The Void vs Molecule Man: THE MEGA REMATCH!

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Lestov16
In this fight, Molecule Man isn't suffering the PIS insanity that caused him to lose the first time. With PIS/CIS off, who is more powerful?

Bloodlusted deathmatch in the Virgo Super-cluster
who takes this?

zopzop
Molecule Man with ease. You have to remember, as strange as it sounds, none of MM's showings from SWI and SWII have been retconned! So he has MULTIPLE multiversal level feats to his name. Then you have his TRANSmultiversal fight with the Beyonder in that Fantastic Four Annual.

Void is out of his league here.

Galan007
Sentry wins via skull-face-death-beemz. thumb up

LeonBuco666
Owen turns void into a cabbage.

carver9
Since I don't ignore on panel evidence, Sentry wins yet again since PIS wasn't invloved in the first fight.

Mr Master
Dark Reign Owen had several stipulations working against him:

1) Owen severely de-powered himself, cause he wasn't even a global power,
he was only able to control the molecules around him. (localized)

2) Owen was mentally unstable (depressed-insecure-delusional)

3) Owen subconsciously wanted to lose. (masochist-like)

Now,
take away those plot hinderances and Owen curbstomps Sentry/Void combined.

carver9
Where was it stated as him being depowered?

When did he try to use his powers outside of his area?

Tony Stark
Originally posted by carver9
Since I don't ignore on panel evidence, Sentry wins yet again since PIS wasn't invloved in the first fight.



yes

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
Where was it stated as him being depowered?

When did he try to use his powers outside of his area?
He wasn't in his right mind and Owen's mental state is the key to his powers.

Here he is before Secret Wars stomping Surfer/Thor/IM/Captain America. Notice how he atomized Mjolnir :
http://s10.postimg.org/gaq222y45/2584718_a215_weaponsdestroyed.jpg

Here are his multiversal feats during SWI and SWII, none of which are retconned!

a) recreates a GALAXY
http://s21.postimg.org/v039gzulv/Galaxy_Rebuild.jpg

b) repairs MULTIVERSAL level damage with one raised finger
http://s23.postimg.org/wsged3dzr/Repair2.jpg

c) harnesses all the free energy in the MULTIVERSE to reinforce a dome he created
http://s7.postimg.org/u8hu62lbb/Energycollect.jpg

d) "several billion dimension" slagging blast
http://s12.postimg.org/lhxyj7djd/Energy_Blast2.jpg

Post SW stuff :

His TRANSmultiversal fight with the Beyonder
http://s13.postimg.org/p6if55a43/Vs_Beyonder5.jpg http://s15.postimg.org/b0auhvmwn/Vs_Beyonder6.jpg

Anyone who thinks Sentry beats Owen when Owen is in his right mind is as crazy as Sentry is.

carver9
@Zop...

I never said Owen was weak, what I said was, "where was it stated that he was depowered".

Lol...I didn't see anything wrong with Owen mentality, if anything, he wasn't holding back since he blew Sentry guts inside out more than once.

Also, thanks for the scans but im trying to understand why you posted them. Owen isn't going to blow up a Universe in every showing that he is in, so posting his best is irrelevant. We know what he is capable of but we also know (by looking at the on panel stomping) that Sentry is so much more.

Galan007
Clearly the writer wasn't portraying Owen as a multiversal power(or anything remotely close to that level) during Dark Reign, given Owen's explicit comment that he could only manipulate the molecules in his general vicinity:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16554909/Untitled.jpg.html

...And since a specific depowering of Owen wasn't mentioned, I can only chalk-up said neutering solely to writer intent. Bendis obviously did not want a multiversal+-level being to partake in this event.

