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Adam Warlock is gazing into the Infinity Orb and witnesses COIE in the DC Universe. After conquering tbe DCverse he sets his sights on the Marvelverse. Warlock summons the Infinity Watch to formulate a strategy. Gamora mentions seeing a team called "The Annihilators" in one of her time visions. Long story short the two teams join forces to take on the the Anti-Monitor. Who wins?

Does the Infinity Watch have the gems/can they form the original IG?

Originally posted by Cogito
Does the Infinity Watch have the gems/can they form the original IG? They have the gems, but the Living Tribunal's edict that the gems cannot be united is in effect.

AM stomps

He gets routed and repelled from the Marvelverse.

In a comic, they'd find a way. Realistically, though, even with the gems, nobody wielded them THAT well, and AM should destroy them.

Originally posted by Digi
In a comic, they'd find a way. Realistically, though, even with the gems, nobody wielded them THAT well, and AM should destroy them.

Is this AM at his normal power, or amped AM?

Judging from the OP, it looks like amped AM... lol

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Is this AM at his normal power, or amped AM?

Judging from the OP, it looks like amped AM... lol

In theory if this AM is meant to have consumed all the positive matter universes in DC before moving to Marvel, he should be slightly more powerful than his peak in COIE

Anti-Monitor comes to Marvelverse..............

and the LT BFR's him into a pocket universe and seals it off from all other realities allowing no one to enter or exit. The End.

Originally posted by zopzop
Anti-Monitor comes to Marvelverse..............

and the LT BFR's him into a pocket universe and seals it off from all other realities allowing no one to enter or exit. The End.


If not


Originally posted by Odekahn
AM stomps

Originally posted by Stoic
If not
Reed with the UN says "Hello".

Originally posted by zopzop
Reed with the UN says "Hello".

It's not like he survived something just as powerful, if not more powerful than the UN?

Originally posted by zopzop
Reed with the UN says "Hello".

Reed with the UN aren't in this thread?

Not sure about the team but we all know Reed "wmd" Richards would come up with some anti anti monitor device.

Originally posted by SquallX
It's not like he survived something just as powerful, if not more powerful than the UN?
Reed remade the multiverse with it. AM is screwed.Originally posted by Cogito
Reed with the UN aren't in this thread?
Warlock will summon him to help.

Did I really type "Reed...aren't"? Sheesh.

Also, no.

Warlock wins.

Originally posted by zopzop
Reed remade the multiverse with it. AM is screwed.
Warlock will summon him to help.

And the AM survived Creation Blast?

mmm

Doom.

Originally posted by SquallX
And the AM survived Creation Blast? Who did the creation blast kill ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Who did the creation blast kill ?

You're an idiot.

The Creation Blast, when it hit, destroyed the Pre-Crisis Era, and from that, the Post Crisis era was created.

Anti-Monitor took that blast head on.

Originally posted by SquallX
You're an idiot.

The Creation Blast, when it hit, destroyed the Pre-Crisis Era, and from that, the Post Crisis era was created.

Anti-Monitor took that blast head on. It killed no one. It was not meant to. The Spectre was not destroyed either. The Spectre purposely held back on Anti Monitor as the heroes dates were tied to his.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It killed no one. It was not meant to. The Spectre was not destroyed either. The Spectre purposely held back on Anti Monitor as the heroes dates were tied to his.

Am gonna go shoot myself now, that's how i feel after debating with you.

Originally posted by SquallX
Am gonna go shoot myself now, that's how i feel after debating with you. Its a fair question. You know it.

Originally posted by SquallX
Am gonna go shoot myself now, that's how i feel after debating with you.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Another victim.

Pym stops it

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Pym stops it

With his robots?

By bfr it from Eternity

Originally posted by pym-ftw
By bfr it from Eternity

When has he done this?

Obviously they will find some way to beat him like all these big comic events go.

Originally posted by Golgo13
When has he done this? Am loses.

Originally posted by Digi
In a comic, they'd find a way. Realistically, though, even with the gems, nobody wielded them THAT well, and AM should destroy them.

So, just this team? Gotta go with what Digi said.

Originally posted by Golgo13
So, just this team? Gotta go with what Digi said. Why ?

Originally posted by Golgo13
When has he done this?
Mighty Avenger, sorry I was watching Raw

He did it first to Creel and second to Ultron and 10,000 Jocasta's

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Mighty Avenger, sorry I was watching Raw

He did it first to Creel and second to Ultron and 10,000 Jocasta's

Would bfr even work with AM at his peak?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Would bfr even work with AM at his peak? Why wouldn't it ?

