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this is a battle to till one runs off
first battle with no prep
2nd battle with Batman having prep
3rd both have prep

this is the same Spidey who created these

Customized Echolocator: Designed to detect Chameleon's espescific voice and heartbeat in order to easily detect him in disguise. Peter claims that it is based on Daredevil's own echolocation ability.

Holographic Visor: Designed to nullify Mysterio`s holograms and illusions. Spider-Man used it to let Hawkeye know he indeed caught Mysterio with his arrow when the villain attempted to fool him.

OctoHelmet: Used by Doctor Octopus when he attempted to control the city of New York and to manage his automtized Octo-Bots. Spider-Man previously used this helmet during the Spider-Island infestation.

Electro-proof function: The suit is capable of repelling Electro and turn him back to his human state from his electric one.

"Queen bee" sand grain detector: Being only one grain of sand in Sandman's body responsible of changing his form and regrouping the others, Spider-Man managed to work on a brain waves detector to find out it and keep its track, being able to send it different patterns to change Marko's form against his will.

so you know that spidey is good with prep
he also broke through sevel carbonadium tentacles of otto's

(im also pretty sure that this is the same spidey who was prepared to battle Juggernaut Collosus, stayed behind to cover for the avengers in the volcano where Dark Pheonix Magik & Juggernaut Collosus were keeping captured heroes and also talked Dark Pheonix Wolverine not killing him and talked the Pheonix Force into leaving Wolverine )

batman has standard equip for first battle specialised for next 2

spidey only has specialised for 3rd battle

Spiderman every time

Originally posted by tijay
this is a battle to till one runs off
first battle with no prep
2nd battle with Batman having prep
3rd both have prep

this is the same Spidey who created these

Customized Echolocator: Designed to detect Chameleon's espescific voice and heartbeat in order to easily detect him in disguise. Peter claims that it is based on Daredevil's own echolocation ability.

Holographic Visor: Designed to nullify Mysterio`s holograms and illusions. Spider-Man used it to let Hawkeye know he indeed caught Mysterio with his arrow when the villain attempted to fool him.

OctoHelmet: Used by Doctor Octopus when he attempted to control the city of New York and to manage his automtized Octo-Bots. Spider-Man previously used this helmet during the Spider-Island infestation.

Electro-proof function: The suit is capable of repelling Electro and turn him back to his human state from his electric one.

"Queen bee" sand grain detector: Being only one grain of sand in Sandman's body responsible of changing his form and regrouping the others, Spider-Man managed to work on a brain waves detector to find out it and keep its track, being able to send it different patterns to change Marko's form against his will.

so you know that spidey is good with prep
he also broke through sevel carbonadium tentacles of otto's

(im also pretty sure that this is the same spidey who was prepared to battle Juggernaut Collosus, stayed behind to cover for the avengers in the volcano where Dark Pheonix Magik & Juggernaut Collosus were keeping captured heroes and also talked Dark Pheonix Wolverine not killing him and talked the Pheonix Force into leaving Wolverine )

batman has standard equip for first battle specialised for next 2

spidey only has specialised for 3rd battle

Somebody's a Spidey fan and has been reading his book for, oh, at least 6-7 months.

Batman with prep might win, Spiderman otherwise.

How can Batman even touch him

Originally posted by tijay
this is a battle to till one runs off
first battle with no prep
2nd battle with Batman having prep
3rd both have prep

Shouldn't there be a 4th battle, where just Spider-man is given prep?

Spidey wins.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
How can Batman even touch him Two words: Bat Kick! sneer

Originally posted by Badabing
Two words: Bat Kick! sneer
One word: chokeslam.

huhu

Originally posted by tijay
this is a battle to till one runs off
first battle with no prep
2nd battle with Batman having prep
3rd both have prep

this is the same Spidey who created these

Customized Echolocator: Designed to detect Chameleon's espescific voice and heartbeat in order to easily detect him in disguise. Peter claims that it is based on Daredevil's own echolocation ability.

Holographic Visor: Designed to nullify Mysterio`s holograms and illusions. Spider-Man used it to let Hawkeye know he indeed caught Mysterio with his arrow when the villain attempted to fool him.

OctoHelmet: Used by Doctor Octopus when he attempted to control the city of New York and to manage his automtized Octo-Bots. Spider-Man previously used this helmet during the Spider-Island infestation.

Electro-proof function: The suit is capable of repelling Electro and turn him back to his human state from his electric one.

"Queen bee" sand grain detector: Being only one grain of sand in Sandman's body responsible of changing his form and regrouping the others, Spider-Man managed to work on a brain waves detector to find out it and keep its track, being able to send it different patterns to change Marko's form against his will.

so you know that spidey is good with prep
he also broke through sevel carbonadium tentacles of otto's

(im also pretty sure that this is the same spidey who was prepared to battle Juggernaut Collosus, stayed behind to cover for the avengers in the volcano where Dark Pheonix Magik & Juggernaut Collosus were keeping captured heroes and also talked Dark Pheonix Wolverine not killing him and talked the Pheonix Force into leaving Wolverine )

batman has standard equip for first battle specialised for next 2

spidey only has specialised for 3rd battle


Spiderman pretty easily without Prep.

Batman with one way Prep.

Batman with two way prep.


What makes giving Batman prep so dangerous is not just his scientific intelligence, it is his intelligence as a strategist (in a semi- military sense) a detective, a psychologist etc.

Spiderman simply uses his intelligence to build common sense things that anyone would know they would need in a particular type of situation, but which most people don't have the scientific intelligence to build (like a suit that will repel electricity for fighting Electro). Batman has a military/strategic mind that examines the way you tick and designs approaches that are the last thing you would expect.

your missing the point i think... give batman prep fine unless he finds a way to slow spiderman down batman never hits spidey spidey dodges around and hits him from a far with web blasts and wraps him up this is borderline spite against poor batman

Originally posted by yaadaveyaa
your missing the point i think... give batman prep fine unless he finds a way to slow spiderman down batman never hits spidey spidey dodges around and hits him from a far with web blasts and wraps him up this is borderline spite against poor batman

I'm not missing he point, you are just failing to do what Batman would not fail to do: use his imagination.

