JVA: Aquaman W/WH Vs Namor

beatboks

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Namor would trash arthur in a physical fight.

AHH I don't think so.

We are talking about the same Arthur who could

1. Smack Superboy around
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/AquamanvVsuperboy2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=12

2. Take hit's from Lobo
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/AquamanvLobo1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=15

3. Take on a JLA that included WW and the Valdarian Gardner plus MMH. A WW blow that put him through a wall and across a city didn't even put him down.
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/AquamanvJLA2-Copy.jpg.html?sort=3&o=8
4. Tank being frozen Solid
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/AquamanV5034page12.jpg.html?sort=3&o=5
5. Tank plasma blasters
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/Aquamanvplasmablaster1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=10
6. Tank SUSTAINED magic blasts
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/Aquamanenduresmagicblasts1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/Aquamanenduresmagicblasts2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/Aquamanenduresmagicblast3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
7. with Strength feats like Sub Diego where he lifted nearly 300 tons
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/aquamanstrength1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3

I could go on to show his speed how he dodges lasers and bullets with ease or the lightning of weather wizard, but there really isn't a point.

I could also show how he's used his TP to know when he was targeted and sense attacks or planned ones ( giving him a huge reaction advantage)

These are all pre Nu52 Aquaman ( that everyone thinks is so upgraded) from an era where they showed off his TP power more than his physical one. Where he has TP read Jonn Jonz, battled and defeated a dimensional entity, ripped white martians new ones or simply shut them down, mind raped another powerful TPer the backlash of which caused every living creature in the sea intense pain.

Add to all of this the healing powers of the water hand and any damage that is actually done to him can be voided almost instantly.

I'll grant that Namor has more consistency of his showings at that level but Arthur doesn't and never did need the water hand. It just made him OP.

-Pr-

Originally posted by comicfan11
He was certainly faster but Namor had more consistent high strength feats and you could argue Namor was more durable.

Yeah.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. Namor would trash arthur in a physical fight.

"Trash" is too strong a word, tbh.

abhilegend

Originally posted by beatboks
AHH I don't think so.

We are talking about the same Arthur who could

1. Smack Superboy around
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/AquamanvVsuperboy2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=12

2. Take hit's from Lobo
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/AquamanvLobo1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=15

3. Take on a JLA that included WW and the Valdarian Gardner plus MMH. A WW blow that put him through a wall and across a city didn't even put him down.
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/AquamanvJLA2-Copy.jpg.html?sort=3&o=8
4. Tank being frozen Solid
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/AquamanV5034page12.jpg.html?sort=3&o=5
5. Tank plasma blasters
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/Aquamanvplasmablaster1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=10
6. Tank SUSTAINED magic blasts
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/Aquamanenduresmagicblasts1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/Aquamanenduresmagicblasts2.jpg.html?sort=3&o=2
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/Aquamanenduresmagicblast3.jpg.html?sort=3&o=0
7. with Strength feats like Sub Diego where he lifted nearly 300 tons
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/Aquaman/aquamanstrength1.jpg.html?sort=3&o=3

I could go on to show his speed how he dodges lasers and bullets with ease or the lightning of weather wizard, but there really isn't a point.

I could also show how he's used his TP to know when he was targeted and sense attacks or planned ones ( giving him a huge reaction advantage)

These are all pre Nu52 Aquaman ( that everyone thinks is so upgraded) from an era where they showed off his TP power more than his physical one. Where he has TP read Jonn Jonz, battled and defeated a dimensional entity, ripped white martians new ones or simply shut them down, mind raped another powerful TPer the backlash of which caused every living creature in the sea intense pain.

Add to all of this the healing powers of the water hand and any damage that is actually done to him can be voided almost instantly.

I'll grant that Namor has more consistency of his showings at that level but Arthur doesn't and never did need the water hand. It just made him OP.
You don't know much about Namor then. The guy has had at least a dozen slugfests with the hulk and has actually won two of them. I can post a dozen showings for him which are better than what you posted. I'm too lazy at this point in morning though.Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah.

