Doomsday vs Beta Ray Bill

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Brockalizer
Doomsday-Death of Superman version and Beta Ray Bill-God Hunter/Storm Breaker version, are attached together at the wrist with a eight foot long adamantium chain.

quanchi112
Bill wins.

xJLxKing
DD without BFR wins

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
DD without BFR wins Based on ?

xJLxKing
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ? His performance against Superman. What kind of question is that? OP specifically asked for DoS DS

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
His performance against Superman. What kind of question is that? OP specifically asked for DoS DS That Superman was weaker and was caught completely by surprise here. He also holds back far more than Bill.

cdtm
Strongest version of Bill vs second weakest version of DD? (Rex is probably weaker thanks to his psychological weakness..)

Practically spite against DD.

iscaremonkeys
how strong is ultimate Thor compared to Beta Ray?

quanchi112
Originally posted by cdtm
Strongest version of Bill vs second weakest version of DD? (Rex is probably weaker thanks to his psychological weakness..)

Practically spite against DD. Jlx disagrees.

cdtm
Never mind, Quanchi and I are in agreement, apparently. ¬¬

iscaremonkeys
Originally posted by cdtm
Did you read Stormbreaker?

Holds back more then Bill? Bill was a monster in that story. The moon/planet busting feats alone put him over DOS Supes, let alone what happened against Galactus, Stardust, and Asteroth. nah i dident since im not a big thor fan. How ever i think Beta Ray Bill should win this

quanchi112
Originally posted by cdtm
Did you read Stormbreaker?

Holds back more then Bill? Bill was a monster in that story. The moon/planet busting feats alone put him over DOS Supes, let alone what happened against Galactus, Stardust, and Asteroth. I know. You agree with me. Bill would completely dominate Doomsday.

cdtm
Originally posted by quanchi112
I know. You agree with me. Bill would completely dominate Doomsday.

smokin'

quanchi112
Originally posted by cdtm
smokin' When you agree with me you're good to go.

iscaremonkeys
I agree.....i think

xJLxKing
Originally posted by cdtm
Never mind, Quanchi and I are in agreement, apparently. ¬¬ This is why you will burn in hell big grin

quanchi112
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
I agree.....i think Do not hesitate to agree with me. Safe bet.

Brockalizer
Originally posted by cdtm
Strongest version of Bill vs second weakest version of DD? (Rex is probably weaker thanks to his psychological weakness..)

Practically spite against DD. In retrospect I wish I'd chosen Gog Wars Doomsday.

abhilegend
Doomsday beats the shit out of bill. Surfer was beating the shit out of him with punches.

laughing out loud

carver9
Bill wins 8 or 9/10.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Bill wins 8 or 9/10.
He wouldn't win a majority let lone that high a majority.

quanchi112
Originally posted by abhilegend
He wouldn't win a majority let lone that high a majority. Based on ?

quanchi112
Originally posted by abhilegend
Doomsday beats the shit out of bill. Surfer was beating the shit out of him with punches.

laughing out loud Surfer also would beat the crap out of Dd with the same tactics.

h1a8
Originally posted by quanchi112
Surfer also would beat the crap out of Dd with the same tactics.

Surfer wouldn't phase DD with punches. Just like MM didn't phase DD.
Surfer or Bill will get their ass handed to them if they melee with DD.

abhilegend
Who here thinks surfer can beat DOS Doomsday by punches? Except quan that is.

quanchi112
Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer wouldn't phase DD with punches. Just like MM didn't phase DD.
Surfer or Bill will get their ass handed to them if they melee with DD. Board to the back set that up. A much weaker Superman killed Doomsday in a melee fight.

quanchi112
Originally posted by abhilegend
Who here thinks surfer can beat DOS Doomsday by punches? Except quan that is. A much weaker Supermans punches did. Surfer with the same tactics crushes a vastly weaker Dos Doomsday or Dos Superman.

Brockalizer
Originally posted by h1a8
Surfer wouldn't phase DD with punches. Just like MM didn't phase DD.
Surfer or Bill will get their ass handed to them if they melee with DD. Bills melee range with Stormbreaker is better than Doomsdays. If he uses his lightning efficiently he can repeatedly smash Doomsday in the face with hammer strikes while Doomsday is left punching air or maybe grazing him with his claws at best.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Bills melee range with Stormbreaker is better than Doomsdays. If he uses his lightning efficiently he can repeatedly smash Doomsday in the face with hammer strikes while Doomsday is left punching air or maybe grazing him with his claws at best. I am seeing him get the Fenris treatment.

h1a8
Originally posted by quanchi112
Board to the back set that up. A much weaker Superman killed Doomsday in a melee fight. A much weaker Superman than what? Late post crisis Superman? That much weaker Superman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Surfer in strength and punching power.

