Shang Chi vs Lady Shiva

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jitay
Both at the Peak of their Game

Full Brutality

No BFR/PIS/CIS

pym-ftw
Shang

abhilegend
Shiva.

Golgo13
Shiva.

beatboks
Shiva, Shang may be good on paper but he has NOWHERE NEAR the feats of Shiva.

Daredevil1
Shang Chi wins.

srankmissingnin
Originally posted by beatboks
Shiva, Shang may be good on paper but he has NOWHERE NEAR the feats of Shiva.

laughing

What?

Even ignoring his skill feats (which are better than Shivas) Shang-Chi has a collection of insane superman physical feats. Let me know when Shiva gets uppercut a hundred thousand feat into the air and survives, or spins around so fast she becomes a mini tornado. Shang-Chi would run ragged all over Shiva.

pym-ftw
Originally posted by beatboks
Shiva, Shang may be good on paper but he has NOWHERE NEAR the feats of Shiva.

Respectfully what feats are you talking about?

Shang is closer to IF/KK than comic level peak human...imho

Sixth_Winged
lol shang.

JakeTheBank
Shang-Chi. erm

Alias Stone
Shang

cdtm
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
laughing

What?

Even ignoring his skill feats (which are better than Shivas) Shang-Chi has a collection of insane superman physical feats. Let me know when Shiva gets uppercut a hundred thousand feat into the air and survives, or spins around so fast she becomes a mini tornado. Shang-Chi would run ragged all over Shiva.

http://rumbles.fr.yuku.com/domain/bypass/images/thumbsup.gif

celeyhyga17
Shang has stooped KK like feats.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-LPXmUohNWAo/UQP5ZrAngoI/AAAAAAAAK5I/occvWYVK3qs/s1600/avengers3c+shang+chi+aleph.jpg

namorsubby
Should i show Shivas fight against Shadowdragon? Or her owning Katana speed-wise right after she deflects machine gunfire with swords?

pym-ftw
Sure...

Q99
Originally posted by namorsubby
Should i show Shivas fight against Shadowdragon?


Definitely.

Shadowdragon is certainly some of Shiva's best stuff, considering he gave Superman a little trouble.

Smurph
Bump

StiltmanFTW
Shang rapes her.

Zack M
Shiva is all poison. She wins.

namorsubby
Shiva

Dareangel
Shang Chi

Supermutant
A decent argument can be made for either.

panthergod
yeah, Shiva. EASILY. Shang is sub Batman level.

spetznaz

Zack M
Other than Shiva completely owning Batman (League of Shadows arc)? Batman is in god tier when it comes to MA.

Genii96
Shang

Zack M
Shiva also fought the Gotham Knights by herself, including Cassandra Cain and Azrael.

Raisen
i'm the biggest DC fan on these boards but I'm also honest. Shang destroys her

deathslash
Shang takes this rather solidly.

abhilegend
How?

Raisen
Originally posted by abhilegend
How?

with his furious yellow fists

Zack M
Originally posted by deathslash
Shang takes this rather solidly.

Doubtful.

Raisen
Originally posted by Zack M
Doubtful.

DC is pretty hax huh?

Zack M
I would have given Shang the sleight edge, but after League of Shadows are, Shiva reclaimed her top spot by actual feats.

spetznaz

RadZoa
Bruce would slap Shang around quite easily, so anyone who could give him difficulty would be too much for Shang

Zack M
DC does this with their Martial Artists as well. Look at Karate Kid, Batman, Shiva, Azrael, Jason (and his teachers, the All Caste), Cassandra, etc...

I don't see Shang beating someone who took on the entire Gotham Knights (Including Clayface) at once.

Zack M
I forgot to add Ra's Al Ghul to that list. In League of Shadows arc, it was revealed that he knew backwards magic (think Zatanna).

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
DC does this with their Martial Artists as well. Look at Karate Kid, Batman, Shiva, Azrael, Jason (and his teachers, the All Caste), Cassandra, etc...

I don't see Shang beating someone who took on the entire Gotham Knights (Including Clayface) at once. you still haven't posted the scans of this.

