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Buu-era Goten and Trunks(no fusion):
http://i.imgur.com/zCcTNFn.jpg

vs.

Final Form Frieza:
http://i.imgur.com/jqvqYvK.jpg


Round 1: Frieza is at 50% power and fights the kids individually.
Round 2: Frieza is at 100% power and fights the kids simultaneously.


Fight takes place on Namek. Who wins?

They both could beat Frieza at 100% individually

It's possible. After all, Goten surprised Gohan with his SSJ power, much like Trunks surprised Vegeta with his SSJ power... And as a team they surprised #18(as 'Mighty Mask') during the WMAT. Granted, Gohan, Vegeta and #18 could have simply been underestimating the kids because they are just that: kids. It's still impressive, though.

However, Battle of Gods(which is 100% canon) directly references Tarble(Vegeta's brother), who appeared in the 2008 movie special: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!, thereby solidifying the latter's canonicity. With that in mind, the kids appeared to be roughly equal to(maybe a little stronger than) Abo & Kado, who Tarble confirmed were each equal to Frieza-- and since Tarble would have only had knowledge of base form Frieza, this implies that base-level Goten/Trunks=~base form Frieza(PL=530,000.)

Just throwing that out there...

Originally posted by Galan007
However, Battle of Gods(which is 100% canon) directly references Tarble(Vegeta's brother), who appeared in the 2008 movie special: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!, thereby solidifying the latter's canonicity. With that in mind, the kids appeared to be roughly equal to(maybe a little stronger than) Abo & Kado, who Tarble confirmed were each equal to Frieza-- and since Tarble would have only had knowledge of base form Frieza, this implies that base-level Goten/Trunks=~base form Frieza(PL=530,000.)

Just throwing that out there...
http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y508/YamchaKMC/image_zps8d356699.jpg
This actually blew my mind lol, I totally forgot there was no way for Tarble knowing about more than first form Frieza, I always assumed he meant 100% xD. That makes a lot of sense tbh, woah..

Don't quote me because I'm not sure which one said it, but one of those that worked on DBZ said that power levels meant nothing -- it was a calculated number used by enemies to chart an opponents level of power, which usually turned out to be inaccurate. Aside from that, you only have to assume that Tarble was referring to the first form because while he should have no way of knowing about the final form, it could have just been a mistake in writing (since those are so unheard of!) I'm gonna go with the idea that Goten and Trunks are equal to Frieza, at least.

Here comes a question to help balance it out though. Are these Death Battle standards? Since Trunks and Goten are part of the Z Group they would have access to everyone's favorite beans which means they would keep getting stronger since of course -- they are saiyans.

They'd be kicking the crap out of Frieza while he's at 50%

They'd win after he goes all muscular 100% but not without some difficulty imo. They're powerful, but Frieza is vicious and wouldn't mess around as much after the embarrassment of being slapped around by saiyan children.

Either of them can stomp 100% Frieza alone, a casual ki blast from Trunks scared 18.

Originally posted by Galan007
However, Battle of Gods(which is 100% canon) directly references Tarble(Vegeta's brother), who appeared in the 2008 movie special: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!, thereby solidifying the latter's canonicity. With that in mind, the kids appeared to be roughly equal to(maybe a little stronger than) Abo & Kado, who Tarble confirmed were each equal to Frieza-- and since Tarble would have only had knowledge of base form Frieza, this implies that base-level Goten/Trunks=~base form Frieza(PL=530,000.)

Just throwing that out there...
Goku confirmed Tarble's statement and he only fought final form Frieza.

Originally posted by Nevan
Goku confirmed Tarble's statement and he only fought final form Frieza.

Originally posted by Yamcha
http://i1278.photobucket.com/albums/y508/YamchaKMC/image_zps8d356699.jpg
This actually blew my mind lol, I totally forgot there was no way for Tarble knowing about more than first form Frieza, I always assumed he meant 100% xD. That makes a lot of sense tbh, woah..

Your Yamcha reaction pics always crack me up.

