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Can these three tough guys defeat Nth Man?


Nth Man- http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/mysteriu.htm

616 Jaspers or lord crazypants jasper who was obliterated by the LT when he refused to calm his shit down.

Lord Jasper

Originally posted by Uriel005
616 Jaspers or lord crazypants jasper who was obliterated by the LT when he refused to calm his shit down. When did this happen?

Originally posted by Uriel005

616 Jaspers or lord crazypants jasper who was obliterated by the
LT when he refused to calm his shit down.

^^quite sure it didn't happen, 616 jaspers was killed by the fury when it took him into un-space, and then wanda's chaos wave restored him back to life.

in any case, even a weaker version of jaspers was multiversal, the 616 version is omniversal, what im curious to know though, what was marvel's definition of the omniverse in 1984 (which is the year of the issue when it was mentioned that jaspers is an omniversal threat), though i find it highly unlikely that it exists, but if anyone has it, it would be appreciated if he presented it.

Poor Nth Man

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
When did this happen? number 33 tales of the mad man

Originally posted by operator616
616 jaspers was killed by the fury when it took him into un-space...the 616 version is omniversal

The Omniverse contains un-space, or else it isn't the omniverse. Therefore, 616 was not omniversal. Unless his powers evolved, he could never be omniversal, and such descriptions are hyperbole.

Just a random point of clarification.

Fury>Jim

Originally posted by Cogito
The Omniverse contains un-space, or else it isn't the omniverse. Therefore, 616 was not omniversal. Unless his powers evolved, he could never be omniversal, and such descriptions are hyperbole.

Just a random point of clarification. get ready for the Shit Storm you open yourself to.. Mr. Master will own you boy

He didn't take him to un-space. He teleported him out of the realm of reality itself. And while he was an omniversal threat, he can only warp reality when he is in reality. Outside of it he had no power. Simple.

Originally posted by KingD19
He didn't take him to un-space. He teleported him out of the realm of reality itself. And while he was an omniversal threat, he can only warp reality when he is in reality. Outside of it he had no power. Simple.

There is no "outside" of the omniverse.

Anyways, carry on.

Originally posted by googol
get ready for the Shit Storm you open yourself to.. Mr. Master will own you boy
I'll keep my eye out for him.

Except that's exactly how the comic portrayed it, so there must be.

Waits for Mr. M

Originally posted by KingD19
Except that's exactly how the comic portrayed it, so there must be.
Or, hyperbole.

As a reality warper, it was pointed out that the only way to rob him of his power was to take him outside of what we perceive as reality. That's what Fury did, and that's how he beat him.

I don't see how you don't comprehend this.

Originally posted by KingD19
As a reality warper, it was pointed out that the only way to rob him of his power was to take him outside of what we perceive as reality. That's what Fury did, and that's how he beat him.

I don't see how you don't comprehend this.

I don't see how you don't comprehend that I understand that.

The point was merely that Jaspers never was, nor would be, omniversal. Any claims to that extent are hyperbole.

Per handbooks:
The Omniverse is the collection of every single universe, dimension, etc. This includes the real world (right outside of your window - get outside and check it out!!), but it also includes every single universe, realm, etc., ever mentioned in any of Marvel Comics, as well as any other company. It includes every single literary work, television show, movie, urban legend, universe, realm, etc. ever. It includes everyone from Popeye to Rocky Balboa to Ronald Reagan to Romeo and Juliet to Luke Skywalker to Snoopy to Jay and Silent Bob, etc. EVERYTHING is in the Omniverse, and there is only one Omniverse. Period. Omni - "all"

Any reference to an omniverse is hyperbole. The omniverse is beyond Jaspers, beyond the Living Tribunal, beyond TOAA.

Now, back to arguing about how Nth Man is going to win.

tldr: Don't use the word omniversal.

Originally posted by Cogito
The Omniverse contains un-space, or else it isn't the omniverse. Therefore, 616 was not omniversal. Unless his powers evolved, he could never be omniversal, and such descriptions are hyperbole.

