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Don't hate me for this now, but I say that Void solos :-/
(I think that Odinforce Thor would solo it as well, but I'm not going to make arguments for Thor)

Regarding Void:

War Hulk gained a nice power up, but at the same time we could see him being affected by something on an emotional level, which helped him to break free from Apocalypses mind-control.
His armor was durable, but so is Captain America's vibranium shield and Void's intangible tentacles went without any problems through it. They went through Iron Man's armor, they went through Vision, they went through Thor's body and they went through Hulk's body. They totally ignore any kind of durability and judging by him attacking Vision they even ignore phasing (but maybe Void was simply too fast for Vision).

When Void's tentacles touch you, you're ****ed, especially if you're "vulnerable" on an emotional base and we saw the tentacles being very effective on the Hulk, mind-raping him in a matter of moments:

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Hulk is a troubled soul :-7 I can see Void's tentacles simply going through Hulk, mind-raping him badly.

The same applies for Superman.
I'm one of the people, who will argue that Thor has far better feats than Superman and judging by that that he is the overall more powerful being - but look what Void did to him:

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I simply don't think that Superman has what it takes to beat the Void, even when he is amped up.
What defeated the Void were the affects of the Norn stones. Loki used the Norn stones to give the heroes new powers (just like the Hood gained reality warping powers before them) and then the Avengers were able to take the Void down.
Unless Superman develops reality warping, I don't see him beating the Void, no matter how much additional solar radiation he absorbed prior to the fight.

DC characters tend to call Superman godlike, but damn :-7 Compared to the power of some Marvel heroes Superman doesn't really look good. Of course he has amazing feats, but he is a brawler and I am talking about some ridiculous levels of molecule manipulation like the Sentry has it or Thor's plot device Mjolnir and with the Odin Force on top of that? AY!

Geuss you never read OWAW then with the Suoerman comment

Somewhere, Abhi's super hearing is picking up the ring of a signal watch.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Loki used the Norn stones to give the heroes new powers (just like the Hood gained reality warping powers before them) and then the Avengers were able to take the Void down.
Unless Superman develops reality warping, I don't see him beating the Void, no matter how much additional solar radiation he absorbed prior to the fight.

Do you think all the Avengers became reality warpers when they got the Norn stones, then?

The heroes got rivived by the norm stones that's it

Originally posted by Insane Titan
The heroes got rivived by the norm stones that's it

No, that's not it and you should really pay attention, when you read comic books and not go with what you want to believe.

I'll answer DarkSaint85 now in full detail and I'm giving you the advice to read all of that carefully.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Do you think all the Avengers became reality warpers when they got the Norn stones, then?

Who knows exactly. Brian Michael Bendis doesn't liketo explain his stuff in comics properly and to figure out what he had in mind you really have to dig deep :-7 Take a good look at this:

At first you have to realize that the Hood had the Norn stones for a while and they gave him the power to warp the reality. He had some other equipment, which granted him other abilities, but the Norn stones were capable of fulfilling wishes = warping the reality.

The Void was STOMPING the Avengers and everyone else on the battlefield:
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Loki realized how powerful the opponent was and took the Norn stones back to give it to the heroes and empower them:
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Do you see the glowing aura around the heroes after the gained the power upgrade? They're shining in colors of the rainbow and saying interesting stuff like:

"Yo Daisy, do we get to keep these new powers, when we're done?"
"I can't believe Loki did this. He took our power and gave it to them!"

On the third scan you even see Captain America cutting through Void like through butter by a simple shield toss and the shield is boosted as well, since the aura is around it as well.

CAPTAIN AMERICA HARMING THE VOID! IMAGINE THAT! Here is Captain America without a power upgrade, when it came to fights against the Void:
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He is spending high quality time under Void's foot!

It continues and the Void confirms that the Avengers have new powers. He realizes that Loki is doing it and attacks Loki:
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"Your new powers..."
"So much for the power upgrade."

And with Loki and the Norn stones dead and gone they all lose their power upgrades. What saved them at that point was that the Void was already badly hurt and regenerating slowly. Thor continued to attack him and the big ass explosion from the Helicarrier weakened Void enough so that Robert could regain control and make an important decision.

Now you tell me ...
Did the Marvel heroes gained new powers, which gave them the ability to overcome the Void? Void was only beaten once in a real battle and that was against the Sentry himself, who overall has better feats than the Void. I'm talking about moon and planet busting - about molecule manipulation powerful enough to take out the Molecule Man, the stalemating of uber-powerful opponents, while being in a weakened state and other feats where Thor needed the Odinforce to pull them off as well.

Void-Sentry > Superman, no matter how much sundip he has IMO.

No you need to read the comic without fanboy glasses on, Spider-mans own word explain everything, all they did was pound on Void no warping accrued

^ Quick, somebody tell me... is this guy for real?

Originally posted by Enzeru
^ Quick, somebody tell me... is this guy for real?

Holy irony overload Batman!!!!!11

Originally posted by Enzeru


Void-Sentry > Superman, no matter how much sundip he has IMO. With less than one minute sundip superman was going to destroy Worloggog Vera Black and she hastily rewrote the whole reality to avoid it. With a proper sundip he overpowered Imperiex prime's energies which created a new big bang. You don't know what you're talking about.

Team one

Team 2 because of versatility

@Enzeru
Hood was powered up by Dormammu, the Norn stones had nothing to do with it...

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Team 2 because of versatility

@Enzeru
Hood was powered up by Dormammu, the Norn stones had nothing to do with it... at least some one else read the comic too

Originally posted by Insane Titan
at least some one else read the comic too

IIRC, he wasn't 'just' powered up by Dormammu, but was actually getting more and more possessed by him.

In any case, by the end of the story arc, a lot of his power would have come from dormy.

He was being manipulated, by idk if he was possessed by Dormammu or just a minions demon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
With less than one minute sundip superman was going to destroy Worloggog Vera Black and she hastily rewrote the whole reality to avoid it. With a proper sundip he overpowered Imperiex prime's energies which created a new big bang. You don't know what you're talking about.

Ah I see, leaving out context on purpose (lying big time) to make your boy Superman look better, aight?

Brainiac was handeling Imperiex-Prime's energies just fine. Btw, Imperiex-Prime, one of the most featless badguys in comic book history.
On top of that cracking the armor of a villain seems to be a common way to do something in comics. Does anyone remember Anti-Monitor's armor crack and how it didn't do anything in the end? Or how cracking Galactus' armor happened few times as well, but in the end of the day it still doesn't mean anything?

Or how about Superman once again having help from others and failing to pull off certain feats like he always does, but Superman fans always tend to leave out scans, or take things totally out of context.

Way to go, man, way too go.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Hood was powered up by Dormammu, the Norn stones had nothing to do with it...

That's not the case.

In "New Avengers #51" the Hood loses his powers, because of a exorcism. In "New Avengers #54" makes a deal with Hood and offers him his powers back. In "New Avengers #57" the Hood gets the Norn stones and gets his powers back, but for that he has to help Osborn taking down Asgard.
In "Siege #4" Loki takes the Norn stones back and Hood loses his powers again.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
at least some one else read the comic too

*slap*

I'm waiting for a day for you to come up with a good post with any truth and value in it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
IIRC, he wasn't 'just' powered up by Dormammu, but was actually getting more and more possessed by him.

In any case, by the end of the story arc, a lot of his power would have come from dormy.

As I said it, the Hood didn't have anything to do with Dormammu by the end of Siege. The Norn stones restored his powers, because that's what his wish was and he lost them again, when Loki stripped the Norn stones away.

Funny how the sentry fanboy is calling everyone but it's his post that are being exposed as pure fanboy bullshit

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Funny how the sentry fanboy is calling everyone but it's his post that are being exposed as pure fanboy bullshit

Hahahahahaha.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Ah I see, leaving out context on purpose (lying big time) to make your boy Superman look better, aight? Hahaha. You are one to talk.

Nobody is talking about Brainiac 13. facepalm

You don't even know what you're talking about.

Imperiex prime actually created a second big bang when sundipped superman overpowered his energies and threw warworld to dawn of time.

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In another instance he would've destroyed a universal reality warper by a sundip of less than a minute. He beat Dominus who was multiversal reality warper by reversing his own reality warping on him.
Post all the stuff "mr. glowing aura means reality warping". Hey, superman is glowing too!! He punches Sentry's face in!