Originally posted by Golgo13
Would bfr even work with AM at his peak?
Don't know why not, at the very least it would drag AM to the Abstracts...

And they can fight it out, outside of the Marvel verse

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Don't know why not, at the very least it would drag AM to the Abstracts...

And they can fight it out, outside of the Marvel verse

If he can teleport, I don't see BFR as a means to win. I thought it was only Adam Warlock and his gang, but if you include all the cosmics, then of course Marvel would win.

Ohh I read Marvel verse...

Looked at Op...

Unless Warlock can trap AM in Soul world, I'm not sure the team can do much but slow it down...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ohh I read Marvel verse...

Looked at Op...

Unless Warlock can trap AM in Soul world, I'm not sure the team can do much but slow it down...

Doesn't the AM need a soul for the Soul Gem to work on him? Does Am even have a Soul?

Two of the best gem users and strategists in Marvel along with a team of cosmic badasses? The AM is buggered.

Originally posted by SquallX
Doesn't the AM need a soul for the Soul Gem to work on him? Does Am even have a Soul? If you don't think he has a soul then prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you don't think he has a soul then prove it.
Wouldn't the burden of proof be on you?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Wouldn't the burden of proof be on you? He claimed he didn't have a soul so the burden is on him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He claimed he didn't have a soul so the burden is on him.

No, that befalls on you to proves he has a soul.

Plus i never stated he didn't have a Soul.

Originally posted by SquallX
No, that befalls on you to proves he has a soul.

Plus i never stated he didn't have a Soul. No, that's your claim. Not my claim to do so. I don't have to disprove your claim.

Originally posted by SquallX
No, that befalls on you to proves he has a soul.

Plus i never stated he didn't have a Soul.
I'm not going to get into who said what. Just asking, if you claim Soul Gem works on AM. Wouldn't you have to prove why it should?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I'm not going to get into who said what. Just asking, if you claim Soul Gem works on AM. Wouldn't you have to prove why it should? No. Soul gem has power souls. If you believe that Am does not have a soul then that side has to prove it.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Wouldn't the burden of proof be on you?
Having a soul is generally assumed...why would it not be...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Having a soul is generally assumed...why would it not be... If there logic was defended imagine debates. Mental attacks and their counter; prove he has a mind.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ohh I read Marvel verse...

Looked at Op...

Unless Warlock can trap AM in Soul world, I'm not sure the team can do much but slow it down...

People like silver surfer have escaped soul world. Means it traps Anti-monitor completely.

dur

Also if AM destroys/absorbs a universe, doesn't he get it's powers? IF he gets trapped or sealed away in a universe, he can always destroy it to get out.

Spectre was backed the presence and could have defeated that AM. LT would have to step in to do the same.

Ok, but between the Time, Space, & reality gems he can be kept stagnant.

Unless you feel he could overcome this, somehow

Originally posted by Diesldude
Also if AM destroys/absorbs a universe, doesn't he get it's powers? IF he gets trapped or sealed away in a universe, he can always destroy it to get out.

Spectre was backed the presence and could have defeated that AM. LT would have to step in to do the same.

Yeah, Marvel is going to need a high abstract to defeat AM.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Yeah, Marvel is going to need a high abstract to defeat AM.

Reed Richards

Originally posted by Igniz
Reed Richards

Read the op.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ok, but between the Time, Space, & reality gems he can be kept stagnant.

Unless you feel he could overcome this, somehow
Of course he can. You are talking about one of the greatest threats in all of comics.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Read the op.

I know.Its just when you said High Abstract, I was thinking Reed's mind is high abstract

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course he can. You are talking about one of the greatest threats in all of comics.
How could he escape?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
How could he escape?

Didn't AM kill the flash from another universe? Beyond time and space?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
How could he escape?
Really? Who was the most powerful being that was trapped by these gems individually?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Who was the most powerful being that was trapped by these gems individually?
The time Gem can slow him down

The space gem can close space behind AM and open it infront of him

The reality gem can shunt him back to the start if need be...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Who was the most powerful being that was trapped by these gems individually? What does power have to do with anything ?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
The time Gem can slow him down

The space gem can close space behind AM and open it infront of him

The reality gem can shunt him back to the start if need be...