Zack Fair
Owen in 1 of the most onesided shitstomps in KMC history.Originally posted by carver9

Also, thanks for the scans but im trying to understand why you posted them. Owen isn't going to blow up a Universe in every showing that he is in, so posting his best is irrelevant. We know what he is capable of but we also know (by looking at the on panel stomping) that Sentry is so much more. http://airstre.am/dopamine72/Nicolas%20Cage%20Laugh.gif

LeonBuco666
C'mon carver, your basically saying void/sentry is a match for PR beyonder, which he isnt even close too, he couldnt even beat galactus, and owen Pre Retcon would of decimated galactus...that fight was PIS ridden, it says owen can only manip molecules in his general vicinity, when he has been shown consistently to be a multiversal threat, this time he could only in his area was once...PIS and a low showing for owen, he would atomize void/sentry from existence with a blink

carver9
Originally posted by Zack Fair
http://airstre.am/dopamine72/Nicolas%20Cage%20Laugh.gif

laughing out loud laughing out loud

carver9
Originally posted by Galan007
Clearly the writer wasn't portraying Owen as a multiversal power(or anything remotely close to that level) during Dark Reign, given Owen's explicit comment that he could only manipulate the molecules in his general vicinity:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16554909/Untitled.jpg.html

...And since a specific depowering of Owen wasn't mentioned, I can only chalk-up said neutering solely to writer intent. Bendis obviously did not want a multiversal+-level being to partake in this event.

Understandable... I was basically pointing out the fact that no one brought up Owen being weakened.

Mr Master
Originally posted by carver9

Where was it stated as him being depowered?
On Panel.
Originally posted by carver9

When did he try to use his powers outside of his area?
He couldn't. He was a local manipulator.

Mr Master
Originally posted by carver9

Understandable... I was basically pointing out the fact that no one
brought up Owen being weakened.
Owen de-powered himself before the Sentry encounter.

Yamcha
http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y508/YamchaKMC/image_zps6191d2d4.jpg

I loved that scene and it was awesome but c'mon this is spite. That showing was an awesome little piece of cake for us Sentry fans omnomnom so good, but....it's over...and I cower at the thought they ever make each other cross paths again and Owen is in his prime cause sweet Jesus we're talking a guy who butted heads with Beyonder and just screws with molecules...If I had it my way Sentry/Void would be a whoooooooole other tier of power (seriously, the dude would be reacting and beating someone through stars/planets/blackholes and across multiple galaxies in femtoseconds, no attoseconds all while tearing holes in the universe by just flexing the power of like 10 exploding suns, his full power would snuff out tens of trillions of galaxies and make the multiverse, no Omniverse shake, rip open and crumble..just for him to give birth basically to a new one without even realizing it as if nothing changed just for it all to crumble again after each blow he releases..so essentially remaking and tearing apart the Omniverse repeatedly in attoseconds from punches alone no expression.)...but I don't, and he's not...so while the showing was quite beautiful and glorious....it sadly doesn't mean much...

Owen in his prime is just...too much.

LeonBuco666
Originally posted by Yamcha
http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y508/YamchaKMC/image_zps6191d2d4.jpg

I loved that scene and it was awesome but c'mon this is spite. That showing was an awesome little piece of cake for us Sentry fans omnomnom so good, but....it's over...and I cower at the thought they ever make each other cross paths again and Owen is in his prime cause sweet Jesus we're talking a guy who butted heads with Beyonder and just screws with molecules...If I had it my way Sentry/Void would be a whoooooooole other tier of power (seriously, the dude would be reacting and beating someone through stars/planets/blackholes and across multiple galaxies in femtoseconds, no attoseconds all while tearing holes in the universe by just flexing the power of like 10 exploding suns, his full power would snuff out tens of trillions of galaxies and make the multiverse, no Omniverse shake, rip open and crumble..just for him to give birth basically to a new one without even realizing it as if nothing changed just for it all to crumble again after each blow he releases..so essentially remaking and tearing apart the Omniverse repeatedly in attoseconds from punches alone no expression.)...but I don't, and he's not...so while the showing was quite beautiful and glorious....it sadly doesn't mean much...

Owen in his prime is just...too much. Your mind and body orgasmed as you wrote that didnt it....laughing out loud

Yamcha
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Your mind and body orgasmed as you wrote that didnt it....laughing out loud Honestly I'm still recovering, it was mind blowing...

