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CIS pis off. Fight takes place in a trailer park. This is classic Mm. Who takes it.

J'onn is stronger and probably somewhat faster. But I can't think of a single one of his powers that Loki can't replicate or top. I cannot say the same in reverse, and the trump card that is magic is also an element here. He would need to fight smart, but Loki for the solid majority.

Loki.

Couldn't MM put Loki to sleep like he did that God, Shiva?

Loki takes this one.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Couldn't MM put Loki to sleep like he did that God, Shiva?

it was vishnu and not shiva, and he is completely featless who has only appeared in one issue from what i know.

Originally posted by operator616
it was vishnu and not shiva, and he is completely featless who has only appeared in one issue from what i know.

My bad, but it's not the first cosmic MM has gotten into. Spectre and Mageddon as well. Can Loki replicate super speed? Can he attack someone who can shift his body in another dimension?

Thor is barely faster then a human so loki is probably slower. So mm would speedblitz him.

John isn't going to win this. Especially with such an exploitable weakness. Even in close combat, with Loki's tendency to sometimes summon the firesword and his own formidable shape-shifting, it wouldn't go well for John.

Originally posted by mighty adam
Thor is barely faster then a human so loki is probably slower. So mm would speedblitz him.

Lol.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
John isn't going to win this. Especially with such an exploitable weakness. Even in close combat, with Loki's tendency to sometimes summon the firesword and his own formidable shape-shifting, it wouldn't go well for John.



Lol. Thor is very slow period and you as a Thor fan should know that.

true, and i believe MM's telepathy is the most important factor in this battle. However i do not know enough about loki to make a definitive judgment.

Loki is a animal. But telepathy mm is better. Speed, strength goes to mm. Loki dose have that amp ability tho.

Hahaha ^^ gold. Take that thor fans, loki is an animal!!

Originally posted by mighty adam
Thor is very slow period and you as a Thor fan should know that.

Yes, barely faster than a baseline human apparently. Thanks for educating me!

Loki is slightly faster than human cuz he cought green arrow's arrow in the movie DURRRRRRR....

Loki

Originally posted by SamZED
Loki is slightly faster than human cuz he cought green arrow's arrow in the movie DURRRRRRR....

That can be excused as PIS though

Loki is alot more impressive than MM overall.

Edit: on loki's speed.
'almost at the speed of thought'
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journeyintomystery088-03.jpg

'at the speed of thought' he teleports arriving in disguise
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journey_in_to_mystery085-03.jpg

Dodges thors hammer
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journeyintomystery088-06.jpg

loki would take him for a majority--maybe a sweep if he gets into a tp battle and realizes mm's fire weakness. without weakness exploitation, i think mm could take a couple though.

Loki with CIS on
MM with CIS off

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Loki is alot more impressive than MM overall.

Edit: on loki's speed.
'almost at the speed of thought'
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journeyintomystery088-03.jpg

'at the speed of thought' he teleports arriving in disguise
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journey_in_to_mystery085-03.jpg

Dodges thors hammer
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/random%20comic%20feats/Journeyintomystery088-06.jpg mm has better feats using his speed in combat. No I won't say loki is more impressive just has high end magic.

Originally posted by mighty adam
mm has better feats using his speed in combat. No I won't say loki is more impressive just has high end magic.

MM's speed isn't the be all/end all to this contest. Loki's got an answer for virtually every power or ability that J'onn has.

Mm didn't have the fire weakness anymore...dam writers need to acknowledge that. So no loki won't be burning shit but loki magic is so strong do he really need fire?

Mm can steal mass from the earth punch loki head into space bfr... I know loki won't die but its a bfr mm wins.

I'm not even factoring in the fire weakness, tbh. Loki's power output is enough to damage the likes of the entire Thor Corps, Thor himself, and even beings outside of his tier.

Originally posted by mighty adam
Mm can steal mass from the earth punch loki head into space bfr... I know loki won't die but its a bfr mm wins.

Loki phases through it or makes an illusion for J'onn to attack or teleports away.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Loki phases through it or makes an illusion for J'onn to attack or teleports away. mm can engage him in a tp battle that he would win. Mind rape

Originally posted by mighty adam
mm can engage him in a tp battle that he would win. Mind rape

Loki would give as good as he can get or he could merely cloak himself from MM and attack him from that state.

Does MM even have better speed feats than Loki?

depends entirely upon how much stock you place on those 40yr old 'speed of thought' scans.....anyone have speed scans of loki within say, the last 25yrs...?

i'd say mm has a very clear speed advantage, especially combat speed, (dude has easily blitzed white martians, the same ones who donned the guise of zum among other things) but i don't think it would matter all that much in this fight.

He's phased through or teleported away from Mjolnir tosses pretty regularly. Thor's hammer tosses are anywhere from supersonic and on up, imo.

I will say that J'onn's speed will probably mean poop in this fight, though, too.

Not a good matchup for MM

Originally posted by mighty adam
mm has better feats using his speed in combat. No I won't say loki is more impressive just has high end magic. _
Who wants you to say Loki is more impressive? That's my opinion _

Well Loki's thing is magic and he does it very well.
Here I'll share some feats.

I'll leave the 'turning bor into snow' feat out as I sure you've seen it.

Dormammu acknowledges Loki's power being near his own
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower10Avengers115.jpg

Smashes boulders
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiStrength02Avengers300.jpg

Loki prepares to fight Disir (oh look,fire )
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/104794/2106774-letter_38.jpeg

Loki singlehandedly defeats the Disir in hand to hand combat.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/104794/2106775-letter_39.jpeg

Smashes a building with a single blow
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiStrength01147.jpg

Pimp-smack defeat masterson Thor
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiStrength03441.jpg

Tears down steel doors with no effort
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiStrength04DRTheCabal1.jpg

Enclosed between near million ton of earth_
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiDurability06WestCoastAvengers55.jpg

Masterson Thor tags him with storm breaker and it doesn't do much
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiDurability07441.jpg

Takes multiple shots by Thor
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiDurability11.jpg

Surtur swipes both Loki and Odin with the Twilight Sword itself and they both immediately recover to continue their assault on him
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiDurability03.jpg

Incineration chamber does nothing
_http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiDurability14.jpg

Takes visions phasing attack to the chest while pretending to be Scarlet Witch
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiDurability15MightyAvengers29.jpg

Again. Speed of thought
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed00aJIM85.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed00JIM88.jpg

His reflexes and speed at spell-casting have also been stated to measured at the speed of thought
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed02Avengers1.jpg

How fast is the "speed of thought"? This scene gives a clue. Here, Loki is tricked into racing an opponent on foot. After losing, his opponent is revealed to be Loki's own thoughts, "which fly at a speed beyond all reckoning. Not lightning itself can outstrip the power of thought."
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed06272.jpg

Gets his head cut off by Balder, magic durability is nice to have.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/104794/2035323-loki_headless2.jpg

Dodges thors hammer
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed01JIM88.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed03JIM108.jpg

His agility has permitted him to grab hold of a speeding Silver Surfer
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed05.jpg

speed of Loki's perception is also great and has permitted him to seize upon radio waves, which travel at the speed of light, and redirect them before reaching their intended destination
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed01aAvengers1.jpg

In terms of traveling by flight, he can traverse the terrain of Asgard's many realms swiftly
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed08318.jpg

He has sped around the Earth
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed04SS4.jpg

Avoids thors hammer blows
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSpeed16FirstThunder2.jpg

Loki has honed his combat skills during millennia of fighting in defense of, and against, Asgard. His swordsmanship is rarely displayed. Here, he fends off and disarms the Lady Sif
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiSkill01153.jpg

Despite being in astral form which reduces the amount of magical power to only a fraction, Loki's great power still exceeds that of the then-Master of the Mystic Arts, Dr. Strange
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower02StrangeTales123.jpg