What foes has the gems done this too?

Originally posted by Golgo13
What foes has the gems done this too? Not how debating works. If you feel the tactics which have been proven to work fail you need to prove it.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
The time Gem can slow him down

The space gem can close space behind AM and open it infront of him

The reality gem can shunt him back to the start if need be...

AM's anti matter blasts destroyed universes. How much space is the space gem going to add? Definitely not enough before it gets destroyed.

Originally posted by Diesldude
AM's anti matter blasts destroyed universes. How much space is the space gem going to add? Definitely not enough before it gets destroyed.
"Virtually Limitless" is the way writers describe the Gems...

AM can traverse realities, right? And has virtually limitless power at peak.

Originally posted by Digi
In a comic, they'd find a way. Realistically, though, even with the gems, nobody wielded them THAT well, and AM should destroy them.

Pretty much.

Originally posted by Golgo13
AM can traverse realities, right? And has virtually limitless power at peak. Since when did Am wield limitless power.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Pretty much.

Digi hit it out of the park.

Originally posted by Golgo13
What foes has the gems done this too? Originally posted by quanchi112
Not how debating works. If you feel the tactics which have been proven to work fail you need to prove it.

... what

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
... what Gems win, basically.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gems win, basically. Yeah, nothing is more threatening than Gamora with a time gem.

I don't get it, who has been punked by the gems Quan?

Originally posted by pym-ftw
The time Gem can slow him down

The space gem can close space behind AM and open it infront of him

The reality gem can shunt him back to the start if need be...
So, nothing but speculation.Originally posted by pym-ftw
"Virtually Limitless" is the way writers describe the Gems...
Writers have described hulk and superman's strength as virtually limitless too. Doesn't mean shit in forums though. Feats matter.

Originally posted by Bentley
I don't get it, who has been punked by the gems Quan? Am in this thread. We're you purposefully not paying attention ?

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, nothing but speculation.
Writers have described hulk and superman's strength as virtually limitless too. Doesn't mean shit in forums though. Feats matter. Feats prove they win. No one is making a case on basically limitless.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Feats prove they win. No one is making a case on basically limitless. What feats Quan? What feats prove they beat AM?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What feats Quan? What feats prove they beat AM? The gems basically working and doing their function. I mean if a punch from Supergirl or a beatdown from the Flash can do the trick why not these gems.

So now Quan doesn't even try to provide feats?

This is truly disappointed, any shimmer of respect I had left for him as a debater is gone

Originally posted by Bentley
So now Quan doesn't even try to provide feats?

This is truly disappointed, any shimmer of respect I had left for him as a debater is gone Do I need to post feats from the Ig detailing the abilities of the gems ? Read Thanos quest or the Ig. The gems will work on Am. Basically, what I am hearing is prove the gems work on Am.

Originally posted by Bentley
So now Quan doesn't even try to provide feats?

This is truly disappointed, any shimmer of respect I had left for him as a debater is gone

Originally posted by Golgo13
Not my burden.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The gems basically working and doing their function. I mean if a punch from Supergirl or a beatdown from the Flash can do the trick why not these gems. Well, neither didn't do the trick, and both were against a weaker AM.

The gems basically working and doing their function though? Gamora has the ****ing time gem in a purse. Pip has the space gem between his toes. Drax is a moron.

The only capable people are Warlock and Moondragon, and they get evaporated in the first 3 seconds.

Feats Quan. Show them.

Originally posted by Bentley
So now Quan doesn't even try to provide feats?

This is truly disappointed, any shimmer of respect I had left for him as a debater is gone Quan can't debate anymore. He needs to regain his tenacity. It's just a hollowed out Quan probe who only retained his fondness of Delph and the phrase "based on?"

Not sure the guy even knows any feats from comics anymore. Too much Pokemon games.

Feats from infinity gauntlet when all the other gems are boosted by power gem=/=individual gems' feats.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well, neither didn't do the trick, and both were against a weaker AM.

The gems basically working and doing their function though? Gamora has the ****ing time gem in a purse. Pip has the space gem between his toes. Drax is a moron.

The only capable people are Warlock and Moondragon, and they get evaporated in the first 3 seconds.

Feats Quan. Show them.

Quan can't debate anymore. He needs to regain his tenacity. It's just a hollowed out Quan probe who only retained his fondness of Delph and the phrase "based on?"