Originally posted by Perceiver1
I'm not missing he point, you are just failing to do what Batman would not fail to do: use his imagination.

O.k. this is just completely off the top pf my head, and on top of that, I'm not even batman lol.

1) Build a suit that can resist the impact of Spiderman's blows.

2) Put a radio controlled holographic machine at the scene of the fight somewhere that casts images of "other batmen" so that you can make Spiderman's movements more predictable and target him

3) outfit your suit with tranquilizer darts.


Now the point of posting this is not to offer a fool proof battle plan but just to show you what a guy who is not even Batman can come up with in 5 minutes.

iirc there is a particular pesticide that works on spiderman... gas mask and flood the area with bug spray.

Originally posted by Perceiver1
O.k. this is just completely off the top pf my head, and on top of that, I'm not even batman lol.

1) Build a suit that can resist the impact of Spiderman's blows.

2) Put a radio controlled holographic machine at the scene of the fight somewhere that casts images of "other batmen" so that you can make Spiderman's movements more predictable and target him

3) outfit your suit with tranquilizer darts.


Now the point of posting this is not to offer a fool proof battle plan but just to show you what a guy who is not even Batman can come up with in 5 minutes.

1) Spider-man has access to Vibranium, which would make most of Batman's attacks useless.
2) Spider-sense
3) Spider-sense

1. Spider-man.
2. Batman perhaps has more chance but only slightly due to SS.
3. If Peter, then bruce edges just a bit. If current, Batman is ****ed.

If Batman gets to use JLA level tech then he can def find away to take Spidey down.
if its "normal" level bats then this is just a spite thread cause Spidey is a Suber!

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Accurate. Skip to 8:18 for the end result.

Batman might win with prep. But without prep and/or if Spidey has prep then Spidey wins.

1. Spider-Man
2. Batman
3. Batman

Batmans prep has beaten the justice league. Spidey wouldn't be a problem.

Spidey sence kinda negates the bat traps

Not if Batman has a file on him with that detail in it. WIth prep that can be overcome.

Rules state that the characters only have general knowledge of each other.

lol @ people thinking otto would give bruce a run with prep

Otto recently outsmarted Hank Pym and Tony Stark and became an Avengers class level threat prior to switching bodies with Parker.

So, yes, he'd give Bruce a run for his money.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Otto recently outsmarted Hank Pym and Tony Stark and became an Avengers class level threat prior to switching bodies with Parker.

So, yes, he'd give Bruce a run for his money.


So? I know his feats, Avengers class level threat isnt much to brag about. Especially THAT avengers squad. Tony and Hank arent the greatest prep guys either

Lol, no...

Originally posted by Silent Master
Rules state that the characters only have general knowledge of each other.

For Batman that is WAY MORE then enough.

Originally posted by Silent Master
1) Spider-man has access to Vibranium, which would make most of Batman's attacks useless.
2) Spider-sense
3) Spider-sense


1) Look up how powerful Wayne enterprises Batman would have access to a rough D.C. equivalent (or he could go with the suit previously mentioned) so I guess your point is that neither would hurt the other.

2) Spider sense doesn't work like that, Spiderman still responds to physical stimuli even when his spider sense doesn't confirm it, that is why he had to build a mechanism to counter Mysterios illusions.

3) Well according to that logic Spiderman should never be hit by anything, but we know that isn't the case..

Originally posted by Perceiver1
1) Look up how powerful Wayne enterprises Batman would have access to a rough D.C. equivalent (or he could go with the suit previously mentioned) so I guess your point is that neither would hurt the other.

2) Spider sense doesn't work like that, Spiderman still responds to physical stimuli even when his spider sense doesn't confirm it, that is why he had to build a mechanism to counter Mysterios illusions.

3) Well according to that logic Spiderman should never be hit by anything, but we know that isn't the case..

1) I'm not aware of DC having something liek vibranium, what is it called?

2) Mysterio uses more than just holograms

3) Post some scans of Spider-man getting hit with darts.

Originally posted by Flyattractor


For Batman that is WAY MORE then enough.

Last I checked, the SS wasn't considered general knowledge.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Last I checked, the SS wasn't considered general knowledge. Batman would be able to determin it just from watching news footage or internet vids.

CAUSE HE IS THAT G-D GOOD!

Yeah that's one thing that gives Spidey another big advantage in a forum setting, his spider sense is a secret.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Batman would be able to determin it just from watching news footage or internet vids.

CAUSE HE IS THAT G-D GOOD!

Neither of which exist, or have you forgotten that Peter being the only one able to get pictures of Spider-man was the main reason JJJ hired him?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
So? I know his feats, Avengers class level threat isnt much to brag about. Especially THAT avengers squad. Tony and Hank arent the greatest prep guys either

That is probably the most biased shit I've ever heard.

Its one thing to downplay the character in question but to downplay the those avengers is something else.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
So? I know his feats, Avengers class level threat isnt much to brag about. Especially THAT avengers squad. Tony and Hank arent the greatest prep guys either

Lol what?

Tony and Hank regularly deal with higher end tech than Batman does and both are superior to hiim when it comes to science and technology. "That" Avengers squad including Captain America, Iron Man, and Thor...the three biggest names of the team.

Doc Ock as he's been portrayed since he got terminally ill would certainly be a challenge for Batman in the prep department, let's be real.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Neither of which exist, or have you forgotten that Peter being the only one able to get pictures of Spider-man was the main reason JJJ hired him?

So are you saying this is Spidey era the 60's or that OMD is something you are willing to condier?

Huh?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Huh? Fuh I drunk I dunno.

JUST ROLL WIT IT BRO!

Originally posted by Silent Master
1) I'm not aware of DC having something liek vibranium, what is it called?

2) Mysterio uses more than just holograms

3) Post some scans of Spider-man getting hit with darts.




Why would we need scans of Spiderman being hit by a fired dart? He has been hit by things slower than that including punches and tails, and we are talking about a distracted Spiderman. Also Spiderman's spider sense doesn't tell him what's attacking him and what direction it's coming in.

If Mysterio isn't a good example let's just go with Synario who used simple virtual reality holograms. The point is, if Spiderman KNOWS that he is dealing with illusions he can choose to use his Spider sense to weed them out from real things, but if he doesn't, he will respond to visual stimuli the same way any other human being does.