When confronting his full magical power, unreduced by manifesting in astral form, Dr. Strange exclaims that it is "the most powerful, the most awesome ever encountered."
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower03JIM108.jpg

Silver surfer remarks about Loki's power "power such as his can decimate a planet"_
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower05SS4.jpg

This is no mere boast as Loki literally permits Surfer to traverse past Galactus' barrier
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower06.jpg

When Loki wrestles with Dormammu at the climax of the Avengers/Defenders War, the Evil Eye absorbs and blasts out Dormammu's power into Loki. Loki is driven insane by the ordeal
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower11Avengers118.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower12Avengers119.jpg

Except it was all a ruse. Loki had replaced his seemingly catatonic form with that of a child, who had remained behind for months in Loki's place. Loki absorbed all of Dormammu's power and studied the extent of his powers during that time
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower13232.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower14.jpg

After both Odin and Thor are laid low, Loki tackles Surtur the Fire Demon on his own and holds him off for precious minutes while his family recovers
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower15353.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower16.jpg

While ultimately unsuccessful, Loki's astral form can, and has, clashed with Odin's, "simultaneously on every conceivable astral and metaphysical plane,"_
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower22455.jpg

_when fully manifesting physically, Loki's magical power increases from the fraction it is when in astral form
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower29AvengersTheOrigin3.jpg

Here, Apocalypse's Celestial draining machines fail to contain Loki. Calibak remains in genuine awe of Loki's power and worries that Loki may follow through on his threats of death. Apocalypse does not dispel those concerns or mitigates the threat that Loki presents
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower20XFactor50.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower21.jpg

Loki's power is so great that he has also managed to trap and contain Mistress Death herself against her will
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower24Deadpool34.jpg

Loki's magical power is also made evident by the force he can bring to bear offensively. Here, Loki's astral form nearly destroys the protective mystic shield conjured by Dr. Strange's Amulet of Agamotto with his mystic blasts_
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower01StrangeTales123.jpg

Channels a mystic bolt threw Balders sword _by touch
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower03189.jpg

Despite being ambushed by binding spells, Loki's magic initially proves superior to Seth's, despite Seth drawing upon his entire dimension for additional power
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiMagicPower23JIM511.jpg

Loki has fired a magical arrow at Warlock, a Technarch, powerful enough to completely scrambled him to near death_
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiSpells17-MagicalArrow.jpg

Blasts the thor corps off their feet
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower06441.jpg

Loki follows up by rendering both Beta Ray Bill and Masterson Thor completely senseless with channeled mystical blasts
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower08.jpg

Loki can emit omnidirectional blasts that stagger even an amped Seth
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Stats/LokiBlastPower09JIM513.jpg

Loki's force-fields have protected him from the Disir's wrath in pitched battle
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiForcefields04SiegeLoki1.jpg

Despite being used seldomly, one of Loki's most enduring signature powers is the ability to create copies of himself in battle. These copies were not illusions but actual physical copies. He first uses them in Avengers #1
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiCopies01Avengers1.jpg

Uses copies to fight Surtur_
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiCopies02353.jpg

Loki's illusions can be gigantic as he fools Surtur with an illusion of the Eternal Flame
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiIllusions03353.jpg

Loki's illusions are not static either. He can make the most unfortunate Thunderstrike look like Xemnu to She-Hulks eyes throughout a fight_
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiIllusions06Thunderstrike21.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiIllusions07.jpg

Loki's illusions are so adept they have even fooled and manipulated the wise Odin who does not discern their sinister origins
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiIllusions08v312.jpg

The versatility by which Loki can phase makes him one of the more superior phasing characters in comics. Loki can dimensionally phase as he saves his enchanted sword from shattering by Mjolnir
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiPhasing01JIM115.jpg

Here, Loki effects a molecular phase to save Thor from the Destroyer in Journey Into Mystery #119. Note also the vast range he possesses as Loki's all the way in Asgard and Thor's on Earth
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiPhasing02JIM119.jpg

His ability to phase appears to be as effortless as it is instantaneous as he comfortably phases between panels
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiPhasing04397.jpg

Loki's phased state does not prevent him from casting spells either while remaining in a phased state as he contemplates here in Thor #397 and actually does so in Thor #398 where he magically gifts half his strength to Thor and teleports away
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiPhasing05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiStrengthTransfer03398.jpg

It isn't just critters that Loki can transform into but also great winged dragons
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiShapeshifting07aMarvelFanfare37.jpg

Loki can still cast spells in his shape-shifted form. Here, as a fly, Loki casts a spell of silence
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiSpells20-SilenceSpell365.jpg

Obviously, Loki's shape-shifting serves him well for purposes of subterfuge. However, Loki can and has challenged foes physically in battles with his shape-shifting, as he does here with Thor himself in a dizzying (and brutal) array of shape-shifting
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiShapeshifting20.jpg

As a descendant of Frost Giants, it makes sense that Loki can grow to greater sizes to combat his foes, as he does here against the poor Lady Sif_
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiSizeshifting02191.jpg

Growing again
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiSizeshifting04X-MenAlphaFlight2.jpg

Loki's ability to perceive events from afar is nearly unparalleled. Even imprisoned on Asgard, he can concentrate and spy on his hated stepbrother on Earth
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiVision01JIM92.jpg

Loki does not require a personal connection to his target either. Simply by willing it, he can track targets he has never met... even when they manifest in disguised forms, as with Ghost Rider in the form of Danny Ketch
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiVision07430.jpg

Loki doesn't even need to concentrate on a specific target. From the Isle of Silence, Loki can scan the entire planet and have significant figures come into view, from Avengers #300 and re-presented in Avengers: The Origin #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiVision03Avengers300.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiVision11AvengersTheOrigin1.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiVision12.jpg

Loki's clairvoyance extends to the temporal. Simply by concentrating, he can see a target's past as he does with Silver Surfer
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiVision02SilverSurfer4.jpg

Loki can further scale his vision down to the micro-scale and perceive objects as tiny as DNA
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiVision16ThorFirstThunder3.jpg

Physical boundaries are meaningless to Loki as he has the magical ability to teleport. "Faster than the brain can comprehend," Loki can teleport the Absorbing Man to and from desolate places
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiTeleportation02JIM122.jpg

A handy maneuver, Loki can even switch his own location with another's instantly
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiTeleportation28God-Sized1.jpg

Loki's physical presence is not required as Loki's astral form can banish the cosmically powered Silver Surfer (no stranger to spatial powers himself)_http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiTeleportation03SilverSurfer4.jpg

Teleports/summons an enchanted axe from limbo
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiTeleportation12275.jpg

Loki also famously converted his entire physical form into a dangerously radioactive energy at the end of Avengers #1. As retold in Avengers: The Origin #3, Iron Man's sensors can't even identify what energy he's become
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiEnergyManipulation09AvengersTheOrigin3.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiEnergyManipulation02Avengers1.jpg

In Thor's experience, it is only Loki who could transmute a simple cloud into an actual dragon
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiTransmutation07JIM92.jpg

He melds minds with a resurrected Odin to penetrate his subconscious
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiTelepathy04JIM511.jpg

When the Enchantress begins altering the fabric of reality and memory by manipulating the World Tree with her magicks, Loki melds the minds of Thor and Balder and her own's to pierce through the reality changes being wrought in Thor: God-Sized #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiTelepathy07God-Sized1.jpg

Loki played with Osborn's psyche -- a psyche that proved formidable even for X-Man
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiTelepathy09MightyAvengers33.jpg

Loki has used his headpiece to create a mystic cage. Dr. Strange must use his Amulet of Agamotto to escape_http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiSpells03-MysticCageStrangeTales123.jpg