Not sure the guy even knows any feats from comics anymore. Too much Pokemon games. What does power have to do with resisting a soul attack or a time stop. Nothing. Drax is a moron but Warlock is not.

Am isn't killing anyone in three seconds.

Warlock soul steal. We all know he can do so. I don't need to provide the scan as it can't be contested.


You naively thinking power level has to do with negating a soul steal is hilarious. Warlock soul steals. Am got his ass kicked and eventually leeched off the powers of the heroes due to being drained. Am at full power was spared due to the heroes fate being tied to his own.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Feats from infinity gauntlet when all the other gems are boosted by power gem=/=individual gems' feats. That was one example. We clearly see Warlock soul steal with just the soul gem.

If you're going to respond come out and face me.

So Soul Stealing just became your infinite fallacy go to strategy with the gems? That has been around the forum since 2005 ermm

Originally posted by quanchi112
What does power have to do with resisting a soul attack or a time stop. Nothing. Drax is a moron but Warlock is not.

Am isn't killing anyone in three seconds.

Warlock soul steal. We all know he can do so. I don't need to provide the scan as it can't be contested.


You naively thinking power level has to do with negating a soul steal is hilarious. Warlock soul steals. Am got his ass kicked and eventually leeched off the powers of the heroes due to being drained. Am at full power was spared due to the heroes fate being tied to his own. Considering AM traveled to the Dawn of Time itself, and Gamora doesn't even have the faintest idea of how to to use the gem?
****ing that.

How about we play it by proof though. Since the Soul Gem can just rip out any soul regardless of power level, show me the Soul Gem capable of doing this against someone immeasurably above Warlock. Then after you're done doing this, show me the scan stating AM has a soul to take.

Although you're basically saying that Warlock can just steal say Mandrakk's soul with little to no resistance. No no no, Mandrakk won't do... Thanos. Not just Thanos though, let's go with Thanos with the Cosmic Cube for fun. Warlock would crush Void as well in a second.
I'm pretty sure Pre Retcon Beyonder has a soul too.

Warlock beats anyone with a soul ever in any comic. No proof is needed. The Soul Gem steals souls!

Anti matter wave would just make the gem not exist.

Warlock has said he could rip Thanos' soul with the soul gem two times IIRC. Remember that Thanosi Warrior.

shifty

Also Galactus no sold soul gem.

Galactus doesn't have a soul

It was said I chaos war iirc

Originally posted by abhilegend
So, nothing but speculation.
Writers have described hulk and superman's strength as virtually limitless too. Doesn't mean shit in forums though. Feats matter.
Yes, as in the thing this whole board is built on...

Way to try and lowball the Infinity Gems by taking my response out of context.

on the superman reference in another thread

eh, I don't see the SG working on a AM.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Galactus doesn't have a soul

It was said I chaos war iirc


Scans?

Anyway, here's Warlock absorbing a small portion of Star-Thief's power because he's distracted.

And Star Thief stopped it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/thiefsoul.jpg

Which proves that not only can raw power stop a soul rip, but that even when the raw powered being is distracted, he can only take a small piece. Which is clearly not enough to win.

And Star-Thief is nowhere near Anti-Monitor's level. Nor can Quan even prove he has a soul to begin with. But if he could... in a complete fictional Quan world where he can prove anything... he could only take a tiny portion which would be ultimately irrelevant in a battle.

Warlock gets one shotted at the start of the battle.

Quan has negative points

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Anyway, here's Warlock absorbing a small portion of Star-Thief's power because he's distracted.

And Star Thief stopped it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/thiefsoul.jpg

Which proves that not only can raw power stop a soul rip, but that even when the raw powered being is distracted, he can only take a small piece. Which is clearly not enough to win.

And Star-Thief is nowhere near Anti-Monitor's level. Nor can Quan even prove he has a soul to begin with. But if he could... in a complete fictional Quan world where he can prove anything... he could only take a tiny portion which would be ultimately irrelevant in a battle.

Warlock gets one shotted at the start of the battle.

Quan has negative points

You are a God among gods.

This is why bringing proof is important kids, that way you can state objective truths instead of opinion.

Opinion: Quan was debating.

Truth: Quan just got PWND.


That's what he gets from spending so much time cheating on Delph with Screampaste.

Originally posted by Bentley
Scans?

