he was there, he ended up bloodlusted. As you all keep pointing out, he wanted nothing but to defeat Odin, even after getting smacked around like a lil' ole lady. He didn't CARE about why he was there anymore.

You can't have it both ways.

Was Thanos bloodlusted against Odin so much, that even after his beating, he still wanted more? He couldn't even care about why he was there anymore.

Against Tyrant, wasn't Thanos able to just smile, say "mission accomplished", and take off?

Which opponent did he try harder to defeat?

Address my post buddy.. I'm still waiting. but I will address yours again... Thanos WASN'T THERE ON A MISSION to find the orb and capture it. HIS MISSION AS CLEARLY STATED ON PANEL WAS TO TEST HIS FIGHT AND FIND A WORTH FOE. That was his mission first and foremost. Upon PREPPING for many comic books (ya know that thign he didn't do with Odin) he found out that Tyrant's orbs can be used against him in a fight. THAT is why he gained the orb.. to again BATTLE TYRANT and TEST HIS MIGHT. His mission wasn't the rob. Once he realized he was going to get killed.. he decided to cut his losses and figure out what was so special about these orbs Tyrant coveted so much. Simple. Please stop acting like his mission was the orb.. he stated his mission very clearly on panel.

Originally posted by zopzop
You know why your argument makes NO sense? Because you ASSUME Tryant had access to his orbs and their power even if he wasn't in actual contact with them. If he didn't have access to that power, why did he have them? Why were they shown? How will they help him? Is he going to carry them in his pockets in a future battle with Galactus? Or stuff them up his shiny metal sphincter?

Or, are you just assuming that he DOESN'T have access to their power? And, if you are, does that mean that we are not allowed to assume that he does have access to the power? Why? How does that logic work? I just want to know and I will be happy to agree with you.

A few pages back, I even warned against the use of the orbs in this argument. This was why. It gets very messy.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Still waiting on somone on the pro Odin side to address my post.

Well I dont consider myself "Pro-Odin."

Infact I actually agree with your assessment (your position is that Odin may win in #2 but loses the rest...right?).

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Address my post buddy.. I'm still waiting. but I will address yours again... Thanos WASN'T THERE ON A MISSION to find the orb and capture it. HIS MISSION AS CLEARLY STATED ON PANEL WAS TO TEST HIS FIGHT AND FIND A WORTH FOE. That was his mission first and foremost. Upon PREPPING for many comic books (ya know that thign he didn't do with Odin) he found out that Tyrant's orbs can be used against him in a fight. THAT is why he gained the orb.. to again BATTLE TYRANT and TEST HIS MIGHT. His mission wasn't the rob. Once he realized he was going to get killed.. he decided to cut his losses and figure out what was so special about these orbs Tyrant coveted so much. Simple. Please stop acting like his mission was the orb.. he stated his mission very clearly on panel. I don't think it was ONLY about the orb. But, it was to test himself against Tyrant, feel him out and obviously, get a better look at his power sources.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Well I dont consider myself "Pro-Odin."

Infact I actually agree with your assessment (your position is that Odin may win in #2 but loses the rest...right?).
That's because you are actually a fair poster, it's just that you have a legendary beef with Quan and Nihilist. starwars

Originally posted by zopzop
That's because you are actually a fair poster, it's just that you have a legendary beef with Quan and Nihilist. starwars

Thank you! I take that as a compliment!

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
He might win no. 2.. but that would be it... No. 3 is a stomp in Tyrant's favor

iyo you mean.

Odin wins 1 and 2. Three could go either way depending on what power Odin is allowed to tap into.

Incorrect. Tyrant is Odin's Superior.. He'll prob just end up KOing himself on Tyrant.

lol cuz THAT's pretty consistent with his character throughout history....

@rage--i agree.

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, I DID read the story. Against Tyrant, Thanos was on a fact-finding mission. A "probe". All the way up until he found out what he wanted to know and then, casually took off. Hell, even even explains that he wasn't really there to defeat Tyrant and that the mission was more important than the outcome of their battle.

Against Odin, regardless of why he was there, he ended up bloodlusted. As you all keep pointing out, he wanted nothing but to defeat Odin, even after getting smacked around like a lil' ole lady. He didn't CARE about why he was there anymore.

You can't have it both ways.

Was Thanos bloodlusted against Odin so much, that even after his beating, he still wanted more? He couldn't even care about why he was there anymore.

Against Tyrant, wasn't Thanos able to just smile, say "mission accomplished", and take off?

Which opponent did he try harder to defeat?

Thanos didn't try to defeat Tyrant because he knew he can't. He just wanted to engage and get the data he wanted.

Tyrant
Odin
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Odin wins 1 and 2. Three could go either way depending on what power Odin is allowed to tap into.

Originally posted by zopzop
That's because you are actually a fair poster, it's just that you have a legendary beef with Quan and Nihilist. starwars He isn't fair at all.

And, just to be clear, I believe that Tyrant SHOULD be able to defeat Odin. According to who and what he is, the win should be his.

