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No WF mxy (not that it's canon anyways)

who wins and why.

Mxy wins. Drag in Dream's entire family and Mxy still wins.

Originally posted by zopzop
Mxy wins. Drag in Dream's entire family and Mxy still wins.

reasons?

Originally posted by operator616
reasons?
Mxy is just that powerful.

Hell even in DCNu, didn't his power remake the entire universe? I think he was even planning a retcon!

Mxy shouldn't be used in VS threads IMHO.

Originally posted by zopzop
Mxy is just that powerful.

Hell even in DCNu, didn't his power remake the entire universe? I think he was even planning a retcon!

Mxy shouldn't be used in VS threads IMHO.

he is a casual universal buster (not a casual multiversal buster since WF is non canon) but dream of the endless is also casual universal buster/creator.

in a JLA story arc materioptikon (which was created by dream) was used to create several alternate universes. i think he should be around mxy's level.

Morpheus puts him to sleep.

Mxy. Also WF is canon for mxy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mxy. Also WF is canon for mxy.

it isn't canon to mxy, WF is one of the elseworlds that didn't get canonised as alternate realities.

Originally posted by operator616
it isn't canon to mxy, WF is one of the elseworlds that didn't get canonised as alternate realities.
Superman: King of the world is an elseworld too. Its canon to superman though since it was referenced in a canon comic. Same with WF. Galan proved it canon a long time ago.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman: King of the world is an elseworld too. Its canon to superman though since it was referenced in a canon comic. Same with WF. Galan proved it canon a long time ago.

do you mean the reference in emperor joker part 1? this isn't enough to prove it's canon. superman: king of the worlds at least happened in alternate reality, but WF didn't even happen in an alternate reality

Originally posted by operator616
do you mean the reference in emperor joker part 1? this isn't enough to prove it's canon. superman: king of the worlds at least happened in alternate reality, but WF didn't even happen in an alternate reality
There are several references. Reference of COIE makes WF alone canon since there was only one COIE. KOTW happened in mainstream continuity just like WF.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There are several references. Reference of COIE makes WF alone canon since there was only one COIE. KOTW happened in mainstream continuity just like WF.

what has COIE have to do with WF?

and no WF didn't happen in mainstream continuity, there's a reason why it's called an elseworld.

It was referenced in WF.

Many elseworlds are canon as they have been referenced in continuity. For example Legionnaires annual 3 and Power of shazam annual 1 are canon despite being labeled as an elseworld.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was referenced in WF.

Many elseworlds are canon as they have been referenced in continuity. For example Legionnaires annual 3 and Power of shazam annual 1 are canon despite being labeled as an elseworld.

i know it did, but i was asking what does this have to do with it being canon?

apart from the emperor joker story arc (which has a really weak reference to WF and can't be taken as solid proof) WF doesn't have references from canon issues (at least not to my knowledge)

There is only one COIE and its reference makes WF canon just like my previous examples.

So you take your opinion above valid examples. Lulz.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There is only one COIE and its reference makes WF canon just like my previous examples.

So you take your opinion above valid examples. Lulz.

no, if an elseworld references to COIE it doesn't make it canon, where did you get that from? the only thing that makes an elseworld canon if the elseworld itself is referenced in a canon issue. that's a fact.

Here

Originally posted by Galan007
Apart from the mainstream/prime multiverse, Mxy erased...

The Phantom Zone:
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/12012107_wf1.jpg

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The 5th Dimension (along with EVERY OTHER NUMBERED DIMENSION in existence):
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/12012110_wf2.jpg

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The 4th World:
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/12012113_wf3.jpg

And just so you know, destroying higher dimensional planes is exceedingly impressive, considering they are infinitely larger than the mainstream plane of reality (the multiverse)... Here's a description of the 4th World, for instance:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12012181/wf9.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12012182/wf10.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12012183/wf11.jpg.html

"All mortal universes exist inside bubbles in the one reality of New Genesis." - From a New Gods comic published in 1996.

...And the 5th dimension would be even larger still. Just some food for thought.

