Black Bolt vs Maxima

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carver9
Who wins?

Supermex
Boltagon

8/10

zopzop
Maxima all day every day.

Ash_J_Williams
Black Bolt.

Blue Area Vet
The strong silent type.

byrdgang21
Black Bolt

abhilegend
Maxima.

LeonBuco666
Bolt can hang with high tier bricks imo, i think he could go at it with maxima, or just whisper in her ear, ouch.

Galan007
Aside from resisting his brother's telepathy, does BB have any TP-resistance feats of note?

abhilegend
Not any other IIRC and Maximus has straight up knocked out Bolt with a psi-bolt in past IIRC.

Quan113
Black Bolt wins

Carver, REPENT now!!!

dmills
The King shuts down the electrons in her brain.

Galan007
Max doesn't have any electrons in her brain. She's a woman.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
Max doesn't have any electrons in her brain. She's a woman.
A redhead woman.

curryman
Originally posted by Galan007
Aside from resisting his brother's telepathy, does BB have any TP-resistance feats of note?
No, but Maximus' telepathy is considerable.

There are more incidents in favour of Black Bolt (in regards to Maximus) than against him, though you can count on Abhi digging up whatever low showings there are.

abhilegend
Originally posted by curryman
No, but Maximus' telepathy is considerable.

There are more incidents in favour of Black Bolt (in regards to Maximus) than against him, though you can count on Abhi digging up whatever low showings there are.
I just look at averages of characters.

Galan007
Unless that character has an "S" on his chest, eh? ermmnone

Zack Fair
Superman's average is bending over and having his way with the rest of fiction.

Ash_J_Williams
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Superman's average is bending over.

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Zack Fair
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Blackbolt wins 7/10

dmills
Originally posted by Galan007
Max doesn't have any electrons in her brain. She's a woman.

An axiomatic truth thumb up

Glorificus
Split.

Either Black Bolt opens his mouth and KOs her with a whisper, or Maxima somehow decides to get super creative and use her TK to keep his lips shut and/or paralyze his facial muscles...

So it could go either way.

Golgo13
Or mind rape him.

Glorificus
Originally posted by Golgo13
Or mind rape him.

Don't see that happening before he opens his mouth.

He's resisted Maximus's TP/mind control. So even if Maxima did try that, he could certainly resist long enough to just open his mouth.

TK is really her only way to go. She's gotta take him out quick before he takes her out quick.

So it could go either way.

Golgo13
Mind raping with a thought is a quicker draw, imo. I dont think bolt has resisted a tp assault on maximas level.

curryman
Is there a higher level than Maximus?

ODG
Maxima is underrated.

But not moreso than Black Bolt.

Which is all besides the point that Maxima would lose to Black Bolt in a fight more often than not.

Golgo13
Originally posted by curryman
Is there a higher level than Maximus?

What are some of his higher end feats? Maxima has easily KO'd the likes of Orion with her TP.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by abhilegend
I just look at averages of characters.

laughing

Right. I can tell by all the high end showings of Thor you have brought up.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Ash_J_Williams
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h1a8
Blackbolt in character would not open his mouth anywhere near the beginning (if at all). Maxima can actually ko him before he decides to talk. Maxima also has shields that can block such attacks. Her Tp and tk are factors that add to her winning

Blue Area Vet
I doubt her telepathic control of electrons, if she can even control them, is anywhere close to BBs control of electrons. I like how people are acting like he doesn't even have this power.

Golgo13
I think he means she can control his mind or mind wipe him. As she did with Orion with a psi attack. She's also taken down Superman with the same attacks.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Golgo13
What are some of his higher end feats? Maxima has easily KO'd the likes of Orion with her TP.

That's higher than Maximus?

Golgo13
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's higher than Maximus?

What has Maxumus done? Plus, from what I hear, it's not the same as pure telepathy.

ODG
Originally posted by Golgo13
What are some of his higher end feats? Maxima has easily KO'd the likes of Orion with her TP. Didn't look easy to me. Someone can feel free to post the entire scene for context.

Golgo13
Originally posted by ODG
Didn't look easy to me. Someone can feel free to post the entire scene for context.

She had the drop on him, but still took him down temporarily.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy24.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy25.jpg

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's higher than Maximus?
She has easily better tp feats than Maximus.

