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Ex-Gays Seek Equal Protection from Supreme Court

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http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2013/July/Ex-Gays-Seek-Equal-Protection-from-Supreme-Court/


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http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0084/0084_01.asp (The Gay Blade)

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OK, someone ban this homophobic scumbag.

Obviously, I don't agree with everything Bill is trying to do, here. But..

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we're singing the same chorus here mr. Han

Ex-Gays Seek Equal Protection from Supreme Court

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnOwJshB9cg

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2013/July/Ex-Gays-Seek-Equal-Protection-from-Supreme-Court/

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0273/0273_01.asp (Doom Town)

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http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5003/5003_01.asp (Sin City)

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JIA, your such a good debater. (snicker,snort).

Ex-Gays Seek Equal Protection from Supreme Court

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnOwJshB9cg

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2013/July/Ex-Gays-Seek-Equal-Protection-from-Supreme-Court/


'Gay' Gene Claim Suddenly Vanishes
American Psychological Association revises statement on homosexuality
Published: 05/12/2009 at 9:30 PM
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2009/05/97940/#zZTVEJyqluGjPB80.99



http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0273/0273_01.asp (Doom Town)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIVAld_8kNc

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5003/5003_01.asp (Sin City)

IYLXT5XLmLk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLXT5XLmLk

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0084/0084_01.asp (The Gay Blade)

jl9CxYWwrRs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl9CxYWwrRs



Feeling suicidal? Read the tract below:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0052/0052_01.asp (No Fear)

Could you post the Bible passage where God orders that women who aren't virgins when they marry be stoned to death? I really want to hear some more inspiring wisdom from the Almighty. Oh, and also the line where God tells Moses to slaughter whole villages, including infants, please. There are also a few passages where he forces abortions and miscarriages, but I'm too "spiritually out of league" to find them.

Ex-Gays Seek Equal Protection from Supreme Court

AnOwJshB9cg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnOwJshB9cg

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2013/July/Ex-Gays-Seek-Equal-Protection-from-Supreme-Court/


'Gay' Gene Claim Suddenly Vanishes
American Psychological Association revises statement on homosexuality
Published: 05/12/2009 at 9:30 PM
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2009/05/97940/#zZTVEJyqluGjPB80.99
http://www.voiceofthevoiceless.info/ex-gay-pride/


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIVAld_8kNc

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/5003/5003_01.asp (Sin City)

IYLXT5XLmLk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLXT5XLmLk

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0084/0084_01.asp (The Gay Blade)

jl9CxYWwrRs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl9CxYWwrRs

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0001/0001_01.asp (This Was Your Life)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo3quMMp24U

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0086/0086_01.asp (The Sissy)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ysSkC-EM1k

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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=422284&pagenumber=12#post14425890

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=453885

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=454267&pagenumber=32#post14425895

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=421020&pagenumber=9#post14425925

To both the left's an the right's chagrin, I'm sure sexuality is pretty dang fluidic. I don't think it is set in stone nor do I think people are "cursed" with a certain direction form birth.

I don't think people can be "cured" of homosexuality nor do I think people are born homosexual.

Originally posted by dadudemon
To both the left's an the right's chagrin, I'm sure sexuality is pretty dang fluidic.

Queer theory is a very leftist position.

Fluid? Yes.

Chosen? Not really.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Fluid? Yes.

Chosen? Not really.

I agree. I think our choices can indirectly influence our sexuality, however. I should not say "I think". Our choices actually do indirectly influence our sexuality. In some instances, it can be direct.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree. I think our choices can indirectly influence our sexuality, however. I should not say "I think". Our choices actually do indirectly influence our sexuality. In some instances, it can be direct. I think I agree with that. Huzzah and *high five*

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think I agree with that. Huzzah and *high five*


lol

It is pretty much something you said to me years ago in the GDF.



I think it boils down to comfort. Whatever you feel comfortable with, eventually becomes your...thing?


The problem is, we (society) don't do a great job of allowing people to do what people feel the most comfortable with. That sounds odd because coming out is usually not "comfortable". But that's the problem: it should be no big deal and no one should really have to "come out".

People who're drawn to homosexuality or other perverse fetishes generally suffers from insecurities and low self-esteem.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Queer theory is a very leftist position.

I don't even understand why people model their beliefs on the matter on their ideology or political system.

Whether or not homosexuality is genetic or nurtured is a question of the biological and neurological sciences, and how our bodies work. The truth may influence morality, but it certainly shouldn't be influenced by what people want nature to give us.

Originally posted by Astner
People who're drawn to homosexuality or other perverse fetishes generally suffers from insecurities and low self-esteem.

Isn't calling homosexuality perverse an assumption based on your subjective opinion?

Also, what are you basing this on. I know a LOT of homosexuals, and work for an organization with thousands of them. The biggest insecurities usually revolve around societal oppression, not anything intrinsic to their orientation.

And even if you're right, what's the point? What are you trying to say with this?

Originally posted by Digi
Isn't calling homosexuality perverse an assumption based on your subjective opinion?
Yes.

Originally posted by Digi
Also, what are you basing this on. I know a LOT of homosexuals, and work for an organization with thousands of them. The biggest insecurities usually revolve around societal oppression, not anything intrinsic to their orientation.
From what I read, sexual orientation is an outlet for one's psyche. Foot fetishism and homosexuality were reflective of the aforementioned, whereas pedophilia and zoophilia implied a more psychotic mindset.