As for the Vibranium, I said a rough equivalent but eh, not important, I just mentioned it quickly. What's matters is an outfit to resist the force of Spidey's blows which he could design.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Neither of which exist, or have you forgotten that Peter being the only one able to get pictures of Spider-man was the main reason JJJ hired him?

There is News footage of Spiderman, it has been part of the plot of some of the comics.

The reason JJJ hired Parker was because of the breadth of the photos he provided.


The general point is valid though, looking at the news footage wouldn't tell someone about Spider sense; it might however show someone that Spiderman had completely ridiculous reaction-time.

Been awhile since I've read Spider-man, so I'll take your word about the news footage, but his general point isn't valid...because his point was that Batman would find out about the SS due to sed footage.

Bat Sense > SS

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bat Sense > SS

I thought the Bat-sense was what he used to find underaged boys that would be open to his brand of "training".

Originally posted by tijay
this is a battle to till one runs off
first battle with no prep
2nd battle with Batman having prep
3rd both have prep
1. S
2. B
3. S

Originally posted by Silent Master
1) Spider-man has access to Vibranium,

By the way, I forgot to mention that this won't stop Bats from tying Spidey up.

Right, Spidey is what's gonna stop Batman from tying him up

spidey is whats gonna tie batman up

Originally posted by Perceiver1
By the way, I forgot to mention that this won't stop Bats from tying Spidey up.

Do you have any examples of Batman tying up someone that is faster, stronger, more agile and has a built in early warning system?

Spider-Man isn't the strategist that batman is. Batman loses a random fight, but he wins with any kind of prep.

Batman's prep ability gets overstated a lot on this forum and on others, but I think given equal prep time there's little chance of Spider-Man outmaneuvering him. It's not just about intelligence, Batman simply has more resources and better tech and more experience planning against other strategists. Spider-Man's powers aren't going to offset that, not for a majority anyway.

1. Spidey: 8-9/10, I'm giving Batman 1-2 based on his gadgets.
2. Batman 9-10/10
3. Batman 7-8/10

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Batman's prep ability gets overstated a lot on this forum

So does Spider-Man's spider sense...

1. Spidey 9/10 (Bat's might get lucky with some gas)
2. Bats 6/10 (Gas the bug)
3. Spidey 7/10 (Spidey knows Bats can gas and comes prepared)

Originally posted by 753
spidey is whats gonna tie batman up

Spiderman is famous for his webs, it's going to be the first thing on Batman's mind besides Spiderman's physical gifts. Spiderman on the other hand doesn't know what Batman is going to try.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Spidey 9/10 (Bat's might get lucky with some gas)
2. Bats 6/10 (Gas the bug)
3. Spidey 7/10 (Spidey knows Bats can gas and comes prepared)

Spiderman is pretty fast, you think gas can rise fast enough to get him unless he's confined somewhere that he can't escape from?

Originally posted by Perceiver1
Spiderman is pretty fast, you think gas can rise fast enough to get him unless he's confined somewhere that he can't escape from?

do you think hes learned from all those times hes been hit with gas before though

cos it happens to him alot
#but then again i think i remember reading that hes got something in his mask to negate gas
cant say for certain though

Originally posted by tijay
do you think hes learned from all those times hes been hit with gas before though

cos it happens to him alot
#but then again i think i remember reading that hes got something in his mask to negate gas
cant say for certain though This is SPidey we are talking about so.....no.

Gas is often used as a plot device in comics. Forum setting Pete should be able to react to it no problem. Also, while ss is a common knowledge most of the gadgets SM carries around these days aren't. Plus I see Batman spending his prep time concentrating mostly on ways to bypass SM's ss thinking he can at least hang with him physically and that would be a mistake since Pete's a lot more formidable than he used to be and if its Ock he probably wont hold back. Also ss was retconned to be a magical ability so gas (similar to the one GG used) might no longer do the trick.

cool @samzed

random encounter, spidey takes this since he's got every physical advantage, with prep i see batman taking this.

Originally posted by SamZED
Gas is often used as a plot device in comics. Forum setting Pete should be able to react to it no problem. Also, while ss is a common knowledge most of the gadgets SM carries around these days aren't. Plus I see Batman spending his prep time concentrating mostly on ways to bypass SM's ss thinking he can at least hang with him physically and that would be a mistake since Pete's a lot more formidable than he used to be and if its Ock he probably wont hold back. Also ss was retconned to be a magical ability so gas (similar to the one GG used) might no longer do the trick.

And that's being generous suggesting Batman would even learn of the SS.

Originally posted by operator616
random encounter, spidey takes this since he's got every physical advantage, with prep i see batman taking this. But Batman has all the mental abilities.

And I also think that even from watching Spidey from news clips and on CCsecurity cams which there would be plentiful amount of since spidey fights in NYC and you can't think about scratching your balls in that town with out being on cam nowadays.

And he could figure it out by watching spidey's volentary an involentary reflex actions triggered by the ss. There is a diff to them and just watching spidey dodge things that he shouldn't see coming would be a big clue...and Bats loved da clues..




And Spidey's "SS" is Magical now????

Originally posted by Flyattractor
But Batman has all the mental abilities.

And I also think that even from watching Spidey from news clips and on CCsecurity cams which there would be plentiful amount of since spidey fights in NYC and you can't think about scratching your balls in that town with out being on cam nowadays.

And he could figure it out by watching spidey's volentary an involentary reflex actions triggered by the ss. There is a diff to them and just watching spidey dodge things that he shouldn't see coming would be a big clue...and Bats loved da clues..




And Spidey's "SS" is Magical now????

So Batman is going to spend all his prep time hacking into the hundreds of thousands of ATM's, street, business cameras in NY city; then spend days/weeks editing all the film together and enhancing it so that he can study Spider-man's style and during all this he's going to magically notice that Spider-man has a danger-sense?

Have you ever read a Batman comic?

And sounds like you just got a bit of Spidey Fan Wank going on a bit there so its clouding your judgement.

I forgive you.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Have you ever read a Batman comic?

And sounds like you just got a bit of Spidey Fan Wank going on a bit there so its clouding your judgement.

I forgive you.