Thing is, Black Bolt literally walks through Maximus's tp with such ease, I highly doubt her tp would be effective against him.
It's gonna be a straight up power vs power thing. She might be more physically imposing, but he can hang with her in that aspect considering who he's dealt with using physicality alone.

I think this comes down to her ferrokinesis/and psibolts that seem to harm opponents physically vs his offensive electron manipulation.

Golgo13
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
She has easily better tp feats than Maximus.

Thing is, Black Bolt literally walks through Maximus's tp with such ease, I highly doubt her tp would be effective against him.
It's gonna be a straight up power vs power thing. She might be more physically imposing, but he can hang with her in that aspect considering who he's dealt with using physicality alone.

I think this comes down to her ferrokinesis/and psibolts that seem to harm opponents physically vs his offensive electron manipulation.

Why do you assume he can just walk past her TP, when Superman, WW, and Orion weren't able to? Plus, BW 2 lost in a TP battle against her.

Under Maximus's profile, it states that his mind control isn't the same as pure telepathy. Which Maxima has.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Golgo13
Why do you assume he can just walk past her TP, when Superman, WW, and Orion weren't able to? Plus, BW 2 lost in a TP battle against her.

Under Maximus's profile, it states that his mind control isn't the same as pure telepathy. Which Maxima has.
It's not his will power that walks through Maximus's tp. His electron manipulation for some reason acts as a deterrent against tp attacks.
He's shown this more than once.

So he actually has a counter if Maxima goes the tp route.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Golgo13
She had the drop on him, but still took him down temporarily.

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy24.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy25.jpg

Well that's not mind control or a mind wipe. Orion is clearly not KOed. BB's psi resistance is key.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Well that's not mind control or a mind wipe. Orion is clearly not KOed. BB's psi resistance is key.

She's mind controlled Superman and WW. Maxima still put him down and she wasn't even threatened by him anymore. Same could be said with BB. Now, if BB has resisted a TELEPATH on Maxima's level, show some scans and I'll concede.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Golgo13
She's mind controlled Superman and WW. Maxima still put him down and she wasn't even threatened by him anymore. Same could be said with BB. Now, if BB has resisted a TELEPATH on Maxima's level, show some scans and I'll concede.
I just told u he doesn't just have to resist her tp since he actually has a defense for it.

Golgo13
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It's not his will power that walks through Maximus's tp. His electron manipulation for some reason acts as a deterrent against tp attacks.
He's shown this more than once.

So he actually has a counter if Maxima goes the tp route.

Can BB fight off psi bolts (which took down Superman) or BFR?

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Golgo13
She's mind controlled Superman and WW. Maxima still put him down and she wasn't even threatened by him anymore. Same could be said with BB. Now, if BB has resisted a TELEPATH on Maxima's level, show some scans and I'll concede.

How about you show me some scans of her mind controlling Superman as you mentioned.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Golgo13
Can BB fight off psi bolts (which took down Superman) or BFR?
He can get hit with them sure. Her psibolts have a physical effect to them. He can however create electron shields or counter with electron bursts himself.

When you say bfr, u talking about when she's used teleportation?

Golgo13
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy20.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy21.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy22.jpg

Superman also has TP resisting feats (better than Bolt's).

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Golgo13
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy20.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy21.jpg

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy22.jpg

Superman also has TP resisting feats (better than Bolt's).

You call that mind control? Pretty weak. But anyway, BB will defend against it. He has powers Superman doesn't have believe it or not.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You call that mind control? Pretty weak. But anyway, BB will defend against it. He has powers Superman doesn't have believe it or not.

He manipulated him and left him open for attacks. Maxima did not want to kill him. She's fought telepath's like Brainwave on the astral plane and possessed the likes of WW. I think she can incapacitate the likes of BB (at least for a short amount of time) and get the KO.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
Unless that character has an "S" on his chest, eh? ermmnone
Yeah, you see me arguing that superman is infinitely strong in every thread.

roll eyes (sarcastic)

abhilegend
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
laughing

Right. I can tell by all the high end showings of Thor you have brought up.
Wat? I didn't use any low feats for Thor.Originally posted by celeyhyga17
She has easily better tp feats than Maximus.

