Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, that's fair. Assuming that is Prime Trapper, you still have to prove that all the history applies to this version. Normally I wouldn't be so critical of a character's background, but Brainiac very specifically told us that his history is in constant flux.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16631915/11.jpg.html
"And removing a slice of the cosmos, a fraction of time so small it could not be measured...yet contained within it all the Star's and planets of a whole Universe."
Time Trapper stole a piece of time/space from the past that would contain everything. And then he pruned the unwanted from that section. What don't you understand? Well, whatever agree to disagree as Odin's feat is still significantly better.
What are you talking about? The fire was Universal at least and using Otherworld as a conduit to amplify/channel the energies, would burn the Multiverse. This was explicitly pointed out:
Odin shunted the energies into Asgard-Space where they would burn harmlessly. How does this change anything? I thought I made it very clear to you already that under Fraction, each of the Nine worlds are infinite Universes onto themselves. Asgard Space isn't the same Asgard that's on Earth.
Haha, what? It directly states "to be continued in legion of three worlds" and you still want me to prove that it was prime trapper?
Yes, he sliced the time but he destroyed everything else after doing that. I'm not sure why are you continuing this BS when just the next panel states he destroyed everything untill only two planets remained.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16631917/12.jpg.html
I will let Mr. Master speak for myself.
Originally posted by Mr Master
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I decided to research the recent Surtur/Odin event more closely since I was
debating off the scans posted in this thread without having read the arc.
I used judgement based on my own knowledge concerning Marvel Cosmography
and what made sense with said scans posted.
I came to the conclusion that the power Surtur amassed was Not "universal"
but rather 'pocket-universal' .. I called it a "mini-cosmos" ...
(which is the Pocket-universe containing Asgard as one of the Nine Realms)
It's actually called the "Sea of Space" ... sometimes referred to as "Asgard-Space"
Well,
since it was suggested I had evil plans due to my opinionated conclusion,
I got my hands on the entire arc and read it fully
and not surprisingly I found out I was right all along.
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Anyway ... from the get we know only the "Nine Realms" are in danger here:
(excerpt from the inside cover writer's prologue)
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"Surtur, his city will destroy the Nine Realms of Yggdrasil"
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"Manchester Gods are Surtur's conduit ... which threatens the Nine Realms"
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When Surtur's "conduit" is destroyed, All the power he's collected is again,
a threat to the Nine Realms ... in fact, that's the Only thing that was gonna burn here:
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This really isn't shocking, I mean all this power Surtur gathered,
was from the Nine Worlds anyway:
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All they need is a "Conduit" to get rid of this problem.
Thor doesn't have the power to get this done. Welcome Odin.
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16033018_Sur13.jpg
Odin was in the Pocket-Reality that housed Asgard,
known as the Sea of Space or Asgard Space:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16033019_Sur14.jpg
*** Continues below **** Originally posted by Mr Master
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The Odin scenario:
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So, Odin is in the Sea of Space, Davis chose the other term used, "Asgard-Space,"
which is the same Pocket-universe.
Odin is tricked by Loki & Leah to help Thor.
Odin opens a dimensional-portal and they appear on the battlefield with Surtur:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16033020_Sur15.jpg
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Surtur explodes, the fire-power is released.
Odin does not block, absorb or withstand the flames,
instead he shunts the flames through the portal he came from:
It does seem Odin is directing the flames through the portal:
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Cool.
So, what happened to the "all-consuming" Flame-Power Surtur had collected?
Where did Odin guide these energies to?
Did they burn away an entire Universe where they landed?
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Odin is pissed not only cause he was tricked into helping Thor,
but also cause the place where he guided Surtur's burning-power through the portal
was "Asgard-Space" (as I suspected before reading this story myself)
Here's Odin, peering into a ball witnessing Asgard-Space burning:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16032764_Sur12.jpg
Surutr's power being released into "Asgard-Space"
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16032762_Sur10.jpg
Odin opens another portal to "Asgard-Space" (we see Fire withIN the portal)
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16032763_Sur11.jpg
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So, what are we left with?
1) All the power Surtur collected was enough to burn the Pocket-Dimension containing Asgard,
known as the "Sea of Space" or "Asgard-Space."
2) Surtur nor Odin ever acted on an actual "Universal" scale in this arc.
3) Odin never affected any Eternity and/or any Universe's Space-Time.
4) Odin was able to open a Conduit and shunt Surtur's power
into the Pocket-Dimension containing Asgard.
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IMO! based on what I read/saw.
Surtur was threatening nine realms by the power he had collected from the nine realms. It wasn't universal in any sense of the world. Also shunting something through a portal isn't something power related. I can find herald level beings shunting that level of power. Where did you prove anything about asgard being infinite when its just a pocket dimension?