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and How weak is Ultimate thor compared to the other incarnations?

Based on what I remember - and I haven't followed Ultimate for a while - he's squarely in the low herald category. So the most powerful he could beat would be some other low heralds, maybe scattered mid herald or the best of high meta if the matchup is right for them.

Gladiator.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Gladiator.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I'm glad you're that guy. This thread needed a 'that guy' to have any chance at staying on the front page for more than an hour or so.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Gladiator.

Yeah right.

Ultimate Thor has been said to be stronger than his first incarnation, his power not dependant on his belt or hammer anymore. He hasn't really done much like slug it out with some high level threat beyond Supreme Power Hyperion and Zarda. I don't remember any other 'measuring stick' type fight under his belt.

As is I'd agree with others than he hangs in the low herald range.

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
and How weak is Ultimate thor compared to the other incarnations? They just pulled an "I've always been holding back" in the latest Ultimates #26. So who knows anymore:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/UltimateThor01.jpg

^ Ultimate Worldbreaker Thor? mmm

That was more than a tickle.

Originally posted by ODG
They just pulled an "I've always been holding back" in the latest Ultimates #26. So who knows anymore:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/UltimateThor01.jpg What was that glowing armor looking thing on Hulk? Can you post the next panel/the fight? interesting. Hulk vs Thor is always fun.

Last I checked ultimate hulk was working with ultimate reed, quicksilver and Female Kang and also was using the power gems, is he still using them here or no? He had the glove on when he was using them but since I haven't read this issue I don't know If he pulled a drax and swallowed a gem or something.

was the ultimate avengers movie non-canon? I completely remember hulk picking up the hammer and thor was all like 0_0 By odins Beard

Why would a movie be canon to the comic series?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why would a movie be canon to the comic series? because i wished really hard while looking at a shooting star in the pale moon lit night in the middle of wonderland with Alice and the gang

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
was the ultimate avengers movie non-canon? I completely remember hulk picking up the hammer and thor was all like 0_0 By odins Beard

Nope not cannon. In the comics his powers are 'artificial' and created by the use of his belt and his hammer. This is later changed and his powers become more natural but in the movie he was simply son of Odin, Thor god of thunder and kickassery. The hammer in the comics had no enchantments until later when he used the more 616 looking hammer and even then it was just mentioned as being unmovable due to weight and a number of times has been used by enemies. (magneto made it super heavy and send Thor into the earth, possibly the center and Tony's brother amped by his nano machines caught it mid air after it was thrown at him and then beat Thor with it)

ultimate thor's mjolnir looked so badass
http://i.stack.imgur.com/2beyB.jpg

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
ultimate thor's mjolnir looked so badass
http://i.stack.imgur.com/2beyB.jpg
That it truly was! The new more slim smaller version just bothers me.. I liked how big it was, a giant battle hammer-axe! Hopefully they will have Thor switch out his weapons more often since he isn't as dependent on it for his power like 616.
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg136/Wyokid/Ultimates3-007.jpg
it's pretty much unlimited possibility in that arsenal.

I'd say Terrax would be the strongest or most powerful that U Thor could sweep.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
That it truly was! The new more slim smaller version just bothers me.. I liked how big it was, a giant battle hammer-axe! Hopefully they will have Thor switch out his weapons more often since he isn't as dependent on it for his power like 616.
http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg136/Wyokid/Ultimates3-007.jpg
it's pretty much unlimited possibility in that arsenal. I know! the slim version looks really lame. this was a beast to be reckoned with

Originally posted by Stoic
I'd say Terrax would be the strongest or most powerful that U Thor could sweep. really? that strong?

Originally posted by Stoic
I'd say Terrax would be the strongest or most powerful that U Thor could sweep.
Maybe air walker or red shift but Terrax? How do you see that playing out? Or is it just Terrax low showings create a nice enough gap for Ultimate Thor to get a good majority?

Originally posted by ODG
They just pulled an "I've always been holding back" in the latest Ultimates #26. So who knows anymore:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/UltimateThor01.jpg

I hate it when writers do that. Just the height of stupidity.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Maybe air walker or red shift but Terrax? How do you see that playing out? Or is it just Terrax low showings create a nice enough gap for Ultimate Thor to get a good majority?


Well I think Ult. Thor is stronger for one, and his elemental power likely trumps Terrax's. The thing about Terrax's supposed low showings is that he has so many of them, and that means that they aren't really low showings but average ones.

Originally posted by asdf83
I hate it when writers do that. Just the height of stupidity.
Which? The 'i have been holding back despite stating I was giving it my all or actually trying' or the getting bloodied and saying it 'tickled' ?
The tickle part is fine, it's just bravado be it true or not but the part about holding back I'd agree. I rather he just show he can do more and dominate a fight than talk smack..





Originally posted by Stoic
Well I think Ult. Thor is stronger for one, and his elemental power likely trumps Terrax's. The thing about Terrax's supposed low showings is that he has so many of them, and that means that they aren't really low showings but average ones.
Good point about the showings. I'm a U Thor fan so I approve your post. Lol

Originally posted by ODG
They just pulled an "I've always been holding back" in the latest Ultimates #26. So who knows anymore:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/UltimateThor01.jpg

u havethe whole fight

Originally posted by ODG
They just pulled an "I've always been holding back" in the latest Ultimates #26. So who knows anymore:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/UltimateThor01.jpg

Not to mention the Infinity Gauntlet made Hulk bigger and stronger (Smarter too apparently).

Also, Hulk's never fought a full power Ultimate Thor. When he came to Midgard he was reborn as a mortal man who was empowered by technology which is a poor substitute for his real powers I guess based on his sulking.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not to mention the Infinity Gauntlet made Hulk bigger and stronger (Smarter too apparently).

Also, Hulk's never fought a full power Ultimate Thor. When he came to Midgard he was reborn as a mortal man who was empowered by technology which is a poor substitute for his real powers I guess based on his sulking.

Didn't hulk get smart after banner went off and got into meditation or something? That while ultimate hulk VS wolverine comic had him explaining something like that and the hulk was talking and such.