Zack M
Here are other martial artists with powers:

Judomaster (Can't be hit and here is her explanation)

https://i.imgur.com/TbZrnui.jpg

Original Judomaster. Got out of unbreakable chains by controlling her every molecule and phasing.

https://i.imgur.com/NeMQbEl.jpg

Sa'ar the Ageless (Easily owned Shiva and Martian Manhunter)

https://i.imgur.com/TtUmHyL.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/TCwSwnX.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/AiKVWhK.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9QMMCAJ.jpg

Sensei (has Chi powers)

https://i.imgur.com/cwFoWSU.jpg

Zack M
Durca and the All-Caste (Also known as cosmic monks)

https://i.imgur.com/NJZxnnB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/G18lIon.jpg

I-Ching (Who has mystical attacks)

https://i.imgur.com/1yrSvKO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KdWLlkI.jpg

deathslash
What does any of this have to do with Shiva?

Zack M
Shiva owning Batman (DCnU/rejuvenated Batman, at that)

https://i.imgur.com/KgFLQay.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8O2i8ZP.jpg

Ra's knows magic.

https://i.imgur.com/ApMXyxV.jpg

Zack M
Originally posted by deathslash
What does any of this have to do with Shiva?

Read what I wrote to the other poster.

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
Shiva owning Batman (DCnU/rejuvenated Batman, at that)

https://i.imgur.com/KgFLQay.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/8O2i8ZP.jpg

Ra's knows magic.

https://i.imgur.com/ApMXyxV.jpg good technique in that first scan, but no much to go off of.

And she beat this team on panel?

Not applicable to this fight and fairly off topic.
Originally posted by Zack M
Read what I wrote to the other poster. I did read what you wrote and while it's true that Marvel doesn't own a monopoly on magic using martial artists, I'd prefer that we stay on topic.

Zack M
Yeah, she basically held off the team. It's not the first time she beat a slew of streets, either. I think it was Ra's who shot her, while she was distracted. I'll need to double check. Either way, she owned one of the toughest martial artists in comics. I don't see Shang doing that, especially after DC said Batman was a meta.

Supermutant
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/144096/4481560-8192016704-twohi.jpg

DarkSaint85
Yeah - Shiva gave Jason the cheat codes to beat her tho....

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
Yeah, she basically held off the team. It's not the first time she beat a slew of streets, either. I think it was Ra's who shot her, while she was distracted. I'll need to double check. Either way, she owned one of the toughest martial artists in comics. I don't see Shang doing that, especially after DC said Batman was a meta. laughing out loud
He can apparently chew through steel.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/599382fa64eb2c32df93e5b256c1b5c50ca79a2d_hq.jpg

Tanks a bear hug from the thing.
https://m.imgur.com/plTqnuN

Blocks a punch from a bloodlusted Heroim.
https://m.imgur.com/NS5LjrC
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412713521?list=post-94595957_5795
And he's still conscious after getting slammed into Tarantula too. Please notice her statement. Just getting barely tapped by Heroin was enough to nearly knock her out and take her out of fighting condition. This is after he got backhanded by Heroim too.

Kicks Rulk into a mountain.
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412713493?list=post-94595957_5795

Easily goes through an Aleph.
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412713661?list=post-94595957_5795

Beats on Gorgon better than Elektra and Wolverine did. Note how he can draw on the skills of past martial arts TS and even use chi blasts.
https://m.imgur.com/TantRC0
https://m.imgur.com/ksuMUQj
https://m.imgur.com/PtxEqg0

Uses the environment to beat Wolverine.
https://m.imgur.com/TpAxz9t
https://m.imgur.com/iDoLMhm

Owns three villains at once (one of whom gave spider-man trouble).
https://m.imgur.com/STT4BPl

Zaran is a bullet timer.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/326b3274e8fe6e258cc4343a6ef49b925c7a9568_hq.jpg

Shang easily beats him.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/f2b844a0087b100bf323fc9cbb4bc6bf4583fdad_hq.jpg

Shang owns a few villains including a doombot.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/a12446147fb64ff2177ab2d5f90f609e6acc4568_hq.jpg
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412712683?list=post-94595957_5792
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412712688?list=post-94595957_5792
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412712690?list=post-94595957_5792&z=photo-94595957_412712690%2Fpost-94595957_5792