"Trash" is too strong a word, tbh.
How about "beat the shit out of arthur"?

JakeTheBank

Namor.

Golgo13

Didn't Aquaman have the power to dehydrate people?

Golgo13

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Aquaman have the power to dehydrate people?

bump

comicfan11

Originally posted by Golgo13
Didn't Aquaman have the power to dehydrate people?

Apart from that the Waterhand could also reach into another character and mess them from within.
And of course control water.

Even without the water hand though Aquaman has this.
Apart from him being considerably faster than Namor, AQ could control even the smallest living sea organisms.
He beat one opponent by controlling the plankton in the water that he breathed and totally wrecked him (issue 23 I believe from the Pfeifer run)

Unless Namor doesn't breath water, AQ takes this.

abhilegend

Originally posted by comicfan11
Apart from that the Waterhand could also reach into another character and mess them from within.
And of course control water.

Even without the water hand though Aquaman has this.
Apart from him being considerably faster than Namor, AQ could control even the smallest living sea organisms.
He beat one opponent by controlling the plankton in the water that he breathed and totally wrecked him (issue 23 I believe from the Pfeifer run)

Unless Namor doesn't breath water, AQ takes this.
Arthur isn't considerably faster than Namor. That's straight up false. Namor has reacted to things travelling at light speed.

comicfan11

Originally posted by abhilegend
Arthur isn't considerably faster than Namor. That's straight up false. Namor has reacted to things travelling at light speed.

No it's the truth.
Aquaman has much better speed feats.

abhilegend

Originally posted by comicfan11
No it's the truth.
Aquaman has much better speed feats.
Like what?

comicfan11

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like what?

Like also dodging light speed attacks and having better quantifiable feats.

Namor's best one's I know are doing 400 knots vs Iron Man in recent years.
And he was also confirmed as slower than Marina (due to her body not creating any friction) and Marina's top speed was around 800 knots or something.

Aquaman has casually done 1000 knots.
And that is not even remotely close Aquaman's best feat.

zopzop

AM's stock is rising while Namor's is plummeting. AM is starting to have decent fights and feats under his belt plus his standard gear is respectable. Let the TP feats start pouring in and it's pretty much game over.

Plus check out AM"s comic sales. Not too shabby.

comicfan11

Originally posted by zopzop
AM's stock is rising while Namor's is plummeting. AM is starting to have decent fights and feats under his belt plus his standard gear is respectable. Let the TP feats start pouring in and it's pretty much game over.

Plus check out AM"s comic sales. Not too shabby.

As a fan of both I wish they were both treated the same way DC treats AQ the past few years.

If anything is proven, is that that a powerful character with ties to such a vast mythology as the underwater fantasy world and Atlantis can be very interesting and epic.

abhilegend

Originally posted by comicfan11
Like also dodging light speed attacks and having better quantifiable feats.

Namor's best one's I know are doing 400 knots vs Iron Man in recent years.
And he was also confirmed as slower than Marina (due to her body not creating any friction) and Marina's top speed was around 800 knots or something.

Aquaman has casually done 1000 knots.
And that is not even remotely close Aquaman's best feat.
Great, aquaman is faster in swimming. How does that makes him far faster than Namor in a fight?

I'm talking about combat speed. Namor has outright caught whizzer blitzing who was faster than Quicksilver, danced around Hercules who has some super-speed of his own and has swimmed so fast that he can make whirlpool as big as Northstar and Aurora could make it together. He has also moved fast enough to use his body as a drill. Has arthur done anything similar?

comicfan11

Originally posted by abhilegend
Great, aquaman is faster in swimming. How does that makes him far faster than Namor in a fight?

I'm talking about combat speed. Namor has outright caught whizzer blitzing who was faster than Quicksilver, danced around Hercules who has some super-speed of his own and has swimmed so fast that he can make whirlpool as big as Northstar and Aurora could make it together. He has also moved fast enough to use his body as a drill. Has arthur done anything similar?