True about the mortal thing but do you remember when he got back his godly power? He stopped wearing the tech torso belt and using the generator that doubled as his hammer. He was able to empower the girl who became valkyrie so he has his godly powers in whatever measure but I'm iffy on when exactly he got them back.

Who are the strongest characters in either mainstream marvel or DC he can put down for majority? This thread has gotten me actually curious of such things.

Wherever you put Supreme Hyperion tier wise, put Ultimate Thor a couple of tiers below that. Supreme Hype destroyed UT...outright humiliated him and then used his own hammer on him (yes, bypassed the enchantment).

Originally posted by carver9
Wherever you put Supreme Hyperion tier wise, put Ultimate Thor a couple of tiers below that. Supreme Hype destroyed UT...outright humiliated him and then used his own hammer on him (yes, bypassed the enchantment).
Nah, ultimate Thor doesn't have any enchantments. He can fly and use his weather manip without his hammer also. The hammer he was using was just a big ol generator they fashioned into a hammer to use as a weapon instead of strapping it to his back or something. At that time he still had artificial powers.
His hammers are less enchanted not to move and more just really really heavy.. So guys like Hyperion,hulk and anyone in or above thors weight class can use his hammer.. He doesn't care, he will just use his fists or get another hammer

Originally posted by carver9
Wherever you put Supreme Hyperion tier wise, put Ultimate Thor a couple of tiers below that. Supreme Hype destroyed UT...outright humiliated him and then used his own hammer on him (yes, bypassed the enchantment).

Supreme Hyperion temporarily got over the edge over Ultimate Thor and knocked him down for maybe like two seconds after he got pissed. Impressive I guess (Especially lifting Mjolnir but it doesn't have a Worthy enchantment in UM, just heavy IIRC), but Ultimate Thor stop holding back and owned Hyperion right after.

Why do you only remember the first half of the fight? Do you have like amnesia? He also easily dismissed Power Girl or whatever who was practically as strong as Hyperion.

So All out Thor > All out Hyperion > Holding back Thor.

Do you have a scan or something that states his hammer isn't enchanted because Thor was pretty shocked at Hyperion wielding it.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Didn't hulk get smart after banner went off and got into meditation or something? That while ultimate hulk VS wolverine comic had him explaining something like that and the hulk was talking and such.

True about the mortal thing but do you remember when he got back his godly power? He stopped wearing the tech torso belt and using the generator that doubled as his hammer. He was able to empower the girl who became valkyrie so he has his godly powers in whatever measure but I'm iffy on when exactly he got them back.

Who are the strongest characters in either mainstream marvel or DC he can put down for majority? This thread has gotten me actually curious of such things.

I don't remember anything from that mini besides Wolverine getting ripped in half. This Hulk is pretty articulate and was using the Infinity Gauntlet, I definitely don't remember him being that intelligent at any point.

Right now he is mortal, but for some reason he is able to use his powers without the tech on him which is weird.

Originally posted by carver9
Do you have a scan or something that states his hammer isn't enchanted because Thor was pretty shocked at Hyperion wielding it.

Why would I need to post a scan of them saying it isn't enchanted? You'd have to prove that it is enchanted, we don't assume every version of Mjolnir has a worthiness enchantment to it. As far as I know it's never been mentioned and the mechanical hammer/axe is a power generator created by the British Super-soldier program.

The regular looking Mjolnir is the actual Asgardian weapon according to the recent continuity. Although it's never been said that this is enchanted as well.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Supreme Hyperion temporarily got over the edge over Ultimate Thor and knocked him down for maybe like two seconds after he got pissed. Impressive I guess (Especially lifting Mjolnir but it doesn't have a Worthy enchantment in UM, just heavy IIRC), but Ultimate Thor stop holding back and owned Hyperion right after.

Why do you only remember the first half of the fight? Do you have like amnesia? He also easily dismissed Power Girl or whatever who was practically as strong as Hyperion.

So All out Thor > All out Hyperion > Holding back Thor.

Lol...that wasn't a temporarily ko...he was knocked out and it wasn't a fight. I posted this for you before, I can repost it if you want.

Also, Hyperion was at half power when they fought the second time. A plant was absorbing his power.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...that wasn't a temporarily ko...he was knocked out and it wasn't a fight. I posted this for you before, I can repost it if you want.

Also, Hyperion was at half power when they fought the second time. A plant was absorbing his power.

What are you talking about?

Hyperion knocks Thor down and flies away. Thor immediately gets up and blasts him out of the sky when we go back to them.

Yes, he was blasted down into that plant goo that drains his powers (Prolonged exposure weakens him but he doesn't go down to half in mere moments, not sure where you got that from. It's not kryptonite). But we saw Thor easily dismiss Power Woman or whatever who's pretty much his equal from what I remember.

So like I said, when Thor goes all out, he's just as strong.

Edit: Hyperion did get his power cut in half when the new Squadron Supreme showed up but at that point Thor was already kicking the crap out of him for a while IIRC.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't remember anything from that mini besides Wolverine getting ripped in half. This Hulk is pretty articulate and was using the Infinity Gauntlet, I definitely don't remember him being that intelligent at any point.

Right now he is mortal, but for some reason he is able to use his powers without the tech on him which is weird.
http://comicrelated.com/graphics/hulkvswolverine3_pg6.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/720959-prv2136_pg7.jpg

only two pics I could find of hulk being articulate. I'll admit I didn't look all that hard.

Perun (sp?) the Russian knockoff seemed to get the handed down role of 'tech based thor' and Thor got his 616 looking hammer which was actually forged by Ulik by his fathers command so perhaps his powers have returned with the use of the hammer.. Only real explanation I can piece together.

that version of hulk....so awesome

Wasn't thor being powered by tech a reality warp by loki which was reversed later on and he had his godly powers since then?

@Rage...

If possible, can you post a scan of Thor still being awake. Hyperion flew off and Thor was asleep. Also, he was depowered before facing Thor. They was battling the plant before the Avengers got there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wasn't thor being powered by tech a reality warp by loki which was reversed later on and he had his godly powers since then?

