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I see people like Captain America, Wolverine, and others dodge his attacks, is that because comic book writers think he is that slow or because they want to make it interesting?What do you guys think should be shown fast enough to tag these types of charaters?

He's been shown to fight and move at mach speeds(super sonic) since his debut he has been praised for how fast he his in contrast tohis size, hes got some crazy speed fts he is far faster than most street levelers, all of them in fact

^^ I'm no Hulk expert but it stands to reason that considering those facts
guys like Wolvy and Cap dodging Hulk's attacks is silly. (plot necessity)

It just shouldnt happen but its wouldnt be a interesting fight if hulk was just bombing wolvie or cap countless times every 2 seconds

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
It just shouldnt happen but its wouldnt be a interesting fight if hulk was just bombing wolvie or cap countless times every 2 seconds

yeah because he would kill cap and the other avengers easy if they didnt slow him down in some fights

Heh.

Well more like they speed up the streetlevelers I would think.

It's because if Hulk hit a non Wolverine low meta he should splatter them.

Yet people also say people like Cap and Spider-Man should be able to take a hit from Hulk.

Look at the punishment they have taken in the past

That's the reason why people say that

Yeah but when Hulk being controlled by Banner can hook punch a ten ton titanium punching bag it really does hold water imo and make it crumble.

Even Spider-Man shouldn't be able to with stand a Hulk punch

Most people his level shouldn't he one-shotted Luke Cage who is one of the toughest streets out there.

Does Luke Cage have superman like durability?
Just not superman strength, flight and speed...

He has 5 out of 7 durability rating

Durability from Marvel Wiki
Superhuman Durability: Luke cage's skin is as hard as titanium steel and his muscle and bone tissues are considerably denser than the tissues of an ordinary human, granting him much greater resistance to physical injury than an ordinary human. He can withstand conventional handgun fire at a range of 4 feet and cannot be cut by any blade forged of conventional material, although in the event of required surgery his skin can be lacerated by an overpowered medical laser. He can withstand up to one-ton impacts or blasts of 150 pounds of TNT without serious injury, and is highly resistant to extreme temperatures and electrical shocks. His current level of durability enables him to withstand gun fire at point-blank range, and can withstand being lit on fire without suffering any serious or permanent injuries. He has withstood impacts from superhumans a good deal stronger than him, destructive energy attacks including electricity, and falls from great heights such as ninety story high skyscrapers

Originally posted by golem370
people ... Spider-Man should be able to take a hit from Hulk.



Spider-Man is able to take a lot of hits that would actually be too much for him to handle if he tried to "tank" them. What he does instead, well-documented, is "roll" with the punches, i.e. adds momentum to his body in the direction of the blow he expects to receive, as opposed to against the force of the blow.

A good illustration might be a child on a playground with swings helping his or her friend get good height. The child usually cannot endure the actual impact that his friends bodyweight and momentum would otherwise create smacking full force against him as he just stood there or ran into the swing chin first, right ... ?



Etcetera.

But in a fight Hulk attacks should be fast enough to role with Spider-Man.

Originally posted by golem370
I see people like Captain America, Wolverine, and others dodge his attacks, is that because comic book writers think he is that slow or because they want to make it interesting?

A little bit of both.

But honestly even if speed was a complete non-factor, someone like Spider-Man or Captain America should have no business fighting someone like the Hulk. But it's comics and they have to make all the heroes look good, especially in their own books.

Originally posted by golem370
in a fight Hulk attacks should be fast enough to rol with Spider-Man.


Were Peter Parker (Octavius) ONLY a hero with fast reflexes, metahuman athleticism, and extensive fight experience, I might agree with you.

But you forget he has what is termed "spidersense" in addition to all that.

Spider-Man literally "knows" WHEN an opponent is about to throw a punch a second before the punch is actually thrown, giving him time to prepare that a man merely as fast as himself does NOT have.

Spider-Man can actually contend with people faster than himself because of this, easily to bullet-velocity levels to judge from his success against gunfire and the like.

Hulk is fast but also wide so his attack radius should be larger but that could work against him with someone as small as Parker. Hulk once used his breath to knock down a forest of tree now according to Marvel Directory it takes someone who lifts 15 tons to uproot a tree so Hulk breath knocking down a forest of trees should be many times that strong which he could use in combat.

Originally posted by golem370
Hulk once used his breath to knock down a forest of tree


You refer to the following, no doubt ...

Originally posted by golem370


according to Marvel Directory it takes someone who lifts 15 tons to uproot a tree so Hulk breath knocking down a forest of trees should be many times that strong which he could use in combat.



Fine.