Lulz..

Originally posted by abhilegend
Imperiex prime actually created a second big bang when sundipped superman overpowered his energies and threw warworld to dawn of time.

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Now in all seriousness...

Question 1) What are you trying to prove with the Imperiex-Prime instance?

Nothing during that encounter stands out for Superman. He had help, but he actually didn't even need that help, since he didn't do anything significant.
Should I now be impressed with him breaking Imperiex-Prime's armor? That armor has basically no durability feats what so ever.

Let me give you few examples of durability feats... Sentry busted Doctor Doom's force fields and his armor multiple times, which protected Doctor Doom from:

- an amped up Captain Britain and being punched across the limbo,
- deflected Mjolnir,
- protected Doom from Silver Surfer's attacks,
- Mephistos attacks,
- Uatu, the Watcher's attacks,
- Galactus' attacks,
- Infinity Gauntlet Thanos' attack ...

Sorry, but I don't give a damn about Superman busting Imperiex-Prime's armor. Like at all.

Question 2: Or should I be impressed with Superman flying into Imperiex' energy, which was building up and it was never mentioned at what level that energy was?

Once again, I simply don't give a damn.
Molecule Man was fighting the Beyonder and they were both affecting multiple galaxies and even timelines with their power output, yet the Sentry stood up against that guy and straight up overpowered him.
Even the Cosmic Cube instance is worth being mentioned, since there we can somewhat grasp what kind of a feat it is to stabilize the Cosmic Cube for a while, while I can't say the same for Superman's encounter with a random ass explosion, which went later on off and killed Imperiex-Prime. Killed by his own power ... what a way to go.

Question 3: Or do you have Superman's feat in mind, where he "ends the fight" by pushing the opponent through a Boom Tube?

-__________-

But then again, hey ...
I think there is a thread here on the Killermovies-Versus-forums where people seriously gave Imperiex-Prime the win over the Chaos King himself... That's as insane as it gets.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In another instance he would've destroyed a universal reality warper by a sundip of less than a minute. He beat Dominus who was multiversal reality warper by reversing his own reality warping on him.

Does this now mean that Superman is going to throw Void's molecule manipulation back at him?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Post all the stuff "mr. glowing aura means reality warping". Hey, superman is glowing too!! He punches Sentry's face in!

I told the other guy to judge for himself. I say that it was reality warping, because that's for the Norn stones are known for. They warp the reality and they grant the users wishes.

Man, answer me this one question:
If fighting at their best, do you actually think that Superman can beat Sentry / Void?

Originally posted by Enzeru
Now in all seriousness...

Question 1) What are you trying to prove with the Imperiex-Prime instance?

Nothing during that encounter stands out for Superman. He had help, but he actually didn't even need that help, since he didn't do anything significant.
Should I now be impressed with him breaking Imperiex-Prime's armor? That armor has basically no durability feats what so ever.

Let me give you few examples of durability feats... Sentry busted Doctor Doom's force fields and his armor multiple times, which protected Doctor Doom from:

- an amped up Captain Britain and being punched across the limbo,
- deflected Mjolnir,
- protected Doom from Silver Surfer's attacks,
- Mephistos attacks,
- Uatu, the Watcher's attacks,
- Galactus' attacks,
- Infinity Gauntlet Thanos' attack ...

Sorry, but I don't give a damn about Superman busting Imperiex-Prime's armor. Like at all.

Question 2: Or should I be impressed with Superman flying into Imperiex' energy, which was building up and it was never mentioned at what level that energy was?

Once again, I simply don't give a damn.
Molecule Man was fighting the Beyonder and they were both affecting multiple galaxies and even timelines with their power output, yet the Sentry stood up against that guy and straight up overpowered him.
Even the Cosmic Cube instance is worth being mentioned, since there we can somewhat grasp what kind of a feat it is to stabilize the Cosmic Cube for a while, while I can't say the same for Superman's encounter with a random ass explosion, which went later on off and killed Imperiex-Prime. Killed by his own power ... what a way to go.

Question 3: Or do you have Superman's feat in mind, where he "ends the fight" by pushing the opponent through a Boom Tube?

-__________-

But then again, hey ...
I think there is a thread here on the Killermovies-Versus-forums where people seriously gave Imperiex-Prime the win over the Chaos King himself... That's as insane as it gets.



Does this now mean that Superman is going to throw Void's molecule manipulation back at him?



I told the other guy to judge for himself. I say that it was reality warping, because that's for the Norn stones are known for. They warp the reality and they grant the users wishes.

Man, answer me this one question:
If fighting at their best, do you actually think that Superman can beat Sentry / Void?

Hahaha, you haven't even read the scans, did you? Superman pushed the warworld which was powered by a being who created another big bang while the said being was using his full power to counter superman pushing it. It had nothing to do with superman busting imperiex's armor which was done by DC's version of Eternity sacrificing herself.

Molecule man restricted himself after that fight and it was shown on panel.

You don't give a damn about anything but sentry. Doesn't mean shit.

Are you trying to use Sentry holding a cosmic cube as a feat? Captain Mar-vell destroyed one with a karate chop. What level he is at?

When superman is using T-vo? He overthrew The God (Presence's) will. Void is nothing compared to that.

Sh!ts about to go down.

Wait till Carver shows up with Hulk. Thor is a non issue here

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, you haven't even read the scans, did you? Superman pushed the warworld which was powered by a being who created another big bang while the said being was using his full power to counter superman pushing it. It had nothing to do with superman busting imperiex's armor which was done by DC's version of Eternity sacrificing herself.

Nothing that happened in the OWAW storyline matters anything in a fight against the Void-Sentry. That's my point. Don't try to make it look like more than it is. Everything that happened there had some kind of a contexty part to it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Molecule man restricted himself after that fight and it was shown on panel.

Yeah? Well, no.
After that fight nothing really happened, where it looked like Molecule Man lost even more power.

There was a short period, where he was in the Raft and it can be assumed that he had less power due to mentally ****ing himself up, but that happened in "New Avengers #1", which was written by Brian Michael Bendis, who also wrote the "Dark Avengers" comics, where Sentry defeated the Molecule Man.
After being asked if Molecule Man was depowered, Bendis said: "No."

Originally posted by abhilegend
You don't give a damn about anything but sentry. Doesn't mean shit.

I'm the first one, who will give Superman the victory over characters like Thor and Hulk, even though they have arguably better feats in some areas, but his speed is simply a too big advantage for them to compete with.

Sentry is my favorite character, but I'm not being biased, even though you like to believe so. I look at what I can work with and then judge from there on.
I would go as far to make the argument that the post retcon Molecule Man is as powerful as Galactus. Not a fully fed Galactus, but he would fare well against a mid-fed Galactus.
But that doesn't mean that I would instantly give the Sentry a win over Galactus. That would be insane and Galactus did enough to earn credit for the benefit of a doubt, therefore I wouldn't even argue about it.

But Sentry in a fight against characters on Superman's level? He wins that. The problem is that you're butthurt by that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you trying to use Sentry holding a cosmic cube as a feat? Captain Mar-vell destroyed one with a karate chop. What level he is at?

That ... what? Are you seriously trying to compare the two feats?
However man. Do you know what the Box of Pandora is? Take the Cosmic Cube out and put Pandora's Box in. Which feat is more impressive? Containing the Box, or destroying it? Exactly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When superman is using T-vo? He overthrew The God (Presence's) will. Void is nothing compared to that.

Just give it up already.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Nothing that happened in the OWAW storyline matters anything in a fight against the Void-Sentry. That's my point. Don't try to make it look like more than it is. Everything that happened there had some kind of a contexty part to it. So you have nothing to counter it so you are pretending it never happened. There is no context behind it, superman went into the sun and ****ing overpowered big bang. It happened, deal with it.



Bendis has said a lot of BS in interviews like Ares is Thor level and such. Means shit. What actually happened that Owen restricted his power after his fight with beyonder and its on panel fact.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hey there friends ... ^^ I'm not sure it's that simple.