According to Thor's recent series (Hickman basically trying to streamline the conflicting information), when Asgard burned during Ragnarok, all Gods besides Loki were reborn as men including Thor. Since he awoke during the modern era, he has been powerless until he received the technology. I guess at some point (Post Loki revelation is the only possible answer) he gained Godhood (Don't remember what level or whatever) but now he's mortal again.

Originally posted by carver9
@Rage...

If possible, can you post a scan of Thor still being awake. Hyperion flew off and Thor was asleep. Also, he was depowered before facing Thor. They was battling the plant before the Avengers got there.

I don't have the Ultimate series on me anymore. If you've read it, you should know this however.

Wait what? That makes no sense. Hyperion was specifically told to stay away from the surface because he'd get weakened by prolonged exposure, that's why he was so pissed. He had to watch people die.

Superman.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't have the Ultimate series on me anymore. If you've read it, you should know this however.

Wait what? That makes no sense. Hyperion was specifically told to stay away from the surface because he'd get weakened by prolonged exposure, that's why he was so pissed. He had to watch people die.

I can post it and I know you won't have a way to counter it.

It does make sense...Thor fought a weakened Hype.

Originally posted by Mindset
Superman. You do know what you've just done right?

Originally posted by carver9
I can post it and I know you won't have a way to counter it.

It does make sense...Thor fought a weakened Hype.

What do you mean I won't? Worst comes to worst I'll just dl the series if you want to lie about shit.

No, that's a lie. Hyperion was specifically floating near orbit watching over Earth because he couldn't interfere due to the spores.

I can post the fight. One sec.

Wasn't Zarda supposed to be on Hyperions level? She wasn't weakened by anything and Ultimate Thor tanked her hit like it was nothing once he seemed to be serious. Same Zarda that survived hulked out sex
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/2763640-thor_vs_hyperion_and_zarda___2_.jpg
He also spit on their gods it seems.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What do you mean I won't? Worst comes to worst I'll just dl the series if you want to lie about shit.

No, that's a lie. Hyperion was specifically floating near orbit watching over Earth because he couldn't interfere due to the spores.


Show me.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/1.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/3.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/4.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/5.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/6.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/7.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/8.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/9.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/10.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/11.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/12.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/13.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/14.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/15.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
According to Thor's recent series (Hickman basically trying to streamline the conflicting information), when Asgard burned during Ragnarok, all Gods besides Loki were reborn as men including Thor. Since he awoke during the modern era, he has been powerless until he received the technology. I guess at some point (Post Loki revelation is the only possible answer) he gained Godhood (Don't remember what level or whatever) but now he's mortal again.
Ah,ok. Thanks.

What is it with greg land that his female characters always seems to be in sex positions? Looks like zarda wanted thor's dick in her mouth while fighting him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What is it with greg land that his female characters always seems to be in sex positions? Looks like zarda wanted thor's dick in her mouth while fighting him. She wanted to feel "The Thunder"

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Wasn't Zarda supposed to be on Hyperions level? She wasn't weakened by anything and Ultimate Thor tanked her hit like it was nothing once he seemed to be serious. Same Zarda that survived hulked out sex
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/123441/2763640-thor_vs_hyperion_and_zarda___2_.jpg
He also spit on their gods it seems.

Yeah Zarda was equal to Hyperion (Even owned Hulk) but Thor dismissed her easily. Based on that, I'd argue a serious Thor is even stronger then Hyperion.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/1.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/3.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/4.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/5.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/6.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/7.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/8.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/9.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/10.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/11.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/12.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/13.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/14.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/15.jpg

Show you what? The second half of the fight? I've posted it for you before, do you not remember? Fine, I'll look up the issue you, god you're worthless.

Also, I'm assuming you're dropping this weakened before the fight nonsense?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yeah Zarda was equal to Hyperion (Even owned Hulk) but Thor dismissed her easily. Based on that, I'd argue a serious Thor is even stronger then Hyperion.



Show you what? The second half of the fight? I've posted it for you before, do you not remember? Fine, I'll look up the issue you, god you're worthless.

Also, I'm assuming you're dropping this weakened before the fight nonsense?

LOL... I remember us debating this but you never replied. Also, yes, they had a second encounter but it was issues after the fight I posted. I can post the second fight as well if you want. You said Thor wasn't koed during THAT fight.

Rage, he was weakened. Them being in the proximity of the plant was draining them.

Originally posted by carver9
Show me.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/15.jpg

Hyperion is flying away in this scan from Thor and switch to the other conflicts. When we switch back, Thor seems to get up immediately and blast Hyperion down:
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/RespectThor/Fights/Vs%20Hyperion/Vs%20Hyperion%203/1.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/RespectThor/Fights/Vs%20Hyperion/Vs%20Hyperion%203/2.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/RespectThor/Fights/Vs%20Hyperion/Vs%20Hyperion%203/3.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/RespectThor/Fights/Vs%20Hyperion/Vs%20Hyperion%203/4.jpg

He beats him up some more, but then Hyperion get's his power split in two by Wanda IIRC.

Originally posted by carver9
LOL... I remember us debating this but you never replied. Also, yes, they had a second encounter but it was issues after the fight I posted. I can post the second fight as well if you want. You said Thor wasn't koed during THAT fight.

Rage, he was weakened. Them being in the proximity of the plant was draining them.

He wasn't. Their second fight was immediately after Hyperion knocks Thor down. We switch away from their encounter and then in the next issue we switch back. All these battles were happening simultaneously.

That is a lie. Hyperion was specifically told to stay in the air because those spores drain him after -prolonged- contact.