Regularly keeps up with the Flash while in water, faster reflexes than Deathstroke, swimmed so fast that created tidal waves,employed Flash like spinning to create whirpools with his hands, spinned fast enough to create a vacum in the middle of the ocean, created huge whirpools, danced casually around multiple machine guns commenting how it's as easy as he swims, blitzed Power Ring out of water, KOed Olympian (confirmed super speed, AKA the Greek Superman), took on his entire rogues gallery that consists of 100 tonners Deep Six among others and was holding his own blitzing some in the process etc etc .

I've debated Aquaman vs Namor so many times and the outcome is always the same, so I'll save you the trouble about trying to prove that Namor is faster, because it's simply not true.

Edit: forgot to mention, that in Time and Tide Aquaman catches the Flash while he is running on water.

abhilegend

Originally posted by comicfan11
Regularly keeps up with the Flash while in water, faster reflexes than Deathstroke, swimmed so fast that created tidal waves,employed Flash like spinning to create whirpools with his hands, spinned fast enough to create a vacum in the middle of the ocean, created huge whirpools, danced casually around multiple machine guns commenting how it's as easy as he swims, blitzed Power Ring out of water, KOed Olympian (confirmed super speed, AKA the Greek Superman), took on his entire rogues gallery that consists of 100 tonners Deep Six among others and was holding his own blitzing some in the process etc etc .

I've debated Aquaman vs Namor so many times and the outcome is always the same, so I'll save you the trouble about trying to prove that Namor is faster, because it's simply not true.

Edit: forgot to mention, that in Time and Tide Aquaman catches the Flash while he is running on water.
I'd have to see the flash scans. Namor is faster than cap, he also swimmed fast enough to create tidal waves, Namor has created whirlpools from his hands too, created a vacuum too, dodged machine gun fires and lasers, that KO of olympian has nothing to do with speed and Namor has KOED hulk twice, Namor has fought Thor, Hercules, Abomination, Sentry and people like that in h2h and even oneshotted pineapple thing who was legit class 100.

The fact is that Namor is vastly stronger than arthur. He was doing feats like throwing sub-marines filled with water 50 years ago. When Arthur has a feat like setting every seismographs in every laboratory on the planet off in a fight, wake me up.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/TalesToAstonish080a.jpg

Golgo13

Guys, guys, guys. This isn't DCnU Aquaman (Who can give Namor one hell of a fight, physically) this is Pre-Flashpoint Aquaman with his pimp, er I mean Water Hand!

comicfan11

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'd have to see the flash scans. Namor is faster than cap, he also swimmed fast enough to create tidal waves, Namor has created whirlpools from his hands too, created a vacuum too, dodged machine gun fires and lasers, that KO of olympian has nothing to do with speed and Namor has KOED hulk twice, Namor has fought Thor, Hercules, Abomination, Sentry and people like that in h2h and even oneshotted pineapple thing who was legit class 100.

The fact is that Namor is vastly stronger than arthur. He was doing feats like throwing sub-marines filled with water 50 years ago. When Arthur has a feat like setting every seismographs in every laboratory on the planet off in a fight, wake me up.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Strength/TalesToAstonish080a.jpg

I'm not saying Aquaman is stronger.
I already stated that in my first post on this thread.

But he is strong enough to give Namor a fight and using his superior speed, his telepathy and his water hand take the fight.

Seriously as you also admitted Aquaman is at least a faster swimmer if not a fighter also (who I maintain he is) and all he has to do is stay out of Namor's reach and destroy him mentally.

In addition Namor would also have to content with all the marine life AQ summons. They might not be able to actually hurt Namor significantly but they would keep Namor occupied for a while. That includes Krakens, Dragon like creatures and everything else AQ has summoned in the main DC continuity.

And then you have the water hand which controls water (effectively the battle field) and can mess Namor up in melee.

abhilegend

Originally posted by comicfan11
I'm not saying Aquaman is stronger.
I already stated that in my first post on this thread.

But he is strong enough to give Namor a fight and using his superior speed, his telepathy and his water hand take the fight.