So your views on psychology are stuck somewhere between Aristotle and Carl Jung?

Originally posted by Astner
People who're drawn to homosexuality or other perverse fetishes generally suffers from insecurities and low self-esteem.

This claim is not supported by reality.

Originally posted by Astner
From what I read, sexual orientation is an outlet for one's psyche. Foot fetishism and homosexuality were reflective of the aforementioned, whereas pedophilia and zoophilia implied a more psychotic mindset.

Originally posted by Bardock42
This claim is not supported by reality.

Originally posted by Astner
Yes.


From what I read, sexual orientation is an outlet for one's psyche. Foot fetishism and homosexuality were reflective of the aforementioned, whereas pedophilia and zoophilia implied a more psychotic mindset.

...

When I started gazing at pretty girls when I was 12, I was really expressing an outlet for my psyche.

Originally posted by Bardock42
This claim is not supported by reality.
Elaborate.

Originally posted by Master Han
...

When I started gazing at pretty girls when I was 12, I was really expressing an outlet for my psyche.
No that's the consequence of a hormone rush, and while that in itself can be considered a psychological outlet it's not the psychological outlet we're discussing.

We're discussing how abnormal sexual orientations correlates to low self-esteem.

Originally posted by Astner
No that's the consequence of a hormone rush, and while that in itself can be considered a psychological outlet it's not the psychological outlet we're discussing.


Uh, no, it's not a "psychological outlet", it's the body's evolved mechanism for producing offspring and therefore passing on genetic material...



And how would you test this? What studies have been performed to substantiate that homosexuality is biologically caused by low self esteem, while taking into account the self-fulfilling prophecy that societal homophobia will result in many gay people being bullied and therefore having self esteem issues?

And since you label being gay as the effect and not the cause, would making people "convert" from being gay won't get rid of the cause, low self esteem, which is the real problem. Homosexuality itself being "perverse" is arbitrary and irrelevant; who cares about victimless actions that you subjectively deem to be wrong in some manner?

I don't know who you are, but I like you.

Originally posted by Master Han
Uh, no, it's not a "psychological outlet", it's the body's evolved mechanism for producing offspring and therefore passing on genetic material...
The term psychological outlet is a generalization of the term emotional outlet. The desire to procreate is sustained by hormones, hence a response to this desire would be an emotional outlet, and thus a psychological outlet.

Originally posted by Master Han
And how would you test this? What studies have been performed to substantiate that homosexuality is biologically caused by low self esteem, while taking into account the self-fulfilling prophecy that societal homophobia will result in many gay people being bullied and therefore having self esteem issues?
By examining people who've changed sexual orientation from homosexuality to heterosexuality. If a great number of the subjects admit that they turned to homosexuality in a period of self-loathing then it's safe to assume that one's self-esteem may influence one's sexual orientation.

Originally posted by Astner
We're discussing how abnormal sexual orientations correlates to low self-esteem.

No, we're discussing if sexual orientation correlates with self-esteem.

You seem to be thinking of something like "ego-distonic homosexuality" which was ultimately removed from the DSM. The typical treatment for ego-distonic disorders, going back to Alfred Adler at least, is affirmative therapy not curative therapy. Telling people "being gay is not a bad thing" or getting them out of poisonous environments works much better than trying to force a change.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I don't know who you are, but I like you.



Kid's a bulldog. I've been pleasantly surprised too.

Originally posted by Astner
The term psychological outlet is a generalization of the term emotional outlet. The desire to procreate is sustained by hormones, hence a response to this desire would be an emotional outlet, and thus a psychological outlet.


If you wish to base your argument off such ridiculously broad definitions, then obviously "sexual orientation is an outlet for one's psyche", to the point of being almost tautological.

The way you phrased it made it appear as though one's sexual orientation is supposed to reflect some hidden psychological outlook on life.



So...I'm assuming that you have some studies to show us?

There is freedom in Jesus Christ from homosexuality.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=583683&pagenumber=1#post14427173

Are you currently not free of homosexuality?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is freedom in Jesus Christ from homosexuality.


What if I think Jesus is hot...

Originally posted by Master Han
What if I think Jesus is hot...
Well, the body of Christ is a sleek, swimmer's body. All muscled up and toned.

Tell me, when you see Jesus up on that cross, and can't help but think, that he looks kind of hot / Do you want to get down on your knees and start pleasing Jesus? Feel his salvation all over your face?

/smh

didn't see that coming from Astner of all people...

Originally posted by Digi


Kid's a bulldog. I've been pleasantly surprised too.

I'm pretty sure he's a sock troll...so I've been avoiding his posts lest I get in trouble, again.

why are so many cases of pedophilia male on male? I'm not suggesting anything, it just seems odd.

Originally posted by Raisen
why are so many cases of pedophilia male on male? I'm not suggesting anything, it just seems odd.

You have the statistics on this? Might just be a case of confirmation bias, unless this claim is substantiated.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I'm pretty sure he's a sock troll...so I've been avoiding his posts lest I get in trouble, again.

That's the default assumption with most new members, so your caution is well-founded. But I don't recall anyone with his posting tendencies. Doesn't mean he isn't a sock, but the habits don't match...at least not yet.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There is freedom in Jesus Christ from homosexuality.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=583683&pagenumber=1#post14427173

There's also freedom if you're a dude and just happen to like girls. No Jesus necessary.