Which is why Hyperion was orbiting Earth, that way he isn't negatively affected by the things. I swear to god Carver, if you make me download the comic to prove you wrong, I'll report you for lying.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hyperion is flying away in this scan from Thor and switch to the other conflicts. When we switch back, Thor seems to get up immediately and blast Hyperion down:
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/RespectThor/Fights/Vs%20Hyperion/Vs%20Hyperion%203/1.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/RespectThor/Fights/Vs%20Hyperion/Vs%20Hyperion%203/2.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/RespectThor/Fights/Vs%20Hyperion/Vs%20Hyperion%203/3.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/RespectThor/Fights/Vs%20Hyperion/Vs%20Hyperion%203/4.jpg

He beats him up some more, but then Hyperion get's his power split in two by Wanda IIRC.

IIRC, isn't that an entirely different scene. Also, wasn't that during the time the plant first manifested?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
He wasn't. Their second fight was immediately after Hyperion knocks Thor down. We switch away from their encounter and then in the next issue we switch back.

That is a lie. Hyperion was specifically told to stay in the air because constant with those spores drains him after prolonged exposures. I swear to god Carver, if you make me download the comic to prove you wrong, I'll report you for lying.

Ill take your word for it.

Originally posted by carver9
IIRC, isn't that an entirely different scene. Also, isn't that during the time the plant first manifested?

What? No.

- Hyperion knocks Thor down.
- We switch away to other fights.
- Next issue when we switch back to them, Thor is blasting Hyperion as he flies away. Which based on Hyperion's speed/location, is in moments after he downs him.

What are you talking about? When the spores first manifested, the Avengers were still on their planet.

If you're talking about their very first fight in the dimension of the Ultimates, here it is:
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/RespectThor/Fights/Vs%20Hyperion/Vs%20Hyperion%201/1.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/RespectThor/Fights/Vs%20Hyperion/Vs%20Hyperion%201/2.jpg
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/RespectThor/Fights/Vs%20Hyperion/Vs%20Hyperion%201/3.jpg

Based on those scans Hyperion looked beyond Thor. He stopped a hammer strike with one hand from behind and was choking Thor like a ***** with one hand while thor was struggling to get free.

Originally posted by carver9
Ill take your word for it.

Don't. For all you know, I could be lying out of my ass. It would be better for you to read the scans for yourself. I wasn't going to report you, just too lazy to do any kind of work.

@Rage...

You wouldn't consider this a flash KO.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/15.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Based on those scans Hyperion looked beyond Thor. He stopped a hammer strike with one hand from behind and was choking Thor like a ***** with one hand while thor was struggling to get free.

Yup, when Hyperion cut loose, he was definitely stronger then Thor by a decent margin.

But Thor cut loose too.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Don't. For all you know, I could be lying out of my ass. It would be better for you to read the scans for yourself. I wasn't going to report you, just too lazy to do any kind of work.

The only reason I said what I said is...I'm tired of debating this topic because we are seeing the fight in an entirely different perspective.

Originally posted by carver9
@Rage...

You wouldn't consider this a flash KO.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thor/15.jpg

I would consider it a definite knock out tbh even if we didn't see anything else based on the ownage.

But the moment we look back at them, Thor's already blasting Hyperion out of the sky in mid-air at pretty much the same distance:
http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff175/RespectThor/Fights/Vs%20Hyperion/Vs%20Hyperion%203/1.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Based on those scans Hyperion looked beyond Thor. He stopped a hammer strike with one hand from behind and was choking Thor like a ***** with one hand while thor was struggling to get free.

Kinda where the debate comes from.. One side says the 2nd fight plays out differently because Thor has measure of his opponent and is 'serious' while the other believes it's the plant that was supposed to be Hyperions Kryptonite or a mix of the both.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Kinda where the debate comes from.. One side says the 2nd fight plays out differently because Thor has measure of his opponent and is 'serious' while the other believes it's the plant that was supposed to be Hyperions Kryptonite or a mix of the both.

Yup, the spores make it less clear cut but it should be noted that these things aren't Kryptonite. Hyperion was evacuating the planet for a while before he noticed his weakness to these things IIRC.

And Thor owned Zarda in much the same fashion Hyperion owned Thor who is practically his equal.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yup, the spores make it less clear cut but it should be noted that these things aren't Kryptonite. Hyperion was evacuating the planet for a while before he noticed his weakness to these things IIRC.

And Thor owned Zarda in much the same fashion Hyperion owned Thor who is practically his equal.

True. Throwing the word kryptonite around might be a tad misleading but wasn't it created for the purpose of weakening him/killing? I haven't read the comic in a long time.

I find this debate fascinating, and enjoy seeing the feats/fights. Thanks all.

You're welcome.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
True. Throwing the word kryptonite around might be a tad misleading but wasn't it created for the purpose of weakening him/killing? I haven't read the comic in a long time.

It was, by that evil scientist. It's his Kryptonite yes, but what I meant was, is that it doesn't instantly cripple him like Kryptonite does to Superman (Under some portrayals anyways).

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yup, when Hyperion cut loose, he was definitely stronger then Thor by a decent margin.

But Thor cut loose too.
Lightning bro. Thor wasn't just using his strength and if what I learned about spores and they were weakening him, we can count that out for thor.Originally posted by SevenShackles
Kinda where the debate comes from.. One side says the 2nd fight plays out differently because Thor has measure of his opponent and is 'serious' while the other believes it's the plant that was supposed to be Hyperions Kryptonite or a mix of the both.
I think its clear cut based on those scans that hype was beyond thor and he was weakened by spores later on.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lightning bro. Thor wasn't just using his strength and if what I learned about spores and they were weakening him, we can count that out for thor.

I think its clear cut based on those scans that hype was beyond thor and he was weakened by spores later on.

Part of his power set.

He casually owned Zarda too though.

Check out the Ultimate Power series if you have the chance, I don't feel like uploading it but the spores don't instantly weaken him, up to you if you feel like disregarding it (Not sure why you would).

All out Hyperion > Normal Thor. All out Thor is apparently a different beast.