LeonBuco666
Originally posted by Yamcha
Honestly I'm still recovering, it was mind blowing... Damn, i bet it was like an out of body experience wasnt it? Can you even feel your legs yet.... roll eyes (sarcastic)

Yamcha
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Damn, i bet it was like an out of body experience wasnt it? Can you even feel your legs yet.... roll eyes (sarcastic) Nah but that's probably cause Tien's a douche.http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y508/YamchaKMC/image_zps5cfb8fda.jpg

LeonBuco666
laughing out loud

Golgo13
Molecule man.

quanchi112
Void wins.

ozz81
MM

Stoic
The same thing that happened the first time would have again. Bob would just come back, and hit Owen with the same attack that he was hit with. It's not in Bob's power set to mimic other characters powers, but when it come to total control over certain things like his being, good luck stopping him. The Sentry lives in several different time instances at once. Owen loses again imo. Owen simply did not seem capable of resisting the same force that he threw out. Could it be that he can't take what he himself can give?

Mr Master
Hey there friends ... ^^ I'm not sure it's that simple.

For instance:

So, ... on top of being mentally unstable!
(Owen created illusionary facsimiles of Beyonder, Mephisto & others,
so he could talk to himself since they were reflections of his sub-conscious)

... Owen also de-powered himself at the end of the Post-Beyonder fight:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16576320_Owen2.jpg

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... Which is probably why in the Sentry encounter he's limited to localized molecular control:

(Owen himself stated this)

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16555053_Owen_limited1.jpg


(Victoria Hand confirms this fact)

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16555054_Owen_limted2.jpg

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... so that ... on top of literally wanting to lose during the Sentry comedy ...

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16285428_Owen.jpg


Actually, I prefer to say,
Owen eased the win for Sentry, rather than outright handing it to him.
... meh, Sentry was obliterated on 3 separate occasions by Owen,
and at the end, Sentry even got a clean shot at Owen,
(same looking energy he used to defeat Owen)
and Owen immediately recovered/retaliated & exploded Sentry a Third time:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16287646_O1.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16287649_O2.jpg

Then, the same looking orange energy has a lasting affect 3 pages later. lol
It seems to me, sub-consciously Owen had enough, and it was time to go away,
and Sentry was the only one powerful enough he could count on for the job.

Imo.

RealityWarper
Sentry wins again.

Owen wasn't depowered.

He just choosed to use his powers inside his town.

That's easy to understand as it is repeated several times.

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Sentry wins again.

Owen wasn't depowered.

He just choosed to use his powers inside his town.

That's easy to understand as it is repeated several times.

Sure, Owen wasn't depowered...

As long as you ignore Mr Masters scan that indicated he was after his fight with Post Retcon Beyonder...

TheLordofMurder
Owen free from sabotaging himself annihilates Sentry...

Owen locates and crushes Sentry across every point along the time stream...

One_Angry_Scot
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Owen free from sabotaging himself annihilates Sentry...

Owen locates and crushes Sentry across every point along the time stream...

What about big Vlad Dracula?

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by zopzop
Molecule Man with ease. You have to remember, as strange as it sounds, none of MM's showings from SWI and SWII have been retconned! So he has MULTIPLE multiversal level feats to his name. Then you have his TRANSmultiversal fight with the Beyonder in that Fantastic Four Annual.

Void is out of his league here.

thumb up

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
What about big Vlad Dracula?

laughing out loud

Sadly, Dracula is slightly beneath these guys...

tkitna
Originally posted by Mr Master

Actually, I prefer to say,
Owen eased the win for Sentry, rather than outright handing it to him.
... meh, Sentry was obliterated on 3 separate occasions by Owen,
and at the end, Sentry even got a clean shot at Owen,
(same looking energy he used to defeat Owen)
and Owen immediately recovered/retaliated & exploded Sentry a Third time:


Then, the same looking orange energy has a lasting affect 3 pages later. lol
It seems to me, sub-consciously Owen had enough, and it was time to go away,
and Sentry was the only one powerful enough he could count on for the job.

Imo.

I'm not crazy enough to say Sentry has a chance against a top notch MM, but I do have to say that the Sentry was just learning this ability during the battle with Reese. When he finally got it, Reese kind of knew he was done. I don't believe Owen left on his own terms. He was afraid.

That's all, but I suppose its up for different interpretations.

Insane Titan
MM would destroy him

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Insane Titan
MM would destroy him

This is the most intelligent thing you've ever said...

wink

Insane Titan
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
This is the most intelligent thing you've ever said...

wink no that would be saying you should have been drowned at birth smile

TheLordofMurder
Originally posted by Insane Titan
no that would be saying you should have been drowned at birth smile

You cant drown that which is already dead...

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