Seriously as you also admitted Aquaman is at least a faster swimmer if not a fighter also (who I maintain he is) and all he has to do is stay out of Namor's reach and destroy him mentally.

In addition Namor would also have to content with all the marine life AQ summons. They might not be able to actually hurt Namor significantly but they would keep Namor occupied for a while. That includes Krakens, Dragon like creatures and everything else AQ has summoned in the main DC continuity.

And then you have the water hand which controls water (effectively the battle field) and can mess Namor up in melee.
Namor can communicate with marine life too. Aquaman isn't going to swim away and attack namor mentally, he's too arrogant for that.

Water hand is Arthur's only chance here.

-Pr-

Aquaman isn't arrogant, or at least, he hasn't been since long before the water hand came along.

comicfan11

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor can communicate with marine life too. Aquaman isn't going to swim away and attack namor mentally, he's too arrogant for that.

Water hand is Arthur's only chance here.

Namor is nowhere near the telepath AQ is.
Never was.

AQ mentally beat his exact equal in Kordax so bad he committed suicide to escape the strain.
And in their previous battle all the sea creatures around the entire world were in pain the moment of the battle.
And that is before he even got an upgrade when he gained access to the Clear, which he maintained with the Water Hand.

AQ would defeat Namor either via speed and telepathy or via speed and Water Hand.

And AQ has used telepathy as a mean to end fights consistently (even with the Water Hand during the American Tidal) so it most certainly is not out of character to mind rape Namor after the first few punches.

Plus AQ as I stated before can also control the plankton inside Namor's body and incapacitate him.

AQ has the perfect powerset to take Namor down, without being ridiculously overpowered (although with the Water Hand you can make a case)

abhilegend

Originally posted by -Pr-
Aquaman isn't arrogant, or at least, he hasn't been since long before the water hand came along.
He was arrogant enough to go h2h against Despero.Originally posted by comicfan11
Namor is nowhere near the telepath AQ is.
Never was.

AQ mentally beat his exact equal in Kordax so bad he committed suicide to escape the strain.
And in their previous battle all the sea creatures around the entire world were in pain the moment of the battle.
And that is before he even got an upgrade when he gained access to the Clear, which he maintained with the Water Hand.

AQ would defeat Namor either via speed and telepathy or via speed and Water Hand.

And AQ has used telepathy as a mean to end fights consistently (even with the Water Hand during the American Tidal) so it most certainly is not out of character to mind rape Namor after the first few punches.

Plus AQ as I stated before can also control the plankton inside Namor's body and incapacitate him.

AQ has the perfect powerset to take Namor down, without being ridiculously overpowered (although with the Water Hand you can make a case)
Namor has resisted TP. Even Emma Frost can't go in the corners of his mind where he didn't want her to go.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Random/DarkX-Men3a.jpg

Resists the serpent crown which can and has controlled entire world.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/Sub-Mariner07a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/Sub-Mariner07b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/Sub-Mariner07c.jpg

Frees himself from puppet master's control

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/TalesToAstonish079a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/TalesToAstonish079b.jpg

People like Charles Xavier have failed to do so.

Wins a battle of wills against Morgan le Fay

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/NamorTheSub-Mariner61a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/NamorTheSub-Mariner61b.jpg

TP isn't such a game changer you want to believe.

beatboks

Originally posted by abhilegend
You don't know much about Namor then. The guy has had at least a dozen slugfests with the hulk and has actually won two of them. I can post a dozen showings for him which are better than what you posted. I'm too lazy at this point in morning though.
How about "beat the shit out of arthur"?

I know Namor very well and I have several of those fights with Hulk. Right down to their first tussle in issue 3 of the original Avengers. So what. You claimed Namor would "trash" Arthur in a physical fight. How exactly is he supposed to do that when Arthur has taken blows without significant damage from characters in Hulk's paygrade. "trash" is not on the cards at all. Especially when you add in the healing factor that the water hand gives him which would enhance the durability feats I showed you quite considerably.

