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Fight 1.
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Fight 2.
With 3 days prep for both..
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Pre-Crisis Darksied


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Dr.Doom
Loki
Magneto
Green Goblin
Juggernuat
Tiger Shark

Wasnt Pre Crisis Darkseid like a Galactus level being?

Originally posted by DTM
Wasnt Pre Crisis Darkseid like a Galactus level being?






No not that level, I don't believe so..
More closer that what Thanos is now..

Originally posted by DTM
Wasnt Pre Crisis Darkseid like a Galactus level being?

not even close.

Pre Crisis Darkseid stomps. He wasn't Galactus level, he was around Odin level which is enough to destroy this team. You should have left this at standard level Darkseid. Never use PC characters.

Originally posted by carver9
Pre Crisis Darkseid stomps. He wasn't Galactus level, he was around Odin level which is enough to destroy this team. You should have left this at standard level Darkseid. Never use PC characters.

he wasn't on odin's level either.

Originally posted by operator616
he wasn't on odin's level either.

You're right, he was beyond Odin.

Originally posted by operator616
he wasn't on odin's level either.




I was thinking the same thing...
This has a chance ti bear him..

Originally posted by SquallX
You're right, he was beyond Odin.

no he wasn't, and dont bring up gds since there was context behind that. any paricualar feats you'd like to mention that puts him on odin's level?

green goblin and tiger shark spontaneously burst into flames for just being totally out of their element

Pc ds was above sky father level

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Pc ds was above sky father level

he really wasn't, unless you can provide proof.

Originally posted by operator616
he really wasn't, unless you can provide proof. Was he not Supermans equal at the very least?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Was he not Supermans equal at the very least?

and you think PC superman is skyfather level?

and i dont think he ever even fought superman in pre crisis stories, unless someone can provide scans or issue references.

regardless, people are basing PC darkseid being at skyfather level only because of GDS in which people fail to mention the context.

Are you saying PC superman was skyfather level?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Are you saying PC superman was skyfather level?
If you consider some feats, yes

Considering the fact that he was able to nearly destroy the universe just by flying fast. Among a few other crazy feats. He vulnerability to magic and the fact that he doesn't have any "exotic" powers is the only reason I wont class him with Sky father beings who can do all kinds of stuff.

Also as far as DS PC is concerned, he is well in the area of Dkyfather beings. He beaten Superman and other beings who are partially there.

PC DS could be considered a skyfather, just not a top tier one.

Personally, the fact that he is able to beat down Superman, Supergirl, Monel, the Legion..etc, all who are PC, I'd consider him top of the Sky-father tier.

Unfortunately, people hear just notice the Jobbing DS who loses to Superman for obvious reason. Him losing to Superman in specific case doesn't mean he is weak; it goes the other way around. It just shows Superman strong. Yet, haters will hate on

Pc characters were inconsistent to say the least, Pc characters shouldn't be used not only because of their "Toon-Ness" but because they are very hard to gauge.

you are referring to DC comics presents #29 correct?

spectre stopped him since he was entering realms that mortals aren't permitted to see not because he was destroying the universe:

http://i.imgur.com/qseQGaI.jpg

anyways, like i said before, darkseid has never faced superman pre-crisis.

and just one more thing, why are people mentioning GDS? where did the context go?

Originally posted by operator616
you are referring to DC comics presents #29 correct?

spectre stopped him since he was entering realms that mortals aren't permitted to see not because he was destroying the universe:

http://i.imgur.com/qseQGaI.jpg

anyways, like i said before, darkseid has never faced superman pre-crisis.
Yes, but DS did fight Superman. I dont have much PC comics, in fact I don't have any more besides the last few years. take up too much space in PC. Any ways, there was one comic where DS fights Supergirl and Superman; beats them both. I hope galan or philo come and post them


Don't start with this. The TC clearly wants to use PC. If you are going to low ball a character because of a few inconsistencies please do so. Granted, the characters were as powerful as the story needed them to be. In this case, Superman had the power to destroy Universe, sneeze galaxies, jungle solar systems, moved galaxies..etc Despite what the inconsistencies, he had feats which put in him Skyfather level

Originally posted by Supermex
Who wins?