For instance:

So, ... on top of being mentally unstable!
(Owen created illusionary facsimiles of Beyonder, Mephisto & others,
so he could talk to himself since they were reflections of his sub-conscious)

... Owen also de-powered himself at the end of the Post-Beyonder fight:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16576320_Owen2.jpg

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... Which is probably why in the Sentry encounter he's limited to localized molecular control:

(Owen himself stated this)

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(Victoria Hand confirms this fact)

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... so that ... on top of literally wanting to lose during the Sentry comedy ...

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16285428_Owen.jpg


Actually, I prefer to say,
Owen eased the win for Sentry, rather than outright handing it to him.
... meh, Sentry was obliterated on 3 separate occasions by Owen,
and at the end, Sentry even got a clean shot at Owen,
(same looking energy he used to defeat Owen)
and Owen immediately recovered/retaliated & exploded Sentry a Third time:

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16287646_O1.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16287649_O2.jpg

Then, the same looking orange energy has a lasting affect 3 pages later. lol
It seems to me, sub-consciously Owen had enough, and it was time to go away,
and Sentry was the only one powerful enough he could count on for the job.

Imo.

Neither Thor nor hulk have better feats with superman and sentry certainly doesn't.

The fact that you believe you are non-biased is the biggest tragedy here.
Molecule man restricted his powers.
Mighty generous of you I guess.

Heh, considering that "small god from the small world" killed him and sentry said it himself, I call bullshit. By a piece of shit clone like sentry? Don't make me laugh.



Why, yes. All sentry did is hold the cube. Red skull has done that too.
WTF has pandora's box has to do with this conversation? Do you speak a language only you understand?



Nah, the fun is just beginning. Here let me teach you, superman overpowers Presence's will that nobody can know Spectre's true face.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_JLA207.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_godswillvstvo.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_godswillvstvo1.jpg http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_godswillvstvo2.jpg

The mental gymnastics you're going to do would be fun to watch.

Regular Superman or Sun-Dipped?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Regular Superman or Sun-Dipped? sun dipped

So its basically Superman vs Odin-force Thor and Void-Sentry here. As strong as the Hulk is he is kind of a non-factor in this fight. With supes and sentry and mjolnir zippin around at lightspeeds he is just gonna get dizzy. Until he tries to fight Odin-force Thor and gets uppercutted into space. I do think (hate saying this, I loathe superman) this version of supes can take 6/10 over either thor or sentry by himself but not both. And Hulk will be taken out of this fight early on. I see sentry taking supes on while Thor suckerpunches him with a godblast. And superman is not no selling anything from either one of these guys. And for you hulk fans, yeah he can probably beat up Sentry in fisticuffs but this version is not taking on Odin force Thor and coming out on top.

OWAW Superman/WarHulk no contest.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you have nothing to counter it so you are pretending it never happened. There is no context behind it, superman went into the sun and ****ing overpowered big bang. It happened, deal with it.

Superman overpowered the big bang, something that killed Imperiex-Prime? Seems legit.
Besides that nonsense nothing in the arc comes even close to incdicating that he was actually facing the actual full energies of a big bang. What he did during their encounter was to fly the Warworld into a Boom Tube and you're trying to make that look like the best shice since sliced bread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bendis has said a lot of BS in interviews like Ares is Thor level and such. Means shit.

I want you to show me where he says that. And don't link me to a thread, where a random user comes up with that quote, without offering the source.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What actually happened that Owen restricted his power after his fight with beyonder and its on panel fact.

No, it really didn't :-7 And the writer confirmed it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Neither Thor nor hulk have better feats with superman and sentry certainly doesn't.

Oh you're such a fanboy, it's not even funny anymore.
Especially considering the fact how many of Superman's feats are actually full of bull, judging by some of the efforts people put into to debunk Superman's feats. You know what I'm talking about and you fear it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The fact that you believe you are non-biased is the biggest tragedy here.

Well, it's not like I expected anything else from you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Molecule man restricted his powers. Mighty generous of you I guess.

If there ever is the day when a writer comes along and makes it look like Molecule Man actually, actually wanted to lose in that fight, then I'll be totally fine with that, but for now that's simply not the case.

I've seen Bendis confirming that Molecule Man was not depowered and I've seen the Molecule Man stating multiple times that Sentry's molecules are not like anything he has tasted ever before. I've seen MM being helpless later on when Sentry cut loose, asking him how he is doing that to him. Telling him that he is the one who controls the molecules, but in the end of the day he had to do what the Sentry wanted him to do and then he got sent away.

To me that didn't look like a man wanting to lose - it looked like a man, who was simply overpowered.
And that's not my opinion, that's what you see when you look at the comic:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180597-11.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, considering that "small god from the small world" killed him and sentry said it himself, I call bullshit.

What?

Originally posted by abhilegend
By a piece of shit clone like sentry? Don't make me laugh.

You're so wrong on so many levels, it's really tiresome.
I'm not going to make you laugh, but teach you something about characters you don't know crap about, but still want to argue...

Sentry is not "a piece of shit clone". Sentry couldn't be far more distant from Superman:
http://www.comicvine.com/sentry/4005-1454/forums/sentry-faq-is-sentry-a-superman-ripoff-1480145/#0

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why, yes. All sentry did is hold the cube. Red skull has done that too.
WTF has pandora's box has to do with this conversation? Do you speak a language only you understand?

I apologize for being stupid enough to think you could be smart enough to grasp the comparison.
What I meant is that I could hold the box of the Pandora in my hands, but I wouldn't like trying to contain the stuff coming out of it.

You comparing Red Skull holding the Cosmic Cube in his hands to Sentry containing a loose Cosmic Cube is ridiculouss beyond belief.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, the fun is just beginning. Here let me teach you, superman overpowers Presence's will that nobody can know Spectre's true face.
The mental gymnastics you're going to do would be fun to watch.

Dude, post actual feats or GTFO mah intrawebz.

OWAW Superman/WarHulk FTW

Team 1

Originally posted by Enzeru
Superman overpowered the big bang, something that killed Imperiex-Prime? Seems legit.

facepalm

That was imperiex prime's energies to begin with.
Of course it did. Brainiac 13 said "full countermeasures" when superman was pushing warworld. Warworld empowered by imperiex energies. Your denial isn't going to change anything.





http://marvel.com/news/story/11780/siege_3_post-game_video_interview_with_brian_michael_bendis

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuBgbPyid3M‎

Joe Casey said that all out superman is above galactus and would've beaten Imperiex prime on his own.

http://www.comicboards.com/joecasey-rc.php

I don't give a shit about writer interviews

The writer also wrote Owen confirming he could only affect molecules surrounding him AFTER correcting himself that he controls the world. That's below ****ing firestorm.



Hahaha, so now you're going to just cry that superman's feats are bull and threaten to debunk them? Go ahead and try it. Sure, Dr. Phil. Sure.



I expected just this from you however.



Molecule man restricted himself and Bedis himself confirmed it. Even that weaksauce owen owned sentry thrice.

Means shit. Bendis wrote molecule man being heavily depowered who couldn't even control the molecules of Earth. The only thing sentry has done is control the molecules of a human being who could only control molecules around him.

No shit sherlock. It means jackshit actually. Superman uses T-vo and reverses it on sentry like he did to Dominus.



This was a guy who was creating universes and shit.



Thor killed sentry.



I know about sentry. He's a piece of shit character.

Nobody believes your dreams fanboy. Give it a rest.



Nah, don't apologize for just being stupid. It comes with being a sentry fanboy. All are same.
Sentry didn't contain the cube anyway.

Sentry just held the cosmic cube, he didn't contain it.



That was an actual feat unlike your cosmic cube holding. STFU already.

Sentry solos with ease and grace.

This is a GUTTER WAR!!!! Who wants some popcorn? I've got plenty to go around. We've got two of the biggest fans of two of the most powerful heralds in their respective universes slugging it out! It don't get any better than this!jerry

War Hulk was above Herald level...it was even stated that he was greater in power than Celestials.

Originally posted by carver9
War Hulk was above Herald level...it was even stated that he was greater in power than Celestials. Carver, stop.

Originally posted by carver9
War Hulk was above Herald level...it was even stated that he was greater in power than Celestials.

Really? That's insane where was this stated? I have grown a bit tired of hulk due to his overpowering nature, but if what you said is true than that is just ridiculous.

