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no webs for spider-man, who wins.

Spiderman with no webs is like Wolverine with no claws.

I am guessing you are a Wolverine fan buy your member tag.

Originally posted by python99
Spiderman with no webs is like Wolverine with no claws.

I am guessing you are a Wolverine fan buy your member tag.

i disagree on that.
spiderman is faster, stronger, and more agile than wolverine.
plus he got the spider sense working for him.
i like wolverine , i also like cyclops , superman,Hulk and Namor very much

He ain't stronger than Sabretooth.

Faster? Maybe, but not enough to avoid the claws. There's no way Spidey's dealing enough damage to keep Sabretooth down, without going down himself.

Is it current Spider as in Ock or Pete? Also can he use any other equipment he has on him?

Originally posted by curryman
He ain't stronger than Sabretooth.

Faster? Maybe, but not enough to avoid the claws. There's no way Spidey's dealing enough damage to keep Sabretooth down, without going down himself. Sabertooth has had lots of upgrades but he lack the strength feats to put him on Spider's level. I'd say he's a bit weaker physically.

Originally posted by SamZED
Sabertooth has had lots of upgrades but he lack the strength feats to put him on Spider's level. I'd say he's a bit weaker physically.

Being around Ms.Marvel Rogue's strength level isn't enough?

Spider-Man wins.

Originally posted by curryman
Being around Ms.Marvel Rogue's strength level isn't enough? What showing are you talking about? Knocking out Rogue? Great feat but not enough to place him above Spider-man.

Spider-man is herald level. He knocked out firelord...

Come at me!

I won't.... Cause you're right...

Originally posted by SamZED
What showing are you talking about? Knocking out Rogue? Great feat but not enough to place him above Spider-man.

Really?

Cause knocking out Rogue and trading blows with Ms.Marvel puts him above Spidey in my book.

^If this is ultimately going to come down to who's beaten the bigger and badder strongmen/strongwomen, then you don't want to get into an argument against Spider-Man.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^If this is ultimately going to come down to who's beaten the bigger and badder strongmen/strongwomen, then you don't want to get into an argument against Spider-Man.

Why? Does he beat up a lot of strong women?

It's about the way he beat them though, pure strength. This wasn't a case of adamantium claws.

Originally posted by wolverinos
i disagree on that.
spiderman is faster, stronger, and more agile than wolverine.
plus he got the spider sense working for him.
i like wolverine , i also like cyclops , superman,Hulk and Namor very much

Agreed Spiderman has more attributes to his advantage in this fight, but he has to get in close and without webbing its dangerous against Creed

How Marvel has been up selling Spiderman lately, I think Sabertooth would get the Wolverine treatment.

Originally posted by curryman
Why? Does he beat up a lot of strong women?

It's about the way he beat them though, pure strength. This wasn't a case of adamantium claws.
Your thinly veiled faux misogyny aside, certainly more so than Sabretooth, and the best that he's beaten is also of a considerably higher level than Sabretooth's top adversaries.

Which is relevant how? In case you missed it, I too am talking about purely physical encounters.

Originally posted by curryman
Really?

Cause knocking out Rogue and trading blows with Ms.Marvel puts him above Spidey in my book. Spidey's knocked out people and traded blows with stronger characters. Plus It was a surprise attack. IMO ST needs more and more consistent showings to place him above Spidey. Especially these days that Spider-man pulls class 50+ feats every other month. Not saying he's class 50, only that his strength level is better established than Sabertooth's.

Originally posted by carver9
How Marvel has been up selling Spiderman lately, I think Sabertooth would get the Wolverine treatment. Welcome to the light side of the force!

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Your thinly veiled faux misogyny aside, certainly more so than Sabretooth, and the best that he's beaten is also of a considerably higher level than Sabretooth's top adversaries.

Which is relevant how? In case you missed it, I too am talking about purely physical encounters.

Need to calm yourself a bit. There's no need for mildly hostile posts.

Feel free to bring these high-ones that Spidey beat by purely trading hits, and we'll see who pulls home a consistently higher strength-level.

Originally posted by curryman
Need to calm yourself a bit. There's no need for mildly hostile posts.

Feel free to bring these high-ones that Spidey beat by purely trading hits, and we'll see who pulls home a consistently higher strength-level.
You've done it now.

I'll begin by bringing in the Hulk, and waiting for you to pull out one from Creed's high-end PIS records that can match up to it. Trust me, it'll take quite a while for you to do so, as Creed practically has no feats even remotely comparable to the Hulk one, and this is just one of many that Spider has under his belt.

Which Hulk incident?

I know Spidey's fought him several times.

If it's the news-cast from the Gauntlet then you can safe yourself the trouble. I've seen it, and it ain't even close to "trading blows". And spare me any PIS-comments, you yourself just claimed you'd prove how Spidey's superior by way of slugfesting the Hulk.

The incident where he KO'd Savage Hulk.

It was a physical match-up. Parker overpowered him by way of pure physical strength. Considering how his classic trollish taunting actually makes the Hulk madder(and hence stronger), the feat is more impressive than it looks on the surface.