He kept the Red Skull, the Wizard and the Mandarin helplessly bound
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiBinding03WestCoastAvengers55.jpg

Loki's bound his own daughter (under Morwen's control), in a binding spell
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiBinding04ASMv262.jpg

Loki can even bind souls with his magicks
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiBinding06SiegeLoki1.jpg

Loki's bound Kelda's spirit
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiBinding07614.jpg

Loki has quite a penchant for sapping the strength of super-powered victims. Loki is capable of transforming Hulk and instantly sapping his gamma-spawned power despite plunging dangerously into a ravine
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiStrengthSapping01TalesToAstonish101.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiStrengthSapping02.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiStrengthSapping03.jpg

Loki can weave spells onto an entire realm and halve the strength of even Thor
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiStrengthSapping04275.jpg


Loki completely saps the Asgardian power from each of the Wrecking Crew with but a touch, and transfers it to himself,_
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiStrengthSapping05430.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiStrengthSapping06.jpg
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http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiStrengthSapping08431.jpg

wove spells on the powerful and unwitting Godstorm which would transfer all of its power to Loki whenever he wanted to claim it. When Loki ambushes him from behind with an attack, he elicits a blast of power from the Godstorm which Loki absorbs with the rest of his power
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiStrengthSapping09Godstorm3.jpg

Now onto something important... FIRE

Loki incinerates Thor's make-shift mallet_
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiIncineration01JIM92.jpg

Loki fires a powerful fireball that literally melts amped Frost Giants as it weaves through them
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiIncineration02378.jpg

Even Iron Man's armor cannot fully protect him from Loki's conjured fire
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiIncineration03403.jpg

Loki follows up a touch of enchanted frost with a touch of incineration upon Thor
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiIncineration04432.jpg

Snap of the fingers and a frost giant is incinerated_
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiIncineration06v312.jpg

More fire
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiIncineration07603.jpg


He also has ice. Weather control magic and earth manipulation magic.
I put all this up to show a little bit why i find him more impressive and to show a little of why I think he has a better chance than some might think.

J'onn wins. LOL @ loki using his weakness. Its like he has a poster on his back "Fire is my weakness". Originally posted by Digi
J'onn is stronger and probably somewhat faster. But I can't think of a single one of his powers that Loki can't replicate or top. I cannot say the same in reverse, and the trump card that is magic is also an element here. He would need to fight smart, but Loki for the solid majority.
Loki can't replicate J'onn's telepathy at his level.

Loki uses fire based attacks pretty often. Even summons a fire based melee weapon.

So...yeah. It's pretty likely Loki will use fire without even figuring out that J'onn's weak to it.

Posting respect thread makes you the winner apparently.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Loki uses fire based attacks pretty often. Even summons a fire based melee weapon.

So...yeah. It's pretty likely Loki will use fire without even figuring out that J'onn's weak to it.
Not before J'onn mindrapes him or just beat the shit out of him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not before J'onn mindrapes him or just beat the shit out of him.

Doubtful J'onn mindrapes him considering Loki can mask his presence to an insane degree and given his own mental prowess and feats.

As far as "beating the shit out of him" goes, that's also pretty unlikely given Loki's, well, feats in general.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Posting respect thread makes you the winner apparently.
Can't tell what Adam knows or doesn't know about characters so instead of rambling on about what Loki could do the mass of feats seemed more effective.
but if you think I win I'll gladly accept.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Can't tell what Adam knows or doesn't know about characters so instead of rambling on about what Loki could do the mass of feats seemed more effective.
but if you think I win I'll gladly accept.
Sarcasm is wasted on you.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doubtful J'onn mindrapes him considering Loki can mask his presence to an insane degree and given his own mental prowess and feats.

As far as "beating the shit out of him" goes, that's also pretty unlikely given Loki's, well, feats in general.
You think Loki can shield his mind from J'onn? Don't make me laugh.

Thor has beat the shit out of him and Fenris at the same time. I don't see what is so great about Loki's durability. If we're going by high end feats from respect thread and not the average depictions of Loki, J'onn restrained Diana and Orion at the same time.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sarcasm is wasted on you.
I knew you were being sarcastic so no need to be a d*ck bud

What are Loki's best TP against top tier telepaths?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You think Loki can shield his mind from J'onn? Don't make me laugh.

Thor has beat the shit out of him and Fenris at the same time. I don't see what is so great about Loki's durability. If we're going by high end feats from respect thread and not the average depictions of Loki, J'onn restrained Diana and Orion at the same time.

He's shielded himself from Odin and Mephisto could barely detect him in his own realm. So, yes, he can certainly mask himself from J'onn. And that's without resorting to illusions.

Thor's Thor. And Loki still wasn't knocked out. Who's using high end feats? Loki isn't some weak feeb that Thor can nonchalantly knock out as evidenced by, say, decades worth of canonical material.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
I knew you were being sarcastic so no need to be a d*ck bud


You are forgiven.

uhuh

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's shielded himself from Odin and Mephisto could barely detect him in his own realm. So, yes, he can certainly mask himself from J'onn. And that's without resorting to illusions.

Thor's Thor. And Loki still wasn't knocked out. Who's using high end feats? Loki isn't some weak feeb that Thor can nonchalantly knock out as evidenced by, say, decades worth of canonical material.

That's not going to shield him from someone who has forcibly taken spectre+JLA to the astral plane and has mindraped a worloggog user and has mindraped Adam one who was a universal level being. High end feats wouldn't go well for Loki.

Thor isn't stronger than J'onn. Not at all. Loki was amped by a duplicate mjolnir too. Thor has knocked out Loki before, wrecker oneshotted him. I don't see why J'onn couldn't do it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not going to shield him from someone who has forcibly taken spectre+JLA to the astral plane and has mindraped a worloggog user and has mindraped Adam one who was a universal level being. High end feats wouldn't go well for Loki.

Thor isn't stronger than J'onn. Not at all. Loki was amped by a duplicate mjolnir too. Thor has knocked out Loki before, wrecker oneshotted him. I don't see why J'onn couldn't do it.

It's hard to see but I'll clue you in on something.

It's because we're not JUST using Loki's low feats and J'onn's high feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not going to shield him from someone who has forcibly taken spectre+JLA to the astral plane and has mindraped a worloggog user and has mindraped Adam one who was a universal level being. High end feats wouldn't go well for Loki.

Thor isn't stronger than J'onn. Not at all. Loki was amped by a duplicate mjolnir too. Thor has knocked out Loki before, wrecker oneshotted him. I don't see why J'onn couldn't do it.

Those aren't high end feats at all. Loki's been able to get away with a lot of his bullshit by hiding his presence since day one. Considering the respective feats of Odin and Mephisto, Loki being able to cloak himself from them without trying desperately hard suggest that J'onn's not going to easily shut down his mind if at all.

Thor can punch/strike harder than J'onn can. Lol and Loki wasn't "amped" by his bastardized Mjolnir at all in terms of physical prowess. It was an enchanted weapon, nothing more, nothing less. Thor knocking Loki out doesn't mean Loki's weak as Thor's knocked out plenty of people before. Wrecker one shotting him is PIS and lowballing when compared to the overwhelming history of Loki's.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Those aren't high end feats at all. Loki's been able to get away with a lot of his bullshit by hiding his presence since day one. Considering the respective feats of Odin and Mephisto, Loki being able to cloak himself from them without trying desperately hard suggest that J'onn's not going to easily shut down his mind if at all.

Thor can punch/strike harder than J'onn can. Lol and Loki wasn't "amped" by his bastardized Mjolnir at all in terms of physical prowess. It was an enchanted weapon, nothing more, nothing less. Thor knocking Loki out doesn't mean Loki's weak as Thor's knocked out plenty of people before. Wrecker one shotting him is PIS and lowballing when compared to the overwhelming history of Loki's.

