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As we have seen vs the Elders of the Universe, the Inbetweener can call upon Death itself (the actual Abstract) to destroy his enemies, but this ability surely has limits...

So heres the senario, the IB uses his Death calling ability immediately against the following gauntlet; at what point does his Death calling power fail to destroy his opponent?

His opponents do attempt to fight back and do everything in their power to avoid being destroyed by Death short of BFR'ing themselves or Death from the battlefield...


1) Mephisto outside of Hell...
2) Depowered Tyrant...
3) Mephisto inside of Hell...
4) Demogorge...
5) Kubik...
6) Adult Franklin Ricahrds...
7) Exitar...
8) Zero Hour Parallax...
9) Dawn of Time Anti-Monitor...

stops at kubik for sure.

he can't summon death at every opponent, already explained in the other thread.

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Originally posted by operator616
stops at kubik for sure.

he can't summon death at every opponent, already explained in the other thread.

In this thread he can and does summon Death at every opponent...

Stops at 4, Atum eats Death then punches IB's face off.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
In this thread he can and does summon Death at every opponent...

well, then you should have named the thread "death runs the High powered gauntlet".

inbetweener doesn't use this ability in every fight he gets, this ability isn't even mentioned in any of his bios that he's in.

kubik dwarfs inbetweener in terms of feats, but if we're using death, kubik's bio made it clear that he's below the abstracts despite having feats such as defeating post retcon beyonder (who is at trans-multiversal levels) and his fight with super adaptoid would have destroyed all of the universes.

Originally posted by operator616
well, then you should have named the thread "death runs the High powered gauntlet".

inbetweener doesn't use this ability in every fight he gets, this ability isn't even mentioned in any of his bios that he's in.

kubik dwarfs inbetweener in terms of feats, but if we're using death, kubik's bio made it clear that he's below the abstracts despite having feats such as defeating post retcon beyonder (who is at trans-multiversal levels) and his fight with super adaptoid would have destroyed all of the universes.

Well no...

The reason why its titled the way it is and the OP is presented as such is because all a contestant has to do to "win" is prove capable of preventing Death from claiming him; the contestant doesnt actually have to defeat Death to win...

As a result I think it all fits...

Stops at 1. I don't see any feasible way in which Death would try to claim one of her won agents.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Stops at 1. I don't see any feasible way in which Death would try to claim one of her won agents.



Smart man...

That is a trick part of this thread; I'm not sure if she can (or even be willing to) kill Mephisto...

Afterall, Mephisto stood with the other cosmics against Thanos with the IG; Mephisto might be (in some way) essential to the universe, and thus, not subject to be killed by Death even though Death is much more powerful than Mephisto is...

She'd probaly be more capable of claiming Franklin than she would Mephisto...

^
In the event of Death declining to harm Mephisto, IB is capable of winning on his own. Other than that, they get to 8. Maybe 9.

LOL at "Mephisto stood with the other cosmics". He was getting strangled with one hand by Thanos.

Originally posted by Sundipped
^
In the event of Death declining to harm Mephisto, IB is capable of winning on his own. Other than that, they get to 8. Maybe 9.

LOL at "Mephisto stood with the other cosmics". He was getting strangled with one hand by Thanos.

The IB doesnt attempt to win on his own in none of these senario's; he basically calls Death immediately and watches the fireworks...

But I do agree with you that the IB would clear #1 solo under his own power 10/10 normally...

As a side note, as pertains to Mephisto, he was one of Eternities "cosmic brigade" in the IG arc; he just might not be subject to be killed by Death...

Originally posted by operator616

kubik's ... defeating post retcon beyonder (who is at trans-multiversal levels)
Hey there friend.

I'd just like to point out that Beyonder was a Half Cube being,
when Kubik defeated him.
(afterwards we learned that Beyonder is a special Cube being due to
his irregular development, which didn't allow him to self impose
limitations like his brethren.

As a full Cube being, as Beyonder (not Kosmos or the Maker, which were shells)
his scale of influence over reality is far greater than Kubik's.