So you're going to discard your own rules in order to favor Creed over Parker? Let me guess you're going to pull off another rubbish excuse on why Parker's feats don't count, while Creed's does, in an argument that is centered around PIS-fueled feats. Got it.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The incident where he KO'd Savage Hulk.

It was a physical match-up. Parker overpowered him by way of pure physical strength. Considering how his classic trollish taunting actually makes the Hulk madder(and hence stronger), the feat is more impressive than it looks on the surface.

So you're going to discard your own rules in order to favor Creed over Parker? Let me guess you're going to pull off another rubbish excuse on why Parker's feats don't count, while Creed's does, in an argument that is centered around PIS-fueled feats. Got it.

Which incident are you talking about?

Because Spidey using fire-hydrants via his web is hardly a testament to his strength! Nor is it a purely physical matchup.

I wasn't saying your feat didn't count, I was simply saying that you shouldn't be trying to diminish my feats by way of PIS when you're using Spidey vs Hulk as a prime example. And was it your intent to play this by nothing more than high-feats? A contest where anyone who doesn't have their own title would obviously lose against Spidey.

I'm talking about consistency here, and Sabes taking it to Rogue and Ms.Marvel was hardly off-form, and this from a time when he was even weaker than he is now.

its always hard to tell with sabretooth as far as strength.
his best strength feats were during the 80's, feats such as knocking out rogue, tearing off car parts with his arms,being able to squash metal weights, and ripping a gang members arm off.
however he also got feats such as being overpowered and admitting being physical inferior to beast, wolverine ran him over with a jeep and sabretooth was lying under the jeep and couldnt even lift it off of him, the jeep weights 2 - 3 tons.
sabretooth is one of those characters which you just cant decide where to put as far as strength just like omega red and beast.
they all clearly more powerful than a human, but to what degree? i think they are all more or less in the same league of strength.
super human strength class 2 - 10

He did a number on beast during the Psylocke confrontation tho. Not to mention that bullshit-event where he's fighting and killing the Wendigo.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Spider-Man wins.

That's pretty consistent with Spidey these days...

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5898/klaws30021.th.jpg

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http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15821315_vs_Scorpion_2.jpg

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16381885_x68nt.jpg

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That last scan is sick.

I don't see an average above Mrs.Marvel or Classic Rogue.

The one before that is even more insane. That's supposed to be carbonadium tentacles.


EDIT: I can post scans of Spider-man trading punches and even KOing chars in that weight class and above.

Didn't Spiderman blitz ko Absorbing man?

damn those are insane feats for spider man, never knew he was that physically strong.

Originally posted by SamZED


http://imageshack.us/a/img443/2034/jet1z.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img811/4733/jet2j.jpghttp://imageshack.us/a/img411/6060/jet3.jpg

Wow that's as great a quantifiable strength feat for spidey you can find.

Spidey ftw.

Spidy via webbing incapacitation, or Sabretooth via anything else.

Originally posted by SamZED
Spidey's knocked out people and traded blows with stronger characters. Plus It was a surprise attack. IMO ST needs more and more consistent showings to place him above Spidey. Especially these days that Spider-man pulls class 50+ feats every other month. Not saying he's class 50, only that his strength level is better established than Sabertooth's.

*Thumbs up*

The term Spiderman vs Firelord exists because Spidey's kind of the poster child for competing well outside his weight class, given his supposed stats.

Well, him and Cap.. Maybe Batman too, looking at the Aquaman and Val Armorr fights.

Spidey wins.

Originally posted by cdtm
*Thumbs up*

The term Spiderman vs Firelord exists because Spidey's kind of the poster child for competing well outside his weight class, given his supposed stats.

Well, him and Cap.. Maybe Batman too, looking at the Aquaman and Val Armorr fights.

The term exists as the prime example of PIS

Originally posted by curryman
Which incident are you talking about?

Because Spidey using fire-hydrants via his web is hardly a testament to his strength! Nor is it a purely physical matchup.

I wasn't saying your feat didn't count, I was simply saying that you shouldn't be trying to diminish my feats by way of PIS when you're using Spidey vs Hulk as a prime example. And was it your intent to play this by nothing more than high-feats? A contest where anyone who doesn't have their own title would obviously lose against Spidey.

I'm talking about consistency here, and Sabes taking it to Rogue and Ms.Marvel was hardly off-form, and this from a time when he was even weaker than he is now.
You know exactly the one that I am talking about.

Then you're completely misunderstanding the crux of this argument. It's about comparing PIS feats with each other, and Spidey's are far better.

Going by this line of thinking, you might as well start claiming that Thor would easily bust up Superman, Silver Surfer or any other high herald for that matter, based on the number of times he's performed exceedingly well against skyfather and Abstract-tier beings. Although I have a hunch that you're going to dismiss all of those instances as PIS, something which doesn't apply to Sabretooth for some reason. /shrugs

Yes.