By all means, show me the scans where Batman uses the tactic you describe.

batman will not be figuring out the spider-sense. he also won't be winning this.

Originally posted by Silent Master
By all means, show me the scans where Batman uses the tactic you describe.
He hacks the NYC city systems with this thing called THE BATCAVE COMPUTER and then gets all obsessive compulsixe about it and figures it out cause BATMAN does that instead of using MAGICAL Hoojoo sense to get things done.


Like I said. Read a Bat comic some time.

Originally posted by Flyattractor

He hacks the NYC city systems with this thing called THE BATCAVE COMPUTER and then gets all obsessive compulsixe about it and figures it out cause BATMAN does that instead of using MAGICAL Hoojoo sense to get things done.


Like I said. Read a Bat comic some time.

By all means, show me the scans where Batman uses the tactic you describe in your previous post.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So Batman is going to spend all his prep time hacking into the hundreds of thousands of ATM's, street, business cameras in NY city; then spend days/weeks editing all the film together and enhancing it so that he can study Spider-man's style and during all this he's going to magically notice that Spider-man has a danger-sense? Lol yes, the Ezekil story. According to it that accident that happened to Pete was no mere accident and there were other "Spider-men" before him. Sounds silly but actually makes sense as there's no scientific explanation to ss because spiders cant really sense danger the way Pete does, let alone sense if somebody else is in danger. Lol I remembee Pete discussing it with Iron Man that his powers do not make sense from scientific point of view and Tony went "NANANA! Not listening!" and flew away lol.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
And that's being generous suggesting Batman would even learn of the SS. I actually believe it counts as common knowledge, it was even mocked in comics.
Pete: "My spider sence is..."
Sandman: "Tingling? You might wanna stop saying that out loud all the time. Everybody and their grandma now knows you have that power".
Now that I think of it Bats might come up with something. HORIZON labs managed to build a device that blocked his ss.

Originally posted by tijay
cool @samzed

Otto punches his phuckin face off....

Originally posted by Silent Master
By all means, show me the scans where Batman uses the tactic you describe in your previous post. You first.

Since seeing as how I describe Batman using his intyelligenge to figure out how to beat SPidey is something you can't seem to understand with out the aid of PICTURES!]

Originally posted by Flyattractor


You made the claim, the burden is on you.

Originally posted by Perceiver1
Also Spiderman's spider sense doesn't tell him what's attacking him and what direction it's coming in.

Spiderman's ss doesn't warn him of which direction danger is coming from????

I think you should read up on Spiderman, my friend.

Originally posted by SamZED
Lol yes, the Ezekil story. According to it that accident that happened to Pete was no mere accident and there were other "Spider-men" before him. Sounds silly but actually makes sense as there's no scientific explanation to ss because spiders cant really sense danger the way Pete does, let alone sense if somebody else is in danger. Lol I remembee Pete discussing it with Iron Man that his powers do not make sense from scientific point of view and Tony went "NANANA! Not listening!" and flew away lol.

I actually believe it counts as common knowledge, it was even mocked in comics.
Pete: "My spider sence is..."
Sandman: "Tingling? You might wanna stop saying that out loud all the time. Everybody and their grandma now knows you have that power".
Now that I think of it Bats might come up with something. HORIZON labs managed to build a device that blocked his ss.






Yeah, but why the preoccupation with Batman learning about Spider Sense at all? All he has to do is note from the News footage that Spiderman has ridiculous reaction time.

When you are preparing for Spider Sense that's all you are doing anyway, preparing for ridiculous reaction time.

Originally posted by Perceiver1
Why are people preoccupied with Batman learning about Spider Sense. All he has to do is note from the News footage that Spiderman has ridiculous reaction time.

When you are preparing for Spider Sense that's all you are doing anyway, preparing for excellent reaction time. You have to have pics of it to make that claim.


We have 5 year olds in this thread.


http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/batman-on-computer.jpg

Originally posted by Perceiver1
Why are people preoccupied with Batman learning about Spider Sense. All he has to do is note from the News footage that Spiderman has ridiculous reaction time.

When you are preparing for Spider Sense that's all you are doing anyway, preparing for excellent reaction time.

Because people have claimed that Batman will learn about the Spider-sense and use his prep time to counter it.

Originally posted by SamZED
Gas is often used as a plot device in comics. Forum setting Pete should be able to react to it no problem. Also, while ss is a common knowledge most of the gadgets SM carries around these days aren't. Plus I see Batman spending his prep time concentrating mostly on ways to bypass SM's ss thinking he can at least hang with him physically and that would be a mistake since Pete's a lot more formidable than he used to be and if its Ock he probably wont hold back. Also ss was retconned to be a magical ability so gas (similar to the one GG used) might no longer do the trick.

Why would Bats think he could hang physically within someone who can bench press a Sedan?

Originally posted by Flyattractor
You have to have pics of it to make that claim.


We have 5 year olds in this thread.


http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/batman-on-computer.jpg

First of all, what claims are you talking about?

Second, I have no history of irrationally favoring Batman. You can't use a favoritism argument to back a single instance. That simply amounts to a distraction.

Originally posted by Perceiver1
Why would Bats think he could hang physically within someone who can bench press a Sedan?

The average weight of a sedan is around 4,000 pounds(2 tons), Spider-man is way above class 2.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The average weight of a sedan is around 4,000 pounds(2 tons), Spider-man is way above class 2.

Point taken. So as I was saying to the other guy, Bats isn't going to assume he can hang with him physically with out being amped up/protected in some way.

Spiderman

And while people are entitled to their opinion for whoever thinks otherwise here is a present

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/GIFS/hulkplanet_zps86327826.gif

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Spiderman

And while people are entitled to their opinion for whoever thinks otherwise here is a present

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/GIFS/hulkplanet_zps86327826.gif

There were three scenarios, you have Spiderman in all of them?

Bats has done fairly well against Superman with prep; I see Spiderman as slightly less of a threat.

Originally posted by Perceiver1
There were three scenarios, you have Spiderman in all of them?

Bats has done fairly well against Superman with prep; I see Spiderman as slightly less of a threat.

No, actually I do not.

Batman will win #2.