Its hyperbole, so it doesn't matter but my point was, he was above Herald level.

can't believe that carver's post stopped abhi and enzeru's war, why you spoil the fun

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
This is a GUTTER WAR!!!! Who wants some popcorn? I've got plenty to go around. We've got two of the biggest fans of two of the most powerful heralds in their respective universes slugging it out! It don't get any better than this!jerry


Yes, yes it does.

Originally posted by carver9
War Hulk was above Herald level...it was even stated that he was greater in power than Celestials.

God that Sentry vs Superman fight got dumb fast...

Instead of arguing feats its just who can down play more.

Sundipped Superman soloes

Rao you disappeared

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Rao you disappeared

Hey shhh that's just his sig; he hasn't really flown away.

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Rao you disappeared

Yes, I do that a lot.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thor killed sentry.

Ouh, you're one of those people...

Now I know that I shouldn't have spent time on you in the first place, Raj.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Ouh, you're one of those people...

Now I know that I shouldn't have spent time on you in the first place, Raj.
Sentry himself said it in Uncanny Avengers.

Also concession accepted. Now go make some threads on comicvine about how you're the only guy to understand sentry. Come here with your bullshit again and you will get destroyed again. Also its funny how even after two years you still believe my name is Raj.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Yes, I do that a lot.

Good to see you buddy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sentry himself said it in Uncanny Avengers.

Context son, context.

Everyone and their mother knows that the Sentry stands above Thor and was only defeated, because he wanted to lose. When someone begs to be killed and yells at his opponents: "KILL ME!" and then the writer confirms that Sentry only lost, because he wanted to lose in the end, then you better believe it. Especially considering the fact that he stomped everyone on the battlefield with ease prior to that, before they gained power upgrades of destruction.

You saying something else automatically indicates that you're a mental midget and that there is no point in arguing with you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Also concession accepted. Now go make some threads on comicvine about how you're the only guy to understand sentry. Come here with your bullshit again and you will get destroyed again. Also its funny how even after two years you still believe my name is Raj.

" you will get destroyed again."

LOL! By who? You? Haha!
Keep putting Superman billions and billions of levels above his actual placement in the hierarchy, you delusional weirdo.

Team 1

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hey shhh that's just his sig; he hasn't really flown away.

Funny thing is on my phone I can't see the gif

Originally posted by carver9
Good to see you buddy.


hug

Originally posted by abhilegend
Sentry himself said it in Uncanny Avengers.

Also concession accepted. Now go make some threads on comicvine about how you're the only guy to understand sentry. Come here with your bullshit again and you will get destroyed again. Also its funny how even after two years you still believe my name is Raj. You're ignoring the context of the scene and the writer who admitted it which goes with the comic.

Void destroys Superman. Your feat of the Presence is irrelevant and also taken out of context. M

Without question Team 2 wins; in fact it's almost spite...

I take that back... It is spite.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Context son, context. Excuses, excuses.

Like I said, I don't give a shit about writer interviews. Sentry begged to die, that doesn't made his durability any lower or some shit. It was a coward and a piece of shit character begging to die because he's too weak willed to control his dark side. When Thor killed him, there was no norn stone upgrade buddy. It was simple mercy killing.

Hahaha, you are like a kindergarten kid throwing tantrums that why doesn't every adult in the room doesn't agree with you. Your insults also suck, "mental midget"? What, are you 5 years old or something.




I would use his actual feats, you sentry worshiping clown unlike you. Keep asking for everyone to believe your laughable theories though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Excuses, excuses.

Like I said, I don't give a shit about writer interviews. Sentry begged to die, that doesn't made his durability any lower or some shit. It was a coward and a piece of shit character begging to die because he's too weak willed to control his dark side. When Thor killed him, there was no norn stone upgrade buddy. It was simple mercy killing.

Hahaha, you are like a kindergarten kid throwing tantrums that why doesn't every adult in the room doesn't agree with you. Your insults also suck, "mental midget"? What, are you 5 years old or something.




I would use his actual feats, you sentry worshiping clown unlike you. Keep asking for everyone to believe your laughable theories though. He is using actual relevant feats while you're ignoring the context of all the feats.

The Sentry and Hulk wanking in this thread is getting ridiculous. Tone it down guys.

Also, guys, less with the personal attacks.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The Sentry and Hulk wanking in this thread is getting ridiculous. Tone it down guys.

Also, guys, less with the personal attacks.



You deserve an awesome Aquaman sig, when Aquaman becomes awesome

Originally posted by abhilegend
Excuses, excuses.

No excuses, just context, which you don't know anything about.

It's the same as if I tell you that the Sentry, who fought World War Hulk was weakened, because there is context to it explaining it, but at the same time you have other mental midgets saying how Sentry was using his full power, while he really didn't.

Context, son, context.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said, I don't give a shit about writer interviews. Sentry begged to die, that doesn't made his durability any lower or some shit. It was a coward and a piece of shit character begging to die because he's too weak willed to control his dark side. When Thor killed him, there was no norn stone upgrade buddy. It was simple mercy killing.

Once again, you're TOTALLY ignoring context and it's ridiculous.

Check this out...

At first Thor tells the Void that he is going to smack him with all the power under his command and he does so - in the next scene Thor is getting the crap squeezed out of him, his eyes are wide and his face is all puffed up, just like Ares, before he got killed by the Void:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180715-6.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180716-7.jpg

Then Robert Reynolds starts yelling at the Avengers to kill him and Thor smacks him again, while managing to kill him:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180748-15.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180749-16.jpg

It wasn't a mercy killing. It was Sentry's mercy that saved the day and everyone and their mother knows that, if they actually read the comics. You obviously didn't or at this point you're simply so butthurt over your boy Superman being stomped here that you won't be able to come up with a good argument anytime soon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, you are like a kindergarten kid throwing tantrums that why doesn't every adult in the room doesn't agree with you. Your insults also suck, "mental midget"? What, are you 5 years old or something.

I think that's the saddest post you came up with in this entire thread.
First of all, you started throwing out random (pathetic) insults from nowhere and at the same time even failing to make actual points for why Superman should be a factor in this fight and now I'm the one with the tantrum? You have some serious problems, Raj.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I would use his actual feats, you sentry worshiping clown unlike you. Keep asking for everyone to believe your laughable theories though.

Wat? No, you don't.

You simply don't grasp something important: There are fights that you can't win with physical attributes alone and when it comes to fighting Odinforce Thor / Sentry... Superman isn't going to win, no matter how much sundip he has, because he is still the plain old Superman and he isn't going to compete with the vast versatility of his opponents.

As I said it in the beginning: Void-Sentry solos this entire fight.

War Hulk simply doesn't have enough feats to say where he stands, since everything he did was to beat the Juggernaut and in the end he is also just the plain old Hulk with more strength and few extras, but nothing game breaking.

Void-Sentry on the other hand? He totally annihilates Superman:

- A weakened Sentry stalemated WW Hulk and had the upper hand, someone who strength and durability wise stands above Superman as judging by him overpowering rays, which would have sent the world out of its orbit and taking Galactus' attacks,

- a slightly less weakened Sentry stalemated the Collective for multiple issues, someone, who easily empowered and then defeated the planet buster Binary and during their fight Sentry and Collective destroyed a moon in space and guess what, no one got knocked out, LOL,

- Sentry also defeated Blue Marvel, a guy who could have busted the moon with his punch by bullrushing him into the ground and overloading his durability,

- Sentry took on Photon, the empowered version of Genis-Vell, who was a threat to the entire universe after his power up and in that fight Sentry was busting planets, while still holding back,

- Sentry overloaded the Absorbing Man with power, someone, who once was in Asgard and absorbed their magic there including Odin's and was more than a match for Thor and Hulk over and over again ... and Sentry impressed the Absorbing Man with a fraction of his power, saying that he never tasted power like that before ... when he cut loose, Absorbing Man was gone,

- a pissed off Sentry overpowered the Molecule Man, a guy who was affecting galaxies and timelines during his fights,

- Sentry also broke through Doctor Doom's shields, which were protecting him from high end cosmic entities including Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet,

- Sentry beat the crap out of the Void multiple times and we're talking about his dark side, which broke the Hulk in one move and rendered him helpless for multiple days ... the Void, who overpowered Thor and everyone else on the battlefield with one attack ... the Void, who was ripping gods apart left and right, beat up multiple teams of superheroes including people like Black Bolt and Doctor Strange - at the same time he was trying to bust through the combined force fields of Doctor Strange, Invisible Girl and Iron Man and he was gaining the upper hand until Sentry gained the control again...