But, for whatever reasons, using Thanos as a "measuring stick", Odin performed better in my opinion.

I am simply defending Odin's position without impunity or prejudice. He is my client and he has a case.

Maybe, it can be said that Odin had more power because his battle took place in Asgard and he was able to pull power from the entire dimension.

Or, maybe Tyrant did not do as well against Thanos because he chose not to, or he is still damaged from his ancient battle with Galactus, or maybe Thanos had another edge that was not mentioned.

Who knows?

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
So you admit that you know the panels in question...

Good...no need for you to attempt to deflect your phail argument with such nonsense from this point on then.

As for your argument itself, its bull crap; you know the dust obscures them in the 1st panel and in the 2nd it no longer does...its called a visual clue...yes, there is nothing saying exactly how much time has elapsed between each panel but enough time has elapsed so that the dust has settled...got it?

I hope so...I kinda think you are using the "play dumb" tactic to win this argument...just like Quanchi does when I have his back against the wall pertaining to Thanos.

The rest of the panels are self explanatory and dont fall under the example you are attempting to make with Supermans fist...


The bottomline is that Odin had time and opportunity to attack a defenseless Thanos but chose not to (he had mercy on him); anyone with common sense and a working pair of eyes can clearly see that...

Unfortunately, Thanos fanboys lack these attributes when Thanos is involved in the discussion...



me knowing how the fight went has nothing to do with the fact i simply asked you to post the scans so i can make myself more clear, if you got some E rage just because someone ask if you can post the scans then i would recommend a psychological help.

how is my argument fail if you didnt adress my point nor did you deflect them.

as i said again if you reffering to the dust in the first pannel and then disappearing then as i said before a small portion of dust can vanish within mere seconds, its not a sand storm but a minor portion of dust, beside that do we know the dust is all gone from the air? i think the artist intention was to portray a situation where you can suddenly see thanos therefor its a visibility issue , however as i pointed out such a portion of dust can disappear within mere seconds at least to the point the object is visible.

prove it, i say the rest of the panels simply put a dramatic spotlight on his get up movement prove me wrong, show me an evidence or proof that there was some period of time between each pannel which can put this whole scene as you say it was.

you really have some mental issues arent you, "tactics to win this argument"? "back against the wall"? you realise its just a forum discussion right? you realise we are not in court and you are not judged to life or death right? and you do realise i am not trying any tactic but just having a discussion and looking at the events from a more deep point of view, i presented you an option which you just cant decline because there is no way you can prove that there was a significant time period between each of those panels, so instead of saying "hey thats a possibility" you just go ape shit like i just stole the politzer prize from you, again you did not reffer to my points with anything but insults, i seriously think you should seek professional help since it seems like you are losing attachment to reality.

of course odin had a chance to attack thanos no question about that, however you are trying to stretch it to the point you can think odin could go back home watch some NFL eat shome chips come back and thanos would be still getting up, again if you cannot prove there was a time period between those scans you cannot say it took thanos that much of a time to get up and regroup himself.

Just as a side-note; I'm a bit confused about the meaning of the orb that Thanos used. It was obvious that it played a role in the Thanos-Tyrant fight, but it was also explicitly stated that the orb contained knowledge.

LOM does try and stretch the point about Odin continuing to attack Thanos when he's down and saying he could've killed. Thanos could've VERY easily teleported out of there and left with utter ease. Odin wasn't killing anything that day... The worst that was going to happen was Thanos was going to flee and be hurt when doing so.

Glad you admit that Odin was showing mercy by allowing Thanos the time needed for him to struggle back to his feat.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Glad you admit that Odin was showing mercy by allowing Thanos the time needed for him to struggle back to his feat. Odin failed to put him down and respected him as an opponent. Arguing otherwise is speculation. It's back to his feet not feat.

Thanos was down, Odin was just nice enough to allow him the time needed to struggle back to his feet.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Glad you admit that Odin was showing mercy by allowing Thanos the time needed for him to struggle back to his feat. There is ZERO way to know how long THanos was down for... thus no way to say what Odin could or coulnd't have done.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
There is ZERO way to know how long THanos was down for... thus no way to say what Odin could or coulnd't have done.

We know he was down and that Odin was nice enough not to attack him while he was struggling back to his feet.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thanos was down, Odin was just nice enough to allow him the time needed to struggle back to his feet. Speculation. Odin's own words contradict your fanfic.

Not speculation, the comic clearly shows Odin allowing Thanos the time needed to struggle back to his feet.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not speculation, the comic clearly shows Odin allowing Thanos the time needed to struggle back to his feet.

Don't bother with the nay-sayers, the Thanosi admitted that Odin won

Why do people give Odin the win in scenario 3?