Supermutant
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah - Shiva gave Jason the cheat codes to beat her tho....

in 1 shot tho reminds me of this

http://i.imgur.com/Bcm4T4zh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UtfrXzFh.jpg

Zack M
Originally posted by deathslash
laughing out loud
He can apparently chew through steel.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/599382fa64eb2c32df93e5b256c1b5c50ca79a2d_hq.jpg

Tanks a bear hug from the thing.
https://m.imgur.com/plTqnuN

Blocks a punch from a bloodlusted Heroim.
https://m.imgur.com/NS5LjrC
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412713521?list=post-94595957_5795
And he's still conscious after getting slammed into Tarantula too. Please notice her statement. Just getting barely tapped by Heroin was enough to nearly knock her out and take her out of fighting condition. This is after he got backhanded by Heroim too.

Kicks Rulk into a mountain.
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412713493?list=post-94595957_5795

Easily goes through an Aleph.
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412713661?list=post-94595957_5795

Beats on Gorgon better than Elektra and Wolverine did. Note how he can draw on the skills of past martial arts TS and even use chi blasts.
https://m.imgur.com/TantRC0
https://m.imgur.com/ksuMUQj
https://m.imgur.com/PtxEqg0

Uses the environment to beat Wolverine.
https://m.imgur.com/TpAxz9t
https://m.imgur.com/iDoLMhm

Owns three villains at once (one of whom gave spider-man trouble).
https://m.imgur.com/STT4BPl

Zaran is a bullet timer.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/326b3274e8fe6e258cc4343a6ef49b925c7a9568_hq.jpg

Shang easily beats him.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/f2b844a0087b100bf323fc9cbb4bc6bf4583fdad_hq.jpg

Shang owns a few villains including a doombot.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6338/a12446147fb64ff2177ab2d5f90f609e6acc4568_hq.jpg
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412712683?list=post-94595957_5792
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412712688?list=post-94595957_5792
https://m.vk.com/photo-94595957_412712690?list=post-94595957_5792&z=photo-94595957_412712690%2Fpost-94595957_5792

Those are good feats against non skilled opponents, but has Shang owned someone on Batman level? Cassandra level?

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
Those are good feats against non skilled opponents, but has Shang owned someone on Batman level? Cassandra level? *unskilled
*Gorgon easily owned Wolverine and Elektra

*Unskilled
*Zaran blocks a barrage of bullets with curved swords

*Unskilled
*Uses the evironment to gain the upper hand against Wolverine

https://i.yomyomf.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SC-vsIF.jpg

Flyattractor
I vote for Shang because he has Mystical Kung Fu 70's Figthing Skills. Shiva just has Fan Girl Aura Wank.

StiltmanFTW
Ruby Thursday was pretty formidable too... and got one-shotted.

Zack M
Originally posted by deathslash
*unskilled
*Gorgon easily owned Wolverine and Elektra

*Unskilled
*Zaran blocks a barrage of bullets with curved swords

*Unskilled
*Uses the evironment to gain the upper hand against Wolverine

https://i.yomyomf.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/SC-vsIF.jpg

He didn't really own Gorgon, though. He eventually lost. Zaran? Not as skilled as Shiva.

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
He didn't really own Gorgon, though. He eventually lost. Zaran? Not as skilled as Shiva. the fact that he lost doesn't diminish the fact that Gorgon had more trouble with him than he had against wolverine and Elektra combined. It doesn't diminish the fact that he dropped him to a knee; the very same guy that isn't even annoyed with getting gutted or punch by multi tonners got dropped to his knee.

erm
Don't change goalposts. You said "unskilled" opponents. I easily proved you wrong by bringing up that the supposedly "unskilled" guy that blocks a barrage of bullets with swords is the exact opposite of what you claimed him to be.

I also have yet to see you bring up Shang getting the advantage over Logan or stalemating Iron Fist.

Here's another example of his skill. He has a solid advantage over Ghost Maker. It gets to the point where GM has to forgo honor and use weaponry to survive/escape.
https://m.imgur.com/a/rdb8H
Shang got two of his ribs broken when he was distracted and still easily beat him.