Surfer had to amp just to contend with Thing for crying out loud.

quanchi112
Originally posted by h1a8
A much weaker Superman than what? Late post crisis Superman? That much weaker Superman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Surfer in strength and punching power.

Surfer had to amp just to contend with Thing for crying out loud. Prove it.

Surfer just used his powers.

laughing out loud

h1a8
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Bills melee range with Stormbreaker is better than Doomsdays. If he uses his lightning efficiently he can repeatedly smash Doomsday in the face with hammer strikes while Doomsday is left punching air or maybe grazing him with his claws at best.

DD is vastly faster and far more agressive than Bill. If Bill melees he might get comboed up something fierce. You know DD has bony protrusions that also cut and rip flesh as he punches.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by abhilegend
Who here thinks surfer can beat DOS Doomsday by punches? Except quan that is. i do, actually i think he turn dd INTO fruit punch

h1a8
Originally posted by quanchi112
Prove it.

Surfer just used his powers.

laughing out loud

Go to respect thread. Byrne's Superman has greater strength feats than Surfer.

But if Surfer has to amp just to fight Thing then what does that mean?

quanchi112
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i do, actually i think he turn dd INTO fruit punch thumb up

h1a8
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i do, actually i think he turn dd INTO fruit punch

Good joke!

psycho gundam
Originally posted by h1a8
This is with punches now, not matter manipulation. You still think SS can beat DD this way? not really, but surfer is so much more than that

quanchi112
Originally posted by h1a8
Go to respect thread. Byrne's Superman has greater strength feats than Surfer.

But if Surfer has to amp just to fight Thing then what does that mean? Post proof yourself. Respect threads lack context.

It does not matter as those are his powers.

h1a8
Originally posted by quanchi112
Post proof yourself. Respect threads lack context.

It does not matter as those are his powers.

You post prove. You are the silly one claiming that Surfer is physically stronger than DOS Superman. I provided evidence of Surfer having to amp just to fight Thing.

abhilegend
Originally posted by psycho gundam
i do, actually i think he turn dd INTO fruit punch
You obviously don't count.

quanchi112
Originally posted by h1a8
You post prove. You are the silly one claiming that Surfer is physically stronger than DOS Superman. I provided evidence of Surfer having to amp just to fight Thing. I said using the same tactics he'd demolish Dd. you said Superman is stronger so the burden is on you.

carver9
Originally posted by h1a8
You post prove. You are the silly one claiming that Surfer is physically stronger than DOS Superman. I provided evidence of Surfer having to amp just to fight Thing.

Lol...that's pre annihilation Surfer. Stop using Classic showings before Surfers upgrade.

quanchi112
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that's pre annihilation Surfer. Stop using Classic showings before Surfers upgrade. I like this new aggressive carver. I notice when pr takes time off you go all out.

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that's pre annihilation Surfer. Stop using Classic showings before Surfers upgrade.

That's speculation that Surfer was upgraded. There is strong evidence that he wasn't.

Even so then he isn't automatically physically stronger than DOS Superman just because you say so. His feats have to consistently superior.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that's pre annihilation Surfer. Stop using Classic showings before Surfers upgrade.
Surfer got no upgrade you silly billy. Just a mindset change.

quanchi112
Originally posted by h1a8
That's speculation that Surfer was upgraded. There is strong evidence that he wasn't.

Even so then he isn't automatically physically stronger than DOS Superman just because you say so. His feats have to consistently superior. What evidence is there he was not upgraded ?

psycho gundam
that's an upgrade for a guy who can almost do anything

"dude, why the shit am i not machingunning point singularities, mane?"

abhilegend
Originally posted by psycho gundam
that's an upgrade for a guy who can almost do anything

"dude, why the shit am i not machingunning point singularities, mane?"
Except beat that small god from small world.

vin

quanchi112
Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer got no upgrade you silly billy. Just a mindset change. Prove it.

carver9
Originally posted by quanchi112
I like this new aggressive carver. I notice when pr takes time off you go all out.