Originally posted by Supermex
Dr. Doom

destroy the universe and sneeze galaxies? where's this coming from?

Originally posted by operator616
destroy the universe and sneeze galaxies? where's this coming from?
You posted the scan yourself about destroying the universe

He sneezed a Solar System

Moved a galaxy (which makes no sense). Or at least he moved all the planets/

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

Hey Jake, you're a poopy-pants. uhuh

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You posted the scan yourself about destroying the universe

He sneezed a Solar System

Moved a galaxy (which makes no sense). Or at least he moved all the planets/

he wasn't destroying the universe, simply breaking universal barriers so he can reach into realms which no mortals were meant to see

yea thought so, it was a solar system not a galaxy, which hapenning in the beginning of action comics #273, and there might be context behind it:

http://i.imgur.com/613gHGj.jpg

note that before he sneezed away a solar system he did take mxy's magic dust, albeit nothing was mentioned about amping him but still it is inconsistent, and im not trying to undermine the character or anything just giving you the context

btw is this the fight you're talking about superman and supergirl vs darkseid from legion of superheroes v2 #294?

http://i.imgur.com/wgkCCZp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Z3kEGEK.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Dr7EXuF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XebyFWs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fFjeRz6.jpg

Originally posted by operator616
http://i.imgur.com/613gHGj.jpg

note that before he sneezed away a solar system he did take mxy's magic dust, albeit nothing was mentioned about amping him but still it is inconsistent, and im not trying to undermine the character or anything just giving you the context If anything, the dust should have weakened him-- pre-crisis Superman was horrendously weak to magic.

The magical energy contained in Grundy's punches, for example, nearly killed him after a few strikes:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018066/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018067/2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018068/3.jpg.html

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Hey Jake, you're a poopy-pants. uhuh

Doom makes some Pre-Crisis stairs.

biscuits

Darkseid.

Originally posted by DTM
Wasnt Pre Crisis Darkseid like a Galactus level being? Not even 1/7 of a weakened Galaxtus IMO.

Originally posted by Galan007
If anything, the dust should have weakened him-- pre-crisis Superman was horrendously weak to magic.

The magical energy contained in Grundy's punches, for example, nearly killed him after a few strikes:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018066/1.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018067/2.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16018068/3.jpg.html

though mxy's powers are not magic, countdown to final crisis #23 shows mxy's origins, and it is revealed that his powers are science and not magic, im sure you know that just posting it so that the others might see it:

http://i.imgur.com/1LvSEl7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/I56T7f5.jpg

do you know any pre crisis fights between superman and darkseid apart from GDS? because darkseid was amped there, so it doesn't really count.

meh, on the issue of pre-c darkseid, (if you believe there was such a thing--writers seem not to...) ds had some great feats and even pre-c ds had some poor ones though. his most famous stuff of course is the legendary great darkness saga. in that arc, he was amped, but alludes to the fact that he was REGAINING his power that he had lost over time. and it seems to be true that at one point in his history ds WAS more powerful than he is now (or even was back in the pre-c days). he has always had a history of absorbing power as well. according to the orion series, ds wiped out whole PANTHEONS of gods. ds has always been a bit of a puzzle in terms of level. one thing is for sure though--he's always been f'n cool. for those who've never checked out the GDS, this link gives lots of good stuff from and about it:

http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/440353.html

Originally posted by leonidas
meh, on the issue of pre-c darkseid, (if you believe there was such a thing--writers seem not to...) ds had some great feats and even pre-c ds had some poor ones though. his most famous stuff of course is the legendary great darkness saga. in that arc, he was amped, but alludes to the fact that he was REGAINING his power that he had lost over time. and it seems to be true that at one point in his history ds WAS more powerful than he is now (or even was back in the pre-c days). he has always had a history of absorbing power as well. according to the orion series, ds wiped out whole PANTHEONS of gods. ds has always been a bit of a puzzle in terms of level. one thing is for sure though--he's always been f'n cool. for those who've never checked out the GDS, this link gives lots of good stuff from and about it:

http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/440353.html


It's a shame most writers haven't been true to Kirby's original vision for the character.