I will hulk double facepalm myself for eskipping scenario 2

Originally posted by Rao Kal El


http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/GIFS/hulkplanet_zps86327826.gif

I don't need to read the OP to know that Batman beats Spider-Man badly.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't need to read the OP to know that Batman beats Spider-Man badly.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't need to read the OP to know that Batman beats Spider-Man badly.

Ok? This is odd, you should be the one defending marvel.

In anycase, you are entitled to believe that Batman can defeat anyone you want. I think you are wrong, but is not my duty to spank that booty.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ok? This is odd, you should be the one defending marvel.

In anycase, you are entitled to believe that Batman can defeat anyone you want. I think you are wrong, but is not my duty to spank that booty. Really, you're trying to imply company bias?

Batman's feats literally dwarf Spider-Man's. And it'd help if Batman's equal (Cap) didn't kick the shit out of Spudder Guy every time they fought.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Really, you're trying to imply company bias?

Batman's feats literally dwarf Spider-Man's. And it'd help if Batman's equal (Cap) didn't kick the shit out of Spudder Guy every time they fought.

Ok, so you might think Batman is batgGOD or some sort of human who never makes mistakes and is always prep.

Cool, for you.

When i read Batman defeating Horseman all i smell is the horsesh1te, coming out of the plot

But if you think in a forum fight he can win with out prep or with both having prep time, thats cool, I just don't see it that way.


You are welcome to try though. I am behind on my spiderman, but very well and more versed on my Batman and I don't see how batman can defeat spiderman other than the writer helping him.

And yes i was implying bias, because i dont remember ever seeing you going dc, which does not mean im right btw.

Batman only has a handful of legitimately questionable wins

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Ok, so you might think Batman is batgGOD or some sort of human who never makes mistakes and is always prep.

Cool, for you.

When i read Batman defeating Horseman all i smell is the horsesh1te, coming out of the plot

But if you think in a forum fight he can win with out prep or with both having prep time, thats cool, I just don't see it that way.


You are welcome to try though. I am behind on my spiderman, but very well and more versed on my Batman and I don't see how batman can defeat spiderman other than the writer helping him. lol at welcome to try. How dare I dare you

What I get out of your post, is that you don't like Batman doing what he's done because he's a human. But those are his feats, and it's not like he's only got one or two high ones, he's got numerous almost herald level feats because he's neat.

Let's contrast though. I'll take two of Spider-Man's highest feats he's done in comics, and I'll compare it to just 3 average Batman feats:

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/captain-america-vs-batman-11424.jpg
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/captain-america-vs-batman-11425.jpg
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/captain-america-vs-batman-11426.jpg
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/captain-america-vs-batman-11427.jpg
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/captain-america-vs-batman-11428.jpg
http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z427/grandhustler303/general/AmazingSpiderman187-07.jpg

Some Average Batman feats that especially combined make him a tough customer for Spider-Man.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvstitans1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvstitans2.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Skills%20Misc/jlascarymonster6-batvsdemondiana1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Skills%20Misc/jlascarymonster6-batvsdemondiana2.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Skills%20Misc/jlascarymonster6-batvsdemondiana3.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Skills%20Misc/jlascarymonster6-batvsdemondiana4.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbackhandlobo1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbackhandlobo2.jpg

^ OK? I'm sold...

On a second thought nah!

If you want to think Batman is almost Herald level, I will suggest to you to pm Bada or PR with your suggestion.

I understand Batman has to be of some significance on the JLA, but lets just keep it at that

Batman comics, Punisher Comics, Spiderman Comics and Conan Comics are actually among my favorite comics. I will let you in, in a secret, I like Batman comics better than Superman comics.

That does not change my opinion that on a forum fight Batman is a human with AMAZING feats, but Spiderman should win, except for the fight with prep time for Batman only and a few wins when both have prep.

Why not instead of trying to change my opinion you try to change Jake's? He seem to think the same way as I do. I'm investing my efforts into other topics and at this point I have no desire of getting in a debate to prove that Spiderman should defeat Batman, we still have those Superman feats from time and time again up in limbo.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Accurate. Skip to 8:18 for the end result.

See, I look at it purely on a feats end instead of what he's supposed to be. It's just like looking at some monster with an unknown powerup. You can't judge him from say a gamma bomb or he's powered by semen or something. You have to judge them by what they've done.

I realize Cap and Batman are constantly under scrutiny for this, but they really shouldn't be. If they were really "humans" even their lowest feats would be impossible no matter how much muscle they packed on. It's suspension of disbelief.

But that's just my opinion. Also, Jake's gay, and Bada shares my opinion of Batman's level.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
See, I look at it purely on a feats end instead of what he's supposed to be. It's just like looking at some monster with an unknown powerup. You can't judge him from say a gamma bomb or he's powered by semen or something. You have to judge them by what they've done.

I realize Cap and Batman are constantly under scrutiny for this, but they really shouldn't be. If they were really "humans" even their lowest feats would be impossible no matter how much muscle they packed on. It's suspension of disbelief.

But that's just my opinion. Also, Jake's gay.

Don't let him tear us apart.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
See, I look at it purely on a feats end instead of what he's supposed to be. It's just like looking at some monster with an unknown powerup. You can't judge him from say a gamma bomb or he's powered by semen or something. You have to judge them by what they've done.

I realize Cap and Batman are constantly under scrutiny for this, but they really shouldn't be. If they were really "humans" even their lowest feats would be impossible no matter how much muscle they packed on. It's suspension of disbelief.

But that's just my opinion. Also, Jake's gay, and Bada shares my opinion of Batman's level.

I understand your point and I will go with you, but there is only so much characters like Batman, Robin or others can do, with out considering that the plot, writer and a lot of things are helping them to achieve those things. But lets just leave it that for now, at least with me, you can discuss this with Jake

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I understand your point and I will go with you, but there is only so much characters like Batman, Robin or others can do, with out considering that the plot, writer and a lot of things are helping them to achieve those things. Mayhaps, but going this direction, how much of it is PIS?

Because there's a rather sizable chunk that people would rather erase than accept when his high feats likely outweigh his low ones in quantity...

Also this because I remembered it:
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/generowned1.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/Generowned2.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/owned/Generowned3.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
lol at welcome to try. How dare I dare you

What I get out of your post, is that you don't like Batman doing what he's done because he's a human. But those are his feats, and it's not like he's only got one or two high ones, he's got numerous almost herald level feats because he's neat.