Jake and Rage debate style is cool, calm, and collective. Sometimes I have to step in and bring the pain...say things that they are cautious of saying. They are Whitney Houston and I'm their body guard.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except beat that small god from small world.

vin cause thor's strong?

quanchi112
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except beat that small god from small world.

vin This from the fan of the guy who creamed his pants when he wielded Thor's hammer.

quanchi112
Originally posted by carver9
Jake and Rage debate style is cool, calm, and collective. Sometimes I have to step in and bring the pain...say things that they are cautious of saying. They are Whitney Houston and I'm their body guard. They do need protection.

abhilegend
Originally posted by psycho gundam
cause thor's strong?
Cause thor caves his head in.

carver9
This'll end the convo on Surfers upgrade.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9894/newpower.jpg

quanchi112
Originally posted by abhilegend
Cause thor caves his head in. Surfer did not go down against an all out Thor. Superman never faced an all out Thor. Also unusable on forums.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by carver9
Jake and Rage debate style is cool, calm, and collective. Sometimes I have to step in and bring the pain...say things that they are cautious of saying. They are Whitney Houston and I'm their body guard.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They do need protection.

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/BestGif.gif

carver9
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/BestGif.gif


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... laughing out loud laughing

JakeTheBank
You can be one of my Superman robots, Carv.

abhilegend
Originally posted by carver9
This'll end the convo on Surfers upgrade.

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9894/newpower.jpg
On panel proof trumps a bio carter. Here is another bio from the same comic that says he wasn't upgraded but restored.
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/719/noupgrade3mb3.jpg



Surfer on panel says he doesn't need the power and Galactus says about restoring him.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8585/noupgrade2jr6.jpg

You know what was restored? Surfer's space-time powers since that was the only thing Galactus deprived surfer from, he didn't actually depower him.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/15764043_30.jpg

He wasn't upgraded at all.

Brockalizer
Originally posted by h1a8
DD is vastly faster and far more agressive than Bill. If Bill melees he might get comboed up something fierce. You know DD has bony protrusions that also cut and rip flesh as he punches. Any speed advantage Doomsday has is negated as soon as Bill flies any higher than twenty feet straight up. Without his feet planted on the ground Doomsday is not hitting Bill.

JakeTheBank
I am pretty sure that Doomsday can leap higher than twenty feet into the air.

That said, Bill does have a mobility/range advantage if he so chooses to exploit it.

h1a8
I agree and that what gives Bill a chance to win. But these fools are saying Surfer can beat DD in a melee with punches only.

JakeTheBank
lol wat

Surfer isn't out punching Doomsday lol

carver9
Originally posted by h1a8
I agree and that what gives Bill a chance to win. But these fools are saying Surfer can beat DD in a melee with punches only.

If Bill punch Doomsday one time with sufficient force, it should send him flying off, correct? Shouldn't that count as a bfr? Bill doesn't hold back, has planetary strength, and Mjlonir. A hit should end it, correct?

psycho gundam
Originally posted by h1a8
I agree and that what gives Bill a chance to win.

no, this is:

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psycho gundam
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abhilegend
It still didn't help him getting his shit pushed in by surfer in two punches, That's why space cheese is irrelevant.

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psycho gundam
cause surfer is interchangeable with doomsday....

the last part of those scans would be all that's required to put dd back into that long ass coma

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
It still didn't help him getting his shit pushed in by surfer, That's why space cheese is irrelevant.

Does Doomsday control a board that can go light speed with the ability to sneak attack someone in the back on the head?

h1a8
Originally posted by psycho gundam
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None of that stuff proves anything. DD doesn't have blasts. Characters aren't allowed to leave battlefield. So Bill can't fly lightyears speeding up to destroy planets. He must fight within the battlefield distance. DD is faster and Bill won't get good chances to unleash fully. He has to be more defensive or go down fast.

The only thing relevant is Bill throwing his hammer and it coming back to hit DD. But that was circumstancial (wasn't initially intended that way).
But DD is fast as hell and I'm pretty sure DD won't be in the same position when it comes back.

abhilegend
Originally posted by psycho gundam
cause surfer is interchangeable with doomsday....

the last part of those scans would be all that's required to put dd back into that long ass coma
Yeah, doomsday is a lot stronger than surfer.

Space cheese is irrelevant.Originally posted by carver9
Does Doomsday control a board that can go light speed with the ability to sneak attack someone in the back on the head?
That didn't put bill's ass into fetal position, surfer's feeble punches did.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by h1a8
None of that stuff proves anything. DD doesn't have blasts. Characters aren't allowed to leave battlefield. So Bill can't fly lightyears speeding up to destroy planets. He must fight within the battlefield distance. DD is faster and Bill won't get good chances to unleash fully. He has to be more defensive or go down fast.

The only thing relevant is Bill throwing his hammer and it coming back to hit DD. But that was circumstancial (wasn't initially intended that way).
But DD is fast as hell and I'm pretty sure DD won't be in the same position when it comes back. 'heat seeking" hammer toss plus moon/planet shattering blows to the chest? get out of here

brb is someone who can take it to enraged thor and in some cases beat him down Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, doomsday is a lot stronger than surfer.

