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Thor
vs.
Superman
vs
Martian Manhunter
vs.
Orion
vs
Silver Surfer

inspired by carver's thread

Free for all
-All combatants are cip/cis less, bloodlusted.

so bring out your torquasm vo's, your darkseid clobbering astro force wielder, your antiforce celestial busters, etc.

Surfer. After that Enslavers feat where he displayed matter manip on a massive scale, I became a believer. What a CISless Surfer could do with that is scary.

Forum j'onn must be a beast and could see him taking this.

Superman sings all of them out of existence in less than a nanosecond.Originally posted by zopzop
Surfer. After that Enslavers feat where he displayed matter manip on a massive scale, I became a believer. What a CISless Surfer could do with that is scary.
Really? What if I tell you that people like firestorm have transmuted things big enough to destroy earth or Adam Warlock transmuted a whole planet?

Surfer or Thor due to sheer variety and haxness of powers. My third pick for a 'forum mode' winner, would be MM.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Surfer or Thor due to sheer variety and haxness of powers. My third pick for a 'forum mode' winner, would be MM.

This. No contest.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Surfer or Thor due to sheer variety and haxness of powers. My third pick for a 'forum mode' winner, would be MM.
The versatility would do jack shit to them if they no longer exist.

A superman that speed blitzes and is willing to tear body parts and limbs is my vote.

Surfer insta-kills the lot of them.

Surfer wins this in a stomp.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer insta-kills the lot of them.

Surfer wins this in a stomp.
Surfer gets his neck snapped before he can realize what happened. At least he won't even feel it, there's some consolation for you.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
Surfer gets his neck snapped before he can realize what happened. At least he won't even feel it, there's some consolation for you. He literally won't feel it, as in it'll be of no consequence to nor any impediment to him and his obliteration of the caped ape.

Originally posted by janus77
He literally won't feel it, as in it'll be of no consequence to nor any impediment to him and his obliteration of the caped ape.
Surfer has survived a broken neck? When? Not that superman needs it. One whistle and surfer gets erased from existence.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer has survived a broken neck? When? Not that superman needs it. One whistle and surfer gets erased from existence. He's survived atomisation, he currently specialises in extending his consciousness into everything and everywhere...

None of these guys stand a chance in a full on CIS/PIS etc free melee with Surfer.


Superman is one of the lesser challengers here.

Originally posted by janus77
He literally won't feel it, as in it'll be of no consequence to nor any impediment to him and his obliteration of the caped ape.
The caped ape peels surfer's skin easier than he peels bananas, then feeds on him while he stomps the rest of the field.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
The caped ape peels surfer's skin easier than he peels bananas, then feeds on him while he stomps the rest of the field.
Your delusions are entertaining, your ignorance of Surfer moreso.

Originally posted by janus77
He's survived atomisation, he currently specialises in extending his consciousness into everything and everywhere...

None of these guys stand a chance in a full on CIS/PIS etc free melee with Surfer.


Superman is one of the lesser challengers here.
Superman would literally make silverware out of surfers body. He can be pretty creative with his heat vision.

Originally posted by janus77
Your delusions are entertaining, your ignorance of Surfer moreso.

Your confidence is nothing but a front to hide your insecurities, that is a crystal clear fact.

Originally posted by janus77
He's survived atomisation, he currently specialises in extending his consciousness into everything and everywhere...

None of these guys stand a chance in a full on CIS/PIS etc free melee with Surfer.


Superman is one of the lesser challengers here.
And got killed by punches by thanos and broken neck by Rulk. When did he survived atomization?

Of course they can. Superman erases him from existence.

Its cute how you feel threatened by Superman. Really cute.

Surfer turns Superman's cells into light blocking ones, then lets him punch himself to exhaustion.

Surfer's not getting hit or touched by anyone.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer turns Superman's cells into light blocking ones, then lets him punch himself to exhaustion.

Surfer's not getting hit or touched by anyone.
Superman has resisted transmutation by beings far above surfer. If he wills it, surfer isn't doing anything to his body.

Superman doesn't needs to touch surfer to erase him from existence.

Superman or Thor

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman has resisted transmutation by beings far above surfer. If he wills it, surfer isn't doing anything to his body.

Superman doesn't needs to touch surfer to erase him from existence.
Superman breaks surfer in half before surfer can even think about transmutation, so no need for superman to try to resist it.

I can already see that this thread won't end well.

Surfer, Thor get the most benefit.

Can still see Superman punching their shit in.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG
Superman breaks surfer in half before surfer can even think about transmutation, so no need for superman to try to resist it.
The guy gets speedblitzed by spider-man, Ganeymede and Midnight Sun FFS. Surfer wouldn't even register superman blitzing him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The guy gets speedblitzed by spider-man, Ganeymede and Midnight Sun FFS. Surfer wouldn't even register superman blitzing him.

