Kellel Of the Dawn Vs Rune King Thor

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Golgo13
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/KL_zps0a00838a.jpg

vs

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/RKT_zps75250fc0.jpg

operator616
RKT in a stomp imo.

trinity superman's best feats were defeating his anti matter counterpart easily, defeating a partially cosmic egg amped dark trinity (who are planet level threats), and his best feat is holding his own against krona and eventually overpowering him with the help from cosmic batman and wonder woman and the world soul.
Defeating krona was PIS imo, it was entirely inconsistent with how they were depicted throughout the volume 3 of the series.

Golgo13
Originally posted by operator616
RKT in a stomp imo.

trinity superman's best feats were defeating his anti matter counterpart easily, defeating a partially cosmic egg amped dark trinity (who are planet level threats), and his best feat is holding his own against krona and eventually overpowering him with the help from cosmic batman and wonder woman and the world soul.
Defeating krona was PIS imo, it was entirely inconsistent with how they were depicted throughout the volume 3 of the series.

Wasn't that because he reached godhood just like the rest of Trinity?

curryman
Originally posted by operator616
RKT in a stomp imo.

trinity superman's best feats were defeating his anti matter counterpart easily, defeating a partially cosmic egg amped dark trinity (who are planet level threats), and his best feat is holding his own against krona and eventually overpowering him with the help from cosmic batman and wonder woman and the world soul.
Defeating krona was PIS imo, it was entirely inconsistent with how they were depicted throughout the volume 3 of the series.

Actually these feats are pretty incredible stick out tongue

operator616
all of the feats i listed were done by the cosmic superman, but throughout the volume he didn't show any abilities beyond planet level. while krona on the other hand, was bigger that an entire universe at on point, and released a galaxy busting attack just prior to his defeat at the hand of the cosmic trinity.

the feats are good but RKT has much better.

Golgo13
Didn't he help warp reality? And what was Krona's best feat?

operator616
on a small scale, with the help of cosmic batman and WW they were healing a continent.

krona's best feat is dwarfing a universe (or his past self who is an embodiment of the universe itself)

in this scan, krona meets his past self (who is the embodiment of an entire universe, aka cosmic egg)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/dccomics/trinity/40/Trinity-40-019.jpg

Golgo13
Originally posted by operator616
on a small scale, with the help of cosmic batman and WW they were healing a continent.

krona's best feat is dwarfing a universe (or his past self who is an embodiment of the universe itself)

in this scan, krona meets his past self (who is the embodiment of an entire universe, aka cosmic egg)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/previews/dccomics/trinity/40/Trinity-40-019.jpg

Thanks! Weren't there other previous sentient universes that Krona met? IIRC it happened near the beginning of Trinity.

operator616
yes there are, the past krona met them, 52 universal sentience(s) or universal embodiments few pages before this scan.

Golgo13
Originally posted by operator616
yes there are, the past krona met them, 52 universal sentience(s) or universal embodiments few pages before this scan.

What were they exactly though? I didn't get that part. Were they like MultiEternity?

operator616
ill post the scans, wait for the edit part.

EDIT:

alright, i'll post

first we have krona (past version) telling us the creation story, and telling how he is merged with the whole universe:

http://i.imgur.com/87VjAvL.jpg

however, he realizes that something is beyond him, the other universal embodiments like him:


http://i.imgur.com/IhlhewP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ACPBVJE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SXMilND.jpg

then he meets his present self (yellow krona) and it's quite clear that he dwarfs him:

http://i.imgur.com/eynD7II.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a8fABn7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YwCbabs.jpg

operator616
Just edited my post, see the scans.

Golgo13
Wow, so Kellel faced off against universal Krona? That's above anything Thor did, PIS or not.

operator616
they had two battles.

in the first one, kellek managed to hold his own against krona for a little while and batman came up with a plan to trap krona, but then krona escaped from the trap (with the help of morgaine le fey who was empowered by krona) and then the cosmic trinity (superman, batman and WW) with the help of the world soul managed to defeat him.

And the ridiculous part is that they didn't just face off against the universal krona (past krona) but the yellow version of him who, as you can see in the scan, oneshotted his past self (a universal embodiment), id say that's above universal for sure.

However, i consider this PIS at its highest, they didn't show power even remotely close to put them on par with krona.

Golgo13
Originally posted by operator616
they had two battles.

in the first one, kellek managed to hold his own against krona for a little while and batman came up with a plan to trap krona, but then krona escaped from the trap (with the help of morgaine le fey who was empowered by krona) and then the cosmic trinity (superman, batman and WW) with the help of the world soul managed to defeat him.

And the ridiculous part is that they didn't just face off against the universal krona (past krona) but the yellow version of him who, as you can see in the scan, oneshotted his past self (a universal embodiment), id say that's above universal for sure.

However, i consider this PIS at its highest, they didn't show power even remotely close to put them on par with krona.

Well, just because they didn't show anything like that before doesn't mean it's PIS. Did Kellel struggle with anything below that? Like a weak villain?

operator616
no, that's actually a point to argue about, everything they did, they did it casually, they didn't seem to put effort in what they're doing until they faced krona.
However they took quite some time repairing a continent, if they were of krona's caliber, they would do it with a thought.

the Darkone
Originally posted by operator616
no, that's actually a point to argue about, everything they did, they did it casually, they didn't seem to put effort in what they're doing until they faced krona.
However they took quite some time repairing a continent, if they were of krona's caliber, they would do it with a thought.

I think what opertaot616 is saying that, Trinity Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman didn't show on a consistent level of power to battle Krona let alone defeating Krona who dismissed his older self Entropy with a gesture, something is wrong with that.

That would be like RKT defeating the Infinities and never showing the power output to even register a threat level on their radar. RKT should us he defeated a console of Celestial beings with ease, defeating Mangog with a gesture something Odin couldn't have done, defeating a sky father level being in Loki who absorbed all the power of Asgard and beat him like he wasn't even sh**, and put the fear of God in Surutr.

RKT proved his status as being above Odin 2X over, as where the Trinity didn't.

operator616
^ thumb up

Golgo13
Originally posted by operator616
no, that's actually a point to argue about, everything they did, they did it casually, they didn't seem to put effort in what they're doing until they faced krona.
However they took quite some time repairing a continent, if they were of krona's caliber, they would do it with a thought.

Was it mentioned that their primary abilities were reality warping? How did Kellel fight Krona? With pure power like strength? If so, I can see Kellel taking it to RKT with similar results.

operator616
their weren't any specifics to their abilities, they recieved partial powers from the cosmic egg.
Galan007 posted a few scans in krona vs impreiex thread, though he left out a few scans in their battle against krona.
if you want i'll post their second fight, but i can't do it today, i'll probably post it tomorrow.

Golgo13
Please do. I dont think thor has any feats that put him above the krona one.

operator616
here are the scans:

Trinity #50:

just to point out that directly prior to the battle, krona casually unleashed a galaxy busting attack (but since it was in the realm of the world soul which isn't physical it didn't destory anything)

http://i.imgur.com/dBtx1Zn.jpg

then begins the battle, krona vs the trinity + worldsoul:

http://i.imgur.com/hIgHgWW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cOTFj7o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZUJzXzg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2Y5LSer.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OLrDS5u.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yg1fI60.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xn0nkO4.jpg

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