Space cheese is irrelevant. prior to your psychosis you wouldn't dismiss that.

abhilegend
Originally posted by psycho gundam
'heat seeking" hammer toss plus moon/planet shattering blows to the chest? get out of here

brb is someone who can take it to enraged thor and in some cases beat him down prior to your psychosis you wouldn't dismiss that.
Smart Drax oneshotted two planets and destroyed a star in two comics. He was also beaten by captain mar-vell in h2h in the same issue and declared that she-hulk was a lot stronger than him. Relative feats matter, not destroying inanimate celestial objects. I've always dismissed space cheese in a fight.

psycho gundam
so that eliminates all "space cheese"? carver level lowballing

brb has that silver surfer defeat and what else.....tyrant? his record is pretty phucking solid so you can't dismiss it so easily without looking like a clown. he's thor minus the "i've been living amongst humanity for so long" thing holding him back

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've always dismissed space cheese in a fight. space cheese is your bread and butter these days, actually you use space cheese on your bread

carver9
Originally posted by carver9
If Bill punch Doomsday one time with sufficient force, it should send him flying off, correct? Shouldn't that count as a bfr? Bill doesn't hold back, has planetary strength, and Mjlonir. A hit should end it, correct?

H1, this post is waiting for you.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by psycho gundam
so that eliminates all "space cheese"? carver level lowballing

brb has that silver surfer defeat and what else.....tyrant? his record is pretty phucking solid so you can't dismiss it so easily without looking like a clown. he's thor minus the "i've been living amongst humanity for so long" thing holding him back

space cheese is your bread and butter these days, actually you use space cheese on your bread

laughing out loud

psycho gundam
can't believe carver is an adult, not to mention a lot older than me

abhilegend
Originally posted by psycho gundam
so that eliminates all "space cheese"? carver level lowballing

brb has that silver surfer defeat and what else.....tyrant? his record is pretty phucking solid so you can't dismiss it so easily without looking like a clown. he's thor minus the "i've been living amongst humanity for so long" thing holding him back

space cheese is your bread and butter these days, actually you use space cheese on your bread
In determining fights? Absolutely unless there is a direct comparison between characters.

He was also oneshotted by Thor IIRC when he fought alongside warriors three.

I could also post him, hercules, she hulk and vision straining with a big stone, but that's not how fights go down.

Getting beaten by surfer via physical means is phucking low, if it was with blasts nobody would've lashed an eyelid. He doesn't have that many showings to begin with.

Doomsday is above thor, superman was hurting his hands punching him. That's above Thor/BRB's pay-grade.

ODG
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Doomsday-Death of Superman version and Beta Ray Bill-God Hunter/Storm Breaker version, are attached together at the wrist with a eight foot long adamantium chain. This has to have been done before. And I'm almost positive there was an adamantium chain as well.

If only the search function worked.

BRB defeats DOS Superman. If this is Godhunter version who lets loose his powercouplers, he curbstomps him.

psycho gundam
surfer's board to the back of the neck trick has never failed him in a fight, from the 1st time he used it in the 60's till the most recent

xJLxKing
Originally posted by psycho gundam
can't believe carver is an adult, not to mention a lot older than me sad

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by abhilegend
Doomsday is above thor, superman was hurting his hands punching him. That's above Thor/BRB's pay-grade.

Why do you insist on bringing up Superman hurting his hands punching Doomsday like that's the mother of all feats? Nine out of ten times, Thor and Bill are going to be using their nigh indestructible hammers to bash Doomsday with, not their own fists, so it means little, if anything.

It also conveniently happens to gloss over all the other beings "above Thor/Bill's paygrade" that either character have put a serious hurting onto.

carver9
Originally posted by psycho gundam
can't believe carver is an adult, not to mention a lot older than me

Don't know why not?

psycho gundam
lol wut?

carver9
Originally posted by psycho gundam
lol wut?

Our mature level is completely different. I'm above you. I'm what you will be 20 yrs from now.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by psycho gundam
lol wut?

carver9
Originally posted by JakeTheBank



laughing out loud laughing out loud don't hate.

Brockalizer
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I am pretty sure that Doomsday can leap higher than twenty feet into the air.

That said, Bill does have a mobility/range advantage if he so chooses to exploit it. They are both tethered together. If Bill flies straight up Doomsday is left dangling in the air. He cant jump if there is only air beneath his feet.

JakeTheBank
Ah, I didn't see the stips.