Let's contrast though. I'll take two of Spider-Man's highest feats he's done in comics, and I'll compare it to just 3 average Batman feats:

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/captain-america-vs-batman-11424.jpg
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/captain-america-vs-batman-11425.jpg
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/captain-america-vs-batman-11426.jpg
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/captain-america-vs-batman-11427.jpg
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/captain-america-vs-batman-11428.jpg
http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z427/grandhustler303/general/AmazingSpiderman187-07.jpg

Some Average Batman feats that especially combined make him a tough customer for Spider-Man.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvstitans1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batvstitans2.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Skills%20Misc/jlascarymonster6-batvsdemondiana1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Skills%20Misc/jlascarymonster6-batvsdemondiana2.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Skills%20Misc/jlascarymonster6-batvsdemondiana3.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/Skills%20Misc/jlascarymonster6-batvsdemondiana4.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbackhandlobo1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batbackhandlobo2.jpg So basically you want to compare Batman's best feats to Spider-man's worst and pretend its their average? Excluding some of their ourageous PIS showings Spider-man's feats > Batman's feats. And posting scans of CISed Spider-man jobbing to Cap wont change that. If you disagree i dont mind doing the feat battle.

Originally posted by SamZED
So basically you want to compare Batman's best feats to Spider-man's worst and pretend its their average? Excluding some of their ourageous PIS showings Spider-man's feats > Batman's feats. And posting scans of CISed Spider-man jobbing to Cap wont change that. If you disagree i dont mind doing the feat battle. Actually I used Spider-Man's highest feats, and used Batman's average.

Also, that sounds terrible, and really don't care enough to do that, and you fail to understand how quickly that'd turn into you screaming PIS at every set.

Testing:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batkickdseid.jpg

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Actually I used Spider-Man's highest feats, and used Batman's average.

Also, that sounds terrible, and really don't care enough to do that, and you fail to understand how quickly that'd turn into you screaming PIS at every set.

Testing:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batkickdseid.jpg Did I miss something? I only saw you post few of Spider-man's showings against Cap and if you're actually saying those are Spider-man's Highest feats then we really are done because youre either trolling or have no idea what you're talking about. Those are ones of his worst feats. Some of them involve a certain amount of jobbing and CIS too. You want to start lowballing I can do that too. But lets not go down that road, wont end well for Bruce.

We havent even started and youre already worried ill call PIS on your scans. That really says something about the quality of those feats.

PS: You want my opinion on Bats drawing blood from Darkseid? As in whether it is PIS or not?

Originally posted by SamZED
Did I miss something? I only saw you post few of Spider-man's showings against Cap and if you're actually saying those are Spider-man's Highest feats then we really are done because youre either trolling or have no idea what you're talking about. Those are ones of his worst feats. Some of them involve a certain amount of jobbing and CIS too. You want to start lowballing I can do that too. But lets not go down that road, wont end well for Bruce.

We havent even started and youre already worried ill call PIS on your scans. That really says something about the quality of those feats.

PS: You want my opinion on Bats drawing blood from Darkseid? As in whether it is PIS or not? Literally his highest feats.
This is funner than I thought it'd be. Maybe I was wrong, maybe it isn't terrible after all.

I only said that because you started with this angle:
Originally posted by SamZED
Excluding some of their ourageous PIS showings Spider-man's feats > Batman's feats.
What did you say... "We havent even started and youre already worried ill call PIS on your scans."
Right. We haven't started, and you're already throwing pis out as soon as you can, worried about Batman's feats I see.

I was curious your response, yes.

..

..*Bites tongue, watches show.*

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Literally his highest feats.
This is funner than I thought it'd be. Maybe I was wrong, maybe it isn't terrible after all.
Ah so you WERE messing with me. My bad lol sometimes I can't tell.

Wait, was I supposed to include PIS then? Im not worrying about Batman's feats, was merely following KMC rules, if you want to include PIS showings for the lols then I dont mind. Lets see, we both know Batman's kick can draw blood from highherald+ level characters. So Pete might be in trouble, then again, just recently we saw Pete tank a mountain shattering omnidirectional blast from the phoenix force. So i think he's good. This IS fun.

Originally posted by SamZED
Ah so you WERE messing with me. My bad lol sometimes I can't tell.

Wait, was I supposed to include PIS then? Im not worrying about Batman's feats, was merely following KMC rules, if you want to include PIS showings for the lols then I dont mind. Lets see, we both know Batman's kick can draw blood from highherald+ level characters. So Pete might be in trouble, then again, just recently we saw Pete tank a mountain shattering omnidirectional blast from the phoenix force. So i think he's good. This IS fun. Yeah, if we got that out of the way, I'm down for a fun no holds bar comparison thing then.

I'm just remarking on your use of the term just as you are remarking on mine.

Well, Batman hasn't really fought too many trans characters that I recall (might find something), but he's outlasted and apparently beat General and a couple villains, taken sustained beatings from Manhunter and other beings on that level, taken the Shazam bolt, and this beating from a pissed off Superman:
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batarmor-superattack1.jpg
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll223/darknight2k/batarmor-superattack2.jpg

But he has a lot of "the building exploded, then he got poisoned, then another building exploded, then he fell hundreds of feet, then another building fell from the sky and exploded three buildings from multiple points in time right on top of Batman."
No hyperbole

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
I don't need to read the OP to know that Batman beats Spider-Man badly. Bran, shut up.

There is only so much damage this thread will be able to withstand

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/GIFS/hulkplanet_zps86327826.gif

SMvsFL ok now? Yes?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Because people have claimed that Batman will learn about the Spider-sense and use his prep time to counter it.



When Bats sees the footage of Spidey he may not know how he has the amazing response-time that he has, but I don't know that it's important. The way you prepare for Spider Sense from an offensive standpoint is exactly the same way you prepare for dealing with fast reflexes: create simultaneous threats along with distractions.