IIRC...Hyperion was weakened to the point that Thing was able to match him AND temporarily ko him with a punch.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thing/1.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thing/2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thing/3.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thing/4.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thing/5.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thing/6.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
IIRC...Hyperion was weakened to the point that Thing was able to match him AND temporarily ko him with a punch.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thing/1.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thing/2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thing/3.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thing/4.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thing/5.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc185/RespectHyperion/Battles/Vs%20Thing/6.jpg

What are you talking about? That's on the Ultimate Marvel Earth right after their teleportation IIRC. And not only is Ultimate Thing a lot higher up the scale than his 616 version, but their biology was out of whack momentarily with that Universe.

Yeah, don't sleep on Ultimate Thing. He's one of the few instances where Ultimate version >>> 616 version. Colossus as well. I can't think of many others.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What are you talking about? That's on the Ultimate Marvel Earth right after their teleportation IIRC. And not only is Ultimate Thing a lot higher up the scale than his 616 version, but their biology was out of whack momentarily with that Universe.

I understand that but wasn't Hyperion weakened during that state as well?

Originally posted by Digi
Yeah, don't sleep on Ultimate Thing. He's one of the few instances where Ultimate version >>> 616 version. Colossus as well. I can't think of many others.

Wasn't Ultimate Namor the strongest/most powerful being on Ult U? They even granted him teleportation IIRC.

Originally posted by carver9
I understand that but wasn't Hyperion weakened during that state as well?

What? The teleportation trip momentarily weakened him and the rest of the Squadron but anything beyond that I don't recall.

If you're arguing he was weakened by spores, that makes absolutely no sense, this isn't his Earth but the Ultimate's Earth.

And weakened or not, if Hyperion is stronger then Ultimate Ben, it's not by much.

Just noticed Zarda knocking Thing for a loop. She's extremely strong, wouldn't be surprised if I saw her beat up Hyperion. Can't believe Thor no sold her like that.

Originally posted by carver9
Wasn't Ultimate Namor the strongest/most powerful being on Ult U? They even granted him teleportation IIRC.

Well, no to the former. I don't remember him being terribly beyond his 616 incarnation, but he certainly wasn't > a lot of characters. On the latter, unsure. I followed a bunch of Ultimate titles for quite a while, but not at all in the last couple years. It may be a power I'm unaware of.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Just noticed Zarda knocking Thing for a loop. She's extremely strong, wouldn't be surprised if I saw her beat up Hyperion. Can't believe Thor no sold her like that.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Part of his power set.

He casually owned Zarda too though.

Check out the Ultimate Power series if you have the chance, I don't feel like uploading it but the spores don't instantly weaken him, up to you if you feel like disregarding it (Not sure why you would).

All out Hyperion > Normal Thor. All out Thor is apparently a different beast.

I was mainly talking about strength.

Meh, females. Explains itself.

I would. Is it any good? I think how they are described, he was weakened there when Thor was unleashing on him.

Yeah Hype looked beyond thor. Not if hype was weakened there.

Originally posted by carver9
Wasn't Ultimate Namor the strongest/most powerful being on Ult U? They even granted him teleportation IIRC.
Yes.Originally posted by Digi
Well, no to the former. I don't remember him being terribly beyond his 616 incarnation, but he certainly wasn't > a lot of characters. On the latter, unsure. I followed a bunch of Ultimate titles for quite a while, but not at all in the last couple years. It may be a power I'm unaware of.




Namor was explicitly the most powerful metahuman by comparison when that ring or whatever was choosing the most powerful being on planet and choosed namor instead of hulk, thing, thor and doom.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I was mainly talking about strength.

Meh, females. Explains itself.

I would. Is it any good? I think how they are described, he was weakened there when Thor was unleashing on him.

Yeah Hype looked beyond thor. Not if hype was weakened there.

What kind of response is that? Thor casually dismisses someone who's pretty much as strong as Hyperion and even more formidable in hand to hand when he's angry and your comeback is females?

They emit radiation that will kill him eventually or whatever. But he spent not an insignificant amount of time trying remove these things before he had to leave ground zero. If they wrestled for like an hour in the thing, okay, I get it, but a few seconds? No, not enough to discount it.

Probably was, but I don't believe it's enough to make a difference in the outcome. Based on how he handled Zarda, you could easily argue he's noticeably stronger then Hyperion fresh or not.

I also just remembered that Zarda and Thor had a second fight in that Ultimates series. She specifically said she wasn't going to hold back and got beat in hand to hand. Thor actually put her down and was about to end her until War Machine interfered. For some comparison, she was trading blows with Ultimate Thing easily after he owned Hyperion IIRC and she took out Ultimate Hulk (Used her strength and skill in that fight).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.
Namor was explicitly the most powerful metahuman by comparison when that ring or whatever was choosing the most powerful being on planet and choosed namor instead of hulk, thing, thor and doom.

Interesting, thanks. Now, the follow-up, are there feats to support that choice? It just seems anomalous to me.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What kind of response is that? Thor casually dismisses someone who's pretty much as strong as Hyperion and even more formidable in hand to hand when he's angry and your comeback is females?

They emit radiation that will kill him eventually or whatever. But he spent not an insignificant amount of time trying remove these things before he had to leave ground zero. If they wrestled for like an hour in the thing, okay, I get it, but a few seconds? No, not enough to discount it.

Probably was, but I don't believe it's enough to make a difference in the outcome. Based on how he handled Zarda, you could easily argue he's noticeably stronger then Hyperion fresh or not.

I was joking bro. Lighten up. Although she is still a woman. Also where was it stated that she is as strong as hyperion? Just compare their showings against Thor and it seems untrue.

So he was already exposed to it. Maybe it was a delayed effect or something. I would've to read the comic to be certain.

Direct strength comparison showed Hype as beyond Thor in strength. That's why ABC logic doesn't work.Originally posted by Digi
Interesting, thanks. Now, the follow-up, are there feats to support that choice? It just seems anomalous to me.
Yeah, he oneshotted Thing IIRC and Thing admitted he was beyond him in strength.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I was joking bro. Lighten up. Although she is still a woman. Also where was it stated that she is as strong as hyperion? Just compare their showings against Thor and it seems untrue.

So he was already exposed to it. Maybe it was a delayed effect or something. I would've to read the comic to be certain.