Originally posted by Digi
That's the default assumption with most new members, so your caution is well-founded. But I don't recall anyone with his posting tendencies. Doesn't mean he isn't a sock, but the habits don't match...at least not yet.

I disagree but that's because I'm right. 313

So, who do you suspect it to be?

Talking about the sock troll in the open? But that's what they want. If you want to discuss it, we can go off KMC.

Originally posted by Digi
You have the statistics on this? Might just be a case of confirmation bias, unless this claim is substantiated.



That's the default assumption with most new members, so your caution is well-founded. But I don't recall anyone with his posting tendencies. Doesn't mean he isn't a sock, but the habits don't match...at least not yet.



There's also freedom if you're a dude and just happen to like girls. No Jesus necessary.

just judging by the news. catholic priests, Sandusky, etc. it seems to overwhelmingly male on male.

Originally posted by Raisen
just judging by the news. catholic priests, Sandusky, etc. it seems to overwhelmingly male on male.

If you are interested, rather than trying to make a cheap argument:

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

Originally posted by Bardock42
If you are interested, rather than trying to make a cheap argument:

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

that proves nothing. it seems like they're changing terminology to suit their argument.

Originally posted by Raisen
that proves nothing. it seems like they're changing terminology to suit their argument.

Well, I guess that's my suspicion answered.

Originally posted by Oliver North
/smh

didn't see that coming from Astner of all people...

I'm not surprised he's a homophobe; then again, he could just be doing it for attention.

Originally posted by Digi
You have the statistics on this? Might just be a case of confirmation bias, unless this claim is substantiated.



That's the default assumption with most new members, so your caution is well-founded. But I don't recall anyone with his posting tendencies. Doesn't mean he isn't a sock, but the habits don't match...at least not yet.



There's also freedom if you're a dude and just happen to like girls. No Jesus necessary.

There are dudes who are bisexual. That's why I said there is freedom--real liberty in Christ Jesus--from sexual perversion/the homosexual lifestyle.


Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Ex-Gays Seek Equal Protection from Supreme Court

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnOwJshB9cg

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2013/July/Ex-Gays-Seek-Equal-Protection-from-Supreme-Court/


'Gay' Gene Claim Suddenly Vanishes
American Psychological Association revises statement on homosexuality
Published: 05/12/2009 at 9:30 PM
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2009/05/97940/#zZTVEJyqluGjPB80.99
http://www.voiceofthevoiceless.info/ex-gay-pride/


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIVAld_8kNc

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYLXT5XLmLk

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0084/0084_01.asp (The Gay Blade)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl9CxYWwrRs

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0001/0001_01.asp (This Was Your Life)

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http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=422284&pagenumber=12#post14425890

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=453885

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=454267&pagenumber=32#post14425895

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=421020&pagenumber=9#post14425925

Originally posted by Bardock42
If you are interested, rather than trying to make a cheap argument:

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

I think it would be important to note that pedophilia is a different type of sexuality.

It is like saying a homosexual male is more likely to rape a woman than a straight male. That makes little sense.

It is a different sexual behavior...that's pretty much mutually exclusive to homosexuality.


Pedophiles sexual preference: prepubescent humans.

Homosexual's sexual preference: same-sex humans.

Heterosexual's sexual preference: opposite-sex humans.


I hope that makes sense.

It makes sense, and it's basically what the link said.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It makes sense, and it's basically what the link said.

I didn't read it until just now. But, holy shit, one dude had a sliding scale that lumped everyone in: varying degrees of how much a pedo everyone is (with the extreme ends being either a complete interest in only children or a complete interest in only adults). That...could work, I guess. But the vast majority of the population would fall on the adult end so I am not too sure how such a sliding scale would be useful?

But, I would note that author of that writing is clearly bias in favor of homosexuals. I don't think genuine research can be done in this area without ethics being called into question and rightly so.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I didn't read it until just now. But, holy shit, one dude had a sliding scale that lumped everyone in: varying degrees of how much a pedo everyone is (with the extreme ends being either a complete interest in only children or a complete interest in only adults). That...could work, I guess. But the vast majority of the population would fall on the adult end so I am not too sure how such a sliding scale would be useful?

But, I would note that author of that writing is clearly bias in favor of homosexuals. I don't think genuine research can be done in this area without ethics being called into question and rightly so.

pretty much. it's not valid. people try real hard to avoid explaining the correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia

Originally posted by dadudemon

Pedophiles sexual preference: prepubescent humans.

I'm sure there are lots of pedophiles who don't care about prepubescent boys and vice versa.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm sure there are lots of pedophiles who don't care about prepubescent boys and vice versa.

I don't get what you're trying to say.

To answer the question of why catholic priests or someone like Sandusky might target males instead of females, the answer might be as simple as opportunity.

In general, little girls are not left with adult men as often as boys are. I'm not sure the correlation between male adults and male victims exists in the first place, but if it did, a comparison to cases of incest might be telling, as those adult males would hypothetically have more opportunity to take advantage of females.

Anyways, to the broader topic, the DSM is not a book of theories, but of applied groupings of symptoms into treatable groups. It isn't meant to say anything about the conditions themselves, especially in terms of their origins, and this is one of the primary reasons why psychiatry is trying to move toward more biologically defined terminology and classification of disorders, so whatever old versions may or may not have said about homosexuality, it was only doing so in terms of "how to treat", not "this is why someone is homosexual".

