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This isn't hard people. Gorr killed EVERY God he came across throughout the universe. This included entire pantheons (which would have their own Skyfathers).

Atum couldn't even handle Thor, Gorr went up against three of them.

Originally posted by zopzop
This isn't hard people. Gorr killed EVERY God he came across throughout the universe. This included entire pantheons (which would have their own Skyfathers).

Atum couldn't even handle Thor, Gorr went up against three of them.

I thought Atum was pretty uber. Was he taken out by Thor in direct combat?

Originally posted by Golgo13
I thought Atum was pretty uber. Was he taken out by Thor in direct combat?
He tried to eat Thor but Thor smashed his teeth and got out. He couldn't handle the Skrull Goddess and overloaded.

Gorr beat every divinity he came across. Gorr's record > Atum's.

Originally posted by zopzop
He tried to eat Thor but Thor smashed his teeth and got out. He couldn't handle the Skrull Goddess and overloaded.

Gorr beat every divinity he came across. Gorr's record > Atum's.

So, too much hype for Atum?

Originally posted by Golgo13
So, too much hype for Atum?
Not really. It's just zopzop being zopzop.

How about just Gorr without his sword?

Zop hates any character who has lesser feats in "modern" times.

Gorr

Classic Atum was a beast lol @zopzop low balling

Originally posted by zopzop
This isn't hard people. Gorr killed EVERY God he came across throughout the universe. This included entire pantheons (which would have their own Skyfathers).

Atum couldn't even handle Thor, Gorr went up against three of them. Originally posted by old zopzop
Atum committed genocide against the entire race of Elder Gods. He offed Hell Lords like they were flies (and technically the were in their own realms and at the height of their power, since they merged all their various realms into one). He had Odin in a panic (so much so that he had to summon the Council Elite and discuss how to deal with Demogorge). He destroyed several Sun and Thunder Gods without even breaking a sweat.

Originally posted by ODG

Yeah and what happened now?

Atum couldn't even handle ONE Thor and got overloaded and killed by the Queen of the Skrull Gods.

Gorr's God Genocide was universal in scope and he only lost because of plot.

No...he lost because Thor absorbed the bomb. It's called a feat.

Not sure why you're all up on Gorr now though since you think of him as a shitty character from a shitty arc iirc.

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah and what happened now?

Atum couldn't even handle ONE Thor and got overloaded and killed by the Queen of the Skrull Gods.

Gorr's God Genocide was universal in scope and he only lost because of plot. Originally posted by old zopzop
At Atum's best, he's destroyed six Hell Lords in their own realm without even breaking a sweat. He's destroyed the Sun and Thunder Gods that went against him. He had Odin so much in a panic that he had to contact the other members of the Council Of God heads to plan what to do against Atum. Atum also wiped out all the Elder Gods (with the exception of Set, Chthon, Gaea, and Oshtur. Gaea was spared because she didn't become a demon, Oshtur was off world at the time, Set and Chthon fled into other dimensions).

Atum wins.

lol

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah and what happened now?

Atum couldn't even handle ONE Thor and got overloaded and killed by the Queen of the Skrull Gods.

Gorr's God Genocide was universal in scope and he only lost because of plot. Your old post was two years ago...

Originally posted by Damborgson
No...he lost because Thor absorbed the bomb. It's called a feat.
Because another Thor, King Thor (?) was distracting him. Atum couldn't handle ONE Thor.


Gorr is still a sh|tty unoriginal character in a sh|tty arc, but you can't deny what he did. Just like Chaos King, sure he's a crap character but what he did on panel speaks for itself.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Your old post was two years ago...
Yeah and? Marvel doesn't think highly of Atum anymore. Apparently that humiliation during Sacred Invasion wasn't a one time thing since Thor made a fool of him recently.

Gorr only lost because of plot. He beat any and every God he came across throughout the universe. He even defeated the "God of Gods" and could have killed him right there and then but he pulled the usual crap villains pull by leaving their foes alive to witness their plans or whatever.