Direct strength comparison showed Hype as beyond Thor in strength. That's why ABC logic doesn't work.


I'm not telepathic, how should I know? They stalemated, maybe more then once. She also stalemated Ultimate Thing in that arc.

I don't understand why you can accept Hyperion going all-out and becoming stronger but not the same for Thor? Why is this so hard for you?

Yes, but he specifically was high in the air away from the ground up until the battle so he wouldn't be affected by the things over long term. Exposure for a few seconds would not weaken him enough for someone to manhandle him.

So Hyperion got mad and owned Thor. Thor gets mad and owns Hyperion. The spores shed some doubt on this but Thor owns Zarda, Hyperion's peer, cementing his strength (Twice I might add).

For those interested, the new Thor series retconned the original hammer into becoming Mjolnir:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16082397_Ultimate_Thor_2_014.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16082398_Ultimate_Thor_2_015.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16082407_Ultimate_Thor_2_016.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16082408_Ultimate_Thor_2_017.jpg

After Ragnarok, he was reborn as a man:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16082409_Ultimate_Thor_4_019.jpg

The metallic hammer is what he used when mortal, this series kind of retcons some stuff.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I also just remembered that Zarda and Thor had a second fight in that Ultimates series. She specifically said she wasn't going to hold back and got beat in hand to hand. Thor actually put her down and was about to end her until War Machine interfered. For some comparison, she was trading blows with Ultimate Thing easily after he owned Hyperion IIRC and she took out Ultimate Hulk (Used her strength and skill in that fight).
Do you have scans of that 2nd fight? I had issues getting those comics and never got around to finding them after so I haven't seen it.

Rage, send me a PM on where you download your comics.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm not telepathic, how should I know? They stalemated, maybe more then once. She also stalemated Ultimate Thing in that arc.

I don't understand why you can accept Hyperion going all-out and becoming stronger but not the same for Thor? Why is this so hard for you?

Yes, but he specifically was high in the air away from the ground up until the battle so he wouldn't be affected by the things over long term. Exposure for a few seconds would not weaken him enough for someone to manhandle him.

So Hyperion got mad and owned Thor. Thor gets mad and owns Hyperion. The spores shed some doubt on this but Thor owns Zarda, Hyperion's peer, cementing his strength (Twice I might add).
You don't have to be a telepath to understand a joke, well maybe you do.

Because Thor didn't own him with just strength, maybe?

Like I said maybe it was a delayed effect. I can't say for certain untill I read the comic.

Beating a peer doesn't supersedes a direct strength showing. I can make a case of Wonder Woman being stronger than superman by that way.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You don't have to be a telepath to understand a joke, well maybe you do.

Because Thor didn't own him with just strength, maybe?

Like I said maybe it was a delayed effect. I can't say for certain untill I read the comic.

Beating a peer doesn't supersedes a direct strength showing. I can make a case of Wonder Woman being stronger than superman by that way.

I'm sorry I couldn't tell if you were joking or not. My apologies.

He used lightning in the assault but it's pretty clear to me he wasn't someone an all out Hyperion can beat in hand to hand necessarily much less manhandle.

What delayed effect are you talking about? I'm confused. Prolonged exposure causes him to be sick (Sweaty chills etc.) so he left ground level to avoid negative effects. Thor's fight knocked him into the ground momentarily which is why I'm saying it wasn't a relevant enough factor to throw out the fight.

Be my guest, it doesn't change my argument. But Thor owned her in hand to hand combat like he was owning Hyperion after the lightning blast, not with energy absorption or something.

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Do you have scans of that 2nd fight? I had issues getting those comics and never got around to finding them after so I haven't seen it.

Tomorrow, I need to sleep now.

Alright, I found the issues, so enjoy guys.

Thor fought the Ultimates, Loki and Hel throughout the issues but I'll only post the ones with Zarda in them (Dude has some wicked damage soak when he gets mad):
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16082724_Ultimate_New_Ultimates_05_pg_08_copy.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16082725_Ultimate_New_Ultimates_05_pg_09_copy.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16082726_Ultimate_New_Ultimates_05_pg_10_copy.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16082727_Ultimate_New_Ultimates_05_pg_11_copy.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16082729_Ultimate_New_Ultimates_05_pg_12-3_copy.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16082730_Ultimate_New_Ultimates_05_pg_14_copy.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16082731_Ultimate_New_Ultimates_05_pg_15_copy.jpg


http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16082721_New_Ultimates_004_pg_10-11_copy.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16082722_New_Ultimates_004_pg_12_copy.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16082723_New_Ultimates_004_pg_13_copy.jpg

It seems Iron Man hit them hard enough to take out Zarda I guess.

For some comparison as to how tough Zarda is, here's her fight with Hulk:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361531-ultimatehulk1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361532-ultimatehulk2.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361533-ultimatehulk3.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361534-ultimatehulk4.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361535-ultimatehulk5.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361536-ultimatehulk6.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361537-ultimatehulk7.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361538-ultimatehulk8.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361539-ultimatehulk9.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/6/63010/1361540-ultimatehulk10.jpg

I don't have scans of her fight with Hyperion but they stalemate and she also takes on Thing after Hyperion (Not sure if she takes him out):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/2641514-thing_vs_zarda.jpg

My point is that she's just as strong as he is. Closer to Thor/Hulk relationship then a Wonder Woman/Superman one.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm sorry I couldn't tell if you were joking or not. My apologies.

He used lightning in the assault but it's pretty clear to me he wasn't someone an all out Hyperion can beat in hand to hand necessarily much less manhandle.

What delayed effect are you talking about? I'm confused. Prolonged exposure causes him to be sick (Sweaty chills etc.) so he left ground level to avoid negative effects. Thor's fight knocked him into the ground momentarily which is why I'm saying it wasn't a relevant enough factor to throw out the fight.

Be my guest, it doesn't change my argument. But Thor owned her in hand to hand combat like he was owning Hyperion after the lightning blast, not with energy absorption or something.
No problem bro.