So nothing but vague "Feats, I tell you. FEATS". Loki hiding from Odin and Mephisto is certainly a high end feat and not his average. You attempting to prove otherwise is laughable.

No he can't. J'onn is certainly as strong as Thor. Thor knocking out Loki means J'onn can do that too. LOL @ screaming PIS at wrecker knocking out Loki though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You think Loki can shield his mind from J'onn? Don't make me laugh.

Thor has beat the shit out of him and Fenris at the same time. I don't see what is so great about Loki's durability. If we're going by high end feats from respect thread and not the average depictions of Loki, J'onn restrained Diana and Orion at the same time.

Loki took that beating like a champ. How can you reference him taking such a beating and scoff at his durability? That kind of onslaught from Thor could very well wreck John.

A panel of him knocking back the league is pretty cool. Loki's high ends are more conclusive and impressive.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So nothing but vague "Feats, I tell you. FEATS". Loki hiding from Odin and Mephisto is certainly a high end feat and not his average. You attempting to prove otherwise is laughable.

No he can't. J'onn is certainly as strong as Thor. Thor knocking out Loki means J'onn can do that too. LOL @ screaming PIS at wrecker knocking out Loki though.

Lol what's vague about them? Loki has, historically, been able to hide himself from Odin and thereby trick him or keep himself from getting found out from his plots. Sure, Odin eventually catches on, but he's been fooling or otherwise shown capable of masking his presence from Odin for decades now. Trying to argue that Loki can't or doesn't hide from Odin is actually trolling on your part and horrendous lowballing.

Thor can punch harder than J'onn. Mjolnir certainly hits harder than J'onn can. J'onn could feasibly knock out Loki, sure. But using low feats of Loki's to argue why is stupid and, again, trolling.

Loki's baseline average is beyond Wrecker's means to one shot KO him. And Wrecker doing so is CLEARLY PIS. Feel free to prove me wrong or, better yet, "myth bust" it.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiSpells40-Invisibilityv219.jpg
Is this an Amped Mephisto? I don't remember context here but it shows Loki masking his presence to the point that within his own realm Mephisto knows someone is their but not where or who.

There's also the fact that Loki's illusions have consistently fooled Odin and all the times he's tricked or hid his motives from Odin's clairvoyance/relative omniscience.

Acting like they don't count or are all high end feats is beyond stupid.

I don't even feel like I should dignify why the Wrecker one-shot KOing Loki is a low showing if not outright PIS.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's shielded himself from Odin and Mephisto could barely detect him in his own realm. So, yes, he can certainly mask himself from J'onn. And that's without resorting to illusions.

Thor's Thor. And Loki still wasn't knocked out. Who's using high end feats? Loki isn't some weak feeb that Thor can nonchalantly knock out as evidenced by, say, decades worth of canonical material.
http://s9.postimg.org/9ka1boccr/tumblr_m542oe_GDY81qh6w8to2_500.jpg
whistling

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Loki took that beating like a champ. How can you reference him taking such a beating and scoff at his durability? That kind of onslaught from Thor could very well wreck John.

A panel of him knocking back the league is pretty cool. Loki's high ends are more conclusive and impressive.
Because taking an ass beating isn't particularly impressive. See Sodam Yat. LOL @ it wrecking J'onn though. Maybe in your dreams.

Not a single panel though. He was actively restraining Diana, Orion and Barda while battling superman.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/103208/2646980-5.png

Originally posted by zopzop
http://s9.postimg.org/9ka1boccr/tumblr_m542oe_GDY81qh6w8to2_500.jpg
whistling

Compare that to the rest of Loki's showings and Thor's.

In that same time frame and under the same writer, Simonson, Loki no sold a beheading. And a single tap from Mjolnir shattering Loki's arm that he can't heal right away through magic clearly isn't the norm for Thor. If it was, Thor would have maimed dozens of people whom he's struck harder than that.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Compare that to the rest of Loki's showings and Thor's.

In that same time frame and under the same writer, Simonson, Loki no sold a beheading.
Didn't he specifically prep for that?

Unless I missed something, he gets no prep here.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Lol what's vague about them? Loki has, historically, been able to hide himself from Odin and thereby trick him or keep himself from getting found out from his plots. Sure, Odin eventually catches on, but he's been fooling or otherwise shown capable of masking his presence from Odin for decades now. Trying to argue that Loki can't or doesn't hide from Odin is actually trolling on your part and horrendous lowballing.

Thor can punch harder than J'onn. Mjolnir certainly hits harder than J'onn can. J'onn could feasibly knock out Loki, sure. But using low feats of Loki's to argue why is stupid and, again, trolling.

Loki's baseline average is beyond Wrecker's means to one shot KO him. And Wrecker doing so is CLEARLY PIS. Feel free to prove me wrong or, better yet, "myth bust" it.

Odin has effortlessely chumped Loki in telepathy. Lets not get carried away here. The only way Loki hides himself is because Odin often doesn't pays attention. Saying otherwise is trolling from you and a horrendous highballing.

Thor has knocked out Loki using just fists. That's not an area where he's above J'onn.

No need for it. Wrecker is a Thor class being when he's not power-sharing. Him oneshotting Loki isn't PIS.

Originally posted by zopzop
Didn't he specifically prep for that?

Unless I missed something, he gets no prep here.

No he didn't.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Compare that to the rest of Loki's showings and Thor's.

In that same time frame and under the same writer, Simonson, Loki no sold a beheading. And a single tap from Mjolnir shattering Loki's arm that he can't heal right away through magic clearly isn't the norm for Thor. If it was, Thor would have maimed dozens of people whom he's struck harder than that.

Mjolnir's magic overcame Loki's enchantments which is why he got injured there but Balder's beheading was nothing. One of the reasons Thor is so effective against Loki aside from invoking CIS is that Mjolnir is a counter to a lot of his shit.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because taking an ass beating isn't particularly impressive. See Sodam Yat. LOL @ it wrecking J'onn though. Maybe in your dreams.

Not a single panel though. He was actively restraining Diana, Orion and Barda while battling superman.

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/10/103208/2646980-5.png

You mentioned his durability and brought that scene up. A one sided beating like that from Thor would definitely f*ck John, it would wreck almost anybody.

Like I said, a panel. Not to mention the league's CIS. Also, it's been a long time since I read John's solo series, but isn't that his brother there attacking Superman.

I also lol'ed at that. He's restraining Orion and Wonder Woman but battling Superman.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Compare that to the rest of Loki's showings and Thor's.

In that same time frame and under the same writer, Simonson, Loki no sold a beheading. And a single tap from Mjolnir shattering Loki's arm that he can't heal right away through magic clearly isn't the norm for Thor. If it was, Thor would have maimed dozens of people whom he's struck harder than that.

Surviving beheading has nothing to do with durability. Your tendency to spout random feats which have no bearing on the topic is getting at laughable heights.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You mentioned his durability and brought that scene up. A one sided beating like that from Thor would definitely f*ck John, it would wreck almost anybody. Because a beating doen't denotes durability. Fenris didn't get KOED either. That's just a proof that Thor punches like a sissy.

They were determined to bring him in. Considering Orion was bloodlusted there, its a very big feat. It was him shapeshifting his hand into a replica of his brother.

Superman is just that strong.

uhuh

Originally posted by abhilegend
Odin has effortlessely chumped Loki in telepathy. Lets not get carried away here. The only way Loki hides himself is because Odin often doesn't pays attention. Saying otherwise is trolling from you and a horrendous highballing.

Thor has knocked out Loki using just fists. That's not an area where he's above J'onn.

No need for it. Wrecker is a Thor class being when he's not power-sharing. Him oneshotting Loki isn't PIS.

Of course Odin beats Loki in a fight when he knows he's there. Loki hides himself from Odin because he's a skilled enough sorcerer to do so. There's been plenty of times where Odin has been trying to find Loki or get to the bottom of things and hasn't been able to. It's all on panel and is consistent with the histories of both characters.