For reference, here's Daredevil and then Elektra and daredevil vs Ghost Maker.
https://m.imgur.com/a/mnGSz

Matt was on the losing end of the fight and Elektra and Matt together had a tough time against him.

Zack M
Originally posted by deathslash
the fact that he lost doesn't diminish the fact that Gorgon had more trouble with him than he had against wolverine and Elektra combined. It doesn't diminish the fact that he dropped him to a knee; the very same guy that isn't even annoyed with getting gutted or punch by multi tonners got dropped to his knee.

erm
Don't change goalposts. You said "unskilled" opponents. I easily proved you wrong by bringing up that the supposedly "unskilled" guy that blocks a barrage of bullets with swords is the exact opposite of what you claimed him to be.

I also have yet to see you bring up Shang getting the advantage over Logan or stalemating Iron Fist.

Here's another example of his skill. He has a solid advantage over Ghost Maker. It gets to the point where GM has to forgo honor and use weaponry to survive/escape.
https://m.imgur.com/a/rdb8H
Shang got two of his ribs broken when he was distracted and still easily beat him.

For reference, here's Daredevil and then Elektra and daredevil vs Ghost Maker.
https://m.imgur.com/a/mnGSz

Matt was on the losing end of the fight and Elektra and Matt together had a tough time against him.

I wouldn't say any of those are as skilled as Bruce. Shiva also had an easy time fighting off his team, which I don't see Shang doing.

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
I wouldn't say any of those are as skilled as Bruce. Shiva also had an easy time fighting off his team, which I don't see Shang doing. alright then. I see that your opinion forms the foundation of who you believe wins this fight, so I'm just going to stop trying to reason with you. no expression

Zack M
Originally posted by deathslash
alright then. I see that your opinion forms the foundation of who you believe wins this fight, so I'm just going to stop trying to reason with you. no expression

You've given some good chi feats and whatnot, but some streets (Cassandra) have the same feats. Shiva owned them. I don't see Shang having a solid majority. Not at all. You'd be a fool for thinking that.

deathslash
Originally posted by Zack M
You've given some good chi feats and whatnot, but some streets (Cassandra) have the same feats. Shiva owned them. I don't see Shang having a solid majority. Not at all. You'd be a fool for thinking that. if that's what it takes to help you sleep at night, then sure, shang can't win. It's not like he easily owned a martial artist that gave Elektra and Daredevil a tough fight (while weakened). He totally doesn't posses the ability to chi amp to the point where he can oneshot her. He absolutely didn't floor a martial artist to that kicked the crap out of Wolverine and Elektra at the same time or anything. He most certainly doesn't have the durability to walk off hits from 50 tonners or anything. It's not like Shiva lacks any actual superhuman feats like he has or anything.

If you want to keep on believing that the girl that only has skill and nothing else beats the guy that has skill, mystical powers, and the ability to amp himself to superhuman levels, that's fine by me. But I won't continue to sit here and list feat after feat that puts Shang above the person that you're backing only for you to reply with "hmmmm.......... but I don't think it's that impressive, so Shiva wins.".

Zack M
Originally posted by deathslash
if that's what it takes to help you sleep at night, then sure, shang can't win. It's not like he easily owned a martial artist that gave Elektra and Daredevil a tough fight (while weakened). He totally doesn't posses the ability to chi amp to the point where he can oneshot her. He absolutely didn't floor a martial artist to that kicked the crap out of Wolverine and Elektra at the same time or anything. He most certainly doesn't have the durability to walk off hits from 50 tonners or anything. It's not like Shiva lacks any actual superhuman feats like he has or anything.

If you want to keep on believing that the girl that only has skill and nothing else beats the guy that has skill, mystical powers, and the ability to amp himself to superhuman levels, that's fine by me. But I won't continue to sit here and list feat after feat that puts Shang above the person that you're backing only for you to reply with "hmmmm.......... but I don't think it's that impressive, so Shiva wins.".

Then show it. Who has he owned that is equal to Batman and Cassandra Cain? I never said Shang couldn't win, but he won't win the majority against the likes of Shiva.