Brockalizer
Originally posted by carver9
If Bill punch Doomsday one time with sufficient force, it should send him flying off, correct? Shouldn't that count as a bfr? Bill doesn't hold back, has planetary strength, and Mjlonir. A hit should end it, correct? Close, but not quite. With the tether on their wrists Doomsday woud be knocked back less than 10 feet. Not enough to count as bfr IMO. But a combo of hammer strikes, hammer throws, and lightning repeated enough times? Doomsday would eventually fall.

carver9
Weird battle.

Brockalizer
If Doomsday can yank on the chain hard enought to rip Bill's arm off, he might have a chance, but it's a long shot. Doomsday is strong, but not THAT strong.

quanchi112
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
laughing out loud I agree. He uses space cheese when it benefits him but completely dismissed him when it does not.

quanchi112
Originally posted by abhilegend
In determining fights? Absolutely unless there is a direct comparison between characters.

He was also oneshotted by Thor IIRC when he fought alongside warriors three.

I could also post him, hercules, she hulk and vision straining with a big stone, but that's not how fights go down.

Getting beaten by surfer via physical means is phucking low, if it was with blasts nobody would've lashed an eyelid. He doesn't have that many showings to begin with.

Doomsday is above thor, superman was hurting his hands punching him. That's above Thor/BRB's pay-grade. Prove its above their pay grade when Thor takes on Kurse level foes on the reg.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Brockalizer
If Doomsday can yank on the chain hard enought to rip Bill's arm off, he might have a chance, but it's a long shot. Doomsday is strong, but not THAT strong. We'd also need an example for this to be a viable tactic on top of what you said.

carver9
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Close, but not quite. With the tether on their wrists Doomsday woud be knocked back less than 10 feet. Not enough to count as bfr IMO. But a combo of hammer strikes, hammer throws, and lightning repeated enough times? Doomsday would eventually fall.

I was being sarcastic. Using the H1 style of debating.

quanchi112
Originally posted by carver9
I was being sarcastic. Using the H1 style of debating. You are learning, padawan.

xJLxKing
Originally posted by carver9
I was being sarcastic. Using the H1 style of debating. Did you wet your pants

quanchi112
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Did you wet your pants This isn't necessary.

Brockalizer
Originally posted by quanchi112
We'd also need an example for this to be a viable tactic on top of what you said. As far as I know neither of these two have been involved in a battle like this so it's hard to provide a specific example. Athough Doomsday beating someone to death with their own arm sounds perfectly in character for Doomsday. The only real question is whether or not he is strong enough to pull it off and I don't believe that he is. Bill withstood blackhole bisection, I have seen nothing to suggest that Doomsday is stronger than two blackholes.

quanchi112
Originally posted by Brockalizer
As far as I know neither of these two have been involved in a battle like this so it's hard to provide a specific example. Athough Doomsday beating someone to death with their own arm sounds perfectly in character for Doomsday. The only real question is whether or not he is strong enough to pull it off and I don't believe that he is. Bill withstood blackhole bisection, I have seen nothing to suggest that Doomsday is stronger than two blackholes. I agree its in character but without an example of this kind of strength it is just fantasy. We agree.

h1a8
Originally posted by carver9
H1, this post is waiting for you.

Bill doesn't have planetary strength. Not even close. Yes he will hit DD away. But DD will get back to the battlefield in time since he is very fast.

h1a8
Originally posted by Brockalizer
As far as I know neither of these two have been involved in a battle like this so it's hard to provide a specific example. Athough Doomsday beating someone to death with their own arm sounds perfectly in character for Doomsday. The only real question is whether or not he is strong enough to pull it off and I don't believe that he is. Bill withstood blackhole bisection, I have seen nothing to suggest that Doomsday is stronger than two blackholes.

Bill didn't survive a blackhole. He never even entered the event horizon.

psycho gundam
the only problem with brb's feats is h1 ignoring them.

stop feeding this troll

iscaremonkeys
sooooooooooo whos trolling?

carver9
Originally posted by h1a8
Bill doesn't have planetary strength. Not even close. Yes he will hit DD away. But DD will get back to the battlefield in time since he is very fast.

If Bill hits him into another state, Doomsday will be there within 10 seconds before he is counted out? SMDH.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by h1a8
Bill doesn't have planetary strength. Not even close. Yes he will hit DD away. But DD will get back to the battlefield in time since he is very fast.
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iscaremonkeys
that wasent a planet. It looked like a metor or astroid.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
that wasent a planet. It looked like a metor or astroid.
Lol.. Meteor or asteroid? That was at the very least a planetoid/moon.

iscaremonkeys
ok maybe a moon But not a planet

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
ok maybe a moon But not a planet

Thanks for agreeing.