Who cares?

Look at all the times Loki hasn't been one shotted and compared to the instances where he has. The evidence is so staggeringly in favor of it being a low end/PIS moment it's unreal. Stop trolling and spinning it as if it's not.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surviving beheading has nothing to do with durability. Your tendency to spout random feats which have no bearing on the topic is getting at laughable heights.



What's laughable here is your trolling and lowballing:

-Loki hiding himself from Odin/Mephisto are "high end feats"
-Loki was "amped" by a duplicate Mjolnir
-Wrecker one shot KOing Loki isn't PIS/very low end

Seriously, man, it's sad.

So, no high feats allowed for Loki, but MM holding off the League, and bringing Spectre to the astral plane are pretty OK?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because a beating doen't denotes durability. Fenris didn't get KOED either. That's just a proof that Thor punches like a sissy.

So, Thor, whose striking power is pretty documented, not being able to KO Loki isn't a durability feat for Loki?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Of course Odin beats Loki in a fight when he knows he's there. Loki hides himself from Odin because he's a skilled enough sorcerer to do so. There's been plenty of times where Odin has been trying to find Loki or get to the bottom of things and hasn't been able to. It's all on panel and is consistent with the histories of both characters.

Who cares?

Look at all the times Loki hasn't been one shotted and compared to the instances where he has. The evidence is so staggeringly in favor of it being a low end/PIS moment it's unreal. Stop trolling and spinning it as if it's not.
Well that's settled then. Loki hiding himself from Odin when he isn't paying any attention doesn't mean he can hide himself from J'onn in combat anyway.

You do.

A large number of getting beaten by fists doesn't mean getting oneshotted by a thor level being is PIS. We can throw any feats we don't like by using that logic. Loki doesn't has such high durability. Accept it an move on.Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What's laughable here is your trolling and lowballing:

-Loki hiding himself from Odin/Mephisto are "high end feats"
-Loki was "amped" by a duplicate Mjolnir
-Wrecker one shot KOing Loki isn't PIS/very low end

Seriously, man, it's sad.

-Yes, they are when we see Odin effortlessly punking Loki.
-He was amped IIRC.
-"Me said any low showing is PIS. Me only use high end showings."

That's what is sad. Your diplomatic answers don't fool anyone.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, Thor, whose striking power is pretty documented, not being able to KO Loki isn't a durability feat for Loki?
BRB oneshot killed Fenris. Thor couldn't KO him either in that showing. Does that mean BRB killing Fenris is PIS too? Pray tell.

Originally posted by abhilegend
BRB oneshot killed Fenris. Thor couldn't KO him either in that showing. Does that mean BRB killing Fenris is PIS too? Pray tell.

Probably means that you should learn how to start counting and that BRB hits a bit harder with Mjolnir.

He hit him 8 times.

First once, then six "thooms" and then a final "kraka-doom".

Originally posted by abhilegend


-He was amped IIRC.


Not at that particular point. He turned into a skyfather at the end of the mini series when he took Asgard's power though.

Even without using high end feats, Loki still has good durability. He regularly fights Thor and can take a lot of hits before going down. That's not really debatable. He's got his low showings of course, but he's more than capable of taking punishment when need be. Not that he'd have to.

Originally posted by abhilegend
BRB oneshot killed Fenris. Thor couldn't KO him either in that showing. Does that mean BRB killing Fenris is PIS too? Pray tell.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsFenrisDurok04.jpg
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff512/Thorshammmer/Thor%20feats/whodareslayhandsonthemightythor.jpg?t=1294027444

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well that's settled then. Loki hiding himself from Odin when he isn't paying any attention doesn't mean he can hide himself from J'onn in combat anyway.

You do.

A large number of getting beaten by fists doesn't mean getting oneshotted by a thor level being is PIS. We can throw any feats we don't like by using that logic. Loki doesn't has such high durability. Accept it an move on.

He's hid himself from Odin when Odin was trying to find him and has fooled him - often to his face - multiple times. It certainly means he can hide from J'onn in combat, get real.

I wasn't the one who said J'onn can hit harder than Thor with or without Mjolnir, was I?

facepalm Loki's entire history suggests that him getting one shot by Wrecker is PIS/very low end. That's not debatable. That's what I'm saying.

Originally posted by abhilegend

-Yes, they are when we see Odin effortlessly punking Loki.
-He was amped IIRC.
-"Me said any low showing is PIS. Me only use high end showings."

That's what is sad. Your diplomatic answers don't fool anyone.

-Odin beating Loki in a fight =/= Loki clearly having the means to fool or hide himself from J'onn in the midst of combat.
-How was he amped? All it did was give him an enchanted uru weapon, which doesn't enhance his strength or durability at all. And this was well before he started absorbing energy from Asgard itself.
-The hell? I'm not using exclusively high end showings. I'm using Loki's history as a whole.

You are the last one to say anything about trying to fool anybody.

Originally posted by abhilegend
BRB oneshot killed Fenris. Thor couldn't KO him either in that showing. Does that mean BRB killing Fenris is PIS too? Pray tell.

He didn't one shot kill Fenris. facepalm

Either do the proper research, admit you're not sure, or stop lying all together.

Originally posted by Damborgson
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsFenrisDurok04.jpg
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff512/Thorshammmer/Thor%20feats/whodareslayhandsonthemightythor.jpg?t=1294027444

MYTH BUSTED.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
MYTH BUSTED.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgdgov3Lz91qftibeo1_1280.jpg

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
MYTH BUSTED.

http://ih0.redbubble.net/image.11444189.6053/sticker,375x360.u2.png

I'm so tempted to put that in the myth buster thread...

Originally posted by Damborgson
Not at that particular point. He turned into a skyfather at the end of the mini series when he took Asgard's power though.

Even without using high end feats, Loki still has good durability. He regularly fights Thor and can take a lot of hits before going down. That's not really debatable. He's got his low showings of course, but he's more than capable of taking punishment when need be. Not that he'd have to.


http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsFenrisDurok04.jpg
http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff512/Thorshammmer/Thor%20feats/whodareslayhandsonthemightythor.jpg?t=1294027444
Ah okay.Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He's hid himself from Odin when Odin was trying to find him and has fooled him - often to his face - multiple times. It certainly means he can hide from J'onn in combat, get real.

I wasn't the one who said J'onn can hit harder than Thor with or without Mjolnir, was I?

facepalm Loki's entire history suggests that him getting one shot by Wrecker is PIS/very low end. That's not debatable. That's what I'm saying.



-Odin beating Loki in a fight =/= Loki clearly having the means to fool or hide himself from J'onn in the midst of combat.
-How was he amped? All it did was give him an enchanted uru weapon, which doesn't enhance his strength or durability at all. And this was well before he started absorbing energy from Asgard itself.
-The hell? I'm not using exclusively high end showings. I'm using Loki's history as a whole.

You are the last one to say anything about trying to fool anybody.
He has? I have seen Odin effortlessly finding and punking loki more times than not. If what you're saying is true, then its PIS.

He can certainly hit as hard as Thor's fists.

Why the long face? Loki getting oneshotted by Wrecker isn't as bad as him getting his arm broken by a mere tap from Thor. Now that's PIS too, right?

J'onn taking spectre to astral plane is better than anything Loki has done. He takes Loki into astral plane and punks him.

I misremembered. Ok.

You aren't? Could've been fooled me.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He didn't one shot kill Fenris. facepalm

Either do the proper research, admit you're not sure, or stop lying all together.
I checked back and you're right. But that doesn't excuse Thor not being able to KO Fenris while BRB killing him.Originally posted by JakeTheBank
MYTH BUSTED.
Don't tell me you are still butthurt from that thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I checked back and you're right. But that doesn't excuse Thor not being able to KO Fenris while BRB killing him.

