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Would have expected nothing less then an Iron Fist would be required to take out a Doom Bot. Shang Chi is better then I thought.

Not sure any Cage can do the same, except maybe under Bendis, and not any easier..

Classic Cage cracked REAL Doom's armor and made him give his money back...

Pretty sure Doom was trembling and beggining Luke to spare his life off-panel, too. Make a Cage vs. Living Tribunal thread otherwise it's spite.

Does Shang owe him money?

Luke has trained with Danny for years. He knows how guys like him fight, and he definitely knows about Chi(the energy). Chang's at a disadvantage.

Chi wins

Cage would disembowel him.

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Shang Chi cuz screw Bendis.

Shang

Originally posted by dmills
Shang

Agreed.

But that Heroes for Hire was was awful, and made Shang out to be an anal retentive hypocrite.

Impressive feats, but that characterization won't win him any fans..

Cage. He's more than a physical match, and having trained with Danny for years, he knows how chi works and how to fight a chi enhanced martial artist. Plus he's got access to brick attacks like thunderclap.

Originally posted by KingD19
Cage. He's more than a physical match, and having trained with Danny for years, he knows how chi works and how to fight a chi enhanced martial artist. Plus he's got access to brick attacks like thunderclap.

All that training didn't stop Danny from handling him even without using the IF, though. Shang's close enough to Danny's skill level, where Cage's training shouldn't help too much.

And the fact is, Luke's still a lot slower, and his steel hard skin isn't enough to tank the kind of damage a chi user can dish out.

Shang Chi would win after a good fight

When did Danny "handle" him?

And Cage takes hits above what people like Shang can dish out in a forum fight.

He's shrugged off a hit from Hiroim that sent him flying(somehow Shang took one, but Hiroim might have been holding back).

Took hits from Thunderbolts Juggernaut.

Took hits from Namor.

Etc, etc, etc...

Cage is a tough SOB.

Originally posted by KingD19
When did Danny "handle" him?


Thunderbolts. A little lazy to post scans, but it's the one where Danny was kidnapped by Osborn's group. He used the IF in the fight, of course, but was causing decent damage without as well.

How durable is a diplomat Doombot? About as durable as the real Doom, right?

And I did read that story where Doom owed Cage money, but Cage had to put a lot more work into it to damage Dooms armor. Basically, he just kept hammering away at the same spot, which apparently makes Cage the smartest brick in the MU because Doom claims no one's ever tried to do that before.

Doombot durability goes up and down, but while a lot of the time they're as formidable as the real doom, I'm not sure they're as durable. As his durability is a mix of armor and magic.

And the only fight I can think of between Cage and Danny in Thunderbolts was a simulation.

As for Shang doing any damage, as I said, Cage takes hits from high end guys all day. He just recently fought Namor underwater and did alright. As well as having some good feats in Age of Ultron. In a forum fight, I don't see Shang doing too much damage.

Originally posted by KingD19

And the only fight I can think of between Cage and Danny in Thunderbolts was a simulation.
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Sim Cage actually broke his neck, when Danny shook off the brain washing enough to ask for his help.

Here's their real fight, where Danny draws a bit of blood, without channeling the IF (Which, admittedly, he uses for the majority of the fight, even channeling it through his feet.)

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And for Danny, this isn't an isolated case of one writer overrating him, either. Without using the IF, he's managed to cause damage to War Machines armor, and even KO a character with stats on par with Cage called Warhawk. (Claremont was a ko writer of this story, who previously wrote Cage tanking Danny's best shots, including an IF. And yet, only a few issues later, Claremont also wrote Cage struggling to fight a group of robots that he couldn't dent with his best punch, and that KOed him a few times, while Danny could tear through groups of them with an IF. Make of that what you will.. Personally, I think Claremont was working under some kind of editorial meddling, based on the majority of his writing regarding Iron Fist..)

Of course, IF isn't Shang Chi.. So this argument largely depends on whether you believe they have similar capabilities without the IF or not.

King, if you haven't read the original Power Man and Iron Fist run, I think you'd like Mary Jo Duffy's writing. She wrote a very strong Cage.. She even had Danny tell Cage he could never actually defeat him. For all intents and purposes, Danny was just a character in Cages story.

Originally posted by KingD19
Doombot durability goes up and down, but while a lot of the time they're as formidable as the real doom, I'm not sure they're as durable. As his durability is a mix of armor and magic.



Yeah I've seen Cap take out a Doombot with a One shot of his shield. Once he figured that Doom wasn't in it, the kid gloves came off.

Cap's shield, though.

And Cap's totaled robots with his bare hands before. He can probably beat up Luke Cage too.

Somehow owning Doombots does not impress me, even Blade did that.

Originally posted by cdtm
Cap's shield, though.

And Cap's totaled robots with his bare hands before. He can probably beat up Luke Cage too.

If that happens in a comic, it's PIS and a result of Cap's Jobber Aura.

Originally posted by KingD19
If that happens in a comic, it's PIS and a result of Cap's Jobber Aura.

Bare handed Steve would be hard pressed to defeat Luke and I wouldn't oppose so much Luke winning. But with his standard equipment/Shield. He can take Luke out and the majority of the time, I think. His shield strikes is like a mini Iron fist tech.

Even Wonder Man admitted he got hurt by Steve's shield throw...

So did Voidtry.. did more damage than all of the Avengers combined attacks.. and didnt he harm Galactus at some point..?

Originally posted by SamZED
So did Voidtry.. did more damage than all of the Avengers combined attacks.. and didnt he harm Galactus at some point..?

He was amped by Norn Stones when he fought Voidtry.

He threatened Galactus with the Ultimate Nullifier, other than that there's just a fanboy statement that he gave Galactus a wedgie, but he was clearly lying/fooling around.

Forget Shang for a minute.

Does anyone think Danny can take Cage, without an IF amp?

Can Danny even hurt him, without an IF?

The feats are out there.. Wrecking Crew, Warhawk, Cage. But, they're often contradicted in other stories..

Can he hit as hard as Spidey, without an IF? As hard as Cap? DD?

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Shang managed to hurt the gorilla body (Which was taking shots from Cage), and cut to the chase on the human head a lot sooner then Cage did.

Only problem with that comparison is that Cage was incredibly varied in his early days after only one steel skin treatment. He was roughly Class 3(officially), and catching a revolver bullet made it feel like it nearly tore his hand off. Yet he beat Doom so bad he was begging for mercy, etc....

Current Cage has had fights with Hiroim, Namor, Juggernaut, Iron-Clad(one shotted), Rhino, etc, etc, etc...

Still current Cage would oneshot that guy with a shot to the body or head.

Gorillas tend to be superhuman (not just barely above human, way more than that) in the MU, just like in DC.

Originally posted by cdtm
Forget Shang for a minute.

Does anyone think Danny can take Cage, without an IF amp?

Can Danny even hurt him, without an IF?

The feats are out there.. Wrecking Crew, Warhawk, Cage. But, they're often contradicted in other stories..

Can he hit as hard as Spidey, without an IF? As hard as Cap? DD?

I don't think he can hit as hard as Spidey, without a IF. There are feats out there but even Batman and Cap have feats that our out there. And Cap's tend to be constantly as well.

But I don't think its about that, since Dannys fights with his peers like Daredevil, Cap, Logan, etc doesn't show case way above them outside of the IF tech that is.

But it's a moot point with Danny anyways since he can use the IF tech more then one time now a days and easily too boot.