Originally posted by Sh3nG L0nG

You tell me, is this guy capable of reacting to superman?

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15204500_feat1fight1ze9.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15204501_feat1fight3sv5.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15204502_feat1fight4gt7.jpg http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/15204503_feat1fight5zw6.jpg

They say surfer has super-speed..............

That was a Carnage amped Silver Surfer btw.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? What if I tell you that people like firestorm have transmuted things big enough to destroy earth or Adam Warlock transmuted a whole planet?
That's awesome. But that's only a small portion of the Surfer's abilities. Add in CL100 strength, planetary level tp/cosmic senses, time travel abilities, intangibility, planet busting power, etc... and he stands head and shoulders above Warlock or Firestorm.

To be fair, IIRC the remaining/jettisoned segment of the Enslaver Worldship the Surfer transmuted into a vast armada was much much bigger than the Earth.

Little relevance to the thread, tho (IMO). Just wanted to put it out there.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You tell me, is this guy capable of reacting to superman?



That was a Carnage amped Silver Surfer btw.
Oh Ahbi..

That's why it's cis/pis less fight. What's the point of trying to lowball?. You had something going with fast reaction time.. Why did you stoop to lowballing again. Convince them with concrete stuff. The way ure going, ure gonna turn this thread into a flame war. If they don't agree, that's their prerogative.

Originally posted by zopzop
That's awesome. But that's only a small portion of the Surfer's abilities. Add in CL100 strength, planetary level tp/cosmic senses, time travel abilities, intangibility, planet busting power, etc... and he stands head and shoulders above Warlock or Firestorm.
Really? Firestorm also has class 100 strength (enough to go toe to toe with an amped Kalibak who oneshotted Orion), energy projection enough to create a star, intangibility and what not. Versatility=/=power.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Oh Ahbi..

That's why it's cis/pis less fight. What's the point of trying to lowball?. You had something going with fast reaction time.. Why did you stoop to lowballing again. Convince them with concrete stuff. The way ure going, ure gonna turn this thread into a flame war. If they don't agree, that's their prerogative.
Surfer has zero reaction feats to contend with superman. Also spidey has blitzed surfer three times. PIS/CIS free doesn't mean you grant new abilities to characters.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer has zero reaction feats to contend with superman. Also spidey has blitzed surfer three times. PIS/CIS free doesn't mean you grant new abilities to characters.
Again.. U do know that Spidey blitzing Surfer is full of cis/pis right? Surfer is ridiculously so much faster than Spidey its not even fair, hence the dumbing down of his character.

Wait unless u really do think Spidey can blitz a cis/cip/pis-less Surfer? If u actually do, then u may need some help.. Na mean?

How often has Lex Luthor managed to tag Superman with an attack?
I'm guessing it's in the double digits ...

Damn the low balling started early this time

Well, Abhi starts from there and then really elevates the "debate"

I'm wondering why the BP arm-bar hasn't been referenced yet as proof that Surfer is susceptible to peak-human attacks upon his person.

Maybe abhi's not come across that scan in the character ownage thread yet.

Superman hada high chance of winning. He had the best healing factor

Originally posted by abhilegend
Really? Firestorm also has class 100 strength (enough to go toe to toe with an amped Kalibak who oneshotted Orion), energy projection enough to create a star, intangibility and what not. Versatility=/=power.
Yup but Surfer has all that AND planet busting power and planetary level tp/cosmic awareness and time travel powers and his matter manip isn't limited in any way (orgainic or inorganic).

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Again.. U do know that Spidey blitzing Surfer is full of cis/pis right? Surfer is ridiculously so much faster than Spidey its not even fair, hence the dumbing down of his character.

Wait unless u really do think Spidey can blitz a cis/cip/pis-less Surfer? If u actually do, then u may need some help.. Na mean?
Three times? One of which where Surfer explicitly stated that he wasn't holding back? You are full of excuses like always.

Surfer is faster than spidey in travel speed. Means shit in combat speed.Originally posted by zopzop
Yup but Surfer has all that AND planet busting power and planetary level tp/cosmic awareness and time travel powers and his matter manip isn't limited in any way (orgainic or inorganic).
Has he? Firestorm's matter manipulation isn't limited to organics either. That was just Ronnie being a dumbass. Creating stars>destroying planets.

Originally posted by janus77
Well, Abhi starts from there and then really elevates the "debate" Originally posted by janus77
I'm wondering why the BP arm-bar hasn't been referenced yet as proof that Surfer is susceptible to peak-human attacks upon his person.

Maybe abhi's not come across that scan in the character ownage thread yet.
Damn, aren't you sore! I'm not lowballing here. If I really wanted to lowball, there are much worse showings for surfer than his armlock.