Zack M
BTW, walking away from 50 tonners? Batman has taken hits from WONDER WOMAN. That's cute, deathlash. laughing out loud

Oh, and Batman has done decently well against Karate Kid. This is the type of fighter Shiva OWNED.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Zack M
BTW, walking away from 50 tonners? Batman has taken hits from WONDER WOMAN. That's cute, deathlash. laughing out loud

Oh, and Batman has done decently well against Karate Kid. This is the type of fighter Shiva OWNED.

Shiva doesn't get Batman feats any more than Shang gets Spiderman or Iron Fist both who he has stalemated.

Zack M
Originally posted by Supermutant
Shiva doesn't get Batman feats any more than Shang gets Spiderman or Iron Fist both who he has stalemated.

My point is that taking hits from 50 tonners isn't really going to dictate the fight or mean much, because Shiva has ways to kill Shang through skill. Batman has tanked hits from 100 tonners and he was at Shiva's mercy. And it wasn't all that hard for her, too.

Supermutant
And let's not forget that Batman has beaten her one on one and Cass has done the same.

Again playing that game tho Shang made Spider-man see stars, dodged a couple of his attacks at close range, cut his webbing with just his fists, and evenly exchange blows with him.

https://imgur.com/a/bm5Uq

Zack M
Shiva said the only reason they won the previous times, is because she let them. wink

She could have easily killed the Bat-Family.

Supermutant
Originally posted by Zack M
Shiva said the only reason they won the previous times, is because she let them. wink

She could have easily killed the Bat-Family.

And you believe that laughing out loud That's nothing more than a unsupported prideful boast, like when Batman told Catman and Bane on different occasions that he let them win. When in the actually matches it makes no sense to lose and be at the mercy of villains who wouldn't hesitate to kill you. Shiva is a top notch fighter but so is Shang who really doesn't have low showings. You go to far when stating that she could beat the entire bat-family on her own when Batman or Cass has defeated her one on one on numerous occasions.

I guess she wanted to be defeated and handcuffed.

https://imgur.com/a/qxt1y

May have been brain washed here or just motivated by the bounty:

http://i.imgur.com/W1ee2MYh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/viZhglhh.jpg

There's also more like Huntress stalemating her by fighting dirty or Katanna near death owning her and making her retreat. Don't get infatuated with one good showing and ignore after else. Happens to much around here, reminds me of that Mera nonsense.

deathslash
Originally posted by Supermutant
And you believe that laughing out loud That's nothing more than a unsupported prideful boast, like when Batman told Catman and Bane on different occasions that he let them win. When in the actually matches it makes no sense to lose and be at the mercy of villains who wouldn't hesitate to kill you. Shiva is a top notch fighter but so is Shang who really doesn't have low showings. You go to far when stating that she could beat the entire bat-family on her own when Batman or Cass has defeated her one on one on numerous occasions.

I guess she wanted to be defeated and handcuffed.

https://imgur.com/a/qxt1y

May have been brain washed here or just motivated by the bounty:

http://i.imgur.com/W1ee2MYh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/viZhglhh.jpg

There's also more like Huntress stalemating her by fighting dirty or Katanna near death owning her and making her retreat. Don't get infatuated with one good showing and ignore after else. Happens to much around here, reminds me of that Mera nonsense. thumb up wasn't there also that time when someone knocked her out with a chair? Oh, and that time when Tim Drake beat her with his bo staff.

abhilegend
None of Shang's feats hold a candle to Batman and Shiva easily owned him.

Shang gets his shit kicked in.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Supermutant
And you believe that laughing out loud That's nothing more than a unsupported prideful boast, like when Batman told Catman and Bane on different occasions that he let them win. When in the actually matches it makes no sense to lose and be at the mercy of villains who wouldn't hesitate to kill you. Shiva is a top notch fighter but so is Shang who really doesn't have low showings. You go to far when stating that she could beat the entire bat-family on her own when Batman or Cass has defeated her one on one on numerous occasions.