Originally posted by operator616

do you know any pre crisis fights between superman and darkseid apart from GDS? because darkseid was amped there, so it doesn't really count.

i don't think they ever actually 'fought' per se. they confronted each other. i recall in the super powers series (i think...) ds swatted supes away like an insect twice in a row, but i don't think they ever threw down. unlike today, ds did not make many appearances back then, and the VAST majority of those appearances happened in the new gods series alone.

Originally posted by Omega Vision


It's a shame most writers haven't been true to Kirby's original vision for the character.

so true. i recall kirby saying that (after he helped create galactus) that darkseid was intended to be on galactus' level. but then others got a hold of ds and things changed, unfortunately....

Originally posted by leonidas
so true. i recall kirby saying that (after he helped create galactus) that darkseid was intended to be on galactus' level. but then others got a hold of ds and things changed, unfortunately....
I tend to think that "Gods" ought to be a whole tier or more above the likes of superheroes. Unless they're Gods who are also heroes, such as Thor. He's where he should be

Didn't DS beat down the Legion back in the day by himself?

Writers should have kept Darkseid as a JLA threat, a threat that their combined power couldn't even beat. DC ruined the character. Current Darkseid is a beast and they should think about writing him as he was during his precrisis era, with no one being capable of threatening him without plot. A single hero should not be enough to face him.

Originally posted by carver9
Writers should have kept Darkseid as a JLA threat, a threat that their combined power couldn't even beat. DC ruined the character. Current Darkseid is a beast and they should think about writing him as he was during his precrisis era, with no one being capable of threatening him without plot. A single hero should not be enough to face him. Didn't they do that in DC . You know the part where he fell and was dragging the entire DCU to hell

Darkseid was most definitely a skyfather.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid was most definitely a skyfather. Proof ?

there isn't any proof as far as im concerned, the only showing is in GDS, tomorrow im going to post proof that darkseid in GDS was in fact amped and can't be used as an evidence of PC darkseid's power.

Originally posted by operator616
there isn't any proof as far as im concerned, the only showing is in GDS, tomorrow im going to post proof that darkseid in GDS was in fact amped and can't be used as an evidence of PC darkseid's power. I want him to back his claims.

Originally posted by operator616
there isn't any proof as far as im concerned, the only showing is in GDS, tomorrow im going to post proof that darkseid in GDS was in fact amped and can't be used as an evidence of PC darkseid's power.
He wasn't amped. In fact he was weaker than usual.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't amped. In fact he was weaker than usual. Mordru would beg to differ.
He was vastly weaker than normal despite the amps showing how weak he gets in the future.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He wasn't amped. In fact he was weaker than usual.

let's look at the evidence now shall we?

1st amp: excalibur sword:

http://i.imgur.com/4rrgzu6.jpg

2nd amp: orb of orthanax

http://i.imgur.com/Or6ZaYF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xKwuJMk.jpg

3rd amp: mordru

http://i.imgur.com/ULrS9XA.jpg

the fight takes place off panel and after a couple of pages we see mordru drained of his power:

http://i.imgur.com/ok3ytaP.jpg

4th amp: time trapper

http://i.imgur.com/V7pWWZ0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sIvAev0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lYPWg4m.jpg

as you can see, there's no denying this

that's of course unless you really believe that a WEAKER darkseid was a MULTIVERSAL threat as evident in this scan:

http://i.imgur.com/3M5488c.jpg

we should refrain from using GDS as an actual showing for PC darkseid.

owned

Originally posted by operator616
let's look at the evidence now shall we?

1st amp: excalibur sword:

http://i.imgur.com/4rrgzu6.jpg

2nd amp: orb of orthanax

http://i.imgur.com/Or6ZaYF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xKwuJMk.jpg

3rd amp: mordru

http://i.imgur.com/ULrS9XA.jpg

the fight takes place off panel and after a couple of pages we see mordru drained of his power:

http://i.imgur.com/ok3ytaP.jpg

4th amp: time trapper

http://i.imgur.com/V7pWWZ0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sIvAev0.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lYPWg4m.jpg

as you can see, there's no denying this

that's of course unless you really believe that a WEAKER darkseid was a MULTIVERSAL threat as evident in this scan:

http://i.imgur.com/3M5488c.jpg

we should refrain from using GDS as an actual showing for PC darkseid.
http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/MoonKnight616/lsh-v2-294-37.jpg

Direct statement that his powers have waned over the millenia.

it did, in fact it was made clear in the beginning of the story arc, but it was back to normal when he absorbed the orb, as evident here:

http://i.imgur.com/xKwuJMk.jpg

"i am fulfilled"

and after this point, he additionally absorbed the powers of mordru and time trapper, that's a huge amp don't you think.