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/thanos0222rd4.jpg

"Beyond the Gem's power"

Chaos War says he doesn't have a heart:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/ChaosWar2024.jpg

Thanks man.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/thanos0222rd4.jpg

"Beyond the Gem's power"

Chaos War says he doesn't have a heart:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/ChaosWar2024.jpg
Thanks, I was wrong

But I remember it being brought up somewhere, ill keep looking

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Yes, as in the thing this whole board is built on...

Way to try and lowball the Infinity Gems by taking my response out of context.

on the superman reference in another thread
This board is build upon speculation?

Not lowballing. Just asking the feats.

Ignore hulk while you're at it. Better hulk and superman than pym though.

ermm

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/thanos0222rd4.jpg

"Beyond the Gem's power"



Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Chaos War says he doesn't have a heart:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Statements%20of%20power/ChaosWar2024.jpg

Some people believe that if you're heartless, you don't have a soul

As for this thread.Warlock and company may need help.They should call Big G with UN the way Supergod Herc summoned him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
This board is build upon speculation?

Not lowballing. Just asking the feats.

Ignore hulk while you're at it. Better hulk and superman than pym though.

ermm
Without proof, all answers are speculation
Educated or otherwise...

Your asking for a feat that can't exist...unless you feel there is someone with infinite Tp, Power, Speed...Ect

I've been debating Warlock just taking the gems and bfr his team and the A-wave

Pym has already exceeded infinite...nice try

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Without proof, all answers are speculation
Educated or otherwise...

Your asking for a feat that can't exist...unless you feel there is someone with infinite Tp, Power, Speed...Ect

I've been debating Warlock just taking the gems and bfr his team and the A-wave

Pym has already exceeded infinite...nice try
People give feats to their answers. You haven't given a single one and just applying "no limit fallacy" to gems since some writers used a fancy term describing them.

I'm asking about any feat of them trapping a multiversal being. Not too much I hope.

OP specified the gems can't work in union in this thread.

Loki did all that. Pym was once again cockblocked.

Originally posted by abhilegend
People give feats to their answers. You haven't given a single one and just applying "no limit fallacy" to gems since some writers used a fancy term describing them.

I'm asking about any feat of them trapping a multiversal being. Not too much I hope.

OP specified the gems can't work in union in this thread.

Loki did all that. Pym was once again cockblocked.


They are abstract artifacts, they aren't used often...

I'm sure someone with more knowledge on space characters could link you some scans

The Op said they can't make the IG... That's not what I said

Loki was literally disproved in the very next panel, did you even read it...way off topic but ok

Originally posted by pym-ftw
They are abstract artifacts, they aren't used often...

I'm sure someone with more knowledge on space characters could link you some scans

The Op said they can't make the IG... That's not what I said

Loki was literally disproved in the very next panel, did you even read it...way off topic but ok
You will be surprised how often they were used.

I know about them by myself.

So you didn't read the OP, figures.

Nah, bro. Loki was trolling pym all along.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
They have the gems, but the Living Tribunal's edict that the gems cannot be united is in effect.
This ruling?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You will be surprised how often they were used.

I know about them by myself.

So you didn't read the OP, figures.
Looked it up, 96 appearances total

So you know the Infinity Gems contain aspects of reality beyond even Eternity

I'm pretty sure he's talking about forming the IG.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Looked it up, 96 appearances total

So you know the Infinity Gems contain aspects of reality beyond even Eternity

I'm pretty sure he's talking about forming the IG.
You're learning.

I know. Not everyone can use them efficiently though.

The feats of a gem in when used by IG can't be used here for a single gem since power gem boosts them in union.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm asking about any feat of them trapping a multiversal being.
None that I know of. Unless you want to count the context-loaded showing against the Ultimate Nullifier in Infinity War.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
What feats Quan? What feats prove they beat AM? Don't think it counts as a feat but, when Thor took Drax's power gem Thanos himself said that there is no limit to the power he could muster. No limit sounds powerful enough to beat AM IMO.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Considering AM traveled to the Dawn of Time itself, and Gamora doesn't even have the faintest idea of how to to use the gem?
****ing that.

How about we play it by proof though. Since the Soul Gem can just rip out any soul regardless of power level, show me the Soul Gem capable of doing this against someone immeasurably above Warlock. Then after you're done doing this, show me the scan stating AM has a soul to take.

Although you're basically saying that Warlock can just steal say Mandrakk's soul with little to no resistance. No no no, Mandrakk won't do... Thanos. Not just Thanos though, let's go with Thanos with the Cosmic Cube for fun. Warlock would crush Void as well in a second.
I'm pretty sure Pre Retcon Beyonder has a soul too.