I guess she wanted to be defeated and handcuffed.

https://imgur.com/a/qxt1y

May have been brain washed here or just motivated by the bounty:

http://i.imgur.com/W1ee2MYh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/viZhglhh.jpg

There's also more like Huntress stalemating her by fighting dirty or Katanna near death owning her and making her retreat. Don't get infatuated with one good showing and ignore after else. Happens to much around here, reminds me of that Mera nonsense.
She was mindcontrolled. Although it's better than Old man Steve beating two of Shang's clones who had his skills or Wolverine beating him in one page.

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174290-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-016.jpg
https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174289-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-017.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174288-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-018.jpg

Or Shang having an even-ish fight with Hawkeye.

cdtm
Hated that scene. Makes it look like he was outplayed, when he was actually betrayed by Sue.

Wasn't Vision on Steve's team? Couldn't he phase through shields?

celeyhyga17
Interesting. Punching clones for one panel means beating them.

Zack M
Originally posted by Supermutant
And you believe that laughing out loud That's nothing more than a unsupported prideful boast, like when Batman told Catman and Bane on different occasions that he let them win. When in the actually matches it makes no sense to lose and be at the mercy of villains who wouldn't hesitate to kill you. Shiva is a top notch fighter but so is Shang who really doesn't have low showings. You go to far when stating that she could beat the entire bat-family on her own when Batman or Cass has defeated her one on one on numerous occasions.

I guess she wanted to be defeated and handcuffed.

https://imgur.com/a/qxt1y

May have been brain washed here or just motivated by the bounty:

http://i.imgur.com/W1ee2MYh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/viZhglhh.jpg

There's also more like Huntress stalemating her by fighting dirty or Katanna near death owning her and making her retreat. Don't get infatuated with one good showing and ignore after else. Happens to much around here, reminds me of that Mera nonsense.

Maybe. How can you go from losing to Batman to utterly owning him? Its not like she was amped or anything.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
None of Shang's feats hold a candle to Batman and Shiva easily owned him.

Shang gets his shit kicked in. ABC logic presented as fact.

Opinion presented as fact.Originally posted by abhilegend
She was mindcontrolled. Although it's better than Old man Steve beating two of Shang's clones who had his skills or Wolverine beating him in one page.

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174290-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-016.jpg
https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174289-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-017.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174288-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-018.jpg

Or Shang having an even-ish fight with Hawkeye. she barely had the upper hand against Strix....
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/134077/6009750-rco015_1464196220.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/134077/6009752-rco018_1464196220.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/134077/6009754-rco019_1464196220.jpg

Zack M
Strix isn't a low feat. She has a good healing factor and decades worth of experience. She took down the entire Birds of Prey for crying out loud. She'd give Shang a run for his money, too.

cdtm
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Interesting. Punching clones for one panel means beating them.

It's the same thing as Prometheus using Batman's skills and being beaten by Cap. Or Thor beating a Thanos clone. Or a team of Cage, Logan, and Iron Fist beating a Thor clone.

Supermutant
Originally posted by abhilegend
She was mindcontrolled. Although it's better than Old man Steve beating two of Shang's clones who had his skills or Wolverine beating him in one page.

https://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174290-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-016.jpg
https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174289-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-017.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/5174288-new+avengers+(2013-)+028-018.jpg

Or Shang having an even-ish fight with Hawkeye.

lol really a clone, that's your best attempt to low ball Shang. Especially when the real Shang had a very even although brief sparring match with Steve.

http://i.imgur.com/pvTdPnIh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FNL6g4sh.jpg

lol again Shang didn't even know who Wolverine was, and this was feral Wolverine. Plus Shang had just fought a gang of Ninjas with high tech weapons. Shang has since defeated Wolverine using the environment and Logan even went to Shang to re-train him in martial arts. The most important thing though is that Wolverine would beat Shiva, so that has no bearing on this match.

http://panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/148145420185/shang-chi-vs-wolverine-from-x-men-1991-62

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by cdtm
It's the same thing as Prometheus using Batman's skills and being beaten by Cap. Or Thor beating a Thanos clone. Or a team of Cage, Logan, and Iron Fist beating a Thor clone.
That wasn't the point.

cdtm
A shang clone isn't Shang, is mine. Not unless beating Ragnarok is the same as beating Thor.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by cdtm
A shang clone isn't Shang, is mine. Not unless beating Ragnarok is the same as beating Thor.
thumb up
That's the obvious.

