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Who wins?

Fisk wins. That cane that he used to carry was no joke, and his MA skills have always been impressive.

KP 6-7/10

New TOmbstone is a cyborg able to have a good fight with Luke Cage or Spider-Man isn't he?

Originally posted by Stoic
Fisk wins. That cane that he used to carry was no joke, and his MA skills have always been impressive.

KP 6-7/10
Huh? Tombstone was a beast. Did he get downgraded recently?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t537936.html
Tombstone for the healthy majority.

Originally posted by KingD19
New TOmbstone is a cyborg able to have a good fight with Luke Cage or Spider-Man isn't he?

Not so sure about Cage, but Classic Fisk's thing was fighting Spidey. That, and being so durable, streets like DD can hit him in the head with a nightstick until their arms about ready to fall off, and have no effect at all. And he did better then Spidey vs cyborg Silvermane too, when Spidey was trying to save some lives, though Fisk lost.

Tombstones pretty quick, even catching DD club mid flight, but hus durability is inconsistent. (Dropped with a sledgehammer, for example.)

Classic Spidey is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Current Spidey though.

So comparing classic Kingpin fighting Classic guys to current people with a lot higher showings doesn't really add up.

Originally posted by KingD19
New TOmbstone is a cyborg able to have a good fight with Luke Cage or Spider-Man isn't he? You're thinking of Hammerhead. TS was always a beast. Streets like Daredevil and Deadpool couldn't match him in h2h. Fisk should lose this.

Originally posted by KingD19
Classic Spidey is <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Current Spidey though.

So comparing classic Kingpin fighting Classic guys to current people with a lot higher showings doesn't really add up.

Cyborg Silvermane was about cl15, I believe. Fisk stood toe to toe with him for awhile, before finally crumbling.

And Classic Kingpin has better feats then current too. Warping steal beams in his bare hands, casually flinging open a vault door DD had to struggle with, claiming it felt like he nearly dislocated his shoulders and could barely feel them, pressing Spidey up against a thick stone wall, and slowly powering him through it (Much more impressive then your usual kick or charge through a wall, as he simply muscled him on through..)... DD also nearly broke his leg, just by kicking Kingpin.

And didn't Cap beat Tombstone down? That didn't happen when he went against Fisk..

Originally posted by cdtm
Cyborg Silvermane was about cl15, I believe. Fisk stood toe to toe with him for awhile, before finally crumbling.

And Classic Kingpin has better feats then current too. Warping steal beams in his bare hands, casually flinging open a vault door DD had to struggle with, claiming it felt like he nearly dislocated his shoulders and could barely feel them, pressing Spidey up against a thick stone wall, and slowly powering him through it (Much more impressive then your usual kick or charge through a wall, as he simply muscled him on through..)... DD also nearly broke his leg, just by kicking Kingpin.

And didn't Cap beat Tombstone down? That didn't happen when he went against Fisk.. Current Fisk has some nice feats. He casually crushed a pretty big statue with his fingers and nearly ripped Black Cat's arms off. And she's enhanced with cyborg implants...

Originally posted by zopzop
Huh? Tombstone was a beast. Did he get downgraded recently?
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t537936.html
Tombstone for the healthy majority.


My bad, I didn't know that TS was a Cyborg these days. I thought he still had the heart condition. That's the version that I would KP the win over.

A big guy that can keep up with agile guys.

If he actually learned how to fight, instead of brawl all the time, he'd be tough opponent for just about anyone. I'd like to see him against Iron Fist.

Originally posted by Stoic
My bad, I didn't know that TS was a Cyborg these days. I thought he still had the heart condition. That's the version that I would KP the win over. He is not. When will you stop ignoring my posts, people?!

It always gave the impression that Tombstone was stronger, more vicious and agile than Kingpin.

I think there is an interaction between this two, IIRC it was on spectacular spiderman and I think Kingpin was shown to be stronger. but I'm not sure if it did happen or I'm just confusing characters.

Originally posted by KingD19
New TOmbstone is a cyborg able to have a good fight with Luke Cage or Spider-Man isn't he?

lulz wut

You're thinking of Hammerhead, King

Originally posted by KingD19
New TOmbstone is a cyborg able to have a good fight with Luke Cage or Spider-Man isn't he?
Originally posted by SamZED
You're thinking of Hammerhead.
Originally posted by Stoic
My bad, I didn't know that TS was a Cyborg these days.
Originally posted by SamZED
He is not. When will you stop ignoring my posts, people?!
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

You're thinking of Hammerhead, King GAH!!!!!!!!

I'm having a hard time believing Fisk could handle tombstone as easily as some are claiming here. Tombstone came across as more durable (was bulletproof and I remember superheroes hurting their hands hitting him) and stronger (Fisk is nearing super human levels and tombstone can lift around 6 tons) than Fisk and with more stamina to boot.

Fighting spiderman, spidey hurting his hand just hitting him, hurts spidey and survives a fall off a building
http://s142.photobucket.com/user/spiderman621/media/scan0005.jpg.html
http://s142.photobucket.com/user/spiderman621/media/scan0006.jpg.html
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r106/spiderman621/scan0007.jpg

Bulletproof and survives a rocket and an explosion with little/no damage
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r106/spiderman621/scan0008.jpg
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r106/spiderman621/scan0009.jpg
http://s142.photobucket.com/user/spiderman621/media/scan0010.jpg.html
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r106/spiderman621/scan0011.jpg

Daredevil nearly breaks his fingers trying to hit pressure points
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/20066/1113634-1051851_tomb4_super_super.jpg

Fisk wins he isn't street level really

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Fisk wins he isn't street level really
Seriously? I thought he was top tier street level, is it just him manhandling spidey that puts him beyond or is there more?

Overpowering spidey is pretty crazy, but he has also tanked being shot with little to no effect

He has injured Daredevil's hands, when he is punched and laughed off his weapon strikes.

He is a solid meta that is apparently pure human.

Ill go with Tombstone to take down Fisk in the end. Kingpin does well against SpiderMan because Spideys holds back against "normal" humans, its practically in his bio, when he stopped holding back, SpiderMan demolished Kingpin physically. Tombstone seems Much tougher than Fisk, and while Fisk is the more skilled fighter, it wont be enough to overcome the physical difference between these two.

Spider-Man "demolished" KP when he was freshly after The Other/Queen upgrades.