Just a random point of clarification.

no it wasn't a hyperbole, it was actually shown, kind of, in daredevils issue 10:

http://i.imgur.com/mzfZmmD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rD0ru11.jpg

as for the whole omniverse part, marvel has a definition of its own, and we go by that definition:

the link you posted is taken from OHOTMU vol 4 (2005) notice that its definition was created by Mark Gruendwald

http://i.imgur.com/1648DM6.jpg

the interesting thing is this same guy wrote Quasar issue 31, and what's the definition of the omniverse in that issue?

http://i.imgur.com/NjcXoyY.jpg

apparently, it's a continuum of multiverses.

though in all new OHOTMU update issue 2, megaverse is defined as being realities that are outside the multiverse:

http://i.imgur.com/lZSlnZL.jpg?1

there have been other definitions as well, like in exiles issue 93, reed (in an alternate reality) decides to conquer the omniverse:

http://i.imgur.com/cSWp6Hn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rEPomoR.jpg

^that was the last page of the issue, the next issue (exiles issue 94) he defines the omniverse (indirectly) right in first page:

http://i.imgur.com/3JcKa3A.jpg

infinite number of parallel dimensions, which has the same definition of the multiverse.

quite sure there's more, that's why i asked what is omniverse's definition in 1984, which i find unlikely to exist.

Mad jim jaspers is omniversal by marvel standards though, that's for sure (as proven in my post)

Word.

Originally posted by guy222

Waits for Mr. M
Hey there buddy. lol, next time just pull out my calling card:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16104972_Mr_Master_Card.jpg

... psycho gundam, takes credit, and when I found it, had me on the floor, very funny/cool.
Originally posted by Cogito

The Omniverse contains un-space, or else it isn't the omniverse.
Actually friend, there was no "un-space" as part of the Omniverse.
That "un-space" Jaspers was taken too was created via the Celestial Nullifier,
which literally erased the very life-force of Reality-238 transforming
the space occupying the 238 universe into something that never was, hence the so-called "un-space."

Also, Jaspers wasn't powerless. JJ just didn't have anything to warp,
and since the Fury was basically immune to his power (plot device)
JJ couldn't act offensively. Now had that been any other character,
and JJ can at-least warp his opponent so matter the playing field.
Also one thing Moore skipped due to plot to end the story, is JJ
shoud've been able to warp himself. since he, like any other
matter, IS "reality."

But, the story had to end. We did get to see what happened if the
plot device (Fury) didn't stop Jaspers. And that was the Omniverse being cancelled.
Originally posted by operator616

Mad jim jaspers is omniversal by marvel standards though,
that's for sure (as proven in my post)
I'm liking ya kid, yur reminding me ... of me.

In the Marvel UK line, the "omniverse" was used regularly, but we
know it wasn't canon to mainstream Marvel cause Shooter
expressly stated many times that outside the infinite Multiverse was
solely the Beyond Realm in 1985, while the Uk line was up and
running the term "omniverse" since 83'. The "New Universe" was
the first reality introduced outside the prime Multiverse in Nov/ 86'.
That, if anything, was the beginning of the "omniverse" in
mainstream Marvel and then by 92, it was blown wide open via the Quasar book.

As for a direct "definition" of this pre-omniverse ... there is none that I know of,
except an endless sea of universes.
It mattes little, cause the books became official once re-printed in
X-Men Archives in 95'.

Originally posted by operator616
no it wasn't a hyperbole, it was actually shown, kind of, in daredevils issue 10:

http://i.imgur.com/mzfZmmD.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rD0ru11.jpg

I don't see how this proves omniversal. Multiversal, sure. Nobody was arguing against that.

