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Who wins?
No prep...
No B.F.R..




The Mighty Avengers


Blue. Marvel
Monica Rambuea
Thor
Hulk
Ms.Marvel

Vs

The JLA

Superman
G.L Hal
Wonder Woman
Martain Manhunter
Aquaman

Avengers win.

JLA wins.

Originally posted by Odekahn
JLA wins. What makes you think so ?

JLA shades it, imo.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Avengers win.

What makes you think so ?

Does BM have any Tp defence feats?

That is the difference maker, Imho

JLA.

Originally posted by Odekahn
What makes you think so ? Hulk and Thor.

JLA.. MM > Hulk

JLA wins.

Originally posted by SupezM'
JLA.. MM > Hulk Based on ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

Mind control and intangibility, durable, strong, fast, invisibility... MM turns Hulk on Avengers...

Hulk would simply smash MM. Intangibility/invisibility isn't going to present a problem to Hulk's fists.

TMA win over all too.

Has Hulk ever attacked or effected intangible beings? Honest question.

Originally posted by janus77
Hu-lk sma-sh:
The last syllables you hear, before you depart this reality.


Hulk makes paste out of MM.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Has Hulk ever attacked or effected intangible beings?
Yes, many times. From pure energy constructs to ghostly beings to phased out Vision...

There are lots of such instances.

Originally posted by SupezM'

Originally posted by janus77
Yes, many times. From pure energy constructs to ghostly beings to phased out Vision...

There are lots of such instances.

I know he's grabbed energy and the like, but I was unaware that he's effected beings like Vision while already in a phased state.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Has Hulk ever attacked or effected intangible beings? Honest question.

Well, he's shown to be susceptible to mind control... Soooo, roll MM.

iirc, Savage Hulk did so. I think he trapped Vision inside of himself.

Also, the fact that he punched through a TimeStorm, basically means that he can rip non-physical shit at cosmic scales.

Originally posted by SupezM'
Well, he's shown to be susceptible to mind control... Soooo, roll MM.
Except when he gets angry. Then Xavier and Emma Frost and back-up (Stepford Cuckoos?) can't do jack.

It's not going to work, whatever MM tries, Savage Hulk has smashed past it all in his time. And current Hulk is exponentially more powerful as well as having more intelligence (depending on storyline).

Originally posted by janus77
Except when he gets angry. Then Xavier and Emma Frost and back-up (Stepford Cuckoos?) can't do jack.

It's not going to work, whatever MM tries, Savage Hulk has smashed past it all in his time. And current Hulk is exponentially more powerful as well as having more intelligence (depending on storyline).

Sorry don't see it...

MM has shown strength and speed very close to that of Superman's. Speed blitz, phasing, shape shifting, mind controlling beat down. MM has the tools...

Originally posted by SupezM'
Sorry don't see it...

MM has shown strength and speed very close to that of Superman's. Speed blitz, phasing, shape shifting, mind controlling beat down. MM has the tools...
Hulk has superior strength and durability, added to a HF that makes him "functionally immortal". On top of that he has superspeed and reflexes that have time and again helped him swat away or catch heralds. Whether on the offensive or defensive, he's managed to tag/catch Sentry, Jack of Hearts, Surfer(!) ...

The mind control tactic will fail and only leave the JLA facing an even more powerful Hulk. If Xavier with Emma and back-up couldn't do it, MM isn't.

Shape shifting is of no use, Hulk has devastating omnidirectional attacks and his thunderclaps have always been enough to floor heralds.

There's nothing MM can do (sans bfr).

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk has superior strength and durability, added to a HF that makes him "functionally immortal". On top of that he has superspeed and reflexes that have time and again helped him swat away or catch heralds. Whether on the offensive or defensive, he's managed to tag/catch Sentry, Jack of Hearts, Surfer(!) ...

The mind control tactic will fail and only leave the JLA facing an even more powerful Hulk. If Xavier with Emma and back-up couldn't do it, MM isn't.

Shape shifting is of no use, Hulk has devastating omnidirectional attacks and his thunderclaps have always been enough to floor heralds.

There's nothing MM can do (sans bfr). this

Mindless hulk trapped vision inside him but that was due to the fact that hulk himself was losing cohesion and has nothing to do with him tagging intangible beings. Also this isn't WWH, Thanos and that goth chick in Avengers already mindcontrolled hulk. Hulk has been mindcontrolled or calmed down by telepaths more times than I can count. J'onn would totally mindcontrol him.