And you completely ignored my point of him being a multiversal threat (which according to you, in a weakened state), despite that it completely contradicts everything darkseid actually is.

Originally posted by operator616
it did, in fact it was made clear in the beginning of the story arc, but it was back to normal when he absorbed the orb, as evident here:

http://i.imgur.com/xKwuJMk.jpg

"i am fulfilled"

and after this point, he additionally absorbed the powers of mordru and time trapper, that's a huge amp don't you think.

And you completely ignored my point of him being a multiversal threat (which according to you, in a weakened state), despite that it completely contradicts everything darkseid actually is.
"I'm fullfilled, at least for now". Don't leave the whole words behind. Do you think you're the only guy who has read GDS?

He didn't realize it then as revealed in my scan.

Why is Darkseid being a multiversal being contradictory to begin with?

Originally posted by abhilegend
"I'm fullfilled, at least for now". Don't leave the whole words behind. Do you think you're the only guy who has read GDS?

He didn't realize it then as revealed in my scan.

Why is Darkseid being a multiversal being contradictory to begin with?

how is "at least for now" going to change anything here? and i posted the scan myself so i didn't leave this sentence out.

ok, when have i ever claimed that im the only guy who read GDS? please, point it out.

all your scan shows, which is from the very end of the last issue is that his power decreased prior to the arc itself, and this doesn't contradict the story at all you know. in fact it fits perfectly well, darkseid was weakened at first, that's why he sent his servants to pick up the 2 artifacts, after these 2 artifacts, darkseid was fulfilled, then he added mordru's power and then time trapper, do you know how powerful these guys are?

why a weakened darkseid is contradictory? because even normal darkseid hasn't been shown being a universal threat at all, much less multiversal even less a weakened darkseid being multiversal. Get it?

the evidence is as clear as it gets.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Not even 1/7 of a weakened Galaxtus IMO.

Considering how powerful PC Superman was, and Darkseid was a relative equal, possibly superior even, I would (as usual) highly disagree with you here.

Originally posted by operator616
how is "at least for now" going to change anything here? and i posted the scan myself so i didn't leave this sentence out.

ok, when have i ever claimed that im the only guy who read GDS? please, point it out.

all your scan shows, which is from the very end of the last issue is that his power decreased prior to the arc itself, and this doesn't contradict the story at all you know. in fact it fits perfectly well, darkseid was weakened at first, that's why he sent his servants to pick up the 2 artifacts, after these 2 artifacts, darkseid was fulfilled, then he added mordru's power and then time trapper, do you know how powerful these guys are?

why a weakened darkseid is contradictory? because even normal darkseid hasn't been shown being a universal threat at all, much less multiversal even less a weakened darkseid being multiversal. Get it?

the evidence is as clear as it gets.

Because it never said that he was at full power.

That was just sarcasm.

No, it showed that his powers have waned over millenia and he wasn't at full power. He didn't get amped and then weakened. Also that was a controller posing as TT.

You are putting too much emphasis on a clone's words like "Darkseid's destiny is blah, blah, blah". I can show you similar statements for post crisis darkseid too. What's that got to prove exactly?

Ever read Final Crisis?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it never said that he was at full power.

That was just sarcasm.

No, it showed that his powers have waned over millenia and he wasn't at full power. He didn't get amped and then weakened. Also that was a controller posing as TT.

You are putting too much emphasis on a clone's words like "Darkseid's destiny is blah, blah, blah". I can show you similar statements for post crisis darkseid too. What's that got to prove exactly?