No, you tool - your boy Superman is not going to beat someone, who busts planet on a whim and stalemates one of the most powerful versions of the Hulk, while being in a weakened state - and that by either taking so much damage, that Hulk wasted all of his energy to put the Sentry down, or by taking care of the energy by himself by doing so much damage to the Hulk that the gamma energy was used to heal him - either way, it's a ridiculous feat, like so many others of his.

Enzeru is actually using facts from the comics. All you have to do is open up the comic and read it yourself. I'm not taking sides but the writer even confirms this himself. How is that an excuse? That is just going overboard. I know this is a debate and the primary objective to a debate is to have a counter prepared for your opponent, but atleast show some acknowledgment when facts are brought up out of respect.

Still Sundipped Superman soloes here and this will actually come down to Thor vs Superman as usual

Originally posted by Enzeru
No excuses, just context, which you don't know anything about.

It's the same as if I tell you that the Sentry, who fought World War Hulk was weakened, because there is context to it explaining it, but at the same time you have other mental midgets saying how Sentry was using his full power, while he really didn't.

Context, son, context.



Once again, you're TOTALLY ignoring context and it's ridiculous.

Check this out...

At first Thor tells the Void that he is going to smack him with all the power under his command and he does so - in the next scene Thor is getting the crap squeezed out of him, his eyes are wide and his face is all puffed up, just like Ares, before he got killed by the Void:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180715-6.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180716-7.jpg

Then Robert Reynolds starts yelling at the Avengers to kill him and Thor smacks him again, while managing to kill him:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180748-15.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180749-16.jpg

It wasn't a mercy killing. It was Sentry's mercy that saved the day and everyone and their mother knows that, if they actually read the comics. You obviously didn't or at this point you're simply so butthurt over your boy Superman being stomped here that you won't be able to come up with a good argument anytime soon.



I think that's the saddest post you came up with in this entire thread.
First of all, you started throwing out random (pathetic) insults from nowhere and at the same time even failing to make actual points for why Superman should be a factor in this fight and now I'm the one with the tantrum? You have some serious problems, Raj.



Wat? No, you don't.

You simply don't grasp something important: There are fights that you can't win with physical attributes alone and when it comes to fighting Odinforce Thor / Sentry... Superman isn't going to win, no matter how much sundip he has, because he is still the plain old Superman and he isn't going to compete with the vast versatility of his opponents.

As I said it in the beginning: Void-Sentry solos this entire fight.

War Hulk simply doesn't have enough feats to say where he stands, since everything he did was to beat the Juggernaut and in the end he is also just the plain old Hulk with more strength and few extras, but nothing game breaking.

Void-Sentry on the other hand? He totally annihilates Superman:

- A weakened Sentry stalemated WW Hulk and had the upper hand, someone who strength and durability wise stands above Superman as judging by him overpowering rays, which would have sent the world out of its orbit and taking Galactus' attacks,

- a slightly less weakened Sentry stalemated the Collective for multiple issues, someone, who easily empowered and then defeated the planet buster Binary and during their fight Sentry and Collective destroyed a moon in space and guess what, no one got knocked out, LOL,

- Sentry also defeated Blue Marvel, a guy who could have busted the moon with his punch by bullrushing him into the ground and overloading his durability,

- Sentry took on Photon, the empowered version of Genis-Vell, who was a threat to the entire universe after his power up and in that fight Sentry was busting planets, while still holding back,

- Sentry overloaded the Absorbing Man with power, someone, who once was in Asgard and absorbed their magic there including Odin's and was more than a match for Thor and Hulk over and over again ... and Sentry impressed the Absorbing Man with a fraction of his power, saying that he never tasted power like that before ... when he cut loose, Absorbing Man was gone,

- a pissed off Sentry overpowered the Molecule Man, a guy who was affecting galaxies and timelines during his fights,

- Sentry also broke through Doctor Doom's shields, which were protecting him from high end cosmic entities including Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet,

- Sentry beat the crap out of the Void multiple times and we're talking about his dark side, which broke the Hulk in one move and rendered him helpless for multiple days ... the Void, who overpowered Thor and everyone else on the battlefield with one attack ... the Void, who was ripping gods apart left and right, beat up multiple teams of superheroes including people like Black Bolt and Doctor Strange - at the same time he was trying to bust through the combined force fields of Doctor Strange, Invisible Girl and Iron Man and he was gaining the upper hand until Sentry gained the control again...

No, you tool - your boy Superman is not going to beat someone, who busts planet on a whim and stalemates one of the most powerful versions of the Hulk, while being in a weakened state - and that by either taking so much damage, that Hulk wasted all of his energy to put the Sentry down, or by taking care of the energy by himself by doing so much damage to the Hulk that the gamma energy was used to heal him - either way, it's a ridiculous feat, like so many others of his. owned.

Sup rao you don't know me but I've read a lot of your post before joining this site. pshhh superman gets no respect for being a Hyperion clone

Wall of text FTW. I am going to enjoy this. Oh I will.

Originally posted by Enzeru
No excuses, just context, which you don't know anything about. Hahaha.

No sentry wasn't weakened because the writer made it abundantly clear he wasn't. You can do all the mental gymnastic you want to do, it wouldn't change anything.

Yes, context clown, context.



I'm not ignoring anything. The only thing ridiculous is you being able to read anything.

Means shit. Its not the first time this has happened and it won't be the last where heralds like Thor have said something like that. If thor had used Godblast, that would've been all his might.

Which was nowhere said in the actual comic. I don't get butthurt over comic battles anyway and superman kills this pathetic piece of shit clone once and for all. Get angry and tell us how sentry is awesome for the hundredth time. Thor killed sentry, if you've ANY evidence other than conjecture from sentry begging Thor to kill him present it now. If you don't present it, I would accept your concession.



I KNOW that its not your saddest, you're going to get even more sad as this goes on. First you told me you don't want to waste time with me and now this essay? What, you think I'm quan?
I posted actual feats and you started throwing tantrums that this feat doesn't count and "show real feats". I insulted the character sentry, you are still cool with me. Its real cute how you still think I'm someone you thought two years ago. Real cute.



Lulz.

Hahaha, this is getting hilarious. Superman was going to kill a universal abstract with less than a minute of sundip.

Nobody gives a shit about what you said.

Who cares about hulk?

Superman overpowered a pull which pulled a whole planet in source wall.

Superman fought and overpowered Source empowered Infinity Man who fought with the ALE Scott Free destroyed the whole source wall. As for low showings, hellicarriers anybody? Or Namor twoshotting him in Avengers/Invaders? Human Torch overloading him? Hercules/Hulkling oneshotting him? Guess all these instances are him being weakened despite never being shown any indication of such. Ah, well.

Superman oneshotted nearly killed Lobo who has destroyed planets with his farts.

Superman took on Emperor Joker who actually destroyed the whole universe and punched through his body.

Superman powered the ****ing cosmic armor with Ultraman. Superman powered the miracle machine which warped the entire multiverse.

A holding back superman broke soulfire darkseid who no sold Source/ALE entity who were the creator of DCU.

Superman broke through the force-field of Darkseid when he was taking the whole multiverse down with him with just one HV blast. Also doom's force-field has been broken by people like Thing.

Superman oneshotted Despero who in turn has knocked out both superman and captain marvel at once. Nothing major. Silver Surfer once nearly killed thor and avengers with a warning attack. Ripping an enhanced Bizarro apart>>>>>>>>>Ripping Ares apart. The only one notable was strange and nothing else.

No you clown, this is a superman who overpowers Big Bang level energies and kills universal abstracts. Sentry is going to wish Paul Jenkns never created him after the beating superman is going to give him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

This is going to be my last response to you. I'm not doing this to prove YOU wrong, but to show everyone else, who takes the time to read through my posts how wrong YOU are and that they shouldn't listen to your opinion, because you're as biased as it gets towards the blue boyscout.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No sentry wasn't weakened because the writer made it abundantly clear he wasn't. You can do all the mental gymnastic you want to do, it wouldn't change anything.