Warlock beats anyone with a soul ever in any comic. No proof is needed. The Soul Gem steals souls! It all depends whether or not someone can resist the tactic.

Burden is on you to prove he has no soul.


I am just arguing against Am here. Quit trying to go off topic. I see the soul gem stealing someone's soul here who needed the heroes power and whose ass was handed to him by Supergirl before he amped his physical shell further iirc.

If you believe Am can resist said tactic prove it.

Originally posted by Bentley
So Soul Stealing just became your infinite fallacy go to strategy with the gems? That has been around the forum since 2005 ermm No, not infinite fallacy just beating Am.

Originally posted by Bentley
This is why bringing proof is important kids, that way you can state objective truths instead of opinion.

Opinion: Quan was debating.

Truth: Quan just got PWND.


That's what he gets from spending so much time cheating on Delph with Screampaste. He did no such thing. He did not post any proof substantiating Am has no soul or can resist.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Well, neither didn't do the trick, and both were against a weaker AM.

The gems basically working and doing their function though? Gamora has the ****ing time gem in a purse. Pip has the space gem between his toes. Drax is a moron.

The only capable people are Warlock and Moondragon, and they get evaporated in the first 3 seconds.
Moondragon is more capable than Thanos, are you smoking crack? The OP may have said the gems can't be united, but it said nothing about using the gems to amp each other. Personally, if I was in Warlock' position I'd keep the soul gem and take the mind and space gems for myself. Then have Drax and Gamora give their gems to Thanos. Once that's been done the children can go home while the grown ups deal with the AM.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
None that I know of. Unless you want to count the context-loaded showing against the Ultimate Nullifier in Infinity War.
As I know it. Thanks.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He did no such thing. He did not post any proof substantiating Am has no soul or can resist.

Did you read what he posted?

Warlock failing to soul steal someone who had a soul because the entity was powerful enough to take it. This means that the soul sucking abilities of the Gem have an upper level and thus, AM can potentially take them without any particular resistance.

That pretty much debunks your idea that Warlock will just soul suck just because, now you really have to prove he can do it against someone on AM's level. That's how the debate works.

Get on it please

Originally posted by Bentley
Did you read what he posted?

Warlock failing to soul steal someone who had a soul because the entity was powerful enough to take it. This means that the soul sucking abilities of the Gem have an upper level and thus, AM can potentially take them without any particular resistance.

That pretty much debunks your idea that Warlock will just soul suck just because, now you really have to prove he can do it against someone on AM's level. That's how the debate works.

Get on it please I never said he could do so to anyone and that this is without limit. I said he can take Am's soul. If someone believes he can resist then post proof.


Power level does not resist a certain attack. Take Superman for instance he can't resist mental attacks simply because he is powerful its just that he can do so for other reasons.


Am is someone who despite the exaggeration can be physically taken on. I for one see the soul attack working. If you just disagree then it's your right to do so but without proof it's a baseless claim which is illogical.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he could do so to anyone and that this is without limit. I said he can take Am's soul. If someone believes he can resist then post proof.


Power level does not resist a certain attack. Take Superman for instance he can't resist mental attacks simply because he is powerful its just that he can do so for other reasons.

The problem is that the example is more akin to Galactus, a certain kind of powerset has a much higher resistance to miscelaneous attacks. Or are you implying that Galactus's powerlevel doesn't give him an intrinsic resistance against mental attacks?

I think this point is rather clear *shrughs*

Originally posted by quanchi112
Am is someone who despite the exaggeration can be physically taken on. I for one see the soul attack working. If you just disagree then it's your right to do so but without proof it's a baseless claim which is illogical.


Baseless claims aren't illogical, just thought I would point that out.

Is your claim any less baseless than mine though? It sounds as if yours was almost contradicted by evidence, and as if you tried to shy away from it by claiming its not proof.

Originally posted by Bentley
The problem is that the example is more akin to Galactus, a certain kind of powerset has a much higher resistance to miscelaneous attacks. Or are you implying that Galactus's powerlevel doesn't give him an intrinsic resistance against mental attacks?

I think this point is rather clear *shrughs*




Baseless claims aren't illogical, just thought I would point that out.

Is your claim any less baseless than mine though? It sounds as if yours was almost contradicted by evidence, and as if you tried to shy away from it by claiming its not proof. Galactus happens to be really powerful.