^
and this same half cube being was the one causing trans-multiversal destruction

MM and beyonder merged together in fantastic four #319 (same issue where kubik defeated beyonder) to form a cosmic cube which became kosmos, then in fantastic four annual #27, beyonder got separated from kosmos:

http://i.imgur.com/CHDDIjx.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WJGtFC6.jpg

confirmed by 2 2004 bios:

http://i.imgur.com/7WA7I9H.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/7HRXRzR.jpg?1

i have more bios to confirm this if you want.

the same beyonder was causing trans multiversal damage in his battle with molecule man:

http://i.imgur.com/mh6GuVm.jpg?1

and seeing how beyonder actually references several multiverses in that same issue.......

http://i.imgur.com/GEfevH7.jpg

.......it wouldn't be a stretch to say that their trans multiversal battle was causing damage across numerous multiverses.

fact still stands that kubik defeated a being who is at trans multiversal levels.

^^ Ok there, so yea good friend those aren't the facts actualy.

So Facts:

Fact 1: Beyonder was a Half-Cube being when Kubik defeated him.

Fact 2: Beyonder did NOT become whole because he merged with Kosmos.
Beyonder became whole because he merged with most of Owen's power.
(please tell me I don't have to post the scans for that)

Anyway, Kosmos was nothing more than a shell, a form Beyonder took:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16261834_Ko1.jpg


The Beyonder's "essence" (Power!) was ripped out of Kosmos,
this is why Kosmos was fading out of existence without the
Beyonder's Power, or "omnipotence" as stated by Kubik:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16261835_Ko2.jpg

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So,
Beyonder was Whole when he and Owen accomplished that Trans-Multiversal feat,
and Kosmos separating from Beyonder had no bearing on his power level,
since he (Beyonder) is the power-essence-omnipotence withIN Kosmos.

I remember Thanos stating about "the Maker" (another Beyonder shell)
that these forms/incarnations Beyonder takes like (Kosmos or Maker)
are literally prisons for him,
and basically if you destroy the body (shell) you release the true power of the Beyonder,
again, his "Essence" ...

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16261837_Ko4.jpg

That's literally what they really feared, Not "the Maker." (another Kosmos)

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That above, solidifies my point as fact.

So fact still stands Kubik defeated Beyonder at Half power,
which is completely different to the monster Owen unleashed,
a complete Beyonder
which evidently makes him more powerful than any Cube being,
save for Owen's Cube being level.

btw. I've suggested that for many years now concerning the Trans-Multiversal feat,
it could definitely have meant all Multiverses,
but definitely without question more than the prime Multiverse.

1. i never denied that beyonder is a half cube being, my point is that he was half cube being while fighting MM when he caused trans multiversal damage.

2. ok, where did i say that he merged with kosmos? that would be stupid to say considering beyonder and molecule man merged to form a cosmic cube......

http://i.imgur.com/DRs0jgF.jpg

..........and this cosmic cube then became kosmos:

http://i.imgur.com/Q7N4I9Q.jpg



shell? kosmos took a female form because she disliked the male configuration, this is also stated in the handbook:

http://i.imgur.com/T8tHoUT.jpg?1

and what gave you the impression that essennce = power? in fact the context shows otherwise.......

http://i.imgur.com/iJxfORs.jpg?1

the cube separated owen's essence from his power, so clearly essence does not equate to power.


im not sure why you think beyonder was whole when fighting molecule man, the only thing that makes him whole is if he merges with molecule man:

http://i.imgur.com/CF8CcJh.jpg

so when beyonder was extracted from kosmos, that was the same beyonder who merged with owen (or most of his power since he gave a small portion away to his lover and then it was returned to him) which was the same beyonder who got defeated by kubik.


and if beyonder is kosmos' power, as you make it out to be, kosmos wouldn't be fading away, she would be powerless.


maker's case is different from kosmos......maker is a mortal form of kosmos, this is why she was so vulnerable, and this is why thanos managed to beat her and shut her mind, imprisoning beyonder in her own body (as shown in your scan)

http://i.imgur.com/WYb9j7G.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/TA2Teum.jpg?1

Originally posted by operator616

1. i never denied that beyonder is a half cube being, my point is that he was half
cube being while fighting MM when he caused trans multiversal damage.
Exactly. That's where you're mistaken friend.
Beyonder was NOT at half power when he battled Owen.
Again ...
Beyonder separating from his shell (Kosmos) had/has absolutely no affect on his power level.
Because as I already Proved! ... Beyonder is the power.