Spiderman>>>>Shadowdragon

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman>>>>Shadowdragon
Shadowdragon didn't blitz superman. He just avoided Superman using his precognition. If we start counting the people who have dodged and avoided surfer, it'd be a bigger list than your hate for superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer is faster than spidey in travel speed. Means shit in combat speed.

So per your reasoning, Deathstroke and Shadow Dragon >>> Supes in reaction speed? These are cis/pis free eh?
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/wolverine-vs-dare-devil-vs-deathstroke-no-prep-15736.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/ShadowDragon5.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Firestorm's matter manipulation isn't limited to organics either. That was just Ronnie being a dumbass. Creating stars>destroying planets.
Yup and Surfer's created singularities inside people plus he has time travel abilities plus planetary level tp/cosmic awareness.

CIP/CISless Surfer is a beast.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So per your reasoning, Deathstroke and Shadow Dragon >>> Supes in reaction speed? These are cis/pis free eh?
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/wolverine-vs-dare-devil-vs-deathstroke-no-prep-15736.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s132/Erik_Magnus_Lensherr/ShadowDragon5.jpg
In both of them Deathstroke and Shadowdragon only avoided Superman, not outright blitz him. In the case of Deathstroke he was faster than superman thought he was and in case of shadowdragon, he was using precognition and his speed to avoid superman. There are only two speedsters who have blitzed Superman and superman stopped one of them in mid-blitz, zoom and professor zoom.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In both of them Deathstroke and Shadowdragon only avoided Superman, not outright blitz him. In the case of Deathstroke he was faster than superman thought he was and in case of shadowdragon, he was using precognition and his speed to avoid superman. There are only two speedsters who have blitzed Superman and superman stopped one of them in mid-blitz, zoom and professor zoom.
Stop dancing around the point. Do both of those instances involve cis/pis?

Originally posted by zopzop
Yup and Surfer's created singularities inside people plus he has time travel abilities plus planetary level tp/cosmic awareness.

CIP/CISless Surfer is a beast.
He hasn't created singularities in people, he only thought of doing that. Surfer might run away in time after the ass-kicking he get and hide on a planet using his CA.

More than superman? He only has to speak and *poof*, surfer gets erased from existence.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Stop dancing around the point. Do both of those instances involve cis/pis?
Yes. Superman holds back against humans. Carnage controlled surfer and a surfer who said that he wouldn't hold back against spidey anymore don't. Spidey blitzed him both times.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He hasn't created singularities in people, he only thought of doing that. Surfer might run away in time after the ass-kicking he get and hide on a planet using his CA.

More than superman? He only has to speak and *poof*, surfer gets erased from existence.
No, he's actually done it on panel :
http://s13.postimg.org/u4jtw1wkj/301118_annihilationsilversurfeiv2_super.jpg http://s12.postimg.org/li0o3yzu1/301119_annihilationsilversurfeay7_super.jpg http://s12.postimg.org/94ntx2a5l/301121_annihilationsilversurfekp8_super.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. Superman holds back against humans. Carnage controlled surfer and a surfer who said that he wouldn't hold back against spidey anymore don't. Spidey blitzed him both times.
So Surfer a know pacifist will not hold back against fragile squishies like Spidey or Black Panther? That what ure saying? I gotta say, if u actually believe that ure delusional.

So mind controlled Superman isn't usable in threads, but a completely different character controlling Surfer who is just as fast or faster than Spider-Man anyway is absolute proof?

God damn it. lol, this thread has quickly turned into a joke, which is sad as it could have had potential for a decent debate that's centered around lowballing characters.

As for this thread, Doom wins.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
As for this thread, Doom wins.
disgust

Any of these characters with CIP/CIS off would annihilate Doom.

Originally posted by zopzop
disgust

Any of these characters with CIP/CIS off would annihilate Doom.

Doom without CIP/CIS would solo, tbh.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Doom without CIP/CIS would solo, tbh.
You......dare?!
http://siextramustard.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/slap.gif

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes. Superman holds back against humans. Carnage controlled surfer and a surfer who said that he wouldn't hold back against spidey anymore don't. Spidey blitzed him both times.

You are terrible at this. Superman outright admitted Shadowdragon is faster than him. Now make a Spiderman vs Shadowdragon thread.

Originally posted by zopzop
You......dare?!
http://siextramustard.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/slap.gif

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/DoomTroll-1.jpg

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss225/OdinBorson/DoomTroll-1.jpg

Wouldn't Surfer just shrink himself to near-microverse-size, fly into someone and drop a black hole or something?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Damn the low balling started early this time

Surfer should take this.

Superman probably comes in second.