Galactus station and his mental defense does not have to do with his overall power level. Galactus can resist said tactic but that isn't proof Am can do so.

My claim is the soul gem does what it's designed to do. If you feel it cannot do so then the burden is on you.

Anti-monitor isn't powerful?

Hahahahaha.

The soul suck has failed before "what its designed to do" its just not enough. Wolverine is designed to kill, but he ain't taking on Thanos.

So really, seems like you want to play the semantics game to look good but that you're in no shape and form in a less arbitrary ground that I am.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Anti-monitor isn't powerful?

Hahahahaha. When did I say Am is not powerful ? You are losing it.

Originally posted by Bentley
The soul suck has failed before "what its designed to do" its just not enough. Wolverine is designed to kill, but he ain't taking on Thanos.

So really, seems like you want to play the semantics game to look good but that you're in no shape and form in a less arbitrary ground that I am. Wolverine doesn't have power or mastery over souls or killing.

My claim is the soul gem does what it does. If you want to prove it fails prove it.

Quan, man you are reaching. Bran gave you an example of warlock failing to soul suck a being who was way less than an insect to AM.

Since AM is a part of the over monitor, outside of the presence's creation, chances are that it doesn't have a soul.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Quan, man you are reaching. Bran gave you an example of warlock failing to soul suck a being who was way less than an insect to AM.

Since AM is a part of the over monitor, outside of the presence's creation, chances are that it doesn't have a soul. Power level has nothing to do with it. That was also an inexperienced Warlock.



Then prove it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Power level has nothing to do with it. That was also an inexperienced Warlock.



Then prove it. Hate to say it but I'm gonna have to disagree. Not just with that statement, but the soul gem tactic in general. As far as I know the most powerful beings Warlock have trapped in Soul World are Magus and Goddess. Neither are even remotely as powerful as AM. Here is a shot, sorry I don't have a scanner, of someone exponentially less powerful that AM resisting the SG. I would also add that this Warlock is significantly more proficient with the gem when this happened. For my money Thanos with the Reality Gem would be much more effective than Warlock with the Soul Gem against on opponent like the Anti-Monitor.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Hate to say it but I'm gonna have to disagree. Not just with that statement, but the soul gem tactic in general. As far as I know the most powerful beings Warlock have trapped in Soul World are Magus and Goddess. Neither are even remotely as powerful as AM. Here is a shot, sorry I don't have a scanner, of someone exponentially less powerful that AM resisting the SG. I would also add that this Warlock is significantly more proficient with the gem when this happened. For my money Thanos with the Reality Gem would be much more effective than Warlock with the Soul Gem against on opponent like the Anti-Monitor. Oops forgot the pic, my bad.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Wolverine doesn't have power or mastery over souls or killing.

Nor does Warlock, since he failed to soul suck opponents before. Both have a tool to achieve their goal, none of them is assured to succeed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
My claim is the soul gem does what it does. If you want to prove it fails prove it.

Your claim is that Warlock is able to do something using the Soul gem, something he has failed to do on weaker opponents than the Antimonitor, an strategy that has failed. Are we to think this move is so formidable when it has failed? I don't see why take your word for it. Find an statement that at least backs up your wild speculation, at least we can leave it as a disagreement then.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Hate to say it but I'm gonna have to disagree. Not just with that statement, but the soul gem tactic in general. As far as I know the most powerful beings Warlock have trapped in Soul World are Magus and Goddess. Neither are even remotely as powerful as AM. Here is a shot, sorry I don't have a scanner, of someone exponentially less powerful that AM resisting the SG. I would also add that this Warlock is significantly more proficient with the gem when this happened. For my money Thanos with the Reality Gem would be much more effective than Warlock with the Soul Gem against on opponent like the Anti-Monitor. You would first need to prove power in general determines what sort of tactic would work and what would not.

Originally posted by Bentley
Nor does Warlock, since he failed to soul suck opponents before. Both have a tool to achieve their goal, none of them is assured to succeed.



Your claim is that Warlock is able to do something using the Soul gem, something he has failed to do on weaker opponents than the Antimonitor, an strategy that has failed. Are we to think this move is so formidable when it has failed? I don't see why take your word for it. Find an statement that at least backs up your wild speculation, at least we can leave it as a disagreement then. If you believe the soul suck won't work then prove it.

you'd have to prove power level is the determining factor here. You don't have to but again your burden.