Ever read Final Crisis?

so how do you define i am fulfilled? regardless, time trapper alone is more powerful than darkseid, you do know that right? and along with mordru? no matter how weak darkseid was, it's still a huge amp.

it wasn't a controller posing as Time trapper, time trapper was a controller until further retcons.

im not going to argue with that, if you're refusing to acknowledge on panel avidence then that's not my problem.

you do know we're talking about PC darkseid right? not post crisis?

setting that aside (just to clarify) it was darkseid's true form, read this part of the interview:

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163947.5;wap2

ALL PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES OF THE NEW GODS HAVE KIND OF BEEN PROJECTIONS INTO DC UNIVERSE...UNTIL NOW

which also fits well how the new gods were depicted in new gods v4 #10.

but seriously, if you're going to deny further evidence im not going to you reply anymore (note that no offence intended) because darkseid got at least 2 huge amps after being back to power, and even if he wasn't (despite the fact that he was, but just for the sake of it) time trapper and mordru are both well beyond darkseid, so absorbing their power alone, is an extremely well amped darkseid. THERE IS NO DENYING THAT.

Originally posted by operator616
so how do you define i am fulfilled? regardless, time trapper alone is more powerful than darkseid, you do know that right? and along with mordru? no matter how weak darkseid was, it's still a huge amp.

it wasn't a controller posing as Time trapper, time trapper was a controller until further retcons.

im not going to argue with that, if you're refusing to acknowledge on panel avidence then that's not my problem.

you do know we're talking about PC darkseid right? not post crisis?

setting that aside (just to clarify) it was darkseid's true form, read this part of the interview:

http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=163947.5;wap2

ALL PREVIOUS EXPERIENCES OF THE NEW GODS HAVE KIND OF BEEN PROJECTIONS INTO DC UNIVERSE...UNTIL NOW

which also fits well how the new gods were depicted in new gods v4 #10.

but seriously, if you're going to deny further evidence im not going to you reply anymore (note that no offence intended) because darkseid got at least 2 huge amps after being back to power, and even if he wasn't (despite the fact that he was, but just for the sake of it) time trapper and mordru are both well beyond darkseid, so absorbing their power alone, is an extremely well amped darkseid. THERE IS NO DENYING THAT.

He was temporarily satiated with power.

It was a controller as shown later in LOSH.

Except it isn't a proof unless you think post crisis darkseid is a multiversal being too since I've seen Granny Goodness and Kanto saying that too.

As shown on panel Time Trapper was stated to be Darkseid class in power. Its not an insult to trapper, darkseid was just that powerful.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9634/coverartsb8.jpg

No need to be snide about it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was temporarily satiated with power.

It was a controller as shown later in LOSH.

Except it isn't a proof unless you think post crisis darkseid is a multiversal being too since I've seen Granny Goodness and Kanto saying that too.

As shown on panel Time Trapper was stated to be Darkseid class in power. Its not an insult to trapper, darkseid was just that powerful.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9634/coverartsb8.jpg

No need to be snide about it.

yes you said it yourself, which means he was at normal levels at least, and taking mordru's and time trapper's powers amped him further, this proves my point

show me this retcon.

i didn't get your 3rd point, post crisis darkseid was only multiversal in his true form, not avatar form.

im not going to disregard your evidence completely but im going to ask you this, do you know any feats for darkseid that puts him on time trapper's level or is it just the bio? this one statement? because i can also show you low showings for darkseid if you'd like.

Either way, this still doesn't change the fact that darkseid was amped in GDS.

Originally posted by leonidas
in that arc, he was amped, but alludes to the fact that he was REGAINING his power that he had lost over time. and it seems to be true that at one point in his history ds WAS more powerful than he is now (or even was back in the pre-c days). he has always had a history of absorbing power as well. according to the orion series, ds wiped out whole PANTHEONS of gods.

http://asylums.insanejournal.com/scans_daily/440353.html

Originally posted by operator616
yes you said it yourself, which means he was at normal levels at least, and taking mordru's and time trapper's powers amped him further, this proves my point

show me this retcon.

i didn't get your 3rd point, post crisis darkseid was only multiversal in his true form, not avatar form.

im not going to disregard your evidence completely but im going to ask you this, do you know any feats for darkseid that puts him on time trapper's level or is it just the bio? this one statement? because i can also show you low showings for darkseid if you'd like.

Either way, this still doesn't change the fact that darkseid was amped in GDS.
He was temporarily or at least he thought so untill he found out that he was indeed weaker than usual even after absorbing all that power as shown in LOSH 294.