Originally posted by zopzop

Because another Thor, King Thor (?) was distracting him. Atum couldn't handle ONE Thor.


Gorr is still a sh|tty unoriginal character in a sh|tty arc, but you can't deny what he did. Just like Chaos King, sure he's a crap character but what he did on panel speaks for itself.


Yeah and? Marvel doesn't think highly of Atum anymore. Apparently that humiliation during Sacred Invasion wasn't a one time thing since Thor made a fool of him recently.

Gorr's only lost because of plot. He beat any and every God he came across throughout the universe. He even defeated the "God of Gods" and could have killed him right there and then but he pulled the usual crap villains pull by leaving their foes alive to witness their plans or whatever. Fraction had Atum as like an Eternity like being in that arc...

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Fraction had Atum as like an Eternity like being in that arc...
.....that couldn't handle a dead Thor who later went on to smash his teeth and make a fool of him.

Originally posted by zopzop

Because another Thor, King Thor (?) was distracting him. Atum couldn't handle ONE Thor.


Gorr is still a sh|tty unoriginal character in a sh|tty arc, but you can't deny what he did. Just like Chaos King, sure he's a crap character but what he did on panel speaks for itself.



A dying King Thor was holding Gorr. If anything, the shock kept him in place.

Neither could Galactus at one point. That doesn't hurt the character.

Unoriginal in what aspect? That he's a god killer? That's like damning capes because they've done before. Disliking a character is fine, that's opinion, but bashing one for no reason, is just that. Just like disliking an arc is opinion, but attributing negatives that aren't there, is also just that.

He wasn't even fighting... anything.

But whenever you're ready to talk about it, I'll be there

Although funny how Thor is the low feat considering Thor absorbed the entire God Bomb

Originally posted by zopzop
.....that couldn't handle a dead Thor who later went on to smash his teeth and make a fool of him. Originally posted by old zopzop
You mean to tell me Thor was more powerful than those Gods Atum devoured (which included Hell Lords like Mephisto)? Of course not. It's not about power. It's just Thor's tenacity.

Originally posted by Damborgson
A dying King Thor was holding Gorr. If anything, the shock kept him in place.
Yeah and? The writer made it clear that Thor (any version?) was the greatest of all the Gods in the universe. Period.

Gorr pushed THREE Thors sh|t in and had them unconscious and at his mercy. Fight over. Gorr lost because of plot and you know it.


Thor's showings against Galactus had context. Thor's faced him when he was hungry/starving or distracted by another powerful being (Odin).


He IS unoriginal (see Desak, Demogorge, etc...).

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He wasn't even fighting... anything.

But whenever you're ready to talk about it, I'll be there

Although funny how Thor is the low feat considering Thor absorbed the entire God Bomb
The Thor "feat" isn't the point. Gorr already BEAT them. Three of them and had them at his mercy but didn't kill them off right there and then. Gorr lost to plot.

Originally posted by ODG

According to Aaron, Thor is the Greatest of the Gods. So yeah.

Originally posted by zopzop

Yeah and? The writer made it clear that Thor (any version?) was the greatest of all the Gods in the universe. Period.

Gorr pushed THREE Thors sh|t in and had them unconscious and at his mercy. Fight over. Gorr lost because of plot and you know it.


Thor's showings against Galactus had context. Thor's faced him when he was hungry/starving or distracted by another powerful being (Odin).


He IS unoriginal (see Desak, Demogorge, etc...).



He is the greatest of the gods, agreed.

Gorr lost because Thor was more worthy of his power than he was. He got stripped from it, it happens.

No, Gorr lost due to ego. He could've killed them, but then again he could have also killed Thor when both fought before he went into the future. It's all part of the story. Just like Thor could've killed Gorr when he caught him unawares, yet decided to hit him with lightning instead of a godblast. Overlooking the events like you're doing will always produces results like "plot based victories" when they're really not.