We know what it took to take down the AM in a DC comic... with this team and the gems... I think i would be quite enough.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You would first need to prove power in general determines what sort of tactic would work and what would not. I am unaware of the Soul Gem ever working like that against an abstract level character.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
We know what it took to take down the AM in a DC comic... with this team and the gems... I think i would be quite enough.

You would be wrong.

It took getting hit point blank by the Creation Blast, the blast destroyed the Infinite Pre-Crisis Era and created the the Finite Post Crisis Era. Even then AM was still alive and well, and ready for round 2.

Galactus doesn't actually have a "soul" ...
is this not the reason the Gem is in-affective regarding G's particular case?

This is the greatest single Gem feat I've ever seen.

It's Rune using the Time Gem. He froze the entire "Time-Stream."

The "Time-Stream" is the Dimension from where All of Time can be observed.
So Rune froze "Time" across all TimelineS! (with a thought)

LT stated that the reason he was untouched by the Time Gem's affect
was cause he "Transcends the realm of Space & Time, All the opposing RealitieS"




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The only other existence untouched was Warlock.
Who as we all know is beyond the influence of Space-Time.

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Yet, at times arguments still persist that suggests classic IG was universal. lol!

That's One Gem folks, stopping Everything!

Originally posted by Brockalizer
I am unaware of the Soul Gem ever working like that against an abstract level character. Am is not an abstract level character IMO.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you believe the soul suck won't work then prove it.

you'd have to prove power level is the determining factor here. You don't have to but again your burden.

It failed against an opponent that was more powerful than Warlock, that by itself leads to think its related to powerlevel -that and the fact that, in general, that kind of plot powers don't just work the same way on higher ups-.

You seem to be going several lengths to dismiss the feat, you won't aknowledge it at all because you know its important and it makes your semantics moot. Discuss the feat, give it a place in the debate, I'll wait for you here.

Originally posted by Bentley
It failed against an opponent that was more powerful than Warlock, that by itself leads to think its related to powerlevel -that and the fact that, in general, that kind of plot powers don't just work the same way on higher ups-.

You seem to be going several lengths to dismiss the feat, you won't aknowledge it at all because you know its important and it makes your semantics moot. Discuss the feat, give it a place in the debate, I'll wait for you here. What occurrence are you referring to ? Galactus ?

Lets discuss the specifics by all means. In no way, shape, or form do I ever run from a debate.

Hey Bent, if you're referring to Galactus it wasn't about "power."
Galactus doesn't have a conventional "soul." (or one at all I think)
Which is strange cause even Eternity has a "spirit."

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey Bent, if you're referring to Galactus it wasn't about "power."
Galactus doesn't have a conventional "soul."

Exactly.

Originally posted by SquallX
You would be wrong.

It took getting hit point blank by the Creation Blast, the blast destroyed the Infinite Pre-Crisis Era and created the the Finite Post Crisis Era. Even then AM was still alive and well, and ready for round 2. So? Galactus survived the death and creation of a universe as well, and thos team would make Galactus their *****.

Exactly a creation blast isn't a DESTROYING blast. Those are worlds apart. One is designed to destroy... one is designed to create. Not even close to the same.. We've seen Reed at the center of a creation blast.. sis neg... Galactus... etc etc They didn't tank a destroying blast.. they were present to help in a CREATION blast.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What occurrence are you referring to ? Galactus ?

Lets discuss the specifics by all means. In no way, shape, or form do I ever run from a debate.

The Star Thief example.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey Bent, if you're referring to Galactus it wasn't about "power."
Galactus doesn't have a conventional "soul." (or one at all I think)
Which is strange cause even Eternity has a "spirit."

If I might add: is there any source for this other than the Thanos mini? Because the mini seems to imply Warlock does see a sort of Soul in Galactus which he cannot affect because its like Eternitys.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Exactly a creation blast isn't a DESTROYING blast. Those are worlds apart. One is designed to destroy... one is designed to create. Not even close to the same.. We've seen Reed at the center of a creation blast.. sis neg... Galactus... etc etc They didn't tank a destroying blast.. they were present to help in a CREATION blast.

Are you dense?

To create something new in an occupied space, you either builds on the old foundation, or destroy the old foundation.

That's what Creation Blast was, it completely destroyed everything in the Pre-Crisis Era, and rebuild and created the Finite Post Crisis Era.

AM at his peak took that blast head on, and was asking for more.