I was merely pointing out that even the panel itself was so inconclusive and just silly to extrapolate wins and losses from it. Aside from them being clones, it was just one indeterminate panel of which was part of a messy big team battle.

StiltmanFTW
Yeah, it's like saying that Sunspot has just beat the Hulk there. Effortlessly. With a one-shot.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
ABC logic presented as fact.


How is defeating Batman easily ABC comparison?

As if Strix is some kind of low showing. In the previous issue She oneshotted Black Alice with Cheetah's powers.

http://imgur.com/a/TWE7b

Shang wishes he was that skilled.

StiltmanFTW
Ragnarok comes out on 3rd in India, abhi?

Zack M
Originally posted by abhilegend
How is defeating Batman easily ABC comparison?

As if Strix is some kind of low showing. In the previous issue She oneshotted Black Alice with Cheetah's powers.

http://imgur.com/a/TWE7b

Shang wishes he was that skilled.

I forgot about that feat. Shiva is a beast.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Supermutant
lol really a clone, that's your best attempt to low ball Shang. Especially when the real Shang had a very even although brief sparring match with Steve.

http://i.imgur.com/pvTdPnIh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/FNL6g4sh.jpg


That only shows Cap holds back usually.

So many excuses.

So has Batman gone to Shiva for training and she defeated him straight up.

Not with his skills. Maybe with attrition but he isn't beating Batman either in straight up MA fight much less Shiva.

abhilegend
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ragnarok comes out on 3rd in India, abhi?
Yes, why?

StiltmanFTW
Just can't wait till we can laugh at thorbags together love

abhilegend
Hulk was robbed from a true victory I heard.

StiltmanFTW
Yeah, he was. But he still smashed the blonde whore a lot, leaving her bruised like Rihanna (ok, not *that* bad) and tanked all of her feeble strikes, you'll love it.

Supermutant
Originally posted by abhilegend
That only shows Cap holds back usually.

It also shows how a Shang clone is not close to the real thing, and its laughable you would even try to pass it off as such.



laughing just proper context for your failed attempt to low ball



And lost to him



Batman is not in this fight. Or Batman can be in this fight using your logic and so can Spiderman. Shiva has no chance against Spiderman so how could she have any chance against someone who stalemated him. Your ABC logic at work thumbup1

abhilegend
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, he was. But he still smashed the blonde whore a lot, leaving her bruised like Rihanna (ok, not *that* bad) and tanked all of her feeble strikes, you'll love it.
Sounds like a treat.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Supermutant
It also shows how a Shang clone is not close to the real thing, and its laughable you would even try to pass it off as such.


They were created from his mind and they had all his skills. There is nothing indicating they were lesser. It was the power of self replication after all.











Retconned away.

Stalemating someone and beating someone are two different things.

Batman has stalemated Wonder Woman in a fight. So lets put wonder woman here too.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by abhilegend
There is nothing indicating they were lesser.

Common sense.

If they were Superman clones, you'd have this entire board burned to the ground for daring to suggest they were equal to the original.

Supermutant
Originally posted by abhilegend
They were created from his mind and they had all his skills. There is nothing indicating they were lesser. It was the power of self replication after all.

lol there is nothing indicating they even had 1/10 of his skills. Unless you are suggesting that clones automatically equal their original, in that case Bizarro says "Goodbye."



That's very convenient and only brought up by the losing side. That would also take away half of Shiva's feats.



Wow nothing gets passed you. cool Spiderman>>Batman Now ask yourself is beating Batman better than stalemating Spidey or is Bane better than Venom Brock-- your logic



Spiderman has beaten Firelord so he belongs here as well. Or your logic continues to fail. I'm good with either.

abhilegend
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Common sense.

If they were Superman clones, you'd have this entire board burned to the ground for daring to suggest they were equal to the original.
Correction, they were replica of himself. Like Multiple Man.

There was no sign they were any less skilled.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
Correction, they were replica of himself. Like Multiple Man.

There was no sign they were any less skilled. any statement saying that they were as skilled?

abhilegend
Originally posted by Supermutant
lol there is nothing indicating they even had 1/10 of his skills. Unless you are suggesting that clones automatically equal their original, in that case Bizarro says "Goodbye."