Originally posted by zopzop
No, he's actually done it on panel :
http://s13.postimg.org/u4jtw1wkj/301118_annihilationsilversurfeiv2_super.jpg http://s12.postimg.org/li0o3yzu1/301119_annihilationsilversurfeay7_super.jpg http://s12.postimg.org/94ntx2a5l/301121_annihilationsilversurfekp8_super.jpg
He destroyed Air-walker's body and that discharge created a black hole. Where was it said that he would create a black hole *inside* gabriel?Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So Surfer a know pacifist will not hold back against fragile squishies like Spidey or Black Panther? That what ure saying? I gotta say, if u actually believe that ure delusional.
He directly said so. Don't believe me, believe his own words. "Last time I stayed my hand, this time you wouldn't be so fortunate".

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16180439_feat33fight2la5.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16180440_feat33fight3xb7.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16180441_feat33fight6vv0.jpgOriginally posted by carver9
You are terrible at this. Superman outright admitted Shadowdragon is faster than him. Now make a Spiderman vs Shadowdragon thread.
Because of his precognition bro. It wasn't just his speed. Spidey blitzed surfer on pure speed.

So silver surfer wins this, glad that's settled. MMH will the first to die.

Originally posted by 753
So silver surfer wins this, glad that's settled. MMH will the first to die.
Superman wins bro. Agreed on manjobber though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman wins bro. Agreed on manjobber though.

Hm.

Martian Man Handjobber

hmm

Most votes has went to Surfer so far. I guess he wins this.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Hm.

Martian Man Handjobber

hmm
He IS a shapeshifter.Originally posted by carver9
Most votes has went to Surfer so far. I guess he wins this.
Where is the poll bro?

I wish i had done a poll on these. I really wonder how much votes Martian Manhunter would gather?

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
I wish i had done a poll on these. I really wonder how much votes Martian Manhunter would gather?
1...

by MartianMind

Originally posted by abhilegend
He destroyed Air-walker's body and that discharge created a black hole. Where was it said that he would create a black hole *inside* gabriel?
What?

Surfer obviously opened the black hole

"Wouldn't have believed it if not seen with Skreet's two peepers. Surfer tore a hungry hole! Tore one right good"

Orion just to be different

I'll just pretend that Superman, MM, and to a lesser degree Orion do not have super speed and say that whomever avoids getting attacked from behind wins.

Then, there is the fact that there are two Marvel guys that know each other and three DC guys that know each other.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
What?

Surfer obviously opened the black hole

"Wouldn't have believed it if not seen with Skreet's two peepers. Surfer tore a hungry hole! Tore one right good"
He opened one. Just not inside Air-walker's body which was what zop was claiming.

Originally posted by Spire
I'll just pretend that Superman, MM, and to a lesser degree Orion do not have super speed and say that whomever avoids getting attacked from behind wins.

Then, there is the fact that there are two Marvel guys that know each other and three DC guys that know each other.
Nah bro, surfer wins. He would oneshot anyone from DC and then would struggle hard against Thor because he's from marvel. He would win, even though Thor beats him everytime.

Originally posted by 753
So silver surfer wins this, glad that's settled. MMH will the first to die.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah bro, surfer wins.
You've finally seen the light.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
You've finally seen the light.
Fail of epic proportions. Usual for you though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah bro, surfer wins.

This.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah bro, surfer wins. He would oneshot anyone from DC and then would struggle hard against Thor because he's from marvel. He would win, even though Thor beats him everytime.

That is because SS can bear the brunt of a meteor swarm!!!!!

Thor struggles against rocks/boulders/concrete/mountains/etc.

Hardly fair.

Originally posted by Spire
That is because SS can bear the brunt of a meteor swarm!!!!!

Thor struggles against rocks/boulders/concrete/mountains/etc.

Hardly fair.
Both get knocked out by stones and wood. By wood, do you have that scan of a broom and baseball bat owning surfer?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He opened one. Just not inside Air-walker's body which was what zop was claiming.
But he did though. You even see the Surfer's hand phasing into Gabriel's body.

Originally posted by zopzop
But he did though. You even see the Surfer's hand phasing into Gabriel's body.

......

Never really saw that til now. Good eye.

lol

Originally posted by zopzop
But he did though. You even see the Surfer's hand phasing into Gabriel's body.
You mean where he placed an energy charge on his body? We even saw a blast of energy after that which is not possible if there was already a black hole in his body. The energy blast collapsed the meteors surrounding gabriel's body and created a black hole.

I say SS in a CIPless fight

Originally posted by abhilegend
You mean where he placed an energy charge on his body? We even saw a blast of energy after that which is not possible if there was already a black hole in his body. The energy blast collapsed the meteors surrounding gabriel's body and created a black hole.
Seems like your being unnecessarily difficult, he either

A.) Opened a black hole directly

Or

B.) Opened a blackhole indirectly

Either way he turned Airwalker into a black hole, and most of the evidence points towards A.