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk has superior strength and durability, added to a HF that makes him "functionally immortal". On top of that he has superspeed and reflexes that have time and again helped him swat away or catch heralds. Whether on the offensive or defensive, he's managed to tag/catch Sentry, Jack of Hearts, Surfer(!) ...

The mind control tactic will fail and only leave the JLA facing an even more powerful Hulk. If Xavier with Emma and back-up couldn't do it, MM isn't.

Shape shifting is of no use, Hulk has devastating omnidirectional attacks and his thunderclaps have always been enough to floor heralds.

There's nothing MM can do (sans bfr).

lowball much?

Originally posted by SupezM'
Sorry don't see it...

MM has shown strength and speed very close to that of Superman's. Speed blitz, phasing, shape shifting, mind controlling beat down. MM has the tools... Hulk is on another level and isn't portrayed how you're arguing for him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mindless hulk trapped vision inside him but that was due to the fact that hulk himself was losing cohesion and has nothing to do with him tagging intangible beings. Also this isn't WWH, Thanos and that goth chick in Avengers already mindcontrolled hulk. Hulk has been mindcontrolled or calmed down by telepaths more times than I can count. J'onn would totally mindcontrol him. Prove MM can mind rape him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mindless hulk trapped vision inside him but that was due to the fact that hulk himself was losing cohesion and has nothing to do with him tagging intangible beings. Also this isn't WWH, Thanos and that goth chick in Avengers already mindcontrolled hulk. Hulk has been mindcontrolled or calmed down by telepaths more times than I can count. J'onn would totally mindcontrol him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Mindless hulk trapped vision inside him but that was due to the fact that hulk himself was losing cohesion and has nothing to do with him tagging intangible beings. Also this isn't WWH, Thanos and that goth chick in Avengers already mindcontrolled hulk. Hulk has been mindcontrolled or calmed down by telepaths more times than I can count. J'onn would totally mindcontrol him.
Hulk has ripped apart intangible beings and fields plenty enough, he can warp pure energy with his hands.

Unless MM does some kind of dimensional self-bfr, for his intangibility, he will be vulnerable to Hulk's hands.

And lol at Thanos and those cosmic characters in Avengers. MM is nothing like as powerful as either of those characters.

MM isn't succeeding where Xavier + Emma Frost + Stepford Cuckoos put together have failed. And as has been shown on panel, when Hulk gets angry he breaks free of any mind control.

Originally posted by janus77
Hulk has ripped apart intangible beings and fields plenty enough, he can warp pure energy with his hands.

Unless MM does some kind of dimensional self-bfr, for his intangibility, he will be vulnerable to Hulk's hands.

And lol at Thanos and those cosmic characters in Avengers. MM is nothing like as powerful as either of those characters.

MM isn't succeeding where Xavier + Emma Frost + Stepford Cuckoos put together have failed. And as has been shown on panel, when Hulk gets angry he breaks free of any mind control.
Give one example. Grabbing energy=/=hitting intangible beings especially one who transports his mass into a different dimension once he goes intangible.

He doesn't need to. He already exists in a different dimension when he goes intangible.

Feats would say otherwise. J'onn has feats beyond either Thanos and that chick in avengers in telepathy.

This isn't WWH. He has been mindcontrolled and calmed down plenty of times, just recently Venus did it and calmed him down. He didn't break free of Thanos and that chick's control by getting angry, did he?

Depending on how pissed the Hulk is, mind control will not work. We saw this instance when he went berserk on Onslaught. That was the Hulk with Banner pushed all the way back, to an almost dormant state. In other words a pure rage monster. Are we going with the characters at their best here, or what? If it's at their best, the Hulk isn't getting mind whammied, and he is capable of touching phantoms, energy beings, and astral planar beings. This has always been a part of his power set. J'onn would pass out from the amount of rage fueling the Hulk, so he wouldn't be a good opponent for the Hulk to face.

Physically J'onn is a beast, but he isn't anywhere near the Hulk. How many Hercs would J'onn possibly register? I say J'onn and Hercules are about even in terms of strength, with a possible slight edge to Hercules.

J'onn does have the speed advantage, and this would be his best bet. He would or should BFR the Hulk, but that option is turned off in this battle.