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The DC Animated universe (DCAU):
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/12012189_wf4.jpg

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Various Elseworlds stories such as this:
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/12012117_wf5.jpg

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And miscellaneous pasts, presents, futures, alternative universes, etc:
http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/12012118_wf6.jpg

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Before ultimately destroying DC in its entirety:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/12012123_wf7.jpg

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He then recreated it all with a snap, and made plans to do the same thing the following week:
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/12012124_wf8.jpg


Whether you like it or not, the realms/dimensions/universes I posted above are NOT directly tied to the Prime multiverse in any way--they are completely separate (that's why you can only get to the 4th dimension via a Boom Tube, for instance). Therefore Mxy HAD to have destroyed more than a multiverse.

Stop ignoring these blatant facts. It borders on trolling, tbh.

Like I said, even IF that is Dorkin (big if) the response he gave is not canon in the slightest. It does not change what Mxy did in the comic itself. Only an OFFICIAL retcon can change that. Website comments =/= official retcons, btw.

The multiverse never really went away. Aside from Hypertime, the multiverse itself has been canonically referenced multiple times.

Here's one such instance (from a JSA comic published in 1999):
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/12012154_m1.jpg

There is only one phantom zone, one fourth world, one fifth dimension etc. If these are referenced in WF, its absolutely canon.

Originally posted by operator616
no, if an elseworld references to COIE it doesn't make it canon, where did you get that from? the only thing that makes an elseworld canon if the elseworld itself is referenced in a canon issue. that's a fact.
You don't know what you're talking about. There's two way to establish a comic's canoninicity, either show a reference to it from a canon comic or show canon points from it. There's only one COIE, its canon, its been referenced in WF alongside several other unique things from proper DC universe, so its canon. 1+1=2, its that simple.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here



There is only one phantom zone, one fourth world, one fifth dimension etc. If these are referenced in WF, its absolutely canon.

i appreciate the prood you gave me, i really do, but im simply trying to get to the truth.

now mxy destroyed all Dc universes right? WF was published in 2000 correct? fact is, there wasn't even a multiverse back then was there? COIE erased the whole multiverse concept and it wasn't until infinite crisis that the multiverse was reborn by alex luthor.

could you provide an explanation to that? if you can, then i would gladly accept it.

Originally posted by operator616
i appreciate the prood you gave me, i really do, but im simply trying to get to the truth.

now mxy destroyed all Dc universes right? WF was published in 2000 correct? fact is, there wasn't even a multiverse back then was there? COIE erased the whole multiverse concept and it wasn't until infinite crisis that the multiverse was reborn by alex luthor.

could you provide an explanation to that? if you can, then i would gladly accept it.

Hypertime. Multiverse never went away though. Here's the scan from JSA 13 which references multiverse

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12012154/m1.jpg.html

Here is the superman "saves the omniverse" scan

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=adventuresofsuperman617fi2.jpg

The fact that wildstorm universe was a part of DCU before IC which in itself was a multiverse should tell you that DC was never a single universe. Chalk it up to hypertime.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hypertime. Multiverse never went away though. Here's the scan from JSA 13 which references multiverse

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12012154/m1.jpg.html

Here is the superman "saves the omniverse" scan

http://s1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/?action=view&current=adventuresofsuperman617fi2.jpg

The fact that wildstorm universe was a part of DCU before IC which in itself was a multiverse should tell you that DC was never a single universe. Chalk it up to hypertime.

the hypertime and wilstorm universes are excellent points on your part, ithough the concept of hypertime was abandoned after new 52 started. but im kind of uncomfortable with ignore everything that happened in COIE and infinite crisis, two of the most important events in DC history.

btw could you tell me the issue where superman saves the omniverse because it's important to know whether it was before or after infinite crisis. in red hood and the outlaws (not sure what issue exactly but if you want i'll dig it up) the omniverse was referenced as well.

Originally posted by operator616
the hypertime and wilstorm universes are excellent points on your part, ithough the concept of hypertime was abandoned after new 52 started. but im kind of uncomfortable with ignore everything that happened in COIE and infinite crisis, two of the most important events in DC history.

btw could you tell me the issue where superman saves the omniverse because it's important to know whether it was before or after infinite crisis. in red hood and the outlaws (not sure what issue exactly but if you want i'll dig it up) the omniverse was referenced as well.
I was talking about preboot DC universe. Even after COIE multiverse was referenced in Zero Hour, Armageddon 2001 etc.

The comic was named in the link. Its from Adventures of Superman 617 and its from 3 years before IC.

Dream absolutely slaughters mxy .