Sentry is a character, who can have one weakness and that's his mind, which tends to play tricks on him, if he has a bad day:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3189038-1234124.jpg

Before the WW Hulk fight he stayed for over 29 hours at home, unable to leave due to his agoraphobia, while the Hulk was wrecking chaos and threatening the lives of the heroes. Then when it really got serious Sentry had to intervene:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/101942/3189061-1.jpg

So Sentry was in the fight, while having mental problems and he started losing control over his powers and busting the city, while everyone else was saying that he might destroy everything:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179384-10.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179385-11.jpg

Worth being mentioned:
The destruction the Sentry caused during that fight was not under control for 3 days after the fight. His fire was still burning.

In a What If Sentry and Hulk were attacked by the beam and released their energies together, which annihilated the planet and the radioactivity made it impossible for any kind of life later on.

So there we had a fight with CONTEXT and the Sentry dealing with his mental weakness, which makes him less powerful ... YOU KNOW, LIKE GREEN KRYPTONITE MAKES SUPERMAN LESS POWERFUL, SINCE IT'S HIS WEAKNESS!

This is what happened when a stable Sentry faced the Hulk (not World War Hulk, but Savage Hulk nontheless):
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3271658-5.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3271659-6.jpg

He beat him in two panels. Can Superman do that? No, he can't.

Here is a different example of the Sentry struggeling with his bad days:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3189329-1.jpg

Yet he still faced the Collective, who as I said it defeated Binary in one panel or something like that:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179272-1.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179273-2.jpg

During their fight they destroyed a moon (or a planet, or whatever that round planet was, before it exploded, because of their escaping energies).

Then where his mental state was not mentioned he fought Photon and judging by the fact that he was releasing his energy, while Photon was shutting it down - the escaping energies still were destroying planets, as we can see the planet below Captain America collapsing and the Sentry was even holding back:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179258-3.jpg

Then, when Photon teleported Captain America away and Sentry and him were alone, Sentry cut loose and you could see his energies escaping from the Microverse and being visible in the real universe:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179259-4.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2179260-5.jpg

As I said it, no mental weakness was mentioned during that last encounter and it's not like Sentry only had 2 moments, where his mental problems were mentioned. He had few more and it should be clear as day that a bad day can hinder Sentry's performance:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/101942/3189060-2.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, context clown, context.

Damn, Mr. Internet-Tough-Guy ... Mr. Keyboard-Warrior is calling me a clown. You've hurt my feelings now, son.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm not ignoring anything. The only thing ridiculous is you being able to read anything.

I speak three languages nearly perfectly. I'm not concerned about my ability to read.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Means shit. Its not the first time this has happened and it won't be the last where heralds like Thor have said something like that. If thor had used Godblast, that would've been all his might.

Once I knew a delusional weirdo, who said something in the lines of: "Excuses, excuses."

Originally posted by abhilegend
Which was nowhere said in the actual comic. I don't get butthurt over comic battles anyway and superman kills this pathetic piece of shit clone once and for all.

As I said it, Sentry is not a Superman clone. He is a Miracleman clone and I hardly doubt that you even know, who that is, even though I linked you a thread, where I explained it perfectly.

And in the end of the day, guess what ... Superman is a so called "pathetic piece of shit clone" as well.
He is based on the novel Gladiator and at the same time before Superman there was this one character called John Carter (Warlord of Mars) in year 188something I think, who landed on Mars, where he was stronger and faster than anyone else and able to leap great distances with barely any effort. Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Get angry and tell us how sentry is awesome for the hundredth time. Thor killed sentry, if you've ANY evidence other than conjecture from sentry begging Thor to kill him present it now. If you don't present it, I would accept your concession.

Besides the fact that Sentry was begging the Avengers to kill him (the Avengers, not Thor ... Thor was just the first one to speak) and besides the fact that Thor was not able to harm him before and besides the fact that Brian Michael Bendis confirmed that the Sentry was only defeated, because he wanted to lose in the end and besides the fact that multiple characters in the very own universe said that the Sentry is more powerful than Thor and besides the fact that the Sentry was created to be a character more powerful than Thor and besides the fact that Thor said that he couldn't even beat Hulk, while Sentry did it in a weakened state and besides the fact that the Sentry never returned, even though he had the power to do so and besides the fact that everyone knows that Thor wouldn't have been able to beat the Sentry without his cooperation, you're ridiculous and don't deserve any kind of attention ...

... what else could I bring up?

Originally posted by abhilegend
I KNOW that its not your saddest, you're going to get even more sad as this goes on. First you told me you don't want to waste time with me and now this essay? What, you think I'm quan?

As I said it, this is my last response to you.

I think I did a great job in stating my opinion and trying to explain it as good as I can, while you are having tantrums like a little child, who got a potato for birthday so that the parents could make a funny Youtube video out of the tantrum.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I posted actual feats and you started throwing tantrums that this feat doesn't count and "show real feats". I insulted the character sentry, you are still cool with me. Its real cute how you still think I'm someone you thought two years ago. Real cute.

You didn't post feats at all. You posted something, where Superman goes through a transformation from a Super Saiyan (Superman), to a Super Saiyan 2 (Kingdom Come Superman) and then finally to a Super Saiyan 3 (Superman One Million) ... Amd I supposed to take that and you seriously and think about how that would play out in a fight? Get the hell off man.

PS: Raj.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz.

I think I wrote "lulz" once, when I was 14 years old, but then I realized how ridiculous I sound and immediately dropped it after.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, this is getting hilarious. Superman was going to kill a universal abstract with less than a minute of sundip.

Hilarious indeed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nobody gives a shit about what you said.

My life has no meaning anymore.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who cares about hulk?

Carver9 does and at this point I wouldn't be surprised if you had a discussion with him as well, where he posted great Hulk feats to support the character and you were having your tantrums and telling him how Hulk sucks and that Superman overpowered the Presence with his willpower alone.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman overpowered a pull which pulled a whole planet in source wall.

Hulk's feat is more impressive, because there we can work with actual numbers due to the gravity and so on.
Superman maybe did something, where he failed so many times in different instances. I love the one feat, that people post how Superman, Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman are pulling the Earth and everyone says like: "YEAH DUDE, WONDER WOMAN WAS PULLING 1/3 OF THE EARTH!" which is a nonsensical statement in itself, but they never post the following scans, where it's revealed that they actually failed in doing so and that Kyle helped them out.

Not the first time Superman failed in moving planets btw and moving planets is not even in the same dimension as moving a planet out of its orbit, when it comes to feats.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman fought and overpowered Source empowered Infinity Man who fought with the ALE Scott Free destroyed the whole source wall. As for low showings, hellicarriers anybody? Or Namor twoshotting him in Avengers/Invaders? Human Torch overloading him? Hercules/Hulkling oneshotting him? Guess all these instances are him being weakened despite never being shown any indication of such. Ah, well.

Sentry is the biggest jobber in comic book history. He jobbed like no one else before for the sake of the plot. Should be well known by now.
Does that mean that Superman will throw a Helicarrier at him and win that way? Well, a mental midget would think that way.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman oneshotted nearly killed Lobo who has destroyed planets with his farts.

Yeah, Lobo the character, who sometimes has Superman level strength and is sometimes a street leveler. Great argument, Raj, great argument.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman took on Emperor Joker who actually destroyed the whole universe and punched through his body.

I'm going to ignore that one, since you can't possibly believe that Superman facing Emperor Joker means something. As I told you, strength doesn't win you every fight.

Besides that the Emperor Joker storyline was so meh...They straight up made him capable of resurrecting the dead, something Mr. Mxy stated as being impossible, even for him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman powered the ****ing cosmic armor with Ultraman. Superman powered the miracle machine which warped the entire multiverse.

A holding back superman broke soulfire darkseid who no sold Source/ALE entity who were the creator of DCU.

Superman broke through the force-field of Darkseid when he was taking the whole multiverse down with him with just one HV blast. Also doom's force-field has been broken by people like Thing.

Superman oneshotted Despero who in turn has knocked out both superman and captain marvel at once. Nothing major. Silver Surfer once nearly killed thor and avengers with a warning attack. Ripping an enhanced Bizarro apart>>>>>>>>>Ripping Ares apart. The only one notable was strange and nothing else.