The Destroyer with Odin AND the essence of Asgard couldn't do anything to any Celestial barring the sword which he doesn't have for this fight. Full Power Tyrant has power output that can destroy galaxies in battle as indicated by Thanos. Keep in mind that forThanos to even make this assessment, he had to have seen more than the images of the fight that we, the readers, saw when he observed the fight on the computer. The images that were shown was not the fight in it's entirety.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not speculation, the comic clearly shows Odin allowing Thanos the time needed to struggle back to his feet. You are acting as if Odin could have defeated Thanos in this time which is speculation. What we know is Odin failed to put him down and that he respected Thanos.

Originally posted by Sundipped
Why do people give Odin the win in scenario 3?

The Destroyer with Odin AND the essence of Asgard couldn't do anything to any Celestial barring the sword which he doesn't have for this fight. Full Power Tyrant has power output that can destroy galaxies in battle as indicated by Thanos. Keep in mind that forThanos to even make this assessment, he had to have seen more than the images of the fight that we, the readers, saw when he observed the fight on the computer. The images that were shown was not the fight in it's entirety.

Well, Infinity destroyed galaxies and was destroying the universe.

I personally think that the 3rd fight is the only one that Tyrant takes but that's only because he did well against Galactus, not because of the fallout from their fight.

people are too fast to conclude, how many times did we see guys like superman, batman, wolverine atc atc all beat up, barely walking all shaking strugling to stand but eventually they win? if there is something no one can take from thanos is his insane damage soak and fighting spirit, thanos can go thrue hell and keep fighting, lets not forget the fight took place in asgard and thanos gave a good fight to odin, me personally i dont think thanos could beat odin in that fight however saying thanos was done just because he was somewhat of hurt is speculations , thanos said he doesnt surrender and was ready to fight if needed therefor no one can know the ultimate outcome of that fight.

Originally posted by red sabre
people are too fast to conclude, how many times did we see guys like superman, batman, wolverine atc atc all beat up, barely walking all shaking strugling to stand but eventually they win? if there is something no one can take from thanos is his insane damage soak and fighting spirit, thanos can go thrue hell and keep fighting, lets not forget the fight took place in asgard and thanos gave a good fight to odin, me personally i dont think thanos could beat odin in that fight however saying thanos was done just because he was somewhat of hurt is speculations , thanos said he doesnt surrender and was ready to fight if needed therefor no one can know the ultimate outcome of that fight.

Yes, because it was obvious that the writer meant for the one-sided beatdown to imply that Thanos would have won.

Great logic.

Originally posted by red sabre
people are too fast to conclude, how many times did we see guys like superman, batman, wolverine atc atc all beat up, barely walking all shaking strugling to stand but eventually they win? if there is something no one can take from thanos is his insane damage soak and fighting spirit, thanos can go thrue hell and keep fighting, lets not forget the fight took place in asgard and thanos gave a good fight to odin, me personally i dont think thanos could beat odin in that fight however saying thanos was done just because he was somewhat of hurt is speculations , thanos said he doesnt surrender and was ready to fight if needed therefor no one can know the ultimate outcome of that fight.

A logic I would gladly extend to characters of their own title.

Thanos would not be included in that.

Originally posted by red sabre
people are too fast to conclude, how many times did we see guys like superman, batman, wolverine atc atc all beat up, barely walking all shaking strugling to stand but eventually they win? if there is something no one can take from thanos is his insane damage soak and fighting spirit, thanos can go thrue hell and keep fighting, lets not forget the fight took place in asgard and thanos gave a good fight to odin, me personally i dont think thanos could beat odin in that fight however saying thanos was done just because he was somewhat of hurt is speculations , thanos said he doesnt surrender and was ready to fight if needed therefor no one can know the ultimate outcome of that fight. Of course we can know the outcome. Thanos failed to even make Odin flinch. Nothing Thanos could do affected Odin in the slightest.
Thanos was actually being affected.

Originally posted by red sabre
people are too fast to conclude, how many times did we see guys like superman, batman, wolverine atc atc all beat up, barely walking all shaking strugling to stand but eventually they win? if there is something no one can take from thanos is his insane damage soak and fighting spirit, thanos can go thrue hell and keep fighting, lets not forget the fight took place in asgard and thanos gave a good fight to odin, me personally i dont think thanos could beat odin in that fight however saying thanos was done just because he was somewhat of hurt is speculations , thanos said he doesnt surrender and was ready to fight if needed therefor no one can know the ultimate outcome of that fight.



Dude, you sound just like Quanchi; but not quite as bad...

Quanchi once said that Sif showed up and saved Odins life!!

Originally posted by red sabre
people are too fast to conclude, how many times did we see guys like superman, batman, wolverine atc atc all beat up, barely walking all shaking strugling to stand but eventually they win? if there is something no one can take from thanos is his insane damage soak and fighting spirit, thanos can go thrue hell and keep fighting, lets not forget the fight took place in asgard and thanos gave a good fight to odin, me personally i dont think thanos could beat odin in that fight however saying thanos was done just because he was somewhat of hurt is speculations , thanos said he doesnt surrender and was ready to fight if needed therefor no one can know the ultimate outcome of that fight.