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It's two on one, but the one is a beast. Who wins?

team

Not the beast.

I don't know that the beast could take either on the team for a majority...

he couldn't imo. there is canon proof that petey always held some back against kp. kp gets demolished spitefully.

KP still manhandled Red Skull, Daredevil, Captain America. And while it's true about Pete (he always holds back) Fisk nearly broke his hand by grabbing it once. He loses against this team, im just saying.

I'm pretty sure Nth Metal Deathstroke could probably kill Kingpin if he wanted to. He's too smart to let Fisk play to his strengths.

Then Hawkman would just savage him. Stronger, faster, huge damage soak for his weight class, and of course a mace for pummeling his face in.

Either character beats kingpin imo.

Kp could beat an unarmed Ds but, this is spite

Originally posted by leonidas
he couldn't imo. there is canon proof that petey always held some back against kp. kp gets demolished spitefully.

That doesn't explain why Fisk did what SamZED said, not to mention Pete holding back doesn't explain why he let Fisk flat out manhandle him in a shoving contest, pushing him through a thick concrete wall.

That "holding back" line is basically just a retcon since Marvel decided against pulling the trigger on calling Fisk a full blown meta, even though no normal human can do half the things he did back in the day (Leaving fingerprints in a steel beam, for example, or casually opening a heavy safe with one hand that Daredevil can barely move with both. And even among comic book people, how many streets can toss around a complete furniture set, including a solid oak desk, like they're made of cardboard? Which is what he did when he literally pulled the rug out from Spidey's feet once...)

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Kp could beat an unarmed Ds

That would be good for Kingpin if Deathstroke were ever unarmed...

I thought Classic Fisk was, more or less, a physical peer of Spider-man. If that's the case, how is NU Hawkman stomping him?

Deathstroke's also only usually armed with generic guns and his sword. And he's not really faster than Fisk given his feats.

The Nth Metal allowed him to amp himself where he owned Blockbuster. Plus, it seemed that the Nth Metal can protect him by attacking by fire.

Hawkman beats the shit out of him with his bare hands.

Originally posted by Cogito
That would be good for Kingpin if Deathstroke were ever unarmed...

KP has that laser cane often enough to consider it standard gear..

Current Hawkman took a beating from Shaggy Man and kept on fighting. Kingpin is screwed.

Originally posted by Golgo13
The Nth Metal allowed him to amp himself where he owned Blockbuster. Plus, it seemed that the Nth Metal can protect him by attacking by fire. What title/issue was that?

Team Easily beats Fisk here. Easily.

Originally posted by namorsubby
What title/issue was that?

Which feat?

Originally posted by chipguy_okay
I thought Classic Fisk was, more or less, a physical peer of Spider-man. If that's the case, how is NU Hawkman stomping him?

First of all, Hawkman's stronger than Spiderman/Fisk. He's also one of those who's always fighting above his weight class, as he routinely fights heralds and the like. With his mace he can do serious damage to much heavier hitters than Kingpin.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Which feat? Blockbuster. And the fire thing. I haven't seen either. I wanna add them to the thread.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Blockbuster. And the fire thing. I haven't seen either. I wanna add them to the thread.

Blockbuster incident happened in the final issues. Last one, IIRC.
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM_zps24a5e101.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM2_zps4e3b1b43.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM3_zps71f1e661.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM4_zps21136e70.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM5_zps25253cc1.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM6_zpsbb6ab44a.jpg

Releases the full power of the Nth Metal at Morphecus when he's trying to absorb the metal.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM8_zps6bdfa498.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM9_zpsff7f3998.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HM10_zps84d0fce2.jpg

Despite had compound fractures, losing a fatal quantity of blood and a myriad of other injuries Hawkman still battling Shaggy Man,without showing any signs of fatigue.

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HMM_zpsc50325f0.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HMM2_zps6c0ea4f4.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HMM3_zps2fb135ce.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HMM4_zpsc54dec4a.jpg
http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/HMM5_zps3916f8fd.jpg

More scans here.
http://www.comicvine.com/hawkman/4005-8337/forums/new-52-hawkman-carter-hall-respect-thread-679040/?page=2

Originally posted by Cogito
First of all, Hawkman's stronger than Spiderman/Fisk. He's also one of those who's always fighting above his weight class, as he routinely fights heralds and the like. With his mace he can do serious damage to much heavier hitters than Kingpin.

Which Herald level chars has he fought in Nu? NU Shaggyman and Blockbuster are herald level??? Looking at those scans, they didn't do anything someone like Spider-man couldn't. Shaggy didn't fight MM either so we can't just scale him into a class 100 like he once was.

Granted, Hawkman did throw down with Aquaman, but Arthur toke him down with a punch.

Not saying Hawkman doesn't win here because it looks like he does. But bump it up to Spider-man and I ain't so sure.

Going to look over that respect thread though.