LeonBuco666

namor would best aquaman in a physical fight, but given the circumstances aquman takes it, also can aquaman fly? If not that may give namor an advantage given his ability to fly

beatboks

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
namor would best aquaman in a physical fight, but given the circumstances aquman takes it, also can aquaman fly? If not that may give namor an advantage given his ability to fly

Water hand gives him dimensional transportation. I'll take that over flight any day. Namor might fly but Arthur could just teleport above him or in front of him ( or BFR him anywhere).

Also all the feats of Namor resisting TP are completely meaningless. Arthur's TP is unlike any others. it works on the lower brain functions not the higher. In short it affects the instinct not the intellect. That is why he has been able to mind rape white martians, read MMH against his will, telepathically defeat dimensional entities that Jonn' failed to beat and more.

LeonBuco666

Originally posted by beatboks
Water hand gives him dimensional transportation. I'll take that over flight any day. Namor might fly but Arthur could just teleport above him or in front of him ( or BFR him anywhere).

Also all the feats of Namor resisting TP are completely meaningless. Arthur's TP is unlike any others. it works on the lower brain functions not the higher. In short it affects the instinct not the intellect. That is why he has been able to mind rape white martians, read MMH against his will, telepathically defeat dimensional entities that Jonn' failed to beat and more. ah right thanks yeah aquaman wins then, handedly

abhilegend

Originally posted by beatboks
I know Namor very well and I have several of those fights with Hulk. Right down to their first tussle in issue 3 of the original Avengers. So what. You claimed Namor would "trash" Arthur in a physical fight. How exactly is he supposed to do that when Arthur has taken blows without significant damage from characters in Hulk's paygrade. "trash" is not on the cards at all. Especially when you add in the healing factor that the water hand gives him which would enhance the durability feats I showed you quite considerably.
How many times Arthur has taken blows from people in Hulk's paygrade?

comicfan11

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was arrogant enough to go h2h against Despero.
Namor has resisted TP. Even Emma Frost can't go in the corners of his mind where he didn't want her to go.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Guest%20apps/Random/DarkX-Men3a.jpg

Resists the serpent crown which can and has controlled entire world.

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/Sub-Mariner07a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/Sub-Mariner07b.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/Sub-Mariner07c.jpg

Frees himself from puppet master's control

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/TalesToAstonish079a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/TalesToAstonish079b.jpg

People like Charles Xavier have failed to do so.

Wins a battle of wills against Morgan le Fay

http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/NamorTheSub-Mariner61a.jpg
http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp92/clokeagne_supernova/Namor%20Respect/Namor%20titles/Random/NamorTheSub-Mariner61b.jpg

TP isn't such a game changer you want to believe.

None of the above have TP specific to mess Namor up.
Aquaman does.

Add superior speed , telepathy, water hand and crazy durability and it's over for Namor

Also Aquaman was not "arrogant" as you suggest against Despero, since he was never KOed or defeated physically and was doing fine. He actually succeeded in giving MM some time to gather up himself. Not to mention that even pre 52 he tanked Wonder Woman's punches to the face, on land with a smile and without bleeding. Namor's strength is his only slight advantage and is most certainly not enough.

And he certainly is nowhere near as arrogant as Namor generally is.

However you look at this, Namor is outmatched.

Also remember he can destroy Namor internally with a thought via microbe control in Namor's body, and there is absolutely nothing Namor can do. All that while Mind blasting him and blitzing him at superior speed. And if that's not enough there's always the waterhand.

Edit: Aquaman (preboot) has taken hits from Wonder Woman (even better than post boot), Despero, Triton, Slig, Green Lantern, Johny Quick, Starro (blasts), Amazo (point blank Superman heat Vision), Shaggy Man, Lobo, Superboy, Tiamat (a dragon that was owing Power Girl but Aquaman managed to survive and break free from her grip), King Shark, Guy Gardner, Martian Manhunter, etc etc
Namor's strength is not enough for a win.
Not even remotely close.

beatboks

Originally posted by abhilegend
How many times Arthur has taken blows from people in Hulk's paygrade?