Going broader still, the conception people have about human sexuality is based on a variety of things that psychology and neuroscience has jettosened in terms of understanding the motivations and choices people make. For instance, I don't agree with the degree of plasticity DDM describes in his take on sexuality, but more core to the issue, using terms like "choice" and the like in the first place is almost at the level of "pop-psych". My issues with his definitions would be much more about how we are talking about humans acting and choosing rather than about how a scale of sexuality is defined. It actually cuts to some of the more unsettling discoveries in psychology, and ones that are entirely counter intuitive, but when we are talking about the origins of something like sexual preference it is a required level of nuance. People have very little control over the choices and actions they feel they decide to make, and this feeling of ownership over one's choices and actions is a product of very specific neurological systems that give us this sense for reasons that were biologically necessary for our species survival. To talk about how one's experiences shape their sexuality, we really have to drop the dualist concept of consciousness altogether, but then we are having a very different conversation.

Originally posted by Oliver North
Going broader still, the conception people have about human sexuality is based on a variety of things that psychology and neuroscience has jettosened in terms of understanding the motivations and choices people make. For instance, I don't agree with the degree of plasticity DDM describes in his take on sexuality, but more core to the issue, using terms like "choice" and the like in the first place is almost at the level of "pop-psych". My issues with his definitions would be much more about how we are talking about humans acting and choosing rather than about how a scale of sexuality is defined. It actually cuts to some of the more unsettling discoveries in psychology, and ones that are entirely counter intuitive, but when we are talking about the origins of something like sexual preference it is a required level of nuance. People have very little control over the choices and actions they feel they decide to make, and this feeling of ownership over one's choices and actions is a product of very specific neurological systems that give us this sense for reasons that were biologically necessary for our species survival. To talk about how one's experiences shape their sexuality, we really have to drop the dualist concept of consciousness altogether, but then we are having a very different conversation.


Of course, I disagree. I think choice and thinking about choices (past and potential future choices) can affect pretty much everything. That's mostly because it is true in the most literal sense.

Let get more specific because everybody likes to talk in vague terms to avoid arguments while appearing smart:

If you think that going to a steamy gay club will be a poor choice for what direction you want to take your sexuality and could influence your sexuality, you could be right and by choosing not to go to that club, you may not experience that aspect of your sexuality WHICH IS STILL THERE even if you don't make that choice to pursue that aspect of your sexuality. That's an example of "indirect" and could be twisted into "direct", as I was describing, earlier.

That is an extremely crude example, obviously. I feel you marginalize choice and overemphasize the idea of pseudo-consciousness (meaning it is an illusion) and this is definitely not the first time you've done so.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Talking about the sock troll in the open? But that's what they want. If you want to discuss it, we can go off KMC.

Nobody gives a sh*t anymore. The mods are on a skeleton crew anyway. If a sock wants to come "troll" a low-population forum, with mostly members who won't actually get upset at anything he says (which is the usual point of trolling, yeah?), and in doing so waste his own time, the joke's on him.

I've long wondered whether the worst punishment for socks would be just to ignore them and leave them be on KMC. With us, we're actually interacting and discussing stuff. Not always productively, but at least it's fun or informational. With someone who's deliberately trolling, they aren't interacting meaningfully, so by definition they're wasting their own time more than anyone's. A meta punishment, I realize, but way more cruel long-term imo.

Originally posted by Digi
Nobody gives a sh*t anymore. The mods are on a skeleton crew anyway. If a sock wants to come "troll" a low-population forum, with mostly members who won't actually get upset at anything he says (which is the usual point of trolling, yeah?), and in doing so waste his own time, the joke's on him.

I've long wondered whether the worst punishment for socks would be just to ignore them and leave them be on KMC. With us, we're actually interacting and discussing stuff. Not always productively, but at least it's fun or informational. With someone who's deliberately trolling, they aren't interacting meaningfully, so by definition they're wasting their own time more than anyone's. A meta punishment, I realize, but way more cruel long-term imo.

Oh, I agree. But I have a bad history with one particular mod that I do not want to tempt. So I try to avoid trouble. The whole "mens rea": if I engage and shit up a thread with lengthy replies when I clearly knew it was a sock troll, then I come under condemnation when my "last straws" are no longer there.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, I agree. But I have a bad history with one particular mod that I do not want to tempt. So I try to avoid trouble. The whole "mens rea": if I engage and shit up a thread with lengthy replies when I clearly knew it was a sock troll, then I come under condemnation when my "last straws" are no longer there.

I wonder if Ush can decode this post.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oh, I agree. But I have a bad history with one particular mod that I do not want to tempt. So I try to avoid trouble. The whole "mens rea": if I engage and shit up a thread with lengthy replies when I clearly knew it was a sock troll, then I come under condemnation when my "last straws" are no longer there.

Heh. Fair enough. Yeah, your record is quite long. The caution is probably warranted.

Even if dadudemon's random belief in my being a sock puppet (???) were true, I fail to see how anything I've been doing constitutes "trolling".

I guess when I disputed the notion that homosexuality was somehow abhorrent, I was really trying to piss off religious fanatics.

Originally posted by Raisen
pretty much. it's not valid. people try real hard to avoid explaining the correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia
Because there does not appear to be a correlation.

http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf

"Researchers have failed to find a consistent connection between sexual identification or sexual orientation label and child sexual abuse."

"Same-sex misconduct ranges from 18 to 28 percent of the reported cases."