The reality remains the same, though: Only the smallest fraction of a punch's force really "gets" to Spider-Man. Pete's been demonstrating the ability to roll with Hulk's punches from the day of their very first battle.

Note that the difference in strength during this time, the 1960s, was such that a clean Hulk punch was thought likely to kill Spider-Man, not merely render Pete unconscious.

I think you also fail to realize how fast Spider-Man himself is.

Examine this showing of Spider-Man written roughly 20 years ago.

After you do, tell me seriously why any reader of Spider-Man before this present age had good reason to think Hulk should ever beat him based on speed.

Hulk's running speed is fast. Same as his punches or kicks.

But the reason streets dodge him is because of there agility speed which the Hulk lacks any agility speed. Plus most Street level characters are A-list in martial art/incredible fighters.

Hulk's punches to them and because of the size of his muscles are always telegraphed a mile away to them.

And add to that they they are incredibly fast in there own right like Cap, Slade, Batgirl and Daredevil. Bullet time feats and moving so fast they are not even noticed by regular eyes of others or moving like a blur in there own rights. etc etc.

That pic blue ty

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You refer to the following, no doubt ... look how happy he is. What a magical moment

well, hulk's speed has been getting something of a push (a small one, but still a push....) here is a recent showing:

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if you take the gunslingers at their word that the bad guys were so quick as to be near invisible, that is a pretty amazing showing for hulk....

Originally posted by leonidas
if you take the gunslingers at their word that the bad guys were so quick as to be near invisible, that is a pretty amazing showing for hulk....

Not really. You missed a scan or two. When Hulk dropped in they stopped moving. Hulk was then allowed to attack them. Also they wasn't walking very fast as they didn't cover much ground in more than 10 seconds worth of talking. They were shooting fast and probably moving their hands/arms fast but they were walking at normal speeds.


But the reason why Hulk can run fast is because normal physical running has jumping in it.
As far as reactions, Hulk doesn't have quicker reactions than most top streetlevelers. Hulk can most likely punch faster though but his change of direction speed (agility speed) is probably not quite on par with street levelers. All in all he's about on par with a street by having faster running speeds and punching speeds but slowerl agility and slower reaction speeds.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Hulk's running speed is fast. Same as his punches or kicks.

But the reason streets dodge him is because of there agility speed which the Hulk lacks any agility speed. Plus most Street level characters are A-list in martial art/incredible fighters.

Hulk's punches to them and because of the size of his muscles are always telegraphed a mile away to them.

And add to that they they are incredibly fast in there own right like Cap, Slade, Batgirl and Daredevil. Bullet time feats and moving so fast they are not even noticed by regular eyes of others or moving like a blur in there own rights. etc etc. him jibbing them is more of a factor. wolverine has speed feats that can make a debate with spider-man arguable, but his durability is what lets the writers have hulk tap his jaw. wolverine even explains the feeling of getting basically a concentrated earthquake the size of a basketball slammed into your grill piece:



Daredevil isn't allowed to get hit with that, it's in the contract

Originally posted by leonidas
if you take the gunslingers at their word that the bad guys were so quick as to be near invisible, that is a pretty amazing showing for hulk....
Looking back at it, that is quite the showing.

It didn't register at first because I'm so not used to thinking Hulk as a speedster. Not saying he is, but to blitz a group of guys moving so fast they basically can't be seen is highly impressive. At least in regards to any of Hulk's past speed feats.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Looking back at it, that is quite the showing.

It didn't register at first because I'm so not used to thinking Hulk as a speedster. Not saying he is, but to blitz a group of guys moving so fast they basically can't be seen is highly impressive. At least in regards to any of Hulk's past speed feats.

i agree. the way he is swinging his arms to take them out looks almost spidey-esque.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Looking back at it, that is quite the showing.

It didn't register at first because I'm so not used to thinking Hulk as a speedster. Not saying he is, but to blitz a group of guys moving so fast they basically can't be seen is highly impressive. At least in regards to any of Hulk's past speed feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not really. You missed a scan or two. When Hulk dropped in they stopped moving. Hulk was then allowed to attack them. Also they wasn't walking very fast as they didn't cover much ground in more than 10 seconds worth of talking. They were shooting fast and probably moving their hands/arms fast but they were walking at normal speeds.


But the reason why Hulk can run fast is because normal physical running has jumping in it.
As far as reactions, Hulk doesn't have quicker reactions than most top streetlevelers. Hulk can most likely punch faster though but his change of direction speed (agility speed) is probably not quite on par with street levelers. All in all he's about on par with a street by having faster running speeds and punching speeds but slowerl agility and slower reaction speeds.