More than a dozen less than 2.

Consider Namor has been taken down by Daredevil, and many not much higher. I know it's low showings and I'm not for an instant saying they say anything. My point is he's taken haymakers plenty of powerhouses and explosion, buildings collapsed on him, artillery from war ships. He's lifted tankers out of the ocean over turned oil rigs, supported high rise buildings collapsing while evacuated ( many of these in the 100 to 300 class level) In a purely physical fight I'm not nor have I said he would beat Namor. I said he wont be "trashed" he has too high a durability and a healing factor. In one issue it was shown that he healed so quickly he had layers of scar tissue on top of each other.

You don't end up with a body that can withstand the the pressure of crush depth for a nuclear Sub or can go to the deepest parts of the magelian Trench without being able to take a shit load of damage.

beatboks

Originally posted by comicfan11
None of the above have TP specific to mess Namor up.
Aquaman does.

Add superior speed , telepathy, water hand and crazy durability and it's over for Namor

Also Aquaman was not "arrogant" as you suggest against Despero, since he was never KOed or defeated physically and was doing fine. He actually succeeded in giving MM some time to gather up himself. Not to mention that even pre 52 he tanked Wonder Woman's punches to the face, on land with a smile and without bleeding. Namor's strength is his only slight advantage and is most certainly not enough.

And he certainly is nowhere near as arrogant as Namor generally is.

However you look at this, Namor is outmatched.

Also remember he can destroy Namor internally with a thought via microbe control in Namor's body, and there is absolutely nothing Namor can do. All that while Mind blasting him and blitzing him at superior speed. And if that's not enough there's always the waterhand.

Edit: Aquaman (preboot) has taken hits from Wonder Woman (even better than post boot), Despero, Triton, Slig, Green Lantern, Johny Quick, Starro (blasts), Amazo (point blank Superman heat Vision), Shaggy Man, Lobo, Superboy, Tiamat (a dragon that was owing Power Girl but Aquaman managed to survive and break free from her grip), King Shark, Guy Gardner, Martian Manhunter, etc etc
Namor's strength is not enough for a win.
Not even remotely close.

You left out that space vampire who's superman level ( had a planet moving feat as I recall- though honestly even I call that one PIS). I can't remember his name sorry.

comicfan11

Originally posted by beatboks
You left out that space vampire who's superman level ( had a planet moving feat as I recall- though honestly even I call that one PIS). I can't remember his name sorry.

Starbreaker?
No PIS. AQ is extremely resistant to energy attacks.
Anyway I was mostly listing physical attacks.

And then there's Know Man, the guy who had the entire JLA (Supes, WW, MM, GL, Flash) pinned to the ground with some sort of energy and the only one who was able to break it was AQ (mentioning that he is used to pressure from living in the bottom of the ocean).

beatboks

Yeah Starbreaker ( just went through a couple of wiki lists of JLA enemies and was comming back to list it)

there were a few white Martians too.
as for arrogance the way he manauvered that alien race into revealing their true intent to the world while "playing" arrogant ( and having them on TV) shows he's far from that.

comicfan11

Originally posted by beatboks
Yeah Starbreaker ( just went through a couple of wiki lists of JLA enemies and was comming back to list it)

there were a few white Martians too.
as for arrogance the way he manauvered that alien race into revealing their true intent to the world while "playing" arrogant ( and having them on TV) shows he's far from that.

Aquaman being arrogant, especially in relation to the posterboy for arrogance Namor, is just laughable.

If anything Aquaman (pre or post boot) has come up with plans and strategies many times that helped the JL come out on top.
Took down the alien invasion and took down the magical threat during Waterbearer, before the JL had any idea of what was happening.
Or when he bullied Japan to get to the rebel Atlantis intelligence.
Or in JLA Classified he manipulated his contacts to flush out the big bad of the story.
Etc etc

Edit: also in relation to a previous post he has also taken hits from Solomon Grundy (in addition to all the others I have already mentioned)

-Pr-