U do know that some moons are as big if not bigger than some planets

iscaremonkeys
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thanks for agreeing.

U do know that some moons are as big if not bigger than some planets yes but not that moon

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
yes but not that moon

Riiiight....

iscaremonkeys
i still thing bill wins so i dont know why we are semi-arguing

Brockalizer
Originally posted by h1a8
Bill doesn't have planetary strength. Not even close. Yes he will hit DD away. But DD will get back to the battlefield in time since he is very fast. Bill is certainly smart enough to realize tbe obvious advantage his flying ability would provide. How is Doomsday hitting Bill while he's dangling in the air by a chain? Climbing up the chain would just leave Doomsday open for hammer strikes to the face. That's assuming Doomsday can even move when Bill turns the chain into an economy size tazer.

Nibedicus
Looks like a planet big enough to have its own moon to me.

psycho gundam
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
that wasent a planet. It looked like a metor or astroid. looked like it was bigger than metropolis

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
i still thing bill wins so i dont know why we are semi-arguing
Well I think DD edges him especially with this chain stipulation.

quanchi112
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
sooooooooooo whos trolling? Take a guess.

quanchi112
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
i still thing bill wins so i dont know why we are semi-arguing Bill does win.

iscaremonkeys
your avatar reminds me of amon

quanchi112
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
your avatar reminds me of amon Of what ?

iscaremonkeys
Originally posted by quanchi112
Of what ? legend of korra
http://www.wired.com/geekdad/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Amon.png

quanchi112
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
legend of korra
http://www.wired.com/geekdad/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Amon.png Never seen it. This Khan Noonien Singh of the newer superior Star Trek. You won't find a bigger NuTrek fan.

iscaremonkeys
ive never seen Star Trek. Not the original or anything related to it....yea i know im weird

quanchi112
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
ive never seen Star Trek. Not the original or anything related to it....yea i know im weird Do not waste your time with the originals.

iscaremonkeys
dang. but i heard they were so good

quanchi112
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
dang. but i heard they were so good They are wrong. Newer reboot ones are far better.

iscaremonkeys
better than battlestar galactica??? lol

quanchi112
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
better than battlestar galactica??? lol Never saw that. I kinda know better.

iscaremonkeys
ouchhhh just insult me bro

quanchi112
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
ouchhhh just insult me bro Lucky for you that you agree Bill wins.

iscaremonkeys
lol. beta ray is just camel thor

quanchi112
Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
lol. beta ray is just camel thor The camel beats the rip off Hulk.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why do you insist on bringing up Superman hurting his hands punching Doomsday like that's the mother of all feats? Nine out of ten times, Thor and Bill are going to be using their nigh indestructible hammers to bash Doomsday with, not their own fists, so it means little, if anything.

It also conveniently happens to gloss over all the other beings "above Thor/Bill's paygrade" that either character have put a serious hurting onto.
Because it denotes how high his durability is, not saying that Thor/Bill would use their fists to punch him. They are not putting down Doomsday with hitting him from mjolnir/stormbreaker when superman hurts his hands punching him.

Compared to the beings superman has hurt? They would come far below in striking power.

quanchi112
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it denotes how high his durability is, not saying that Thor/Bill would use their fists to punch him. They are not putting down Doomsday with hitting him from mjolnir/stormbreaker when superman hurts his hands punching him.

Compared to the beings superman has hurt? They would come far below in striking power. Supermans hands aren't as durable as these hammers.

smile.

h1a8
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/th_brb_stardust6.jpghttp://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/th_brb_strike2.jpghttp://i673.photobucket.com/albums/vv95/galanphotos/th_brb_strike3.jpg

That's not showing planetary strength. Flying into a planet with a weapon that's supplying the flying force doesn't prove you even have 1 ton of strength.

psycho gundam
how the phuck did you miss him hammer down on stardust causing that big explosion?

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it denotes how high his durability is, not saying that Thor/Bill would use their fists to punch him. They are not putting down Doomsday with hitting him from mjolnir/stormbreaker when superman hurts his hands punching him.

Compared to the beings superman has hurt? They would come far below in striking power.

They've hurt plenty of beings beyond Doomsday with their hammers, let alone with energy projection, so clinging onto Superman hurting his hands on Doomsday as some kind of mark against them putting him down doesn't make sense.

Superman hurting or not hurting people > Doomsday has no bearing on the fact that Thor/Bill have hurt people above Doomsday and definitely have an "average" of doing so, let alone their cutting loose feats. Them being "far below" in striking power is also nonsensical.