Except they were exact replicas ala Madrox. Show us where they were shown to be less skilled.

She was retconned as letting Batman win. Not retconning her fights.

Spider-Man in 70s and 80s had a very poor record against MAs. Shang stalemated him and then Daredevil outright defeated him when he wasn't holding back and totally angry. Don't even let start on Fancy Dan.

So yes, beating Batman is better in that context.

I'm not taking wonder woman's feats here am I?

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
any statement saying that they were as skilled?
They were exact replicas in every way. Is there a statement of them being less skilled?

Supermutant
Originally posted by abhilegend
Except they were exact replicas ala Madrox. Show us where they were shown to be less skilled.

lol now they are "exact replicas" like that makes a different. These featless "exact replicas" who didn't show any kind of ability to use chi or any fighting skill suppose to equal the real deal. lol And its on you to prove that these "replicas" are equal to Shang in any way.

Originally posted by abhilegend
She was retconned as letting Batman win. Not retconning her fights.

Now this is an excuse. Even though in the actual on panel fights it would make zero sense for her to lose on purpose. By the way if she was being mind controlled then she wouldn't have been able to let anything. If she wasn't being mind controlled then that 3 on panel 1-shots on 3 different occasions by 3 different opponents. So which is it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Spider-Man in 70s and 80s had a very poor record against MAs. Shang stalemated him and then Daredevil outright defeated him when he wasn't holding back and totally angry. Don't even let start on Fancy Dan.

So yes, beating Batman is better in that context.

laughing out loud at you mentioning context. Plus Shang has other fight feats like easily defeating Crossbones, easily 1-shotting Falcon, beating down Paladin who had just taken down Cap America, stalemating Iron Fist, even a mind controlled Shang was getting the upper hand on Danny recently as oppose to getting 1-shotted. Even in his defeat by Gorgon, Shang showed the ability to amp himself in mid battle quickly and take a great amount of punishment.

And by the way my stance from the beginning has been that either could defeat the other. My issue is with those who think this is a stomp on either side. There has been zero evidence to show that this would be a stomp when both characters entire history is look at. A character beating Batman doesn't mean that said character is thereby unbeatable, that horrible debating. Shiva has lost to less than Batman as well and stalemated by less.

Philosophía
I'd like to point out something that, from what I've noticed, everybody has missed in general.

Shiva beat Batman by targeting the shoulder/hand he was already hurt at from a previous issue. In fact, it was specifically shown that Shiva was observing Batman from the shadows when he was hit, and she takes him down by targeting that specific arm.

I don't have the scans since I'm not at home, but I'm sure one of you does. It takes place 1-2 issues before their fight on the roof.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Supermutant
lol now they are "exact replicas" like that makes a different. These featless "exact replicas" who didn't show any kind of ability to use chi or any fighting skill suppose to equal the real deal. lol And its on you to prove that these "replicas" are equal to Shang in any way.


They were exact replicas. Do you know what that means?

That's what the comics show and she defeated Batman in one panel after that.

So no, it's not an excuse.

Yeah he has sub Batman level feats. None of these suggests he can defeat Batman in one panel.

Do you want me to post Batman's feats?

This isn't a stomp but Shang isn't winning this.

Genii96
Does shang still have his cloning powers?

abhilegend
No

Supermutant
Originally posted by abhilegend
They were exact replicas. Do you know what that means?

That's what the comics show and she defeated Batman in one panel after that.

So no, it's not an excuse.

Yeah he has sub Batman level feats. None of these suggests he can defeat Batman in one panel.

Do you want me to post Batman's feats?

This isn't a stomp but Shang isn't winning this.

sad Your entire argument is based on someone not even in this thread. You can post all Batman's feats, he's still not fighting in this thread. Again Shiva doesn't get Batman feats anymore than Shang gets Spiderman or Ironfist feats.

Everything else you stated is more of the same. Its still laughable and wrong no matter how many times you type it. lol featless "exact replicas" that didn't even throw one chi amped punch. There is no evidence that they can even talk much less fight with Shang's skill and ability.

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