That's debatable if he was getting weakened.

I was just guessing that it might have a delayed affect on him since he was mentioned to be getting weakened.

You would like that, don't you? Anyway, I don't have much interest in ultimate marvel so meh. Hyperion=~Thor overall in power, that's good enough for you?

Originally posted by SevenShackles
Which? The 'i have been holding back despite stating I was giving it my all or actually trying' or the getting bloodied and saying it 'tickled' ?
The tickle part is fine, it's just bravado be it true or not but the part about holding back I'd agree. I rather he just show he can do more and dominate a fight than talk smack..

The first part. It's the laziest kind of retconning and just makes no sense.

Originally posted by asdf83
The first part. It's the laziest kind of retconning and just makes no sense. lol. that did much more than tickle

Originally posted by abhilegend
No problem bro.

That's debatable if he was getting weakened.

I was just guessing that it might have a delayed affect on him since he was mentioned to be getting weakened.

You would like that, don't you? Anyway, I don't have much interest in ultimate marvel so meh. Hyperion=~Thor overall in power, that's good enough for you?

Why? It's not like his strength was cut in half.

I didn't bring it up, you did lol. They're pretty close in close combat but Thor's more powerful and versatile imho.

In regards to Thor's anger and it's effects on his abilities, that was one of the main points in New Ultimates:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16086854_New_Ultimates_004_pg_18_copy.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16086855_New_Ultimates_004_pg_19_copy.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16086856_New_Ultimates_004_pg_20_copy.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16086859_New_Ultimates_004_pg_21_copy.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16086860_New_Ultimates_004_pg_22-3_copy.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16086862_New_Ultimates_004_pg_24_copy.jpg

That being said, there's a lot of conflicting information regarding Thor and his powers. One reoccurring them however seems to be that in his God Form, Thor's practically unstoppable.

So Ultimate Thor can fly without his hammer? Niiiice. That's what they need to do with 616 Thor.

I read that comic...can't believe I don't remember it. Is this when he went on a rampage, fought two ironmen/women. Pretty much stomped the Avengers and the military, kind of got burnt to a crisp where his hair was completely gone, face damaged but kept going with his rampage? Is this correct Rage? They ended up defeating him by taking his gear or is this another scene that I am unaware of?

Originally posted by carver9
So Ultimate Thor can fly without his hammer? Niiiice. That's what they need to do with 616 Thor.

When he's a God, this Thor doesn't need Mjolnir to fly or control the elements:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087187_Ultimate_New_Ultimates_05_pg_04-5a_copy.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
I read that comic...can't believe I don't remember it. Is this when he went on a rampage, fought two ironmen/women. Pretty much stomped the Avengers and the military, kind of got burnt to a crisp where his hair was completely gone, face damaged but kept going with his rampage? Is this correct Rage? They ended up defeating him by taking his gear or is this another scene that I am unaware of?

That's a while before this scene, here's the fight:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087298_Untitled-Scanned-20.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087299_Untitled-Scanned-21.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087300_Untitled-Scanned-22.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087279_Untitled-Scanned-04.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087280_Untitled-Scanned-05.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087282_Untitled-Scanned-06.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087283_Untitled-Scanned-07.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087284_Untitled-Scanned-08.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087285_Untitled-Scanned-09.jpg

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087287_Untitled-Scanned-10.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087288_Untitled-Scanned-11.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087289_Untitled-Scanned-12.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087291_Untitled-Scanned-13.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087292_Untitled-Scanned-14.jpghttp://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16087293_Untitled-Scanned-16.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16087324_Untitled-Scanned-17.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16087325_Untitled-Scanned-18.jpg

In case everyone forgot, Ultimate Colossus beat the hell out of Ultimate Thor.

That either puts Ultimate Piotr way up there, or Ultimate Thor down a notch or two.

Note that Thor was trying extremely hard not to hurt them and was mostly on the defensive.

This was also during the time he was mortal:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16087344_Untitled-Scanned-17.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16087345_Untitled-Scanned-18.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16087347_Untitled-Scanned-19.jpg

"...to be the most powerful superhuman on the planet."

Originally posted by ColossusGrundy
In case everyone forgot, Ultimate Colossus beat the hell out of Ultimate Thor.

That either puts Ultimate Piotr way up there, or Ultimate Thor down a notch or two.

Yea, Colossus like Thing got a power boost in the Ultimate Universe. However, he was using a mutant super drug to boost his strength.

I'd like to see how that fight would go against the real Thor, especially since he's past the hippie/pacifist phase. Tbf though, it was an off panel second hand account from Hawkeye and Thor was fine IIRC, but it's been a while.

Colossus was beastly...and gay, but whatever. He stonewalled a charging ironman and tore Wolverine's leg off also.

Yeah, and derailed a speeding train with just a push of his shoulder. He still got merked by Ultimate Juggernaut though.

Colossus made short work of Ironman and Thor. Hell, he tanked a blast from both Ironman and Thor.

Not sure what you're talking about Carver, this is the only time we saw them interacting:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Ultimate%20Colossus/ColossuandThor2.jpg

According to Hawkeye he was winning but ending it?

I'm too lazy to double check, but did the Ultimate Abomination take out Colossus and the X-men (Ultimate Hulk owned him though)? I remember him bringing them in or something in chains.

Never saw that showing before. I'm talking about the fight where the Avengers raided the Xmansion and Thor and Ironman tries to jump Colossus. If that's the scene you posted with that scan (to small)...then let me know...if not, I can post it.

That's the only Thor/Colossus one I know of. If I'm missing anything, go ahead and post it please.

Again Rage, I am unsure of your scan, too small for me to see but this is the encounter that happened before Colossus worked Thor. If anyone have the scene after this, it would be helpful.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/user/carver9/media/2392329-ult__colus_vs_ironman_001_zpsd50e970c.jpg.html

He scrubbed up Ironman and tanked his attack. Also, there is more proof that Colossus is>>>>>Thor. Their showings against Magneto. Magneto worked Thor twice and at one point, threw him in the core of the planet (If anyone would like scans, please let me know). The other time, he defeated him with his own hammer. Colossus faced him and powered through Magneto attack.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Not sure what you're talking about Carver, this is the only time we saw them interacting:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Ultimate%20Colossus/ColossuandThor2.jpg

According to Hawkeye he was winning but ending it?