Superman.

lol at denying that Surfer opened a black hole inside Air Walker.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Seems like your being unnecessarily difficult, he either

A.) Opened a black hole directly

Or

B.) Opened a blackhole indirectly

Either way he turned Airwalker into a black hole, and most of the evidence points towards A.
Like the on panel statement of thanos saying that surfer's energy discharge created the black hole and we even saw the meteors collapsing on the airwalker's body?

I haven't really been reading this thread, but I don't see how a black hole is going to stop Superman.

Originally posted by Cogito
I haven't really been reading this thread, but I don't see how a black hole is going to stop Superman.

I think ppl are arguing "black hole inside the body".

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I think ppl are arguing "black hole inside the body".

It's been shown that Superman's insides are as durable as the outside.

It might slow him down to have a black hole inside him, but it wouldn't outright kill him instantly.

Surfer outright said he can open a singularity in someone at one point. It's very reasonable to assume he opened the black hole in Air-Walker's body.

It's within his capabilities based on this evidence imho.

Originally posted by Cogito
It's been shown that Superman's insides are as durable as the outside.

It might slow him down to have a black hole inside him, but it wouldn't outright kill him instantly.

He had trouble keeping a singularity in his hand. Can you imagine what it would be like having one in his brain?

Superman isn't surviving a black hole in his insides. Let's not get silly here guys.

Surfer stated he can do this, but thru character comments, tho.

http://i.imgur.com/4mIWA3P.jpg

Sorry for the poor scan quality, tho.

Edit. To those with poor eyesight, Surfer said:

"I could squash them with a gesture. I could expand the orbits of their electrons until they phased out of reality"

"I could saturate their brains with energy until their skulls popped and their souls dissolved"

"I could boil their fluids. Crumple their machines and build singularities in their eyes--all without effort"

Originally posted by Cogito
It's been shown that Superman's insides are as durable as the outside.

It might slow him down to have a black hole inside him, but it wouldn't outright kill him instantly.

It is true that Superman is as invulnerable from the inside as he is from the outside. Even New 52 Superman has been attributed of that.

That said, I do think an actual black hole inside of him would be disastrous, though, given his tendency to survive insanity, I don't think he'd die instantly.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Surfer outright said he can open a singularity in someone at one point. It's very reasonable to assume he opened the black hole in Air-Walker's body.

It's within his capabilities based on this evidence imho.
Surfer also stated once that he held a galaxy in his hand. Must be true. Also Thanos flat out stated that the energy discharge which we saw on the second page caused the black hole if it wasn't obvious enough.Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman isn't surviving a black hole in his insides. Let's not get silly here guys.
He survived holding Bleed, the multiversal solvent inside him. I wouldn't be surprised if he tanks a black hole inside his body.Originally posted by Nibedicus
He had trouble keeping a singularity in his hand. Can you imagine what it would be like having one in his brain?
Surfer can create solar system destroying black holes? How would he get the time when he would be no longer in existence?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer also stated once that he held a galaxy in his hand. Must be true. Also Thanos flat out stated that the energy discharge which we saw on the second page caused the black hole if it wasn't obvious enough.

That's a cool feat for Surfer I guess. You're ignoring on panel evidence for Surfer and yet make up completely random stories for that other guy. Freaking hilarious.

I don't understand, why is that a contradiction? I assumed Surfer placed his energy into Air-Walker, creating a black hole in his body from his body or whatever.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He survived holding Bleed, the multiversal solvent inside him. I wouldn't be surprised if he tanks a black hole inside his body.

So did Lois.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's a cool feat for Surfer I guess. Or that statements aren't feats. Statements are evidences now? You would lose that game against superman. Yeah, you're pretty hilarious.

Story of your life., Except people are claiming that the black hole was made inside Air-walker's body when we saw his body being destroyed by that energy discharge that created the black hole.


Well superman married her for nothing. She was healed though, I would guess bleed was consumed by giving her a new life.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So did Lois.



In all seriousness though, I could see Superman surviving a black hole inside of him for a time. I could see Surfer doing the same, too.

Originally posted by -Pr-


In all seriousness though, I could see Superman surviving a black hole inside of him for a time. I could see Surfer doing the same, too.



Nobody said it wouldn't phase him, it's just not an instant-auto-win.

Originally posted by Cogito


Nobody said it wouldn't phase him, it's just not an instant-auto-win.

agreed.

There's also the question of whether Surfer can open a singularity inside Superman.

Surfer would have to get some energy to actually penetrate his exterior to start the process, and that's easier said than done. He may be able to do it to someone who's no so invulnerable, but Superman's another story.