And I'm having difficulty believing that Spiderman can be hit by punches and scorpion tails etc. etc. from opponents without knowledge of Spider sense, but that he can't be hit by rapid projectiles while being engaged by ingenious distractions from Batman.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El


When i read Batman defeating Horseman all i smell is the horsesh1te, coming out of the plot

But if you think in a forum fight he can win with out prep or with both having prep time, thats cool, I just don't see it that way.



Does prep usually mean that each side knows that the other side is prepping? I think that's critical here. Someone mentioned that Spiderman could use Vibranium, but I don't think he would bother with anything like that if he didn't know that Bats was prepping. He's fought scores of opponents more dangerous that Batman without prep, and didn't bother with anything nearly that extreme to protect himself.

The issue probably hasn't traditionally come up because most heroes are super power based, so prepping for them simply amounts to prepping for their known powers or abilities. Bats of course is different.

Originally posted by Perceiver1
When Bats sees the footage of Spidey he may not know how he has the amazing response-time that he has, but I don't know that it's important. The way you prepare for Spider Sense from an offensive standpoint is exactly the same way you prepare for dealing with fast reflexes: create simultaneous threats along with distractions.


And I'm having difficulty believing that Spiderman can be hit by punches and scorpion tails etc. etc. from opponents without knowledge of Spider sense, but that he can't be hit by rapid projectiles while being engaged by ingenious distractions from Batman.

It's important, because it was being claimed that Batman would find out about the SS and then develop a counter for it.

Originally posted by Perceiver1
When Bats sees the footage of Spidey he may not know how he has the amazing response-time that he has, but I don't know that it's important. The way you prepare for Spider Sense from an offensive standpoint is exactly the same way you prepare for dealing with fast reflexes: create simultaneous threats along with distractions.


And I'm having difficulty believing that Spiderman can be hit by punches and scorpion tails etc. etc. from opponents without knowledge of Spider sense, but that he can't be hit by rapid projectiles while being engaged by ingenious distractions from Batman.

The SS has been exploited before.

Iron Fist knew Spidey would leap to avoid a trap at Randcorp, and was waiting in mid air with an IF when he did.

Originally posted by Perceiver1
When Bats sees the footage of Spidey he may not know how he has the amazing response-time that he has, but I don't know that it's important. The way you prepare for Spider Sense from an offensive standpoint is exactly the same way you prepare for dealing with fast reflexes: create simultaneous threats along with distractions.


And I'm having difficulty believing that Spiderman can be hit by punches and scorpion tails etc. etc. from opponents without knowledge of Spider sense, but that he can't be hit by rapid projectiles while being engaged by ingenious distractions from Batman.

Dodging rapid projectiles is what Spider-Man does in his sleep. The spider sense has navigated him through a hail of bullets countless times. There's also the times where the SS puts everything around him in slow motion giving him a full 360 degree view of everything that could pose a threat. Not saying batman couldn't come up with something, but at its best, the SS usually handles multiple threats at the same time no problem, so going that route would still be tough.

forgot to mention that Spidey is also trained by Shang-Chi in this scenario and was able to keep up with Madame Web (who can see the future) without her laying a hand on him, when he never had his spider sense, due to and im partly quoting "his natural fighters instinct kicking in"
just sayin

Bran 1 : 0 Sam

Batman wins.

Originally posted by cdtm
The SS has been exploited before.

Iron Fist knew Spidey would leap to avoid a trap at Randcorp, and was waiting in mid air with an IF when he did.

So that means that his Spider Sense is public knowledge.

Originally posted by Perceiver1
So that means that his Spider Sense is public knowledge.


No, it doesn't.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, it doesn't.

What kind of reply is that?

Two people have already posted indications that the knowledge is out there.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bran 1 : 0 Sam

Batman wins. Shut it. Bran does not require a cheerleader, I'll counter his post when I get the chance.

Originally posted by Perceiver1
What kind of reply is that?

Two people have already posted indications that the knowledge is out there.

There are several people that know Batman is atually Bruce Wayne, does that mean that Batman's secret identity is general knowledge?

Originally posted by Perceiver1
What kind of reply is that?

Two people have already posted indications that the knowledge is out there.

2-3 people doesn't mean it's public knowledge. 2-3 people who the rest of the world don't even knew they have knowledge about it.

So unless you're smoking crack or just plain desperate to twist information to your own interpretation, then no it's not public knowledge.

Originally posted by Badabing
Two words: Bat Kick! sneer i wasent aware that batman could kick himself in the face. Well that gives spiderman more time to spend time with black cat and question the relationship

Spidey ftw.

SPIDAMAN WINS

Originally posted by SamZED
Shut it. Bran does not require a cheerleader, I'll counter his post when I get the chance.

http://i42.tinypic.com/2q2r4gm.png

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
2-3 people doesn't mean it's public knowledge. 2-3 people who the rest of the world don't even knew they have knowledge about it.

So unless you're smoking crack or just plain desperate to twist information to your own interpretation, then no it's not public knowledge.

Wow lol getting kind of menstrual aren't we? it's just a comic book debate.

No, not quite "public knowledge", but my point is that the knowledge is out there (and perhaps accessible). It's not 3 or so people who know, it's three or so people who have indicated that they know. If criminals in that world behave anything like criminals in this world then when they plot together they are very likely to share info; especially useful info like that.


But Hey, I never cared about the Spider Sense debate anyway. I was just responding to the guy telling me that someone had deliberately set up traps for it. Originally I was arguing that the issue wasn't even critical because If Batman interprets spider sense feats that he observes in footage of Spiderman as simply insane reaction time, the way he prepares for it will be similar to the way he would prepare if he knew about Spider Sense (multiple threats accompanied by distractions).

Originally posted by Silent Master
There are several people that know Batman is atually Bruce Wayne, does that mean that Batman's secret identity is general knowledge?

a secret identity isn't the best example since those who know it intentionally decide to keep it a secret. No, SS may not actually be "public knowledge", as I said above; if one were going to discuss it perhaps the better question would be is it "accessible knowledge".

Originally posted by Perceiver1
a secret identity isn't the best example since those who know it intentionally decide to keep it a secret. No, SS may not actually be "public knowledge", as I said above; if one were going to discuss it perhaps the better question would be is it "accessible knowledge".

So you're arguing that the heroes that know about the Spider-sense don't keep it a secret?

Ok, post some scans where the heroes in question tell others about the SS.

