Beast vs Classic Kingpin

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Sin I AM
First to k.o

pym-ftw
Kp imho

Glorificus
Beast.

Especially if he goes for the eyes.

Wei Phoenix
Kangpin

SamZED
Current Kigpin is back to his classic level. That is if there was ever a difference.

Golgo13
Beast.

complexbrother
there was never any diffrence to his strength. he is a really strong human. not superhuman. there is no way he should beat a superhumanly strong and agile and extensively combat trained Beast.

pym-ftw
If only Kp had feats of doing just that....

complexbrother
spiderman always held back or fear of killing a regular human. no way kingpin could havebeat him if he was fighting full out.

pym-ftw
I hear that a lot but, no offence, its bullsh!t Kp was depicted as stronger there is no real arguments for all the bearhugs and general overpowering...

KingD19
Wasn't Spidey a lot weaker back in the classic days?

753
beast has the powerset to win, but is such an incompetent fighter he might lose. his personality holds him back, as ST pointed out: he's all heart no gut, which is fine for the character, he shouldn't be wolverine, but makes him a crap fighter.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by pym-ftw


If only had feats of beat a strong, agile and extensively combat trained ...




He does.

Don't despair!


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Source: Amazing Spider-Man #60, Volume 1
Writer: Stan Lee
Penciller: John Romita, Sr. & Don Heck
Date: May 1968
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leonidas
Originally posted by pym-ftw
I hear that a lot but, no offence, its bullsh!t Kp was depicted as stronger there is no real arguments for all the bearhugs and general overpowering...

in the old days he was a nerd of the highest order. i think he actually just liked the bearhugs.....

iceman24567
Kingpin

Sin I AM
Originally posted by 753
beast has the powerset to win, but is such an incompetent fighter he might lose. his personality holds him back, as ST pointed out: he's all heart no gut, which is fine for the character, he shouldn't be wolverine, but makes him a crap fighter.


this...but if he goes feral like he did with danger it could be a problem

curryman
Beast is an exceptional fighter.

His style actually compliments his powers, as opposed to just being some generic martial art that just about every peak human under the sun uses.

Kingpin is outclassed in every single area.

pym-ftw
Kp is also an exceptional fighter, and easily the more skilled

753
Originally posted by curryman
Beast is an exceptional fighter.
no he isnt

JakeTheBank
Beast has the potential to be great, but said potential is untapped, likely because McCoy doesn't give in to his feral instincts. I don't think he's "bad", but he's not as skilled as Fisk.

Digi
Anyone saying KP has always been just around peak human is objectively wrong. It isn't just that he overpowered Spider-Man on several occasions (holding back is one thing, getting your sh*t rocked in strength is quite another), but he had numerous other feats that don't involve such subjectivity. Among other things, he snapped steel beams with his bare hands, and toppled a structure that was easily multiple tons in weight. Classic was written as at least Class 10.

He's not there now, and there was no stated depowering. It just happened due to writer portrayal. Welcome to comics.

Anyway, Classic KP destroys Beast.

Branlor Swift
Didn't "current" still take a giant asswhooping from a severely pissed off pre-Meph Spider-Man?

Because if I'm not mistaken that's the basis for a depowerment, when in actuality that's a pretty solid feat for him standing up to that shit.

JakeTheBank
Yeah, that was when Parker's ID was public and he was in the black suit, iirc.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Yeah, that was when Parker's ID was public and he was in the black suit, iirc. thumb up

Where he went to the jail and embarrassed him. Really, there's not many under-100 characters capable of taking that much punishment from a pissed off Spider-Man at the level he was at there.

Mind you, I'm not too keen on Kingpin's history, but I hope this isn't why he's depowered.

CosmicComet
Classic Kingpin could **** Hank and there's nothing he could do about it.

Though that would be extremely disturbing imagery.

753
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Beast has the potential to be great, but said potential is untapped, likely because McCoy doesn't give in to his feral instincts. I don't think he's "bad", but he's not as skilled as Fisk. thumb upall heart, no gut

SamZED
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
thumb up

Where he went to the jail and embarrassed him. Really, there's not many under-100 characters capable of taking that much punishment from a pissed off Spider-Man at the level he was at there.

Mind you, I'm not too keen on Kingpin's history, but I hope this isn't why he's depowered. QFT if thats where the idea of his depowerment came from then im not buying it either. The guy just took apart (literally) several ninjas with his bare hans, recently crushed a statue with his fingers and nearly ripped BC (a legitimate enhanced human) to pieces.

curryman
Originally posted by Digi
Anyone saying KP has always been just around peak human is objectively wrong. It isn't just that he overpowered Spider-Man on several occasions (holding back is one thing, getting your sh*t rocked in strength is quite another), but he had numerous other feats that don't involve such subjectivity. Among other things, he snapped steel beams with his bare hands, and toppled a structure that was easily multiple tons in weight. Classic was written as at least Class 10.

He's not there now, and there was no stated depowering. It just happened due to writer portrayal. Welcome to comics.

Anyway, Classic KP destroys Beast.

Class 10 is wonderful, no one in their right mind would claim that classic Kingpin is peak human (at least not by feats). Even from his Daredevil portrayal's alone , be it Bendis, Miller or Smith, he is around superhuman strength.

And he'd still get trashed by Beast.

There's about 40 years of solid and consistent portrayal in the X-Men and Avengers, where he is at the very least class 10. His agility is up there and the feats with his feet are go beyond class 10. There's also the enhanced senses and claws. One rake and Kingpin's got no eyes.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by curryman
Class 10 is wonderful, no one in their right mind would claim that classic Kingpin is peak human (at least not by feats). Even from his Daredevil portrayal's alone , be it Bendis, Miller or Smith, he is around superhuman strength.

And he'd still get trashed by Beast.

There's about 40 years of solid and consistent portrayal in the X-Men and Avengers, where he is at the very least class 10. His agility is up there and the feats with his feet are go beyond class 10. There's also the enhanced senses and claws. One rake and Kingpin's got no eyes.


who has hank beaten?

curryman
Originally posted by Sin I AM
who has hank beaten?
Who has Kingpin beaten?

Track record is hard when you're a part of a team.

I'm sure I can dig up a ton of scans of Beast getting in the last hit on a hundred guys throughout the ages, but there's precious few solo-encounters.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by curryman
Who has Kingpin beaten?




Spider-Man and Captain America come immediately to mind ...
(Cap was saved by his pet eagle, however)

The following, for instance, was Kingpin's 2nd skirmish with Spider-Man, a near pure hand-to-hand engagement:


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pym-ftw
Kp vs Red Skull was pretty telling for all the Peak human arguments

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