Originally posted by Cogito
There's also the question of whether Surfer can open a singularity inside Superman.

Surfer would have to get some energy to actually penetrate his exterior to start the process, and that's easier said than done. He may be able to do it to someone who's no so invulnerable, but Superman's another story.

good point.

I think the actual argument was for Surfer to shrink himself to near-microverse size, then enter Superman thru his nose then drop the singularity into his brain.

That or maybe Surfer could just expand himself and brain punch im, Pym style!

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I think the actual argument was for Surfer to shrink himself to near-microverse size, then enter Superman thru his nose then drop the singularity into his brain.

That or maybe Surfer could just expand himself and brain punch im, Pym style!

Has Surfer ever shrunk to near microverse size or is that another assumption?

Originally posted by Cogito
Has Surfer ever shrunk to near microverse size or is that another assumption?

Yup.

http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/galactus/issue2/gtd2-5.jpg

That would be a stupid tactic, tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That would be a stupid tactic, tbh.

How come?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Yup.

http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/galactus/issue2/gtd2-5.jpg

Edit. Also, what's with the whole "another assumption" comment? What was the first one?

Edit2. Awww, dammit. I quoted instead of edited..... faiiiillll

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Edit. Also, what's with the whole "another assumption" comment? What was the first one?

Edit2. Awww, dammit. I quoted instead of edited..... faiiiillll

The first assumption was that he could open a black hole in Superman.

Originally posted by Cogito
The first assumption was that he could open a black hole in Superman.

That wasn't an assumption, tho.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
How come?

basically, if he has anything resembling physical form, superman will be able to see him. and strike him. imagine a surfer that small being struck with normal sized heat vision?

not to mention that superman's own body has defences of its own, and that's not even speaking about internal hv.

Originally posted by -Pr-
basically, if he has anything resembling physical form, superman will be able to see him. and strike him. imagine a surfer that small being struck with normal sized heat vision?

not to mention that superman's own body has defences of its own, and that's not even speaking about internal hv.

This is a free-for-all, tho. If at any time Superman took his eyes away from the Surfer to engage a different opponent, the Surfer can just do this move then. This actually a very good tactic in this type of combat scenario as it cuts down the number of opponents that would be able to sense/affect the Surfer at this size, forcing them to engage other opponents.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
This is a free-for-all, tho. If at any time Superman took his eyes away from the Surfer to engage a different opponent, the Surfer can just do this move then. This actually a very good tactic in this type of combat scenario as it cuts down the number of opponents that would be able to sense/affect the Surfer at this size, forcing them to engage other opponents.

maybe, but once he enters superman (heh), clark would realise something was up.

Originally posted by -Pr-
maybe, but once he enters superman (heh), clark would realise something was up.

hmm

They don't call him the Silver Dildo for nothing.

Wait, what were we arguing about again?

Edit. Heh. Anyway, in all seriousness. Isn't this DCnU Superman? Has he ever sensed/interacted with anything of this size before? Also, what exactly can Superman do once the Surfer enters his orifices (hehe)?

Generally in these fights I pick the most versatile person here. Now while Surfer is the most versatile powerset I think Thor is the most versatile character in terms of not just straight I can do anything versatility but also physical ability, and resistances.

I feel like Thor is the one character in this thread who can hold his own in all aspects of this fight both long range, short range, and exotic abilities.

Of course in these type of fights almost everyone here has the ability to net wins if they play it well enough.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
hmm

They don't call him the Silver Dildo for nothing.

Wait, what were we arguing about again?

Edit. Heh. Anyway, in all seriousness. Isn't this DCnU Superman? Has he ever sensed/interacted with anything of this size before? Also, what exactly can Superman do once the Surfer enters his orifices (hehe)?

Oh, is it DCNU?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh, is it DCNU?

OP mentions T-Vo but at the same time never specified pre-reboot. So, I'm not sure.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh, is it DCNU? That's a good question I was just assuming Pre-Flashpoint

Tho, if I think about it, I'm sure the OP meant pre-DCnU as I'm sure current ones would prolly get stomped due to lack of "feats".

Mention of T-VO made me think it was preboot.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Mention of T-VO made me think it was preboot.

Yeah, let's go with that.

Anyway, what would pre-reboot Superman dp once he realizes that Surfer's "entered" him (heh)?

Internal heat vision, if his own antibodies and immune system didn't take surfer down.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Internal heat vision, if his own antibodies and immune system didn't take surfer down.

Has he ever done that, tho?

Also, Surfer would no doubt be quick (heh) as he will simply go in and out (hehx2) once he deposits (hehx3) the "black hole"( ).