You seem to want to project how Superman fought Doomsday onto the duo and throw out every single feat of theirs justifying how they could certainly hurt Doomsday and put him down given their feats against people above that tier by claiming "well, Superman hurt people above Doomsday too and it didn't fare well for him when he fought Doomsday himself". Okay, guess that sucks for Superman when it comes to Doomsday, then.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
They've hurt plenty of beings beyond Doomsday with their hammers, let alone with energy projection, so clinging onto Superman hurting his hands on Doomsday as some kind of mark against them putting him down doesn't make sense. Yes they have. Superman has too but when it came to doomsday he was hurting his hands on doomsday. What does that tells us? That Thor/Superman don't have an average of hurting Doomsday at their normal level. You can cling to Thor hurting Surtur for what its worth, that's not his average just like superman oneshotting death is not his average.

It is since superman is above them in average striking power/high end level. If Superman hurts his hands punching someone I'm sure Thor wouldn't hurt him with mjolnir. Tell me is Harald Jakellson above people like Surtur in durability since Thor broke his hands hitting him and didn't do it while hitting Surtur. It isn't. Superman has far superior striking feats to thor/BRB.

It sucks for Thor too. Thor doesn't goes striking and causing skyfathers pain on average basis. Does he has such feats? Yes. He has showings where he doesn't too and showings where he doesn't do good against heralds/below heralds too. You are clinging to Thor's selective high end feats and throwing out 99% of the rest of his history. Tell me jake, can superman oneshot Harald since he oneshotted a universal abstract?

CPT Space Bomb
Space Camel wins.

JakeTheBank
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes they have. Superman has too but when it came to doomsday he was hurting his hands on doomsday. What does that tells us? That Thor/Superman don't have an average of hurting Doomsday at their normal level. You can cling to Thor hurting Surtur for what its worth, that's not his average just like superman oneshotting death is not his average.

It is since superman is above them in average striking power/high end level. If Superman hurts his hands punching someone I'm sure Thor wouldn't hurt him with mjolnir. Tell me is Harald Jakellson above people like Surtur in durability since Thor broke his hands hitting him and didn't do it while hitting Surtur. It isn't. Superman has far superior striking feats to thor/BRB.

It sucks for Thor too. Thor doesn't goes striking and causing skyfathers pain on average basis. Does he has such feats? Yes. He has showings where he doesn't too and showings where he doesn't do good against heralds/below heralds too. You are clinging to Thor's selective high end feats and throwing out 99% of the rest of his history. Tell me jake, can superman oneshot Harald since he oneshotted a universal abstract?

Thor/Bill don't fight skyfather and beyond beings on average. When he does, though, his "average" is generally enough to stagger them if not cause them pain (in some cases, forcing them to experience pain for the first time in eons). Thor's average power output and striking force is more than enough to phase Doomsday and the only conclusion or reality in which it's not is if you want to lowball or outright ignore Thor's feats. And yeah, virtually every single time Surtur has shown up, Thor has been able to stagger him or even come close to beating him. And it certainly is fuel for his "average". And Superman one shotting "death" with context =/= isn't even a valid example to begin with, but while we're on the subject, Thor's fought his way back from death more than once and has beaten death entities/gods in their own realms, so I am not sure why you hold Superman's feat in such a ridiculously high regard in comparison or use that as a sort of "trump card".

Are you serious with that? Thor can't hurt Doomsday with Mjolnir because Superman hurt his hands on Doomsday? What kind of logic is that? You're basically trying to pigeon hole this "average Thor" you've arbitrarily created in your mind to save face for Superman having issues with him. Mjolnir >>>> Superman's durability and Thor's striking power with the hammer (let alone a throw) is definitely on par at the least with Superman's fist. And I'd like - no, love - for you to prove I'm throwing out "99.9%" of Thor's history here by claiming he has the means to hurt and beat Doomsday. What universal abstract did Superman one shot and in which kind of context? Because if it's like any of the feats you've been peddling lately, I'm skeptical to say the least? And for the record, Harald's durability shits on Doomsday's. And get out of here with that "far superior striking" crap.

Considering pretty much every time Thor faces a skyfather, one of which is a recurring foe of his, he is able to hurt them or stagger them, yes, I'd say his average level of power is enough to do the same to Doomsday, let alone his cutting loose/bloodlusted/no holding back levels....which is something you refuse to accept for whatever reason?

Again, at this rate, we should probably just do a DoS Doomsday versus Thor Battlezone.

CPT Space Bomb
Thor's battles with Mangog are more impressive than Superman fighting Doomsday.

Thor has battled lots of "Doomsday" like beings and won...But, of course, he'd lose against DD because Abhil wills it...