Why?

Thor was hitting him AND Loki after fighting prior to that.

BRB had Stormbreaker.

Is MM really getting defended by using Loki low feats?

That's like pointing out low feats from Carnage when he's fighting Rhino.

And there's the fact that Thor was only using fists while BRB was using lightning and amped hammer slams.

Originally posted by Golgo13
What are Loki's best TP against top tier telepaths?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ah okay.
He has? I have seen Odin effortlessly finding and punking loki more times than not. If what you're saying is true, then its PIS. ~sly~

He can certainly hit as hard as Thor's fists.

Why the long face? Loki getting oneshotted by Wrecker isn't as bad as him getting his arm broken by a mere tap from Thor. Now that's PIS too, right?

J'onn taking spectre to astral plane is better than anything Loki has done. He takes Loki into astral plane and punks him.

I misremembered. Ok.

You aren't? Could've been fooled me.

Odin being vastly more powerful than Loki and curbing him in a fight, again, has no bearing on whether or not Loki can trick J'onn or cast illusions on him successfully. C'mon, man.

So dropping the contention J'onn hits as hard as Mjolnir?

Are you serious with this? Mjolnir breaking Loki's arm with a tap that Loki couldn't heal with magic isn't the norm for Thor at all. If it was, he would have destroyed countless people with it. Said strike was designed to get around Loki's healing magic. Chalk it up to another plot device Mjolnir moment. Certainly not PIS when weighed against everything else that damn hammer has done, but nice try. Using two radically different and wild feats on Loki's behalf still doesn't change the fact that historically, Loki's durable enough to not be one shot KO'd by Wrecker. Prove otherwise.

Spectre being dragged to the Astral Plane against his will isn't PIS for Spectre? Look at J'onn's average and Spectre's and tell me it isn't with a straight face.

"Misremembering". Ok.

Uh, I'm not the guy whose "misremembering" at best and brazen lie at worst just got exposed for everyone to see.

Again.

Although its kind of amusing how all of Thorbags have attacked me for saying anybody other than thor can beat loki.

mmm

Does Spectre even have TP defense? Serious question.

Because Batman and ****ing Kyle Gaynor have resisted mental fudgepackery better than him.

I have a perfectly good explanation for that.

Martian Manhunter's jobber level is = 80
Spectre's jobber level = 100+

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Does Spectre even have TP defense? Serious question.

Because Batman and ****ing Kyle Gaynor have resisted mental fudgepackery better than him.

Depending on which version, he has had some defenses.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I checked back and you're right. But that doesn't excuse Thor not being able to KO Fenris while BRB killing him.
Don't tell me you are still butthurt from that thread.

...Bill blasted Fenris with lightning and then wailed on him with more than half a dozen unanswered amped Stormbreaker shots.

How is proving you wrong in the Myth Busting thread, a thread you more or less turned into a lowballing thread where you can pick apart feats you don't like or understand before being told off by mods equal me being butthurt?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Although its kind of amusing how all of Thorbags have attacked me for saying anybody other than thor can beat loki.

mmm

If by "attacking" you mean pointing out your lowballing/trolling/lying...

@ trying to look like a victim or that people are unfairly picking on you, though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Although its kind of amusing how all of Thorbags have attacked me for saying anybody other than thor can beat loki.

mmm

I posted scans of what you said being wrong. and I didn't lowball Lokis durability. I hope you can stand after that brutal attack of mine.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Does Spectre even have TP defense? Serious question.

Because Batman and ****ing Kyle Gaynor have resisted mental fudgepackery better than him.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
...Bill blasted Fenris with lightning and then wailed on him with more than half a dozen unanswered amped Stormbreaker shots.

How is proving you wrong in the Myth Busting thread, a thread you more or less turned into a lowballing thread where you can pick apart feats you don't like or understand before being told off by mods equal me being butthurt?
I just vaguely remembered BRB attacking Fenris and standing over him. I don't remember every Tho/BRB showings like true thorbags like you so forgive me.

Lulz. You didn't prove me wrong, you just posted a few scans and went "Do you really believe that bro" routine and then bailed out. Classic butthurt scenario.Originally posted by JakeTheBank
If by "attacking" you mean pointing out your lowballing/trolling/lying...

@ trying to look like a victim or that people are unfairly picking on you, though.
Just attacking like "Myth busting bro", "Me am so witty and funny". Seriously?

Abhi, stop baiting people.

Those are some great TP feats.
Loki has a few like that of his own, scanning the universe for this and that.

Do you have any combat-tp feats?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Odin being vastly more powerful than Loki and curbing him in a fight, again, has no bearing on whether or not Loki can trick J'onn or cast illusions on him successfully. C'mon, man.

So dropping the contention J'onn hits as hard as Mjolnir?

Are you serious with this? Mjolnir breaking Loki's arm with a tap that Loki couldn't heal with magic isn't the norm for Thor at all. If it was, he would have destroyed countless people with it. Said strike was designed to get around Loki's healing magic. Chalk it up to another plot device Mjolnir moment. Certainly not PIS when weighed against everything else that damn hammer has done, but nice try. Using two radically different and wild feats on Loki's behalf still doesn't change the fact that historically, Loki's durable enough to not be one shot KO'd by Wrecker. Prove otherwise.

Spectre being dragged to the Astral Plane against his will isn't PIS for Spectre? Look at J'onn's average and Spectre's and tell me it isn't with a straight face.

"Misremembering". Ok.

Uh, I'm not the guy whose "misremembering" at best and brazen lie at worst just got exposed for everyone to see.

Again.

You are using Odin as benchmark for Loki. I'm using Spectre, Adam one, nearly omniotent Dr. Destiny, Worloggog Joker and such for J'onn. Odin is small potato compared to those guys. J'onn effortlessly punks Loki using high end feats.

Never said that. Thor has knocked out loki with just fists though.

Thor broke Loki's arm with a tap. That isn't a high feat for thor, it shows how weak Loki is. That's just it. You going on a rant won't change it.

Loki hiding from Odin isn't PIS? Look at Odin's average and Loki's and tell that to me with a straight face.

Yeah, misremembered.

Lulz.

Originally posted by curryman
Those are some great TP feats.
Loki has a few like that of his own, scanning the universe for this and that.

Do you have any combat-tp feats?

When did Loki scanned the whole universe? J'onn has scanned entire dimensions and timelines to locate a time-displaced Flash though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I just vaguely remembered BRB attacking Fenris and standing over him. I don't remember every Tho/BRB showings like true thorbags like you so forgive me.

Lulz. You didn't prove me wrong, you just posted a few scans and went "Do you really believe that bro" routine and then bailed out. Classic butthurt scenario.
Just attacking like "Myth busting bro", "Me am so witty and funny". Seriously?

"Vaguely" remembered? You claimed that Bill one shot KO'd Fenris and then asked whether or not it should be PIS because Thor couldn't. You then said, "well, Thor not KOing him isn't impressive because Bill killed him"...even though Bill blasted him and hit him like eight times. Using the whole "well, you're a fanboy for remembering the showing" is a sad attempt at trying to spin this around on me and others when you were the one to bring it up in the first place as "proof".

Thing is, this wouldn't be such a sad thing if this was an isolated incident in this thread, let alone as a whole, but it's not. Through out this entire thread, you've done nothing but "vaguely remember" feats, dismiss the ones you don't like, and use low end showings for Loki to put over J'onn while clinging onto J'onn punking Spectre as the sole reason why he'd win this. Your posts speak for themselves and even non "Thorbags" have pointed it out. But, no, clearly, you're just a victim here.

I didn't prove you wrong? So, I didn't prove that the Thor Corps feat was indeed Multiversal and Thor was indeed 616 and the overwhelming majority of people, "Thorbags" and non-affiliated posters as well, didn't agree with me and feel that you were "vaguely remembering" the feat?