I'm too lazy to double check, but did the Ultimate Abomination take out Colossus and the X-men (Ultimate Hulk owned him though)? I remember him bringing them in or something in chains.

It wasn't just Abomination iirc. Some other heavy hitters from that group helped I think.

Yeah Ultimate Hulk absolutely massacred him. Tore off his arms and then punched his head off.

Good discussion and fun debate to read but what I'm curious about, and what could decide the answer to this question is how powerful is Supreme Powers Hyperion?

The one that Ultimate Thor fought, that seems to be the strongest character he's faced in battle.

How does Supreme Powers Hyperion stack up in comparison to 616 Hyperion?

Is he equal, stronger, or weaker?

Originally posted by ODG
They just pulled an "I've always been holding back" in the latest Ultimates #26. So who knows anymore:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/UltimateThor01.jpg

Which issue is this?

Originally posted by Sensui
Good discussion and fun debate to read but what I'm curious about, and what could decide the answer to this question is how powerful is Supreme Powers Hyperion?

The one that Ultimate Thor fought, that seems to be the strongest character he's faced in battle.

How does Supreme Powers Hyperion stack up in comparison to 616 Hyperion?

Is he equal, stronger, or weaker?

Depends on how you look at it. Supreme imo is easily Mid Herald based off of his showings...people could argue he's in.the high Herald tier. The only two bad showings I can think of is his showing against Thing (which had context) and that's probably the only showing that I can think of outside of his other fights, etc.

im curious given the flow of the conversation. are we more or less in agreement that this version of thor is more powerful if not just more of a threat after using his powers threw mystical means and not threw technology? with the shift of his personality into a more violent person I can see where it could be argued he Is simply not holding back opposed to getting some sort of upgrade, more exotic uses of his power aside.

Originally posted by Sensui
Good discussion and fun debate to read but what I'm curious about, and what could decide the answer to this question is how powerful is Supreme Powers Hyperion?

The one that Ultimate Thor fought, that seems to be the strongest character he's faced in battle.

How does Supreme Powers Hyperion stack up in comparison to 616 Hyperion?

Is he equal, stronger, or weaker?
SS hyperion at half his strength owned supreme power hyperion.Originally posted by carver9
Depends on how you look at it. Supreme imo is easily Mid Herald based off of his showings...people could argue he's in.the high Herald tier. The only two bad showings I can think of is his showing against Thing (which had context) and that's probably the only showing that I can think of outside of his other fights, etc.
facepalm

Originally posted by curryman
Which issue is this?

He...he says it in the post before the scan. Ultimates #26.

Originally posted by Digi
He...he says it in the post before the scan. Ultimates #26.

Right, I only checked the first few pages and Thor's all suited up there, so I assumed it was in reference to another post.

could ultimate thor beat Thor from Dc?

He would kill Thor from DC. Rage got me interested in UT.

ok what about Gladiator?

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
ok what about Gladiator?

I don't know. Looking at Rage scans, they made UT a true God...pretty much unstoppable.

for him to be Marvel's equivalent to Superman he gets his ass handed to him alot

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
for him to be Marvel's equivalent to Superman he gets his ass handed to him alot

When?

http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/gladiatorstrength.jpg That looked incredibly painful.
http://i.imgur.com/DXI5z.jpg
colossus made that look even more painful

and i cant find the scan but im 85 percent sure that juggernaught kicked the shit out of him

Originally posted by SevenShackles
im curious given the flow of the conversation. are we more or less in agreement that this version of thor is more powerful if not just more of a threat after using his powers threw mystical means and not threw technology? with the shift of his personality into a more violent person I can see where it could be argued he Is simply not holding back opposed to getting some sort of upgrade, more exotic uses of his power aside.

Yeah he seems to be a completely different beast when he's a true God.

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/gladiatorstrength.jpg That looked incredibly painful.
http://i.imgur.com/DXI5z.jpg
colossus made that look even more painful

and i cant find the scan but im 85 percent sure that juggernaught kicked the shit out of him
I get what your trying to say but using scans of a pissed hulk and Pheonix Force Colossus (Namor is also in that mugging) beating on gladiator doesn't really make him look weak as it makes him look durable to even take those beatings.

Plus always thought despite the possible intention behind the character that comparing him to superman is abit unfair. Gladiator has a built in reason to be acceptably low balled when needed with the 'confidence' stipulations on his power.

i think gladiator ia a blatant superman rip-off.not as blatant as Sentry BUT STILL pretty obvious. And pissed off hulk i can see him losing But Colossus? Freaking Colossus?

LOL...Gladiator taking a beating from two Phoenix force users that was one shotting Heralds left and right isn't a low showing...hell, its pretty high looking at the people they one shotted. In the same comic, it was stated that Gladiator can rip a blackhole in half and turn moons to dust with his fist.

Also, losing to Hulk isn't a bad showing. Hulk has WTF stomped almost every Herald in Marvel.

LOL...Juggernaut and Gladiator never fought.

What other showings do you have?

Originally posted by carver9
LOL...Gladiator taking a beating from two Phoenix force users that was one shotting Heralds left and right isn't a low showing...hell, its pretty high looking at the people they one shotted. In the same comic, it was stated that Gladiator can rip a blackhole in half and turn moons to dust with his fist.

Also, losing to Hulk isn't a bad showing. Hulk has WTF stomped almost every Herald in Marvel.

LOL...Juggernaut and Gladiator never fought.

What other showings do you have?
Exactly.

Ultimate Thor wouldn't beat Gladiator.

lol @ wanking the beating he got from the P5 though.

Originally posted by iscaremonkeys
for him to be Marvel's equivalent to Superman he gets his ass handed to him alot

the problem is that he's not marvel's equivalent at all anymore.