Originally posted by -Pr-
Internal heat vision, if his own antibodies and immune system didn't take surfer down.
How though? The Surfer can still create PC shields or go intangible. Not to mention he's so fast he'd probably just evade them.

Or worse, encasing him in 1 million tons of adamantium. Think about it, he, apparently instantly, tansmuted a HUGE chunk of that ship in the Enslavers arc into a space armada.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Has he ever done that, tho?

Also, Surfer would no doubt be quick (heh) as he will simply go in and out (hehx2) once he deposits (hehx3) the "black hole"( ).

Originally posted by zopzop
How though? The Surfer can still create PC shields or go intangible. Not to mention he's so fast he'd probably just evade them.

Or worse, encasing him in 1 million tons of adamantium. Think about it, he, apparently instantly, tansmuted a HUGE chunk of that ship in the Enslavers arc into a space armada.

We're assuming that, in the first place, Surfer would think to shrink down and enter Superman's body.

We're in to forum avatar versions now.

Originally posted by -Pr-
We're assuming that, in the first place, Surfer would think to shrink down and enter Superman's body.

We're in to forum avatar versions now.

I thought CIP/CIS meant "forum mode avatar" mindset for the characters? As the OP said this was based on carver's thread (which mentioned that CIP/CIS meant "forum avatar mode".

Originally posted by -Pr-
We're assuming that, in the first place, Surfer would think to shrink down and enter Superman's body.

We're in to forum avatar versions now.
Nah the shrinking thing is just one option. But if Surfer really wanted to BFR someone, transmuting the matter around him into millions of tons of Adamantium would end the fight instantly, if not outright kill the opponent.

We've seen he has matter manip on a MASSIVE scale and it's basically instant.

That's leaving aside his time travel options and other insane crap he's pulled like trapping people in his board.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I thought CIP/CIS meant "forum mode avatar" mindset for the characters? As the OP said this was based on carver's thread (which mentioned that CIP/CIS meant "forum avatar mode".

No, it's not forum avatar mode. If I indicated as such, then I'm wrong.

Even outside of CIS/CIP, the character is still bound by their own knowledge and personality. Surfer isn't going to use a power just because he can; same goes for Superman etc.

Originally posted by zopzop
Nah the shrinking thing is just one option. But if Surfer really wanted to BFR someone, transmuting the matter around him into millions of tons of Adamantium would end the fight instantly, if not outright kill the opponent.

We've seen he has matter manip on a MASSIVE scale and it's basically instant.

That's leaving aside his time travel options and other insane crap he's pulled like trapping people in his board.

Yes, but like I said, now we're getting to forum avatar territory.

Originally posted by -Pr-
No, it's not forum avatar mode. If I indicated as such, then I'm wrong.

Even outside of CIS/CIP, the character is still bound by their own knowledge and personality. Surfer isn't going to use a power just because he can; same goes for Superman etc.

Just kinda wondered, cuz I from what I was reading off the OP's stips/comments. I was almost sure he meant "forum avatar mode". Or at least have their corresponding personalities switched off:

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged

inspired by carver's thread

Free for all
-All combatants are cip/cis less, bloodlusted.

so bring out your torquasm vo's, your darkseid clobbering astro force wielder, your antiforce celestial busters, etc.

Originally posted by carver9
Character induce personality which means "every power Thor has shown on panel is usable here". It's basically Thor without a personality hinderance...fighting off powerset.

If not, then, how would this battle be different from the other threads?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, but like I said, now we're getting to forum avatar territory.
True, but going by what he's done on panel it's totally within his abilities.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Just kinda wondered, cuz I from what I was reading off the OP's stips/comments. I was almost sure he meant "forum avatar mode". Or at least have their corresponding personalities switched off:





If not, then, how would this battle be different from the other threads?

carver got it wrong. as usual.

Originally posted by zopzop
True, but going by what he's done on panel it's totally within his abilities.

true, but like I've said before, there's a difference between what a character can do, and what they will do.

Originally posted by -Pr-
carver got it wrong. as usual.

But the OP based his thread on carver's, tho. And even mentioned the special one-of powers. I would think that his intention of creating this thread was exactly that. I mean CIP-free would specifically switch off "Character Induced Personality". I mean the word character/personality is in there. :O

So what exactly would "CIP/CIS"-free mean then?

^ "CIP" is Character Inhibited Power. Not Character Induced Personality. This latter term doesn't even make sense. Originally posted by zopzop
True, but going by what he's done on panel it's totally within his abilities. What -Pr- is probably getting at is that it's possibly within his abilities. But Surfer has never gone Microverse-small to create singularities inside his opponent's form. He's never transmuted tons of adamantium around his opponent out of thin air. He's never actually done these things outside of a fight, let alone in a fight.