Going by that, it looks like it's us heteros doing most of the child touching. There's other stuff I can post if need be. I don't think it's wise to base your argument on a few publicized scandals, especially when they were so publicized partially because of the homosexual angle.

Originally posted by StyleTime
"Same-sex misconduct ranges from 18 to 28 percent of the reported cases."

That represents double what the most liberal (but legit) numbers are for the homosexual population (12%).

Originally posted by StyleTime
Going by that, it looks like it's us heteros doing most of the child touching. There's other stuff I can post if need be. I don't think it's wise to base your argument on a few publicized scandals, especially when they were so publicized partially because of the homosexual angle.

A "per capita" number would be more accurate since there are far more heteros than homos. I give you permission to come up with those numbers. lol

"For instance, in Shakeshaft and Cohan (1994), of the 24 percent of males who targeted other males, all of the offenders described themselves as heterosexual, with most living in married or heterosexual relationships."

Originally posted by dadudemon
That represents double what the most liberal (but legit) numbers are for the homosexual population (12%).

Erm, the number I usually see is ~4%.

It's hard to go from the number StyleTime provided to making statements about the population. What we can say for sure that is relevant to the original question is that most child sexual abuse is not same sex. It is also true that this shows a much higher rate of same sex interaction than in the general population.

I think it is interesting to note that this is a study of educators, which makes it occur to me that we usually have same sex authority structures when children are involved. Male camp councilors for male students. Female teachers for girl's sex ed classes.

I have heard 10% before, so I'd agree that 12% is probably the highest liberal estimate (barring people who think everyone's bisexual).

But yeah, 4% is closer to the common number.

At any rate, between opportunity (as inimalist and sym suggest) and the fact that the assumption of heterosexuality/homosexuality doesn't necessarily apply to pedophiles that explains a lot. Obviously never enough to satisfy Raisen, but what you gonna do.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I have heard 10% before, so I'd agree that 12% is probably the highest liberal estimate (barring people who think everyone's bisexual).

But yeah, 4% is closer to the common number.

I'm one of those ones that think the extreme majority of everyone is bisexual.

The fundy doth protest too much, methinks!

JesusIsAlive, you've finally convinced me to accept jesus christ as my personal savior

































said no one ever

JIA,


Copy Pasting the same thing over and over because people aren't swayed is a form of trolling. Ask yourself, would Jesus troll?

he's likely following the philosophy of "if i can save just one person, then it was worth all the effort." of course even by this it still means that it was not worth all the effort.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I can't save anyone, that's Jesus' job.

ok then why all this spectacle?

makes me wonder "what silly semantics games would jesus play?"

Originally posted by focus4chumps
makes me wonder "what silly semantics games would jesus play?"

Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things? Or is your eye evil because I am doing good?



http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14431186#post14431186

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Is it not lawful for me to do what I wish with my own things?

i dont recall legality being an issue.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Or is your eye evil because I am doing good?

oh great so now you're accusing me of throwing bad juju on you?how melodramatic bro.

i was simply pointing out that you are wasting energy and reaching precisely nobody (except yourself of course).

Originally posted by focus4chumps
i dont recall legality being an issue.



oh great so now you're accusing me of throwing bad juju on you?how melodramatic bro.

i was simply pointing out that you are wasting energy and reaching precisely nobody (except yourself of course).

Okay. I appreciate your concern. But it isn't necessary for you to worry about me wasting energy and reaching precisely nobody. But I am trying to prevent things like this:



http://tv.yahoo.com/blogs/tv-news/report--former-disney-channel-star-lee-thompson-young-found-dead-182359895.html



I don't want even one soul to die and enter eternity without a personal relationship with Jesus Christ through faith.



Moreover, I have plenty of energy. Again, thanks for the concern.



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I wonder how many of these "ex-gays" went public restroom cruising after the conference.

Originally posted by dadudemon

3. Is your self-identity tied very closely to your sexuality making positions like his offensive?


a clever way of evading the fact the the purpose of these 'ex-gays' its to 'prove' that homosexuality is a choice via anecdotal evidence of all 9 people at this apparent rally.

they are not simply expressing pride over their supposed redefining their sexual orientation but rather trying to delegitimize all homosexuals as equal citizens...based on their likely decision to not have enjoyable sex anymore.

how would you feel about an 'ex mormon' rally where people declare that their lives have been turned around by rejecting mormonism on the grounds that its unnatural and evil? all good man?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
a clever way of evading the fact the the purpose of these 'ex-gays' its to 'prove' that homosexuality is a choice via anecdotal evidence of all 9 people at this apparent rally.

1. Evading? Why would my question be evading? Why can't the assumptions be left up to the person I am asking the question to rather than you adding erroneous assumptions?

2. Why is it not possible for people's sexual leanings to change over time when we have real research that shows this to be true?

3. When I am not at work, I'll actually give you my "real" response.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
they are not simply expressing pride over their supposed redefining their sexual orientation but rather trying to delegitimize all homosexuals as equal citizens...based on their likely decision to not have enjoyable sex anymore.

Forgive me for not being intimately farmiliar with all the perspectives of their movement. But, from what I saw, everything you said here was not covered in their "huge press-conference". Seemed they were wanting recognition and to stop the "abuse" they are getting. Now, I could be wrong in my superficial understanding of what they were trying to do. I'm just going by what they said.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
how would you feel about an 'ex mormon' rally where people declare that their lives have been turned around by rejecting mormonism on the grounds that its unnatural and evil? all good man?

lol

So all of these groups think that being gay is unnatural and evil?