Thing is, Black Bolt literally walks through Maximus's tp with such ease, I highly doubt her tp would be effective against him.
It's gonna be a straight up power vs power thing. She might be more physically imposing, but he can hang with her in that aspect considering who he's dealt with using physicality alone.

I think this comes down to her ferrokinesis/and psibolts that seem to harm opponents physically vs his offensive electron manipulation.

Bolt doesn't easily walks through maximus' TP which isn't TP in the first place. He's been mindcontrolled against Adam warlock and Thor before, though I can't remember who controlled him atm.

abhilegend
Orion was knocked out there as revealed a few pages later.

Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by Golgo13
He manipulated him and left him open for attacks. Maxima did not want to kill him. She's fought telepath's like Brainwave on the astral plane and possessed the likes of WW. I think she can incapacitate the likes of BB (at least for a short amount of time) and get the KO.

Black Bolt has actually mind controlled Maximus with his electron power.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by abhilegend
Bolt doesn't easily walks through maximus' TP which isn't TP in the first place. He's been mindcontrolled against Adam warlock and Thor before, though I can't remember who controlled him atm.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
This is really cool.
Without using his voice, he destroys a big armored looking building, and goes on a silent rampage. He seemingly shoots lightning out his eyes, and at the end, is completely unaffected by Maximus's (his brother) tp, and then Maximus starts to kiss his ass.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/InhumansVol2-11-15.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/InhumansVol2-11-16.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/InhumansVol2-11-17.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/InhumansVol2-11-18.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/InhumansVol2-11-19.jpg

Golgo13
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Black Bolt has actually mind controlled Maximus with his electron power.

Not convinced it would work on a high class TP.

curryman
Originally posted by Golgo13
Not convinced it would work on a high class TP.
Maximus is high class TP.

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by curryman
Maximus is high class TP.
I never thought he was that uber.. Maxima should be above him no?
Feat-wise at least?

Btw it's such a coincidence that the 2 characters this thread is centered on other than BB are named Maxima and Maximus, with both being tp users...
confused

curryman
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I never thought he was that uber.. Maxima should be above him no?
Feat-wise at least?

Btw it's such a coincidence that the 2 characters this thread is centered on other than BB are named Maxima and Maximus, with both being tp users...
confused

He's almost incontestable in all his showings.

Black Bolt and Luna have developed an immunity to it, that's about it.

Golgo13
He doesnt have true tp. Plus maxima actually has showings agaunst top tp in battle.

curryman
Originally posted by Golgo13
He doesnt have true tp. Plus maxima actually has showings agaunst top tp in battle.
True TP? Elaborate.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by curryman
True TP? Elaborate. DC TP

curryman
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
DC TP
Gotcha smile

Golgo13
Originally posted by curryman
True TP? Elaborate.

Just going off his bio. Maybe it's wrong?

curryman
Oh, so you just read the summary on wikipedia?

Didn't check out any comics or anything like that?

Golgo13
Originally posted by curryman
Oh, so you just read the summary on wikipedia?

Didn't check out any comics or anything like that?

Nope. I asked what are his best TP feats and nobody gave me anything to go off of.

dmills
Originally posted by Golgo13
Nope. I asked what are his best TP feats and nobody gave me anything to go off of.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcu3wdQozQ1rpx2ylo1_400.gif

Golgo13
Ew. Is that a dude or a woman?

dmills
Originally posted by Golgo13
Ew. Is that a dude or a woman?

Nowadays, can't call it.

???

curryman
Originally posted by Golgo13
Nope. I asked what are his best TP feats and nobody gave me anything to go off of.
I'll dig up something.

Golgo13
Originally posted by curryman
I'll dig up something.

Cool, I'm willing to change my vote if he has Maxima type TP feats or better. Maxima has defeated the likes of Brainiac and Brainwave (two elite level TP) in psychic battle.

curryman
Maximus cant beat her in a featwar.

abhilegend
Originally posted by celeyhyga17

One instance only. Maximus has controlled him before twice IIRC.

cdtm
BB should win pretty easily, even if I lost a lot of respect for the character when he basically wanted to genocide the universe.. (The sum effect of genetically altering a race is making that race extinct..)

Golgo13
Originally posted by abhilegend
One instance only. Maximus has controlled him before twice IIRC.

So, BB's not immune to TP/possessive attacks? Or psi bolts for that matter.

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