A CIP/CIS-less Surfer has forcibly evolved an entire planet to death, has trapped Legacy inside his board, has blown up planets in his fights, has completely drained the energies powering his foes, has BFRed his foe into a post-apocalyptic future, has genetically altered a being to bind him to an ecosystem, etc.

There's plenty to go on from on-panel fights where Surfer cuts loose with both power and versatility that we don't need to theorycraft/invent feats or tactics. That stuff's better left to a tourney or forum avatar thread.

Originally posted by ODG
^ "CIP" is Character Inhibited Power. Not Character Induced Personality. This latter term doesn't even make sense.

Well, I know that part. I was simply commenting on the OP's stipulation wherein he mentioned that this thread was "inspired by carver's thread" which in turn made me think that he intended to use that definition of CIP.

shrug

So, what exactly would CIP/CIS mean? That he still won't kill/use lethal attacks?

Surfer's more likely to energy blast, energy drain, and energy disrupt Superman. Energy disruption might work best, since Superman is a living solar battery. Surfer defeated Wonderman and Vision by throwing their "power stores" out of whack. And when bloodlusted, Surfer's attacks can be planetary.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Well, I know that part. I was simply commenting on the OP's stipulation wherein he mentioned that this thread was "inspired by carver's thread" which in turn made me think that he intended to use that definition of CIP.

shrug

So, what exactly would CIP/CIS mean? That he still won't kill/use lethal attacks? It means that Surfer won't hold back his power(s) and won't be especially stupid according to the demands of plot. In simpler terms, it's Surfer at his best, as seen on-panel.

Originally posted by ODG
It means that Surfer won't hold back his power(s) and won't be especially stupid according to the demands of plot. In simpler terms, it's Surfer at his best, as seen on-panel.

Well, that teaches me to listen to carver.

Anyway, we know that the Surfer can create singularities inside others on panel which is then further corroborated by character statements where he mentioned that he can "build singularities in their eyes--all without effort" when threatened and he simply chooses not to. With CIS/CIP off and bloodlust on, he'd have no such self limitation, would he?

We also know that Superman brain can be affected externally like when Manchester Black pinched one of his cranial arteries to simulate a stroke using TK (IIRC).

Would singularity to the brain really be too far out of the realm of possibility?

I would probably agree about the shrinking thing tho as Surfer never alluded to ever using this tactic in a battle before (tho I maintain that in a FFA, this would be a smart move as this would reduce the number of opponents he has to worry about and make him much harder to hit).

^ That Surfer scan of "singularities inside eyes" isn't canon. Granted, Surfer did create a singularity (that formed a huge black hole) inside Air Walker's body with seemingly casual ease.

If Superman stood still long enough for Surfer to lay his hand upon Superman's head and wasn't trying to defend himself then, no, it's not too far out of the realm of possibility.

Really? In Thy Name isn't canon? Didn't know that. I have the comic but didn't know that it was an alternate reality or something?

I mean I checked this website and it says it is:

http://galaxiesandcomics.com/marvel/comics/inthyname.htm

But that site could be wrong, tho.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Surfer's more likely to energy blast, energy drain, and energy disrupt Superman. Energy disruption might work best, since Superman is a living solar battery. Surfer defeated Wonderman and Vision by throwing their "power stores" out of whack. And when bloodlusted, Surfer's attacks can be planetary.
Superman has resisted everyone of those.

Superman can tank a planet dwarfing jupiter blowing up in his face under a red sun and kryptonite twice.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Has he ever done that, tho?

Also, Surfer would no doubt be quick (heh) as he will simply go in and out (hehx2) once he deposits (hehx3) the "black hole"( ).
Yes. Atom shrunk himself down and his antibodies which were specifically stated to be as tough as his outer body attacked him.Originally posted by zopzop
How though? The Surfer can still create PC shields or go intangible. Not to mention he's so fast he'd probably just evade them.

Or worse, encasing him in 1 million tons of adamantium. Think about it, he, apparently instantly, tansmuted a HUGE chunk of that ship in the Enslavers arc into a space armada.
Creating ships=/=creating adamantium. Superman can also vibrate out of it.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Really? In Thy Name isn't canon? Didn't know that. I have the comic but didn't know that it was an alternate reality or something?

I mean I checked this website and it says it is:

http://galaxiesandcomics.com/marvel/comics/inthyname.htm

But that site could be wrong, tho. Hmm, I could be wrong. Maybe it was Silver Surfer: Requiem that wasn't canon and I mixed the two up.

Can't vibrate through adamantium.

Originally posted by ODG
Hmm, I could be wrong. Maybe it was Silver Surfer: Requiem that wasn't canon and I mixed the two up.

Yeah, I know about Requiem being non canon (as Surfer died there). But I was pretty sure In Thy Name was canon as nothing in the arc contradicted anything in 616.