Let me check my comics.

He has been said that by granny goodness and Kanto.

Defeating controller time trapper isn't enough? I doubt you could show anything I haven't already seen.

He wasn't amped, he was weaker than his prime as stated by himself.

he said that over the millennium his power was warned, which is correct, since at the beginning he wasn't at full power. Also let's look at it from your perspective, you're saying that darkseid in the end was weaker right? this may actually make sense since throughout the whole story he did feats like mind controlling 3 billion daxamites, that would take power don't you think?

regarding your other points, im going to reply later, since i dont have the time to make a thorough argument

than you for your patience, i had the time to check my comics.

ok, so first of all, did you willingly post the bio knowing that the time trapper bio is POST CRISIS not pre crisis?

it's from Who's Who in the Legion of Super-Heroes Vol 1 #7. here's the 3 consicutive scans if you dont believe me

http://i.imgur.com/B5VAKJ2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/neHVpcN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/P73Yzx0.jpg

furthermore, another post crisis time trapper bio states that he is equal to darkseid, Who's Who: The Definitive Directory of the DC Universe Vol 1 #23:

http://i.imgur.com/fngSFf4.jpg

now SETTING ASIDE THAT THE BIOS ARE POST CRISIS the bio is horribly false seeing how the time trapper is superior to post crisis darkseid by a good margin



so again i ask you or anyone else for that matter what does pre crisis darkseid offer that puts him on skyfather level?

make no mistake though, if evidence is provided i'll gladly accept it, i have no problem at all accepting the evidence, i just don't see it.

Originally posted by operator616
it did, in fact it was made clear in the beginning of the story arc, but it was back to normal when he absorbed the orb, as evident here:

http://i.imgur.com/xKwuJMk.jpg

"i am fulfilled"

and after this point, he additionally absorbed the powers of mordru and time trapper, that's a huge amp don't you think.

And you completely ignored my point of him being a multiversal threat (which according to you, in a weakened state), despite that it completely contradicts everything darkseid actually is. Owned.

Doom takes his suit off and proceeds to beat DS to death.

Originally posted by Mindset
Doom takes his suit off and proceeds to beat DS to death. Doom would humiliate Darkseid. I agree.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid was most definitely a skyfather.

Easily.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Easily. Based on what ?

So Darksied was maybe even a tad undet Thanos even pre-crisis then?

Originally posted by operator616
than you for your patience, i had the time to check my comics.

ok, so first of all, did you willingly post the bio knowing that the time trapper bio is POST CRISIS not pre crisis?

it's from Who's Who in the Legion of Super-Heroes Vol 1 #7. here's the 3 consicutive scans if you dont believe me

http://i.imgur.com/B5VAKJ2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/neHVpcN.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/P73Yzx0.jpg

furthermore, another post crisis time trapper bio states that he is equal to darkseid, Who's Who: The Definitive Directory of the DC Universe Vol 1 #23:

http://i.imgur.com/fngSFf4.jpg

now SETTING ASIDE THAT THE BIOS ARE POST CRISIS the bio is horribly false seeing how the time trapper is superior to post crisis darkseid by a good margin



so again i ask you or anyone else for that matter what does pre crisis darkseid offer that puts him on skyfather level?

make no mistake though, if evidence is provided i'll gladly accept it, i have no problem at all accepting the evidence, i just don't see it.
You know that the Legion wasn't rebooted with COIE and GDS still happened in this continuity?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11227127/m3.jpg.html

Right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You know that the Legion wasn't rebooted with COIE and GDS still happened in this continuity?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11227127/m3.jpg.html

Right? Still an alternate reality and in the future ie hasn't happened yet. Lol.

So do mod rulings about the Legion just get ignored now? Or am I missing something?

Originally posted by -Pr-
So do mod rulings about the Legion just get ignored now? Or am I missing something?
What? I presented a proof that GDS happened in post-crisis continuity. I ignored no mod rulings AFAIK.

Actually, Abhi may be correct. In the last issue of LOSH, it was also stated that GDS was in continuity.

I admitted I may be missing something. I'll re-read the OP.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You know that the Legion wasn't rebooted with COIE and GDS still happened in this continuity?