Kosmos was fading out of existence, because her "omnipotence" (Beyonder)
was taken out of her.



Yes her "omnipotence" ... the Beyonder that battled Owen.
Originally posted by operator616

2. ok, where did i say that he merged with kosmos? that would be stupid to say
considering beyonder and molecule man merged to form a cosmic cube......

.........and this cosmic cube then became kosmos:
You're the one that's trying to make Beyonder a Half Cube being based on his separation from Kosmos. That is incorrect.

Again ... Beyonder became whole! ... Kosmos is just a shell/form/incarnation taken by Beyonder.

Already proven.
Originally posted by operator616

shell? kosmos took a female form because she disliked the male configuration,
this is also stated in the handbook:
A Shell without a doubt! and this handbook excerpt proves absolutely nothing.

Beyonder took on the form of Kosmos, then the Maker,
then back to his old Beyonder self.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16266085_Ko3.jpg

A freakin SHELL! ... proven when Owen ripped his true self out of Kosmos,
and while Kosmos was fading out of existence without Beyonder,
Beyonder was A.O.K. battling a monster and contributing to a Beyond Multiversal feat!

Where the hell is the Maker or Kosmos now? ... ??? ... Beyonder is around.

Come on opr.
Originally posted by operator616

and what gave you the impression that essennce = power?
in fact the context shows otherwise.......

the cube separated owen's essence from his power,
so clearly essence does not equate to power.
...

Friend, you really gotta stop throwing snippets of scans around cause yur confusing yurself.

You do realize their talking about Owen there right? a ... Human being!

Owen was not made out of his power. His power is something he obtained!
So of course his power is not his essence.

But in Beyonder's case, he is an embodiment of energy/power.
His Power/Energy is his Essence. In fact, it is what he is, just like Kubik is made of energy/power.

Without that, they're Nothing!

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16266093_KO5.jpg

If you return with more disconnected scans to challenge this I'll have to ignore it as a circle.
Originally posted by operator616

im not sure why you think beyonder was whole when fighting molecule man, the
only thing that makes him whole is if he merges with molecule man:
so when beyonder was extracted from kosmos, that was the same beyonder who
merged with owen (or most of his power since he gave a small portion away to his
lover and then it was returned to him) which was the same beyonder who got
defeated by kubik.
and if beyonder is kosmos' power, as you make it out to be, kosmos wouldn't be
fading away, she would be powerless.
All this is irrelevant now I'm sure you'll agree.
Originally posted by operator616

maker's case is different from kosmos......maker is a mortal form of kosmos, this is
why she was so vulnerable, and this is why thanos managed to beat her and shut
her mind, imprisoning beyonder in her own body (as shown in your scan)

Nice. But I've known that for many years now. (Beyonder is my most researched character)

It's still just another shell containing the true power/omnipotence/energy of Beyonder:

The Beyonder's "Essence"

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16261837_Ko4.jpg

That was already posted, you must've seen it, but overlooked that fact.

lol, love how on panel evidence is regarded as "throwing snippets of scans - confusing myself"...........

thought about replying but....in return ill probably get a response about posting disconnected scans and "confusing yourself".

eh.....forget it, have a good day, but im done here.

Edited by request.

Originally posted by operator616

lol, love how on panel evidence is regarded as "throwing snippets
of scans - confusing myself"...........
lol? ... regarding the scan you posted about Owen's separation to
try and dismiss that Beyonder's "essence" does not = power?
Oh, most assuredly.
Especially after I had just proven the opposite prior.
Originally posted by operator616

thought about replying but....in return ill probably get a response
about posting disconnected scans and "confusing yourself".
Don't be silly friend. I replied thoroughly. You returned with "confusion."
Originally posted by operator616

eh.....forget it, have a good day, but im done here.
... Cool friend, hopefully now you understand like we all have for years,
that Kosmos didn't add to Beyonder's status as a Full Cube being,
and, Kosmos didn't add anything to Beyonder's power.
Kosmos was Not half of Beyonder's Cube or Power,
but just an incarnation Beyonder took on.