Originally posted by operator616
as for the whole omniverse part, marvel has a definition of its own, and we go by that definition:

the link you posted is taken from OHOTMU vol 4 (2005) notice that its definition was created by Mark Gruendwald

http://i.imgur.com/1648DM6.jpg

the interesting thing is this same guy wrote Quasar issue 31, and what's the definition of the omniverse in that issue?

http://i.imgur.com/NjcXoyY.jpg

apparently, it's a continuum of multiverses.

though in all new OHOTMU update issue 2, megaverse is defined as being realities that are outside the multiverse:

http://i.imgur.com/lZSlnZL.jpg?1

there have been other definitions as well, like in exiles issue 93, reed (in an alternate reality) decides to conquer the omniverse:

http://i.imgur.com/cSWp6Hn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rEPomoR.jpg

^that was the last page of the issue, the next issue (exiles issue 94) he defines the omniverse (indirectly) right in first page:

http://i.imgur.com/3JcKa3A.jpg

infinite number of parallel dimensions, which has the same definition of the multiverse.

quite sure there's more, that's why i asked what is omniverse's definition in 1984, which i find unlikely to exist.

Mad jim jaspers is omniversal by marvel standards though, that's for sure (as proven in my post)

All this supports my point that the omniverse is larger than MJJ's scope. By Marvel's own definition, which both of us posted, the omniverse contains everything including other mediums, the real world...everything. Therefore, referring to any character as omniversal would have to mean that character has power over...Star Wars, DC, and you. Therefore, hyperbole.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually friend, there was no "un-space" as part of the Omniverse.
That "un-space" Jaspers was taken too was created via the Celestial Nullifier,
which literally erased the very life-force of Reality-238 transforming
the space occupying the 238 universe into something that never was, hence the so-called "un-space."

Also, Jaspers wasn't powerless. JJ just didn't have anything to warp,
and since the Fury was basically immune to his power (plot device)
JJ couldn't act offensively. Now had that been any other character,
and JJ can at-least warp his opponent so matter the playing field.
Also one thing Moore skipped due to plot to end the story, is JJ
shoud've been able to warp himself. since he, like any other
matter, IS "reality."

Good point. If Jaspers was taken to a universe he couldn't do shit in, then he wasn't even truly multiversal (close, but not quite there), let alone omniversal.

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Guys, I'm done here. My point was that MJJ wasn't omniversal, which doesn't take anything away from him as a character and doesn't detract from his power at all. I did that, and now we're beating around the bush looking for technicalities and alternative definitions, when the definition has been officially given to us multiple times. It's in the damn handbooks that Mr. Master loves so much.

Originally posted by Cogito
I don't see how this proves omniversal. Multiversal, sure. Nobody was arguing against that.



All this supports my point that the omniverse is larger than MJJ's scope. By Marvel's own definition, which both of us posted, the omniverse contains everything including other mediums, the real world...everything. Therefore, referring to any character as omniversal would have to mean that character has power over...Star Wars, DC, and you. Therefore, hyperbole.




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Guys, I'm done here. My point was that MJJ wasn't omniversal, which doesn't take anything away from him as a character and doesn't detract from his power at all. I did that, and now we're beating around the bush looking for technicalities and alternative definitions, when the definition has been officially given to us multiple times. It's in the damn handbooks that Mr. Master loves so much.

True but not if we consider what was stated in mighty world of marvel issue 9:

http://i.imgur.com/HNdkDID.gif

that's marvel's way of confirming that what we saw him do in the future is the omniverse.

so you practically ignored the on panel definitions of the omniverse that i gave you.......ok, if you love handbooks so much then i'll give you another definition from another handbook:

The mighty avengers most wanted files (go to glossary of terms, sorry too lazy to edit the image) 2007

http://i.imgur.com/cfuUU4V.jpg

'group of alternate universes which encompass all reality'

another on panel indirect definition, which is the most recent i believe (2013):

a recap while telling the same story, use the terms universe and omniverse interchangeably:

issue 8:

http://i.imgur.com/tYQUges.jpg

issue 9:

http://i.imgur.com/vFA5glO.jpg


i could give you even more, but i hope it's enough

conclusion: out of the many definitions you can't pick the one that is inapplicable, as you can see, its definition varies over the years, that's why i specifically said in 1984, in which case a direct definition, apparently (and predictably) doesn't exist as confirmed by Mr Master.