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/11227127/m3.jpg.html

Right?

time trapper wasn't affected by the crisis.

as for darkseid he did, sure there are a few references but im not going to take a few statements over darkseid's consistent chronology.

so what this bio shows is that time trapper (be it post crisis or pre crisis) is equal to post crisis darkseid, in which case it's WRONG since post crisis darkseid (at least avatar form) isn't anywhere close to time trapper's level.

that's of course setting aside that you're going by 1 statement in a bio to gauge darkseid's power level.

Originally posted by operator616
time trapper wasn't affected by the crisis.

as for darkseid he did, sure there are a few references but im not going to take a few statements over darkseid's consistent chronology.

so what this bio shows is that time trapper (be it post crisis or pre crisis) is equal to post crisis darkseid, in which case it's WRONG since post crisis darkseid (at least avatar form) isn't anywhere close to time trapper's level.

that's of course setting aside that you're going by 1 statement in a bio to gauge darkseid's power level.
Neither was Darkseid.

There are several of those mentions of GDS in post crisis continuity like in LOSH annual 2 and most importantly in LO3W. There are too many of these instances to ignore. You can ignore them though. GDS Darkseid is a weakened pre-crisis darkseid.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Actually, Abhi may be correct. In the last issue of LOSH, it was also stated that GDS was in continuity. Still hasn't occurred yet.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Neither was Darkseid.

There are several of those mentions of GDS in post crisis continuity like in LOSH annual 2 and most importantly in LO3W. There are too many of these instances to ignore. You can ignore them though. GDS Darkseid is a weakened pre-crisis darkseid.

he was affected, otherwise why are you even arguing that Pre crisis darkseid is skyfather level? unless you believe post crisis is also skyfather level?

you completely IGNORED the 4 amps i posted, so im done arguing here.

but just to point out your flawed logic here........

so going by YOUR LOGIC a weakened GDS darkseid (who according to you is the same as post crisis) was able to mind control 3 billion PC superman level beings, so lets apply that shall we?

http://i.imgur.com/Rj6Hh3x.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/THFUtOO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MzlXPAx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/mbvmXbo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/06TvkEe.jpg

yet your same darkseid was taken down by a batkick and 3 post crisis superman punches, seems legit don't you think?

that's setting aside that you ignored all the amps that i posted and still argue that this was a weakened darkseid despite that even normal PC darkseid doesn't have any feats close to that. i mean what are the odds in your favor here?

Done arguing.

Originally posted by operator616
he was affected, otherwise why are you even arguing that Pre crisis darkseid is skyfather level? unless you believe post crisis is also skyfather level? Circular reasoning FTW. Darkseid shielded himself and fourth world from COIE just like Time-trapper did to himself and the pocket dimension earth.

I countered them by posting the scan where he himself stated that he was still weakened after all that power absorption.

Low showings happen to occur to everyone. Odin was once knocked out by earthquake and Loki in Odin's body was knocked out by masterson thor. So he is a different character now?

PC Darkseid doesn't have much appearance aside of GDS, so obviously he doesn't have showings at that level.

Good for you.

he hid it not shield it.

you countered it by posting an irrelevant scan which supports the story perfectly, it says that darkseid's power warned over the Millennium, which is true since at the beginning he was weakened i acknowledged that, but then he was restored back to power after the 2 artifacts and then got 2 additional amps. WHAT'S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? STOP DISREGARDING THE EVIDENCE, JUST STOP. If you're going to post another reply ignoring this then please don't respond

excpet that it wasn't a low showing, it happened because darkseid was weak, care to show me a WEAKENED DARKSEID doing feats like controlling 3 billion daxamites? if you don't then don't respond

he had appearances, particularly in the 1st 2 volumes of the new gods, trying reading them and see how does he compare to your 'weakened' GDS dakrseid.