Also, ...you clearly are not aware of the "anti-mormon" indstury that exists:


https://www.google.com/#fp=725f0c05b369ad6c&q=ex+mormon+support+group



The anti-Mormon movement has existed before they were even called "Mormons." The ex-Mormon stuff has existed since people could quit the church. There is nothing new, there. If a person is a Mormon and is not aware that people out their think Mormonism is an evil, depraved, or satanic cult, they definitely live sheltered lives. Like...really really sheltered.

Ex-Gay makes about as much sense as "Ex-Straight."

Originally posted by dadudemon
So all of these groups think that being gay is unnatural and evil?

Can you think of any that don't?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Can you think of any that don't?

Most of them?

Edit - For instance, one of the groups said/harped on "you don't stop being attracted to the same sex". I cannot get into while at work but I'll put it much more bluntly in about...4 hours.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=421020&pagenumber=9#post14432098

I have no idea what you're trying to say, JIA.

Are you passive-aggressively insinuating that, because a select group of homosexuals hate ex-homosexuals for converting to heterosexuality, the Bible's assertion of homosexuality as being a sinful practice is somehow proven valid?

This has got to be the most asinine and illogical statement I've ever seen.

I think people are arguing about a few different things.

Mostly my issue is this: Why 'Ex-Gay'? Why not just 'Straight'?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Ex-Gay makes about as much sense as "Ex-Straight."

it makes sense if you decide to believe that homosexuality is an addiction by choice based on the anecdotal evidence of 9 people who are rallying on capital hill. but we're supposed to pretend that none of this is obviously anti-homosexual in purpose...or else ddm's pseudo-objective sensibilities will be offended.

Originally posted by Dolos
I have no idea what you're trying to say, JIA.

Are you passive-aggressively insinuating that, because a select group of homosexuals hate ex-homosexuals for converting to heterosexuality, the Bible's assertion of homosexuality as being a sinful practice is somehow proven valid?

This has got to be the most asinine and illogical statement I've ever seen.

I just want those who are actively living the homosexual lifestyle to know that there is liberty from that abominable, sinful practice through Jesus Christ.

God has zero tolerance for the sin of homosexuality. Those who do such things will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven, so I want to point as many of those living that lifestyle to Jesus so that they can become free.



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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I just want those who are actively living the homosexual lifestyle to know that there is liberty from that abominable, sinful practice through Jesus Christ.

God has zero tolerance for the sin of homosexuality. Those who do such things will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven, so I want to point as many of those living that lifestyle to Jesus so that they can become free.


I don't believe we should fear same-sex practices anymore. We're still procreating so much that our population has reached such magnitude that current geo-economical methods are becoming increasingly ineffective for resource management.

Married gay couples may still want kids, and an increasing number of women are getting pregnant before they're financially independent or emotionally mature enough to be provide for their kids. Financially independent gay couples might provide a better life for these children as adoptive care-takers.

Christianity is full of obsolete libertarian scare tactics, this isn't pre-AD Roma.

Originally posted by Dolos
I don't believe we should fear same-sex practices anymore. We're still procreating so much that our population has reached such magnitude that current geo-economical methods are becoming increasingly ineffective for resource management.

Married gay couples may still want kids, and an increasing number of women are getting pregnant before they're financially independent or emotionally mature enough to be provide for their kids. Adoptive gay couples might provide a better life for these children.

Christianity is full of obsolete libertarian scare tactics, this isn't pre-AD Roma.

Well, with all due respect when you create your own working universe, and habitable earth, and sustain it, all while holding each of the 10^80 atoms in the observable universe together by the word of your power, and write your own living Bible--then I will follow you.

Until then it doesn't matter what you think. Homosexuality is a sin according to your Creator--and my Creator's--Book.



Colossians 1:13-18
13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the Kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His Blood, the forgiveness of sins.15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in Heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist ..



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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
10^80 atoms

Do you adhere to the scientific method or to faith?

The bible's texts contradict the existence of atoms (a discovery made by the scientific method) as it asserts that the earth is 10,000 years old, whereas the scientific method asserts that the earth is 4.54 billion years old. The bible's recount of creation, which is the Word of God, has already been disproved by scientific rigor.

You have already denied the existence of atoms. I am uncertain of our God's existence. However, as I practice the scientific method, I do not believe that Yahweh is God.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=421020&pagenumber=9#post14432098

Why am i seeing this thread just now? Jesus is alive how the little girl from demolition man once said, "fuc u lady".. I told myself i wasnt going to get mad on kmc so i wont but sexuallity has been questioned even in the times of christ or else they wouldnt have brushed on the subject. I being gay have probably slept with more str8 married men then u can imagin and no im not a pro whore or anything like tat just a horny guy. There is so much ive learned about the world being gay and seeing the world with different eyes.. If i told u about some of the practices people do u would be grossed out, but because this is kmc family kid friendly i wont. I will say this much humans are natural animals and some times we forget tat and u can say wat u want to say but u cant control wat people do behind closed doors. Now u can hide behind ur bible and tell people how to live or u can be happy and live for urself. There is a world out there tat u dont know about and ur just a virgin trying to follow the rules.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=421020&pagenumber=9#post14432098

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=421020&pagenumber=9#post14432098

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=421020&pagenumber=9#post14432098

U know wat i miss about being a virgin is the idea of living in a small pure world. One day u grow up and things are not black and white but complex with patterns and shades u couldnt have imagined. Lifes funny u only have 100 years to live from start to finish and no way of knowing wats going to come next, who knows u might get hit by a truck the next day. I tend to be rational, i see people from the church say be good follow the word of god and as soon as church is over turn the other cheek. Jesus was a bad ass in his time, he was a homeless hippy whom was friends with whores and theives..also loved the wine. Could u imagin if he were here today how many people would ignore him. Sure u feed the homeless but do u actually care about them? After they leave do u go above and beyond to make sure they have a place to stay? Do u worry about the hookers like jesus did or pass them by? Do u treat the sick or run wen they cough in ur face. Do u give ur riches away including ur house to strangers? U dont..