When he killed Demogorge, the fight also had context. He stuck him repeatedly in the heart.

Completely different outlooks, origins, powersets, looks, but they all kill gods so they must be unoriginal. Concession accepted

Originally posted by Damborgson
He is the greatest of the gods, agreed.

Gorr lost because Thor was more worthy of his power than he was. He got stripped from it, it happens.

No, Gorr lost due to ego. He could've killed them, but then again he could have also killed Thor when both fought before he went into the future. It's all part of the story. Just like Thor could've killed Gorr when he caught him unawares, yet decided to hit him with lightning instead of a godblast. Overlooking the events like you're doing will always produces results like "plot based victories" when they're really not.

When he killed Demogorge, the fight also had context. He stuck him repeatedly in the heart.

Completely different outlooks, origins, powersets, looks, but they all kill gods so they must be unoriginal. Concession accepted
Gorr lost because of PLOT. The time Thor could have killed Gorr was when he caught Gorr unawares. Gorr had Thor dead to rights multiple times.

Regarding Demogorge, Demogorge was humiliated by a single Thor crushing his heart. How does this make what Thor did to Demogorge LESS humiliating?!

Originally posted by zopzop
Gorr lost because of PLOT. The time Thor could have killed Gorr was when he caught Gorr unawares. Gorr had Thor dead to rights multiple times.

Regarding Demogorge, Demogorge was humiliated by a single Thor crushing his heart. How does this make what Thor did to Demogorge LESS humiliating?!

He lost because of THOR and his ego. So did Thor. He could've taken his head off during their first encounter. Instead he took his arm.

It's humiliating to get hurt by Thor now? What high end being has Thor failed to damage? One of his only failures came at the hands of Bendis against CC Thanos.

Originally posted by zopzop
According to Aaron, Thor is the Greatest of the Gods. So yeah. Originally posted by old zopzop
IMHO, Atum was God Kryptonite. Once he showed up, if you were a "God", the fight was guaranteed to end with you losing.

Pre-crisis zop was so much better.

Originally posted by Damborgson
He lost because of THOR and his ego. So did Thor. He could've taken his head off during their first encounter. Instead he took his arm.

Gorr lost to P L O T. We already seen THREE THORS at his feet and unconscious and that wasn't the first time he beat a Thor.




Sounds like he did more than "hurt" him.
Originally posted by ODG

Again stalker, what happened later? Atum had his heart crushed by Thor. NuDemogorge is a joke.

Originally posted by zopzop


Gorr lost to P L O T. We already seen THREE THORS at his feet and unconscious and that wasn't the first time he beat a Thor.




Sounds like he did more than "hurt" him.



Nuh-uh. Wow that was easier.

What Zops. Continue Zopping.

Originally posted by zopzop
Again stalker, what happened later? Atum had his heart crushed by Thor. NuDemogorge is a joke. Which never would have happened if he wasn't inside Demo.

It's the same theory as Ego. People are literal fleas to him until they go to his brain.

It'd be like a midget being inside you and punching your heart. The midget couldn't have killed you if he were outside your body... I hope, but he sure as shit can if he's just punching and headbutting your heart directly.

Originally posted by Mindset
Pre-crisis zop was so much better. http://www.reactiongifs.com/lol/W7Tcv.gif

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Which never would have happened if he wasn't inside Demo.

It's the same theory as Ego. People are literal fleas to him until they go to his brain.

It'd be like a midget being inside you and punching your heart. The midget couldn't have killed you if he were outside your body... I hope, but he sure as shit can if he's just punching and headbutting your heart directly.
There's just one little problem with your midget example my friend. Thor was dead and on his way into Demogorge's maw, which is where all dead Gods do. So it's no like it was some grand strategy on Thor's part to get inside Demogorge and cause havoc. Also keep in mind this has happened before to Classic Demogorge (attacked from the inside) but instead of the humiliation that NuDemogorge suffered, Classic Demogorge just came to realize that it wasn't time for the current crop of Gods to die and he let them all go.