There is just too much BS in there. You're losing it right now.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No you clown, this is a superman who overpowers Big Bang level energies and kills universal abstracts. Sentry is going to wish Paul Jenkns never created him after the beating superman is going to give him.

What a sad way to finish off...
Let me show you how a gentleman does it: Have a nice day, Raj.

PS: http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/10/101942/3271772-sentrylol.jpg

Everything ABHI said in his post has been debunked by Rage.

I like enzeru

Originally posted by carver9
Everything ABHI said in his post has been debunked by Rage.
Hush ureself.

Thor solos.

What I got from this thread is, that Superman is the first real Superhero who started the game and the Sentry is a flying Brick with some other powers and a ripoff of Superman (powerwise and from his design, like http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56817/1064144-nuclearman45.jpg another real superman clone) and an ripoff from Miracleman or Marvelman who in turn is an Superman/Captain Marvel (the first real Superman ripoff) ripoff.

Jesus, so Sentry is an Superman ripoff + an Supermanclone-ripoff + an Supermanripoff-ripoff + an Supermanripoff-ripoff-ripoff which makes him something like the ultimate Supermanripoff^5...

Originally posted by Enzeru
HAHAHAHAHAHA. Going incoherent with delusions I see. Good, good.

Yep, not buying it. You will be back as soon as you see the reply here. As for you proving me wrong? Lulz, dream on clown.



Say like Superman who has been explicitly said that his powers are based upon his mind.


http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t/16813029_ActionComics586p09.jpg

Yep, I would just chalk down any fight where superman isn't busting right through his enemies that he was weakened.

Oh, he's right under a heavy jungle fire in power level.

Hahaha, in a What If Black Bolt disintegrated Sentry. The fact that you cite what if makes you look even more of a clown.

Nope, he wasn't weakened there. He isn't Gladiator that he would be weakened when he says he's going to cut loose. There is NO mention of him being weakened there AT ALL.

Because his aura calms hulk down, not that he's suddenly so above hulk. Context clown, context. Anyway he's below Wrecker in power.

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Defenders_019_04.jpg
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/DC_CaptainComet/Defenders_019_05.jpg

Of course superman can beat a calm hulk in less than two panels.



Again means shit.

And Ms. Marvel absorbing a nuke oneshotted Sentry. How's that for power level?

Never happened. Not everything in space is a moon or a planet or whatever.

The only thing that was destroyed was a mesa of rock. You are flat out lying now.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15434864/1371770-14_vssentry4_super.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/15434888/newthunderbolts014page1.jpg.html

Captain America was there and dodging the rocks falling.

Cool. Superman along with Captain Atom, Ray and Darkstar created a new big bang.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ZHpt005_pg018.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ZHpt005_pg019.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/ZHpt005_pg021.jpg

Sentry is an ant in terms of energy projection.

You can do this all day long and it wouldn't mean shit. Nobody gives a shit about your theories.



I'm calling you a clown because you're a clown. Nothing like being tough guy or some shit.



The fact that you supposedly speak three languages and still can't read is hilarious indeed.



You saw yourself in the mirror?



Hahaha. The fact that you don't know that Miracleman himself is a clone of captain marvel who himself is a clone of superman speaks volumes. Its like saying a clone of hyperion isn't a clone of superman.

He isn't. He has taken attributes from several characters.
Superman was based on several characters like Doc Savage, Gladiator and most importantly Hercules of myth. He isn't a clone of one character.



Your rant means little to me. Post a proof that Sentry weakened himself or GTFO. Writer interviews are not proof, your theories are not proof, sentry being supposedly more powerful than Thor or beating hulk isn't a proof and now you're going hysterical. Good.

Your foolishness, what else.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
What I got from this thread is, that Superman is the first real Superhero who started the game and the Sentry is a flying Brick with some other powers and a ripoff of Superman (powerwise and from his design, like http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/56817/1064144-nuclearman45.jpg another real superman clone) and an ripoff from Miracleman or Marvelman who in turn is an Superman/Captain Marvel (the first real Superman ripoff) ripoff.

Jesus, so Sentry is an Superman ripoff + an Supermanclone-ripoff + an Supermanripoff-ripoff + an Supermanripoff-ripoff-ripoff which makes him something like the ultimate Supermanripoff^5... And Superman is a blatant ripoff of Hugo Danner, Aaron Munro, Hercules and Samson with Moses and Jesus themes tacked on well after-the-fact.

Let's not pretend Siegel and Shuster were being original.

Originally posted by Enzeru
As I said it, this is my last response to you. We'll see.

Childs always think that they are doing great. You will learn too child.



Yes, he was taking over the reality warping of Dominus. You can't read where he said that Dominus' power is his now, did you?

Hahaha.



You wrote it yesterday, I take it. Don't be shy.



Your leaps in logic? Why yes.



Heavens forbid! Who would give sentry blowjobs now?



Carver has been beaten so many times that now he wouldn't even look at my post any more. Now you're being just petulant and whiny.



It was a mere hyperbole. There was no planet shunted out of orbit, here it was.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner017.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner018.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner021.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/Superman-Batman0422008MinuteMen-DarthScanner022.jpg


Superman was weakened and not your "sentry's mindset weakened", he was weakened due to being a skeleton for 3000 years and not yet absorbed enough solar power to be at full power.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16018628_jla_75_-_kebbin_30.jpg

Hahaha, superman moved Earth and Moon from one star system to another.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0043.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0044.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/sup_tes__0045.jpg



Nah, that's martian manhunter.
He could just punch him like namor did. Or he could HV him and overload him. You saying he's a jobber doesn't excuses the low showings.



Against superman he's always superman level. Your arguments are as clever as ever, discarding feats on non-nonsensical grounds.



He punched through his head while holding back. That's more than sentry has ever did.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16763859/actioncomics770p18.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16763863/actioncomics770p19.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16763865/actioncomics770p22.jpg.html


Who said he punched Joker and won?

And you once again show you can't read. Mxy said he can't resurrect dead because he's bound by rules. Joker wasn't.



I can post every feat here but your head might explode. No, but you already have.



HAHAHAHA, here you are running away with your tail in between your legs and you call this a sad way to finish?
Not a gentleman, a lady might go whimpering like it.

This is how you do it.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9858/dc2fv7.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Everything ABHI said in his post has been debunked by Rage. Yep.

This has now gone out of hand. Also it is a strong sign of insecurity when people type hahaha in text. But more importantly it is a way to mask anger/rage. And the insults are very unnecessary. Enzeru walked away like the mature adult for he saw there was no reasoning with you ahbi. We should try to maintain a friendly environment. Because in retrospect we are here to talk about fictional characters in fictional worlds for fun. We are all self aware of this and should know where to draw the line.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
This has now gone out of hand. Also it is a strong sign of insecurity when people type hahaha in text. But more importantly it is a way to mask anger/rage. And the insults are very unnecessary. Enzeru walked away like the mature adult for he saw there was no reasoning with you ahbi. We should try to maintain a friendly environment. Because in retrospect we are here to talk about fictional characters in fictional worlds for fun. We are all self aware of this and should know where to draw the line.
Hahaha is an indication of anger? Way to go Dr. Phil!!

Also he was throwing tantrums when anybody dared to question his theories about his beloved sentry as always, you don't know this kid like I do. So kindly shut up.

Originally posted by ODG
And Superman is a blatant ripoff of Hugo Danner, Aaron Munro, Hercules and Samson with Moses and Jesus themes tacked on well after-the-fact.

Let's not pretend Siegel and Shuster were being original.

Indeed they were. They created the first Comic Superhero. Sure they got inspired by a lot of things, Jesus, Hercules, Samson and created a new comic era of Superheroes. Without Superman there woudn't be, most likely, any DC or Marvel Superheroes. He was the first comic Superhero, the original, who started everything, even though he was inspired by lore, myth and other media.
What's the differenc? Captain Mavel was a direct order to copy Superman, what the creator did and the reason why they lost at court. The other Superman clones are exactly that, direct or indirect clones of Superman.

Don't get me wrong, that is nothing bad. Copy from the best, instead of creating somthing horrible like Mattereaterlad...

Most Superman ripoffs or clones are cool.