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=421020&pagenumber=9#post14432098

Originally posted by Digi
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=421020&pagenumber=9#post14432098

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=421020&pagenumber=9#post14432098

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I just want those who are actively living the homosexual lifestyle to know that there is liberty from that abominable, sinful practice through Jesus Christ.

I just want those who are actively living the homophobic lifestyle to know that there is liberty from that abominably boring practice through gay sex.

Originally posted by Existere
That's interesting. In this context, what does "community" refer to?

Whatever you want it to apply to. Seriously. That's why it is in quotes because it's too broad to pin to something more specific.

Originally posted by Existere
If I were to size up any community as believing that sexuality were iron-clad, I would think the much, much larger voice for that opinion would be coming from the far right. The whole notion seems pretty conservative, doesn't it?

There are little if any of the "far right" making arguments of "ironclad sexuality".

Originally posted by Existere
I just want those who are actively living the homophobic lifestyle to know that there is liberty from that abominably boring practice through gay sex.


Homophobic means "fear of homosexuality".

I don't fear homosexuality. Like God I simply believe that homosexuality is an abominable perversion from what He originally intended as Creator of humankind.

God made us so He gets to make the rules.



Psalm 100:3
Know that the Lord, He is God; It is He who has made us, and not we ourselves; We are His people and the sheep of His pasture.



Yo3quMMp24U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo3quMMp24U




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Originally posted by dadudemon
There are little if any of the "far right" making arguments of "ironclad sexuality". Well, given that it means whatever I want it to, I guess I can say the same thing of the "community".

Originally posted by Existere
Well, given that it means whatever I want it to, I guess I can say the same thing of the "community".

Okay, cool. So we'll get into that previous argument.


So you think that only the LGBT would be the only element to the label of "community" in my use?

JIA : Using UnChristian methods to make more Christians.

It actually disturbs me a little that you and I believe in the same god.

You probably don't believe in the same God. You may think that there's only one God, but it's unlikely that you and JIA have the same concept of God, in fact I'd wager your conceptions of God are so different that you might as well give your respective Gods different names.

Do you believe in Santa Claus, JIA?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Okay, cool. So we'll get into that previous argument.


So you think that only the LGBT would be the only element to the label of "community" in my use? It seemed like the implication, but I didn't think it would be the only one, or even one that made sense given the context, which is why I asked.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You probably don't believe in the same God. You may think that there's only one God, but it's unlikely that you and JIA have the same concept of God, in fact I'd wager your conceptions of God are so different that you might as well give your respective Gods different names.

I was using the vaguest meaning, but you're still right, I suppose.

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/0/7/9/6/9/9/5/Jesus-Has-Two-Daddies-35782920068.gif

Why would u care wat other people do? Its not like their doing it in ur face. Gay people just want the same rights st8 people have. Alot of st8 couples now a days get devorced while gay couples who want to be married in most parts of the world cant. Most religous groups just want to tell people wat to do because they cant stand people not living the way they do, which is in a box. Society is changing the laws are made to meet the needs of the public, gay isnt just one case anymore it can happen to anyone.

Originally posted by rudester
Why would u care wat other people do? Its not like their doing it in ur face. Gay people just want the same rights st8 people have. Alot of st8 couples now a days get devorced while gay couples who want to be married in most parts of the world cant. Most religous groups just want to tell people wat to do because they cant stand people not living the way they do, which is in a box. Society is changing the laws are made to meet the needs of the public, gay isnt just one case anymore it can happen to anyone.

If your house is on fire, you and your wife and kids were sleeping, and I drove by and I saw it burning and I didn't wake you up because I knew you'd be uptight, what would you think of me?



http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=583683&pagenumber=7#post14434040

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=583890&pagenumber=2#post14434377

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=421020&pagenumber=9#post14432098

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14431186#post14431186

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If your house is on fire, you and your wife and kids were sleeping, and I drove by and I saw it burning and I didn't wake you up because I knew you'd be uptight, what would you think of me?



Seriously that is the most pointless & pathetic analogy I've ever read, especially in regards to an argument about gays having equal rights.

So you wouldn't help save a gay couple if their house was on fire but you'd warn their straight neighbours?

I honestly can't see any logic in your response JIA.

Originally posted by rudester
Why would u care wat other people do? Its not like their doing it in ur face. Gay people just want the same rights st8 people have. Alot of st8 couples now a days get devorced while gay couples who want to be married in most parts of the world cant. Most religous groups just want to tell people wat to do because they cant stand people not living the way they do, which is in a box. Society is changing the laws are made to meet the needs of the public, gay isnt just one case anymore it can happen to anyone.