Quick question Branlor, when Thor was crushing NuDemogorge's heart, did he have Mjolnir?

Originally posted by zopzop
There's just one little problem with your midget example my friend. Thor was dead and on his way into Demogorge's maw, which is where all dead Gods do. So it's no like it was some grand strategy on Thor's part to get inside Demogorge and cause havoc. Also keep in mind this has happened before to Classic Demogorge (attacked from the inside) but instead of the humiliation that NuDemogorge suffered, Classic Demogorge just came to realize that it wasn't time for the current crop of Gods to die and he let them all go.

Quick question Branlor, when Thor was crushing NuDemogorge's heart, did he have Mjolnir? But Thor wasn't 'gone' yet. But he would have been if Mjolnir didn't go back to him and let him remember who he was. At that point he was just Thor who Mjolnir punched Demo in the heart.

Classic Demo wasn't midget punched in the heart though.

Yes.

Do you think Thor would have killed Demo if he was on the outside of him?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But Thor wasn't 'gone' yet. But he would have been if Mjolnir didn't go back to him and let him remember who he was. At that point he was just Thor who Mjolnir punched Demo in the heart.

Classic Demo wasn't midget punched in the heart though.

Yes.

Do you think Thor would have killed Demo if he was on the outside of him?
In the past, no. The way Marvel is going now.......Yes.

Originally posted by zopzop
In the past, no. The way Marvel is going now.......Yes. And you base this on Thor hitting him in a rather delicate spot... and by delicate I mean his ****ing heart over and over?

So, you think that destroying a heart = the ability to kill that being in a natural setting?

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
And you base this on Thor hitting him in a rather delicate spot... and by delicate I mean his ****ing heart over and over?

So, you think that destroying a heart = the ability to kill that being in a natural setting?
Like I said, the way Marvel is going now? Yes. Common sense and the current crop of Marvel writers are strangers to each other.

Originally posted by zopzop
Common sense It surprises me you even have the ability to type that phrase without spontaneously combusting.

Originally posted by zopzop
Like I said, the way Marvel is going now? Yes. Common sense and the current crop of Marvel writers are strangers to each other. That doesn't make sense, but I don't respect your ability to say it either.

Sometimes I feel like you're the balloons in a tank human balloon sandwich. Just a couple tread turns from popping.

zop, you're a raving lunatic.

This entire thread has been great.

Originally posted by zopzop
Like I said, the way Marvel is going now? Yes. Common sense and the current crop of Marvel writers are strangers to each other.

In the last story Atum appeared in, Fraction deliberate ignored past weaker portrayals such as Sacred Invasion and he was the end for every God in creation, like their personal Oblivion.

But he's weak because Thor killed him by beating up on his heart?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


This entire thread has been great.



In the last story Atum appeared in, Fraction deliberate ignored past weaker portrayals such as Sacred Invasion and he was the end for every God in creation, like their personal Oblivion.

But he's weak because Thor killed him by beating up on his heart?
Yes. It's not like Atum wasn't attacked from inside before. In fact, he's also absorbed Mjolnir itself on at least two occasions : once when he ate Thor in Thor Annual 10 and later during Thor's Atlantis Attacks Annual. Contrast this to his recent showing where Mjolnir just shot through him and right to Thor.

The only reason Thor survived either encounter was because during the first time, it wasn't the current crop of Gods time to die, the second time he let Thor go voluntarily because he respected Thor's sacrifice on behalf of his friends. Contrast this to how he got utterly humiliated by Thor recently.

Gorr was clearly outclassed by Old King Thor and forceed to amp, Which then he became pretty uber, however in a forum fight i don't he would amp to those levels.

Atum only lost because thor beat him from the inside, something the thousands(or however many you could sort of see) inside Atum couldnt seem to do, Including new gods, old gods, elder gods/demons hell lords, many of which were probably more powerful than thor, for the sake of plot, Thor was bound to win that fight from the get go? Its pretty damn obvious.