DTM
Thor nor BRB would beat Doomsday, nothing short of BFR anyway.

abhilegend
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Thor/Bill don't fight skyfather and beyond beings on average. When he does, though, his "average" is generally enough to stagger them if not cause them pain (in some cases, forcing them to experience pain for the first time in eons). Thor's average power output and striking force is more than enough to phase Doomsday and the only conclusion or reality in which it's not is if you want to lowball or outright ignore Thor's feats. And yeah, virtually every single time Surtur has shown up, Thor has been able to stagger him or even come close to beating him. And it certainly is fuel for his "average". And Superman one shotting "death" with context =/= isn't even a valid example to begin with, but while we're on the subject, Thor's fought his way back from death more than once and has beaten death entities/gods in their own realms, so I am not sure why you hold Superman's feat in such a ridiculously high regard in comparison or use that as a sort of "trump card". Wall of text ftw. Seriously does it hurt you anytime somebody doesn't gives Thor win? Also you didn't answer my question, is Harald>Surtur? Yes or no would be suffice. I dare you to produce context to this

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_supersting-57.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_supersting-58.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_supersting-59.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_supersting-60.jpg

I didn't know any thorbag was even more hypocritical than rage but you exceed where even he failed. Hyping a few of Thor's high end feats while talking shit about superman's feats in the same sentence? El Oh El.

Seriously shut up about things you don't know shit about. That was universal death who just destroyed whole universe in order to break superman's will. Show me those puny death gods destroying a whole universe and then talk. You are comparing Hela to Universal Death?

Yes, I'm serious. Not arbitary. Thor has always been below superman in striking power. So at best he would have no effect on Doomsday? I'm not sure why mjolnir factors in this. I'm talking about striking power and LOL @ at least being par on superman's striking power. I'ms sure the appearances of thor battling skyfathers and hurting them are less than 1% of his total appearances. Posted above and no context. He just went up and oneshotted him. Also Superman oneshots a quantum zealot who was beating a 5-d imp.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16015855_supermanvsimp.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16015857_supermanvsimp2.jpg


Like I said to rage, I don't give a damn about what you think. Why? Because its Thor? Its not "crap".



Hurting skyfathers=/=average feats. What feats does cutting loose Thor has that denotes his performance rises that above his average? Give me a relative performance like superman vs imperiex probes.

Seeing as how he's so few appearances, its not feasible. A superman/Thor battlezone, now that would be fun.

Golgo13
Originally posted by abhilegend
Wall of text ftw. Seriously does it hurt you anytime somebody doesn't gives Thor win? Also you didn't answer my question, is Harald>Surtur? Yes or no would be suffice. I dare you to produce context to this

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_supersting-57.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_supersting-58.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_supersting-59.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_supersting-60.jpg

I didn't know any thorbag was even more hypocritical than rage but you exceed where even he failed. Hyping a few of Thor's high end feats while talking shit about superman's feats in the same sentence? El Oh El.

Seriously shut up about things you don't know shit about. That was universal death who just destroyed whole universe in order to break superman's will. Show me those puny death gods destroying a whole universe and then talk. You are comparing Hela to Universal Death?

Yes, I'm serious. Not arbitary. Thor has always been below superman in striking power. So at best he would have no effect on Doomsday? I'm not sure why mjolnir factors in this. I'm talking about striking power and LOL @ at least being par on superman's striking power. I'ms sure the appearances of thor battling skyfathers and hurting them are less than 1% of his total appearances. Posted above and no context. He just went up and oneshotted him. Also Superman oneshots a quantum zealot who was beating a 5-d imp.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16015855_supermanvsimp.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16015857_supermanvsimp2.jpg


Like I said to rage, I don't give a damn about what you think. Why? Because its Thor? Its not "crap".



Hurting skyfathers=/=average feats. What feats does cutting loose Thor has that denotes his performance rises that above his average? Give me a relative performance like superman vs imperiex probes.

Seeing as how he's so few appearances, its not feasible. A superman/Thor battlezone, now that would be fun.

Didn't Doomsday in Year One survive a Guardian's death, which was powerful enough to rip a hole in space/time?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Doomsday in Year One survive a Guardian's death, which was powerful enough to rip a hole in space/time?
Yes. The same blast atomized SBP and Doomsday wasn't even KOED. That was a far weaker doomsday to boot.

xJLxKing
To be fair, the blast didn't do anything to Prime. In fact, the suicidal attack only amped Prime. Still, it was powerful enough and a good showing for DD

quanchi112
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Thor's battles with Mangog are more impressive than Superman fighting Doomsday.

Thor has battled lots of "Doomsday" like beings and won...But, of course, he'd lose against DD because Abhil wills it... laughing out loud

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