Originally posted by Phoenix3068
Don't quote me because I'm not sure which one said it, but one of those that worked on DBZ said that power levels meant nothing -- it was a calculated number used by enemies to chart an opponents level of power, which usually turned out to be inaccurate. Aside from that, you only have to assume that Tarble was referring to the first form because while he should have no way of knowing about the final form, it could have just been a mistake in writing (since those are so unheard of!) I'm gonna go with the idea that Goten and Trunks are equal to Frieza, at least.

Here comes a question to help balance it out though. Are these Death Battle standards? Since Trunks and Goten are part of the Z Group they would have access to everyone's favorite beans which means they would keep getting stronger since of course -- they are saiyans. After the Frieza saga it was stated(by Akira, iirc) that power levels could no longer be officially listed, because the noteworthy Z fighters(and villains) had grown too powerful to be quantified numerically-- I mean, in all likelihood they would have been dealing with PLs well into the billions post-Frieza saga... Although I still think they could have thrown fans a bone and still given some official PLs, but that's neither here nor there.

Anyway, Tarble stated that Abo&Kado were on par with Frieza-- and we know Tarble could have only been referencing base form Frieza when he made that statement, because he never saw any of Frieza's higher transformations, ever(not even Vegeta had until they fought on Namek.) Thus, we do know a few things...

*We know that Abo&Kado each had PLs around 530,000.

*We know Final Form Frieza's PL at 50% was 60,000,000, and 120,000,000 at 100%.

*We know transforming into a SSJ increases a Saiyan's base PL by 50x.


What we don't have is an exact figure for are the PLs of base Goten and Trunks. They were initially around Abo&Kado's level, but started gaining the clear upper hand after learning to sense ki.

ie. base-level Goten/Trunks each had a PL > 530,000-- we just don't know exactly how much greater.

Originally posted by Nevan
Goku confirmed Tarble's statement and he only fought final form Frieza. http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16583393_1.jpg
http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16583394_2.jpg
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Goku only states that Frieza "wasn't much of a foe, in hindsight" -- which is an ambiguous statement, at best.

After all, Goku may not have fought Frieza directly before he transformed into his final form, but he was still able to sense base-level Frieza's PL soon after arriving on Namek:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16583415/5.gif.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16583460/6.gif.html
There are other examples of Goku sensing Frieza's power before he transformed into his final form, but I shouldn't have to post them.

Suffice to say, Goku's statement that Frieza wasn't much of a foe doesn't really "confirm" anything at all in regard to which level Tarble was referencing with his assessment. Like I said, Tarble would have only known how strong Frieza's base level was-- and as the above scans prove: so did Goku.

If this was my made up version of Frieza he'd have some chance...Dr.Gero's modified Frieza

Using movie logic when should be avoided whenever possible. Since none of these combatants are from any movie then that statement is irrelevant.

Kids win regardless.

Sorry, but Battle of Gods is as canon as the manga, and it solidified the canonicity of YSGAHFR by directly mentioning Tarble-- which is the only reason I brought up events from that film to begin with.

Canon is canon.

Okay then if we're going to use movie logic Goku states Freeza > base Saiyans but that's always ignored.

What movie was that stated in? I only ask because the only movies that are canon are BoG, and YSGAHFR.

Originally posted by Galan007
What movie was that stated in? I only ask because the only movies that are canon are BoG, and YSGAHFR.

BoG

Who is right? I wanna know!


Because, by the end of Z, it seems base level goku is far stronger than a regular SSJ.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Who is right? I wanna know!


Because, by the end of Z, it seems base level goku is far stronger than a regular SSJ.

Well he's not! So... uh.... shut up!

In Battle of the Gods Goku supposedly does say that Frieza is stronger than any base Saiyan. Tho i haven't seen it yet so who knows

Originally posted by juggerman
BoG Interesting. I hadn't heard that.

All I'd heard is that Bills comments to Whis that it shouldn't be possible for a Saiyan to beat Frieza, but that's it...

Originally posted by Galan007
Interesting. I hadn't heard that.

All I'd heard is that Bills comments to Whis that it shouldn't be possible for a Saiyan to beat Frieza, but that's it...

I've heard it a few times but have no way of seeing for myself yet