Guys, who thinks that the spider sense is common knowledge?

I'm not sure that it is, tbh.

It's not common knowledge. I doubt most of the avengers even know about it.Originally posted by Perceiver1
Wow lol getting kind of menstrual aren't we? it's just a comic book debate.

No, not quite "public knowledge", but my point is that the knowledge is out there (and perhaps accessible). It's not 3 or so people who know, it's three or so people who have indicated that they know. If criminals in that world behave anything like criminals in this world then when they plot together they are very likely to share info; especially useful info like that.


But Hey, I never cared about the Spider Sense debate anyway. I was just responding to the guy telling me that someone had deliberately set up traps for it. Originally I was arguing that the issue wasn't even critical because If Batman interprets spider sense feats that he observes in footage of Spiderman as simply insane reaction time, the way he prepares for it will be similar to the way he would prepare if he knew about Spider Sense (multiple threats accompanied by distractions).

Ok maybe I overreacted but the point that you're trying to convey, the accessibility bit simply isn't there.

As far as I know the only people who have actually weaponized a solution and were able to exploit it besides Ironfist (of which I'm not familiar) would be:

Dr. Octopus - Yeah, not accessible since he is Spider-man atm
Norman Osborn - Last I recall he was comatose but he seemed to have regained
Tony Stark - Not anymore as the OMD/BND event made Tony Stark lose memory of Peter becoming his PA.
Mysterio - Not in 616 atm.

So that leaves one person who was able to exploit it and he's just as deranged and crazy as Joker.

Other people who are intimately knowledgeable about peter simply don't know the mechanics of it and the nature of it being exploitable are simply too complicated (being retconned to pheromone in nature, then back again).

Spider sense not common knowledge? He constantly makes outloud references to it. "We'll maybe if you had spider sense like me" as he's joking with people and such. Now if its a random encounter batman may not know this, but with any kind of prep, and a few clicks of the bat computer, Bruce will be ready.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, who thinks that the spider sense is common knowledge?

I'm not sure that it is, tbh.

The public doesn't know about it.

A few individuals in the hero/villain communities know it exists, but it's not widespread knowledge. Furthermore, the mechanics behind how it works certainly isn't common knowledge.

To date, only a few people know it and Spider-Man well enough to actually develop counter measures for it or even nullify it. Off the top of my head, that list includes Doom, Stark, Osborn, and maybe a couple of others?

Batman's good, but good enough to shut down the spider-sense with limited prep time and overall inferior tech/science know how as the guys I mentioned, let alone far less intimate knowledge as them? I doubt it, tbh.

SS isn't common knowledge because, well, there's only a handful of people we can say for sure know he has it.

Beat me to it Jake

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The public doesn't know about it.

A few individuals in the hero/villain communities know it exists, but it's not widespread knowledge. Furthermore, the mechanics behind how it works certainly isn't common knowledge.

To date, only a few people know it and Spider-Man well enough to actually develop counter measures for it or even nullify it. Off the top of my head, that list includes Doom, Stark, Osborn, and maybe a couple of others?

Batman's good, but good enough to shut down the spider-sense with limited prep time and overall inferior tech/science know how as the guys I mentioned, let alone far less intimate knowledge as them? I doubt it, tbh.

That's what I thought...

Originally posted by Perceiver1
There is News footage of Spiderman, it has been part of the plot of some of the comics.

The reason JJJ hired Parker was because of the breadth of the photos he provided.


The general point is valid though, looking at the news footage wouldn't tell someone about Spider sense; it might however show someone that Spiderman had completely ridiculous reaction-time.

Spidey's an Avenger, right?

High profile job like that, with the news exposure they get, and his power set isn't public knowledge?

Can't Bruce call Avengers mansion and ask about him, under some pretext?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So you're arguing that the heroes that know about the Spider-sense don't keep it a secret?

Ok, post some scans where the heroes in question tell others about the SS.

If it's a secret,it's a secret.

But I'm surprised, given how Peter usually won't shut up about his powers as he's doing his thing and cracking jokes, e.g. "Nice try, Lester, but I have the speed and agility of a Spider!"

nt

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So now the argument is that the SS isn't a secret, because Spider-man tells everyone about it, plus the Avengers are in the habit of telling random strangers all about the powers/weaknesses of all their teammates?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So now the argument is that the SS isn't a secret, because Spider-man tells everyone about it, plus the Avengers are in the habit of telling random strangers all about the powers/weaknesses of all their teammates?

Yes to the first, no to the second?

Second argument, is the Avengers get a ton of public exposure and press, with reporters following them around all the time. They ain't the X-men, they're public figures where everything they (and whomever they fight) say and do is in danger of being broadcast.

Do you have any scans to back that up?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Do you have any scans to back that up?

Sure.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/CDTM3000/na_21_0019_zps8d548325.jpg

The general public, recording their every move here (Likely "some" press would be involved too, considering getting dirt is their job.)

Secrets are hard to keep, under these kinds of conditions.

I don't see any mention of the Spider-sense in that scan.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I don't see any mention of the Spider-sense in that scan.

You're asking for something I never argued.

You wanted proof that the Avengers are public figures, and now you have it. If you want proof Spidey is a blabbermouth when he fights, I can provide those as well, but I'm fairly certain that's common knowledge.

The rest, is me expressing amazement that his SS is a secret, given these conditions. I don't pretend to have definitive proof that the SS is an open secret, at this time..

No, I wanted proof that the Spider-sense was public knowledge.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://i42.tinypic.com/2q2r4gm.png If that's slang I don't get it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, I wanted proof that the Spider-sense was public knowledge. It's listed on wikipedia, Marvel 616 universes Wikipedia.

Originally posted by SamZED
If that's slang I don't get it.
Jealous-->jelly

Spidey FTW
he faster stronger and IMO more determined

He also has genius level intellect so much like Batman can pull off a load of s*** with prep.

About the Spider Sense, I don't think it is public knowledge because how many times do his opponents say stuff like "He seems to know where I'll strike next," being baffled by it.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
It's listed on wikipedia, Marvel 616 universes Wikipedia.

LOL there you go.

With prep, Bats can pull out the Mr. Freeze gun.

That thing can ice an entire room instantly.