When Beyonder left Kosmos, Kosmos was fading out of existence,
and the last iota of Beyonder withIN her was only enough for her to
struggle out a few words while dying in Kubik's arms.
Several pages later and she's K.O. and disappearing in Kubik's arms.
Meanwhile, Beyonder was fully charged!
wrecking the laws of nature with Owen,
and warping reality beyond the Multiverse, perhaps all reality.

It's really quite simple to see the obvious here.

btw. This understanding runs across alternates as well, cause in the
Mutant X story, the Goblin Queen found a dead Beyonder
body in the center of the earth, and oddly enough it contained the
power of that alternate Beyonder, which the GQ absorbed and added to her own.

except that beyonder wasn't kosmos' full power, sure he was her "omnipotence" (this hyperbolic word is thrown in thousands of marvel issues) but that doesn't take away the fact that we know owen's essence separated from his power (which, along with beyonder's) became kosmos, d'you disagree here?

so explain to me......how come owen managed to achieve the trans-multiversal feat with a portion of a power of his half cube self? i mean, it's only logical to assume that beyonder was half cube especially when there is no mention whatsoever that he was a full cube being.

^ So they retconned the retcon. very cool Mr. M

^^

Originally posted by operator616

except that beyonder wasn't kosmos' full power, sure he was her
"omnipotence" (this hyperbolic word is thrown in thousands of marvel
issues) but that doesn't take away the fact that we know owen's
essence separated from his power (which, along with beyonder's)
became kosmos, d'you disagree here?
Dude, again? ...
Also,
it wasn't "hyperbole" cause On Panel Kosmos was "Nothing" without Beyonder!
Wait, what is Kosmos without Beyonder?
If Beyonder wasn't Kosmos' full power, life-force/spirit,
what other power did she have when he left her body?

You can't mean the "power" to utter a few last words before passing out,
while simultaneously fading out of existence in Kubik's arms.

I mean, the instant Beyonder left, Kosmos begins dying:

(Kosmos (a silhouette now) is quietly able to speak 8 words ... then, goodnight sweetie)

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16272438_Ko6.jpg=http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16272440_Ko8.jpg


Next time we see Kosmos she's on the verge of fading out completely:

(Kubik clearly states that without their "Power" ... they are Nothing!

Power (the Beyonder) which was taken out by Owen)

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16272441_Ko9.jpg

Doesn't get clearer than that!

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To ice the cake though, at the end, Beyonder is on the floor, k.o'd by Owen,
but he's clearly whole, himself, stomped, .. but himself nonetheless,
while Kosmos is a ghost-like figure and if not for Owen would've
blipped out of existence.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16272442_Ko10.jpg

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Finally ... to kill the Beyonder would have wrecked the Multiverse, wow!
while again, irrelevant Kosmos lays in Kubik's arms who was dying
yet ... who cares but psychological horn-dog Kubik:

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16272453_Ko11.jpg
Originally posted by operator616

so explain to me......how come owen managed to achieve the trans-
multiversal feat with a portion of a power of his half cube self? i mean,
it's only logical to assume that beyonder was half cube especially when
there is no mention whatsoever that he was a full cube being.
There is no mention anywhere of Beyonder being half powered or being a half Cube being in that story due to Kosmos.

As for Owen,
it was explained that his "humanity" boosted his potential
with the Cube power he had:

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16266093_KO5.jpg

Imo though, I always thought the "sliver" detail concerning Owen
has been disregarded by writers. That, or it doesn't matter and the "sliver" is enough.
That, doesn't make sense to me, so, I've adjusted to the idea that
whatever amount Owen kept, it was enough to give him Cube being power,
and furthermore, due to his humanity, he's surpassed that cap level.
Basically, I don't even acknowledge the "sliver" detail anymore
since writers don't seem to either.