Kinda arrogant on your part.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When did Loki scanned the whole universe? J'onn has scanned entire dimensions and timelines to locate a time-displaced Flash though.

When he located Super-Skrull and manipulated him.

That is very impressive, and I don't doubt that J'onnz wins in the universe-scanning department.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
"Vaguely" remembered? You claimed that Bill one shot KO'd Fenris and then asked whether or not it should be PIS because Thor couldn't. You then said, "well, Thor not KOing him isn't impressive because Bill killed him"...even though Bill blasted him and hit him like eight times. Using the whole "well, you're a fanboy for remembering the showing" is a sad attempt at trying to spin this around on me and others when you were the one to bring it up in the first place as "proof".

Thing is, this wouldn't be such a sad thing if this was an isolated incident in this thread, let alone as a whole, but it's not. Through out this entire thread, you've done nothing but "vaguely remember" feats, dismiss the ones you don't like, and use low end showings for Loki to put over J'onn while clinging onto J'onn punking Spectre as the sole reason why he'd win this. Your posts speak for themselves and even non "Thorbags" have pointed it out. But, no, clearly, you're just a victim here.

I didn't prove you wrong? So, I didn't prove that the Thor Corps feat was indeed Multiversal and Thor was indeed 616 and the overwhelming majority of people, "Thorbags" and non-affiliated posters as well, didn't agree with me and feel that you were "vaguely remembering" the feat?

Kinda arrogant on your part.
Yeah vaguely remembered. I remembered this scene but not the following.

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/brb_fenris1.jpg http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/brb_fenris2.jpg


Blah, blah, blah. Anything else? Why not post another "MYTH BUSTING" post alongside this. Its not like you haven't misremembered things before, have you?

You did nothing to prove that was multiversal but post some random statements while I proved it was a single universe by the eternity scan. Then you went your usual "Seriously bro" routine.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are using Odin as benchmark for Loki. I'm using Spectre, Adam one, nearly omniotent Dr. Destiny, Worloggog Joker and such for J'onn. Odin is small potato compared to those guys. J'onn effortlessly punks Loki using high end feats.

Never said that. Thor has knocked out loki with just fists though.

Thor broke Loki's arm with a tap. That isn't a high feat for thor, it shows how weak Loki is. That's just it. You going on a rant won't change it.

Loki hiding from Odin isn't PIS? Look at Odin's average and Loki's and tell that to me with a straight face.

Yeah, misremembered.

Lulz.

Smh. Hypocrisy much?

Yeah, you did. And?

WTF? Thor's hit Loki with Mjolnir and thrown it far harder than he did there multiple times across the decades and it hasn't broken his arm or bones in general. How in the hell you think that single panel overrides dozens upon dozens of instances where Loki has endured far more punishment than a tap from Mjolnir (which clearly wasn't anything close to its normal showings) is trolling or you just not knowing anything substantial about the character Loki. Either way, you've already proved that your opinion on the character isn't really reliable given how "vague" your memory can be.

I have looked at his average. He's the God of Lies/Mischief. He's routinely hidden his plans and schemes from Odin, even when Odin was keeping an eye on him. How can you debate against Loki when you're not even aware about his fundamental characteristics and abilities?

Lol.

"Lulz" doesn't change the fact that you've been proven wrong multiple times again.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You are using Odin as benchmark for Loki. I'm using Spectre, Adam one, nearly omniotent Dr. Destiny, Worloggog Joker and such for J'onn. Odin is small potato compared to those guys. J'onn effortlessly punks Loki using high end feats.

Never said that. Thor has knocked out loki with just fists though.

Thor broke Loki's arm with a tap. That isn't a high feat for thor, it shows how weak Loki is. That's just it. You going on a rant won't change it.

Loki hiding from Odin isn't PIS? Look at Odin's average and Loki's and tell that to me with a straight face.

Yeah, misremembered.

Lulz.

Spectre isn't MM's only high end TP feat. Don't forget Mageddon as well.

Originally posted by curryman
When he located Super-Skrull and manipulated him.

That is very impressive, and I don't doubt that J'onnz wins in the universe-scanning department.
Scans?

J'onn punks loki in telepathy. I'm just baffled why Thorbags think hiding from odin makes Loki a telepath of J'onn's caliber.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah vaguely remembered. I remembered this scene but not the following.

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/brb_fenris1.jpg http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/brb_fenris2.jpg


Blah, blah, blah. Anything else? Why not post another "MYTH BUSTING" post alongside this. Its not like you haven't misremembered things before, have you?

You did nothing to prove that was multiversal but post some random statements while I proved it was a single universe by the eternity scan. Then you went your usual "Seriously bro" routine.

Okay. Seems like you should probably research these characters then instead of continuously making bold claims that aren't supported by feats or comics in general, huh?

Of course I've been wrong and remembered things. I'm not arrogant enough to keep on trolling and spouting more misinformation in spite of the evidence against it and then have the audacity to claim I'm being attacked by people who keep proving me wrong.

Yeah, no, I clearly proved it was multiversal and my evidence supporting it to be so vastly outnumbered and outweighed your claim to the usual. And pretty much everyone agreed with it, including people who have no real stake in Thor related feats or those who would count as "Thorbags".

Originally posted by abhilegend
Scans?

J'onn punks loki in telepathy. I'm just baffled why Thorbags think hiding from odin makes Loki a telepath of J'onn's caliber.

Because he scans the universe?

How about actual combat.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Smh. Hypocrisy much?

Yeah, you did. And?

WTF? Thor's hit Loki with Mjolnir and thrown it far harder than he did there multiple times across the decades and it hasn't broken his arm or bones in general. How in the hell you think that single panel overrides dozens upon dozens of instances where Loki has endured far more punishment than a tap from Mjolnir (which clearly wasn't anything close to its normal showings) is trolling or you just not knowing anything substantial about the character Loki. Either way, you've already proved that your opinion on the character isn't really reliable given how "vague" your memory can be.

I have looked at his average. He's the God of Lies/Mischief. He's routinely hidden his plans and schemes from Odin, even when Odin was keeping an eye on him. How can you debate against Loki when you're not even aware about his fundamental characteristics and abilities?

Lol.

"Lulz" doesn't change the fact that you've been proven wrong multiple times again.
Tell that to yourself. High end telepathy feats from Loki but not from J'onn.

Never did.

Yeah, no. Go on at another rant. Wouldn't change a single damn thing. I'm sorry to break this to you but your view on Loki is already biased to begin with. This doesn't makes anything better since you are discarding anything that doesn't suit your precious loki as PIS.

Odin has punked Loki several times in direct combat. Who cares what he can hide when Odin is not paying much attention on him.

It does.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Abhi, stop baiting people.

This is the last time.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Does Spectre even have TP defense? Serious question.

Because Batman and ****ing Kyle Gaynor have resisted mental fudgepackery better than him.

The Spectre definitely has a few high end feats that one would expect from a higher end being.

In the issue Abhil's talking about, John effortlessly breaks into Hal's mind and transports them all into Joker's head. I guess we could us Abhil's own logic against him and deconstruct the feat, break it down, try and make it unimpressive.

For example, Batman forces Spectre out of his head in that issue and John catches them by surprise. In both instance Hal doesn't actually fight back in anyway.

But I'm not one to combat lowballing with lowballing. Anyways not sure what it ultimately proves, I don't think anyone doubted that if John caught Loki unaware he could force him to the mental plane. I wonder if Loki's chaotic nature would unbalance John like Joker's.

For those curious, this happens in JLA #35, read it for yourselves if you got the time.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Okay. Seems like you should probably research these characters then instead of continuously making bold claims that aren't supported by feats or comics in general, huh?