Spidey's PIS feats are far better.

I don't consider Sabretooth's fight with Rogue and Ms.Marvel to be PIS.

PIS because he can't even physically handle beast in their recent fight.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
PIS because he can't even physically handle beast in their recent fight.
Beast thought Sabretooth had killed his lover, and has had recent upgrades.

Not to mention the fact that Sabretooth won that fight

Originally posted by curryman
Beast thought Sabretooth had killed his lover, and has had recent upgrades.

Not to mention the fact that Sabretooth won that fight

what fight? is it the same fight where sabretooth trashed beast and mocked him?

Sabertooth is not as strong as Ms. Marvel. Thing is - characters often hurt opponents that are way out of their weight class, that does not mean they're as strong physically. Wolverine beat up Roughhouse, yet I don't see him lifting a bus. Here's a scan of Spider-man oneshotKOing a class 90 Griffin:


http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2781/img017v.th.jpg http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5945/img018qk.th.jpg

He's got tons of those feats. Still doesn't make him Piotr Rasputin. Saying that Creed is around Mr. Marvel level of strength just because he can trade blows with her is farfetched considering that on average he's depicted around class 10 tops. And he lacks lifting feats to make an argument that he's stronger. Pete on average is stronger.

Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
PIS because he can't even physically handle beast in their recent fight.



You might want to re-read that issue, because it was Sabretooth effortlessly kicking Beasts ass while shit talking. I don't think Creed was even hit once.

You might also want to reread Wolverine's many fights with Roughouse, because he struggled a lot before he started using his blades...

Originally posted by curryman
You might also want to reread Wolverine's fight with Roughouse, because he struggled a lot before he started using his blades... Why "also"? Srank wasn't talking to me. I never even mentioned Beast.

Wolverine traded blows with him and hurt him. That's the point. Also it's just a random example that popped into my head, there are thousands of them in comics. Hurting someone with hits =/= being equelly strong.

Originally posted by SamZED
Sabertooth is not as strong as Ms. Marvel. Thing is - characters often hurt opponents that are way out of their weight class, that does not mean they're as strong physically. Wolverine beat up Roughhouse, yet I don't see him lifting a bus. Here's a scan of Spider-man oneshotKOing a class 90 Griffin:


http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2781/img017v.th.jpg http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5945/img018qk.th.jpg

He's got tons of those feats. Still doesn't make him Piotr Rasputin. Saying that Creed is around Mr. Marvel level of strength just because he can trade blows with her is farfetched considering that on average he's depicted around class 10 tops. And he lacks lifting feats to make an argument that he's stronger. Pete on average is stronger.

Originally posted by curryman
You might also want to reread Wolverine's many fights with Roughouse, because he struggled a lot before he started using his blades...

...

What?

Originally posted by SamZED
Why "also"? Srank wasn't talking to me. I never even mentioned Beast.

Wolverine traded blows with him and hurt him. That's the point. Also it's just a random example that popped into my head, there are thousands of them in comics. Hurting someone with hits =/= being equelly strong.

Traded blows with Roughouse and hurt him?

I can only think of one incident where Wolverine straight up beat him with his fists, other than that his punches generally don't affect him that much.

I don't disagree with your claim that fighting someone generally doesn't indicate that they're equally strong, but look at Sabretooth's fights...

Wolverine beat Abomination with fists. He's class 100 now.

Originally posted by curryman
Traded blows with Roughouse and hurt him?

I can only think of one incident where Wolverine straight up beat him with his fists, other than that his punches generally don't affect him that much.

I don't disagree with your claim that fighting someone generally doesn't indicate that they're equally strong, but look at Sabretooth's fights... It's been awhile but Im positive Wolverine hurt him several times with his hits.

Originally posted by SamZED
It's been awhile but Im positive Wolverine hurt him several times with his hits.
The first time Roughouse started laughing. I've only read four of their fights, might be missing one or two.

It doesn't matter much tho, even if Spidey happened to be stronger than Sabretooth, Sabretooth could easily hang with him, given how he hangs with people who are on average, stronger than Spider-Man.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Wolverine beat Abomination with fists. He's class 100 now.
Abomination is class joke. My grandma could beat him with his fists.

Originally posted by curryman
The first time Roughouse started laughing. I've only read four of their fights, might be missing one or two.

It doesn't matter much tho, even if Spidey happened to be stronger than Sabretooth, Sabretooth could easily hang with him, given how he hangs with people who are on average, stronger than Spider-man.
Oh no argument there, I was just comparing their strength, not saying its a deciding factor in a fight.

Originally posted by SamZED
Oh no argument there, I was just comparing their strength, not saying its a deciding factor in a fight.
With the recent way Spidey\s been behaving now, he might be stronger.

Originally posted by curryman
With the recent way Spidey\s been behaving now, he might be stronger. Here's a nice feat for SpOck. Posted it before but it didn't work for some reason. Poor Gargan.

http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15821314_vs_Scorpion_1.jpghttp://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/15821315_vs_Scorpion_2.jpg