If your house is on fire, you and your wife and kids were sleeping, and I drove by and I saw it burning and I didn't wake you up because I knew you'd be uptight, what would you think of me?


Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Seriously that is the most pointless & pathetic analogy I've ever read, especially in regards to an argument about gays having equal rights.

So you wouldn't help save a gay couple if their house was on fire but you'd warn their straight neighbours?

I honestly can't see any logic in your response JIA.

You missed the point.



I'm warning homosexuals that their house is burning (i.e. they are headed straight to Hell when they die).


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=583683&pagenumber=7#post14434040

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=583890&pagenumber=2#post14434377

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=421020&pagenumber=9#post14432098

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14431186#post14431186

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=583890&pagenumber=2#post14434493

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

You missed the point.



I'm warning homosexuals that their house is burning (i.e. they are headed straight to Hell when they die).




Ha ha ha YES I MISSED YOUR POINT.
Especially when you state, you, your wife & kids are asleep but in actual fact you're referring to homosexuals...

And no, I don't believe homosexuals are going to hell.

If humanity can accept why can't God?

He gave us free-will but clearly didn't state in the fine print that it didn't apply to becoming a homosexual.

So wat ur saying is tat i should adopt because I can and marry a my husband and buy tat nice house in the corner? It wouldnt matter if I were gay we are all sinners in the eyes of god..my question is why is it up to religous types such as urself to push ur beliefs onto people who obviously are not asking for it? Im pretty sure if my house was on fire the neighbours or any strangers would help but u being christian would not, wat values is tat for a christian?

Originally posted by Existere
It seemed like the implication, but I didn't think it would be the only one, or even one that made sense given the context, which is why I asked.

It doesn't seem fair to only include "LGBT" in that label because there are more than just the LGBT community that would have a stake in such a position.


To be clear, do you know what position I am talking about or should I explain?


Originally posted by -Pr-
It actually disturbs me a little that you and I believe in the same god.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
If your house is on fire, you and your wife and kids were sleeping, and I drove by and I saw it burning and I didn't wake you up because I knew you'd be uptight, what would you think of me?

but its really something more like "if i drove by your house and you/your family was sleeping, but i noticed that you didnt have solar panels, a compost bin, and were clearly not recycling...how would you feel if i didn't bang on your door at 3 in the morning to let you know that i disapprove of your way of living."

Originally posted by dadudemon
It doesn't seem fair to only include "LGBT" in that label because there are more than just the LGBT community that would have a stake in such a position.
Right.

Who else, specifically?

Originally posted by Existere
Right.

Who else, specifically?

Not so fast.


This question needs to be addressed, first, before we can go anywhere else:

"To be clear, do you know what position I am talking about or should I explain?"

Originally posted by dadudemon
Not so fast.


This question needs to be addressed, first, before we can go anywhere else:

"To be clear, do you know what position I am talking about or should I explain?" If it's going to make an actual discussion possible, please explain the position exactly as you understand it so we can ensure we're both on the same page.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
but its really something more like "if i drove by your house and you/your family was sleeping, but i noticed that you didnt have solar panels, a compost bin, and were clearly not recycling...how would you feel if i didn't bang on your door at 3 in the morning to let you know that i disapprove of your way of living."

Solar panels are a myth invented by Al Gore and scientists through the internets. Recycling is just another way for Obama and his cronies to steal your hard earned money to give to sick and dying childrens. Is you an idiot?

Originally posted by Existere
If it's going to make an actual discussion possible

well you asked for more logical backflips and so you got it.
and now you know to never presume that again.

my favorite was

"...trying to make sexuality seem ironclad", which of course is complete horsesh1t.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
"...trying to make sexuality seem ironclad", which of course is complete horsesh1t.

My bad. And here I was, reading and listening to people state that they were born gay or born straight. Back to the derp bus, with me, then. WEEE!

Originally posted by dadudemon
My bad. And here I was, reading and listening to people state that they were born gay or born straight. Back to the derp bus, with me, then. WEEE!

i dont recall it being unanimous in that LGBT community that all gay people were born gay and all bi people were born bi. i believed up till this point that it had something more to do with it not being a choice.

also i had believed that a person can have a genetic predisposition to something, and even developing it later in life. stuff like baldness, obesity, cancer...........puberty

save me a seat then.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
i dont recall it being unanimous in that LGBT community that all gay people were born gay and all bi people were born bi. i believed up till this point that it had something more to do with it not being a choice.


Originally posted by dadudemon
...not everyone in the LGBT group thinks that sexuality is static.






Originally posted by focus4chumps
save me a seat then.

The bus is full. You'll have to catch the next one.

nice dodge.

the wheels on the bus go round and round

Originally posted by focus4chumps
nice dodge.

the wheels on the bus go round and round

How is that a dodge when I stated it, myself?















































Before you stated it.


Edit - Oh, you're doing that thing.

that paragraph you skipped over because it contradicts your narrative of "babies are not born sexually attracted to the same sex"

Originally posted by focus4chumps


also i had believed that a person can have a genetic predisposition to something, and even developing it later in life. stuff like baldness, obesity, cancer...........puberty

Originally posted by focus4chumps
that paragraph you skipped over because it contradicts your narrative of "babies are not born sexually attracted to the same sex"

You clearly don't know what "contradict" means.

"deny the truth of (a statement), esp. by asserting the opposite."


And when you decide to make a point that is not nonsensical and laughably stupid, let me know and we can discuss it.