Originally posted by operator616
he hid it not shield it.

you countered it by posting an irrelevant scan which supports the story perfectly, it says that darkseid's power warned over the Millennium, which is true since at the beginning he was weakened i acknowledged that, but then he was restored back to power after the 2 artifacts and then got 2 additional amps. WHAT'S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? STOP DISREGARDING THE EVIDENCE, JUST STOP. If you're going to post another reply ignoring this then please don't respond

excpet that it wasn't a low showing, it happened because darkseid was weak, care to show me a WEAKENED DARKSEID doing feats like controlling 3 billion daxamites? if you don't then don't respond

he had appearances, particularly in the 1st 2 volumes of the new gods, trying reading them and see how does he compare to your 'weakened' GDS dakrseid.
No need to shout.


That admittance occured when he had all those "supposed" amps. No need to think that his amps actually weakened him.

What a tactic? Saying stop to anybody who's disagreeing with you. I can ask you to stop as well.

You think Darkseid is so weak that batman can bloody him? Then superman should've splattered him with just a punch.

Of course he doesn't have anything similar. He never encountered daxamites before GDS.

im not shouting, im simply making it more clearer.

anyways, i presented my side of the argument.

from this point on, people can look at the evidence and decide for themselves.

Originally posted by operator616
he hid it not shield it.

you countered it by posting an irrelevant scan which supports the story perfectly, it says that darkseid's power warned over the Millennium, which is true since at the beginning he was weakened i acknowledged that, but then he was restored back to power after the 2 artifacts and then got 2 additional amps. WHAT'S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? STOP DISREGARDING THE EVIDENCE, JUST STOP. If you're going to post another reply ignoring this then please don't respond

excpet that it wasn't a low showing, it happened because darkseid was weak, care to show me a WEAKENED DARKSEID doing feats like controlling 3 billion daxamites? if you don't then don't respond

he had appearances, particularly in the 1st 2 volumes of the new gods, trying reading them and see how does he compare to your 'weakened' GDS dakrseid. Bingo.

you know what's the most hilarious thing about his argument? the fact that he said PC darkseid doesn't have much appearances apart from GDS, so what he was saying is that darkseid appeared less than 10 issues, not trying to tease him but it really tells you how knowledgeable he's on PC darkseid.

Originally posted by operator616
you know what's the most hilarious thing about his argument? the fact that he said PC darkseid doesn't have much appearances apart from GDS, so what he was saying is that darkseid appeared less than 10 issues, not trying to tease him but it really tells you how knowledgeable he's on PC darkseid.
Really? Where did I say that he only appeared in 10 issues? He appeared in less than 40 issues pre crisis other than GDS though.

Darkseid in his search for the Anti Life Entity, with help battle the Entity Life itself, it was claimed the Anti Life had enough power to destroy the Multiverse.

Darseid was one of the beings once fused into the being called The One were able to break and enter the Source Wall.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Where did I say that he only appeared in 10 issues? He appeared in less than 40 issues pre crisis other than GDS though.

your own quote:

PC Darkseid doesn't have much appearance aside of GDS, so obviously he doesn't have showings at that level.

GDS is 5 issues so what you were saying is that apart from those 5 issues he didn't appear much, so at most you were saying that he appeared in 10 issues total.

unless of course your definition of 'not much apart from 5 issues' is 40 like now you claim it to be now (after you've searched it)

Originally posted by operator616
your own quote:

PC Darkseid doesn't have much appearance aside of GDS, so obviously he doesn't have showings at that level.

GDS is 5 issues so what you were saying is that apart from those 5 issues he didn't appear much, so at most you were saying that he appeared in 10 issues total.

unless of course your definition of 'not much apart from 5 issues' is 40 like now you claim it to be now (after you've searched it)
I said he doesn't have much appearances overall. Way to miss the point bro.

I already knew that.

of course you did that's why you see even a weakened darkseid can mind control 3 billion daxamites.

btw i dont know about you but your claim of 'not much appearances apart from 5 isssues doesn't exactly strike me as 40.

and again, that's of course he has more than 40.

Doom is perhaps the greatest "prepper" there is. Darkseid is beast, but You're giving Doom 3 days prep and backup. Team Doom wins the prep fight, but without Prep Darkseid wins.

Originally posted by operator616
you know what's the most hilarious thing about his argument? the fact that he said PC darkseid doesn't have much appearances apart from GDS, so what he was saying is that darkseid appeared less than 10 issues, not trying to tease him but it really tells you how knowledgeable he's on PC darkseid.