Of course I've been wrong and remembered things. I'm not arrogant enough to keep on trolling and spouting more misinformation in spite of the evidence against it and then have the audacity to claim I'm being attacked by people who keep proving me wrong.

Yeah, no, I clearly proved it was multiversal and my evidence supporting it to be so vastly outnumbered and outweighed your claim to the usual. And pretty much everyone agreed with it, including people who have no real stake in Thor related feats or those who would count as "Thorbags".
I'm not as much interested in Loki or Thor and certainly don't like to research everytime I argue about a character. Forgive me, oh ideal debater.

You only proved me wrong about things I misremembered. That's not much to brag about jake.

You certainly didn't. I can post the quote, you know. Appealing to majority doesn't changes a single damn thing.

Originally posted by -Pr-
This is the last time.
Ok. You're bullying me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Tell that to yourself. High end telepathy feats from Loki but not from J'onn.

Never did.

Yeah, no. Go on at another rant. Wouldn't change a single damn thing. I'm sorry to break this to you but your view on Loki is already biased to begin with. This doesn't makes anything better since you are discarding anything that doesn't suit your precious loki as PIS.

Odin has punked Loki several times in direct combat. Who cares what he can hide when Odin is not paying much attention on him.

It does.

Loki hiding from Odin and Mephisto in their realms where they're basically all powerful =/= high end feats. It's an established part of his power set and is consistent and conforms with decades worth of canonical material.

Whatever, dude.

If Loki's so weak, prove that instance where Thor easily shattered his arm with a tap from Mjolnir is consistent with his overall history. Hell, I'll even do a Battlezone or you can attempt to Mythbust it. Non biased parties will be asked to weigh in and I'll bring in plenty of scans and issue numbers. Heck, get a mod ruling on it. Me discounting Wrecker one shot KOing Loki as PIS means I'm throwing out everything as PIS? There's so much more evidence supporting Loki is tougher on average than that showing it's unreal. And yet...you still think it's the norm for him? How is that not trolling? Don't get irritated because you got caught in a lie and your rep in this thread is already more questionable than it was before.

Odin would beat the shit out of J'onn, too. Never said Odin doesn't beat Loki in a fight. But you're kidding yourself if you think Loki's illusions and magic won't make it difficult for J'onn to find him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Scans?

J'onn punks loki in telepathy. I'm just baffled why Thorbags think hiding from odin makes Loki a telepath of J'onn's caliber.

while his body remains in Asgard, his astral form travels instantly to the Skrull galaxy where he passes a mental suggestion to the Super Skrull to return to Earth
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Loki%20Sorcery/LokiAstralForm03142.jpg
I think this is what is being referenced

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because a beating doen't denotes durability. Fenris didn't get KOED either. That's just a proof that Thor punches like a sissy.

They were determined to bring him in. Considering Orion was bloodlusted there, its a very big feat. It was him shapeshifting his hand into a replica of his brother.

Superman is just that strong.

uhuh

It does if your standing in the end there. Fenris can be pretty tough though, especially since he's truly immortal. Beta Ray Bill -temporarily- killed him (He came back and ate the Sun/Moon) but it took one hell of a beating to do so.

I haven't read the issue in a while, do you happen to have the before and after scans? Not to say I don't trust your interpretations, but honestly, I don't.

If anyone's getting beat up in that issue, it's Superman tbh.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It does if your standing in the end there. Fenris can be pretty tough though, especially since he's truly immortal. Beta Ray Bill -temporarily- killed him (He came back and ate the Sun/Moon) but it took one hell of a beating to do so.

I haven't read the issue in a while, do you happen to have the before and after scans? Not to say I don't trust your interpretations, but honestly, I don't.

If anyone's getting beat up in that issue, it's Superman tbh.

What is Fenris's best feat?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok. You're bullying me.


Oh, I haven't even started.

Yet.

Originally posted by Golgo13
What is Fenris's best feat?

In what? His best power feat would probably eating the Star of Asgard after evolving.

Immortality wise, I think the most recent issue of JiM highlighted his immortality the best.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Loki hiding from Odin and Mephisto in their realms where they're basically all powerful =/= high end feats. It's an established part of his power set and is consistent and conforms with decades worth of canonical material.

Whatever, dude.

If Loki's so weak, prove that instance where Thor easily shattered his arm with a tap from Mjolnir is consistent with his overall history. Hell, I'll even do a Battlezone or you can attempt to Mythbust it. Non biased parties will be asked to weigh in and I'll bring in plenty of scans and issue numbers. Heck, get a mod ruling on it. Me discounting Wrecker one shot KOing Loki as PIS means I'm throwing out everything as PIS? There's so much more evidence supporting Loki is tougher on average than that showing it's unreal. And yet...you still think it's the norm for him? How is that not trolling? Don't get irritated because you got caught in a lie and your rep in this thread is already more questionable than it was before.

Odin would beat the shit out of J'onn, too. Never said Odin doesn't beat Loki in a fight. But you're kidding yourself if you think Loki's illusions and magic won't make it difficult for J'onn to find him.
Pr stopped me. So agree to disagree. J'onn still beats the shit out of loki though.

uhuh

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In what? His best power feat would probably eating the Star of Asgard after evolving.

Immortality wise, I think the most recent issue of JiM highlighted his immortality the best.

Is he trans or high herald?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not as much interested in Loki or Thor and certainly don't like to research everytime I argue about a character. Forgive me, oh ideal debater.

You only proved me wrong about things I misremembered. That's not much to brag about jake.

You certainly didn't. I can post the quote, you know. Appealing to majority doesn't changes a single damn thing.

So, anyone who researches Loki or Thor and like the character is biased or a "Thorbag"? That'd be like saying you're biased because you like Superman and you can't be trusted to be objective in a Superman thread.

Things you misremembered, yet pawned off as truth. And even when confronted with the facts, you still choose to stick to lowballing and trolling the hell out of the thread.

I didn't "appeal" to the majority. I used on panel scans to prove you were completely wrong in that thread. Seriously, stop trying to act like you're the victim here when you're antagonizing and trolling.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It does if your standing in the end there. Fenris can be pretty tough though, especially since he's truly immortal. Beta Ray Bill -temporarily- killed him (He came back and ate the Sun/Moon) but it took one hell of a beating to do so.

I haven't read the issue in a while, do you happen to have the before and after scans? Not to say I don't trust your interpretations, but honestly, I don't.

If anyone's getting beat up in that issue, it's Superman tbh.
Whatever dude.

No, I don't have the issue atm.

No he wasn't.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh, I haven't even started.

Yet.

Bada and Delph would hear about this.

innuendur

lol, those chumps?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Is he trans or high herald?

During Ragnarok probably unstoppable as he was originally suppose to kill Odin before eating the Sun IIRC. Funnily enough, I remember Captain America punking the shit out of him right after Thor beat him up. Big Wolf Fenris (Like the version that ate the Sun) seems to be more formidable.

Regularly, probably a pretty tough fight for a High Herald. He fluctuates so much that it's hard to even tell what version he'll be as writer's are prone to with mythological characters. I remember him being beastly and just shrugging off everything in the Warrior's Three mini but I don't have scans.

And the way he recently took a Mjolnir swing probably means High Herald durability.

Seems like he is inconsistent. I hope Marvel brings him back. He's a cool character and should be top tier villain for sure.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol, those chumps?
Yes.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Seems like he is inconsistent. I hope Marvel brings him back. He's a cool character and should be top tier villain for sure.

If anything, he might make an appearance in Aaron's Thor title seeing as how he's bringing back Malekith in September to coincide with the movie and has mentioned repeatedly he's a fan of Mangog and will also bring him back.

I don't think MM would sense Loki's presence, but if he's looking for him he can find him, no problem.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

Bring it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Bring it.
You'll rue it Irish hooligan.

uhuh