As Alex Luthor said "everything comes from Superman" - Fact. Not only in DC.

lmao
enzeru got permanent banned from cbr and even fcking comicvine for how much he enjoys deepthroating his Lord Reynolds, but on kmc hes a "mature adult" and a "gentleman".....some things never change

^Don't want to go into this but using What ifs...

Superman at his best (OWAW or FC, Trans or Skyfatherlevel) > Sentry

Sundipped OWAW Supes powered by the allmighty Leobforce btw, stomps voidtry.

Originally posted by tovarisch
lmao
enzeru got permanent banned from cbr and even fcking comicvine for how much he enjoys deepthroating his Lord Reynolds, but on kmc hes a "mature adult" and a "gentleman".....some things never change
The newbie doesn't know what he's talking about. Forgive him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha is an indication of anger? Way to go Dr. Phil!!


not sure if you try to understand the things that you read, coz he did say mask anger/pain.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Also he was throwing tantrums when anybody dared to question his theories about his beloved sentry as always, you don't know this kid like I do. So kindly shut up.


you mad bro?

Originally posted by tovarisch
lmao
enzeru got permanent banned from cbr and even fcking comicvine for how much he enjoys deepthroating his Lord Reynolds, but on kmc hes a "mature adult" and a "gentleman".....some things never change

hmm... this is the only post, this guy has ever made in KMC,and on top of that he was only registered today, and made a enzeru hate post, after which abhi made a quote...


abhi, did you make this dummy account

Originally posted by 8swords
not sure if you try to understand the things that you read, coz he did say mask anger/pain.



i know i shouldnt stick up for anyone but... oh the irony.
it is you who should practice his comprehension. it was said "hahaha" was meant to mask anger/ pain, which in other words means "hahaha = indication of anger and pain", think about that for a moment and understand the relation.
i know when someone is being attacked everybody jump in to the party to be one of the majority, however make sure your responses are valid.

Originally posted by 8swords
not sure if you try to understand the things that you read, coz he did say mask anger/pain. Sure, buddy. I'm in pain here from laughing too hard. BTW, your buddy Enzeru made a "HAHAHAHA" post too.

Looks like he was in pain too.

mmm


For what exactly? Enzeru fleeing KMC again?

I hate all of you.

Originally posted by 8swords
hmm... this is the only post, this guy has ever made in KMC,and on top of that he was only registered today, and made a enzeru hate post, after which abhi made a quote...


abhi, did you make this dummy account
facepalm

Did you just accuse me of creating a sock account for dissing a guy who I already owned just because I made a comment about another poster?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I hate all of you.
Not mindset though.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not mindset though.

Especially mindset.

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

Did you just accuse me of creating a sock account for dissing a guy who I already owned just because I made a comment about another poster?


meh, sure why not,

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Indeed they were. They created the first Comic Superhero. Sure they got inspired by a lot of things, Jesus, Hercules, Samson and created a new comic era of Superheroes. Without Superman there woudn't be, most likely, any DC or Marvel Superheroes. He was the first comic Superhero, the original, who started everything, even though he was inspired by lore, myth and other media.
What's the differenc? Captain Mavel was a direct order to copy Superman, what the creator did and the reason why they lost at court. The other Superman clones are exactly that, direct or indirect clones of Superman.

Don't get me wrong, that is nothing bad. Copy from the best, instead of creating somthing horrible like Mattereaterlad...

Most Superman ripoffs or clones are cool.

As Alex Luthor said "everything comes from Superman" - Fact. Not only in DC. Jesus, Moses, Hercules, and Samson are motifs or archetypes that simply inspire the Superman myth.

Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro are decidedly neither. Look them up. You're likely to be educated on just how blatant a ripoff Superman is should you decide to inform yourself about them.

Or don't.

regular superman solos both opponents and his partner

Originally posted by ODG
Jesus, Moses, Hercules, and Samson are motifs or archetypes that simply inspire the Superman myth.

Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro are decidedly neither. Look them up. You're likely to be educated on just how blatant a ripoff Superman is should you decide to inform yourself about them.

Or don't.

shush you! Jesus, Moses, Hercules, and Samson are all ripoffs of superman, he is supreme.

Originally posted by ODG
Jesus, Moses, Hercules, and Samson are motifs or archetypes that simply inspire the Superman myth.

Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro are decidedly neither. Look them up. You're likely to be educated on just how blatant a ripoff Superman is should you decide to inform yourself about them.

Or don't.
I did, long ago. And well, surely you didn't get the point. We still talk about the first COMIC Superhero who started it all. And that is still Superman, without him we wouldn't have Superhero comics. He is the original and CM, Sentry, Marvelman, Gladiator, Hyperion and many others are his direct comic ripoffs.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
without him we wouldn't have Superhero comics

We might not have Superhero comics as we know them today, at least DC, but unless you can see the future, you have no business claiming that we wouldn't have superhero comics period.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
We might not have Superhero comics as we know them today, at least DC, but unless you can see the future, you have no business claiming that we wouldn't have superhero comics period.

I wrote in an earlier Post of mine "Without Superman there woudn't be, most likely, any DC or Marvel Superheroes. He was the first comic Superhero, the original, who started everything, even though he was inspired by lore, myth and other media. "

So I don't pass it as a fact. Though I think it most likely, and that's my right .
I just don't repeat every single detail I already wrote over and over again, else it become tiresome.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I wrote in an earlier Post of mine "Without Superman there woudn't be, most likely, any DC or Marvel Superheroes. He was the first comic Superhero, the original, who started everything, even though he was inspired by lore, myth and other media. "

So I don't pass it as a fact. Though I think it most likely, and that's my right .
I just don't repeat every single detail I already wrote over and over again, else it become tiresome. He was not the first.

Originally posted by 8swords
hmm... this is the only post, this guy has ever made in KMC,and on top of that he was only registered today, and made a enzeru hate post, after which abhi made a quote...


abhi, did you make this dummy account

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I did, long ago. And well, surely you didn't get the point. We still talk about the first COMIC Superhero who started it all. And that is still Superman, without him we wouldn't have Superhero comics. He is the original and CM, Sentry, Marvelman, Gladiator, Hyperion and many others are his direct comic ripoffs. Explain to me what similarities the Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro characters have to Superman. Once you are able to convince me you do know just how much of a ripoff the original Superman character is, we can go ahead and discuss whether or not the superhero genre owes much to Superman.

Which is an entirely different discussion from my original point: you can accuse Captain Marvel, Sentry and the like as ripoffs of a pre-established character, but so was Superman. Superman was not original. And deflecting from that fact by referencing lofty platitudes of subsequent pop culture success and influence is rather puerile.

Originally posted by ODG
No, you don't have to explain. So I'll just assume you have no idea how much of a ripoff Superman is of the earlier, yet contemporary, fictional characters of Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro. Rendering your original assertion that Siegel and Shuster were original, completely moot and uneducated.

The fact that you think Jesus, Samson, Heracles and Nietzche can be spoken of in the same breath of influence as Hugo Danner or Aaron Munro, basically proves so. That's like arguing that Sentry was just as inspired by Captain America as he was Superman. No. Sentry's origin may be explicitly tied to the Super Soldier Serum and parallel Cap's original plucky kid sidekick characteristics among other things, but Sentry is basically a direct ripoff of Superman. And Superman may be inspired by the ancient Greek Heracles with some dashes of "savior of man" Jesus in there, but he is a direct ripoff of Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro.


You don't understand even the simplest logic. Aren't you the guy from the Mandarin vs Batman discussion? That would explain it.

The moot and uneducated point is on you as the creators themselve told us who they were inspired by. Their own words > your childisch ignorance and hate tbh.
Hercules = Strength and Achilles = Invulnerability existed even before that. As said, Superman is the first and original Comic superhero. The cape, secret identity, strength, invulnerability, his origin. That's a completly new and unseen combination in comics and it lead to our known Superhero comics. Sure you don't like it but who cares. Be glad he was the first, else we wouldn't have those characters you like, most likely.

Still if we wouldn't have had Gladiator and Munro we still would have Superman, as the influence, Hercules, Jesus, Nietzsche, Samson etc. were already there. The strength and invulnerability, the saviour of mankind. They existed in other media before, lore. Those are Supermans roots, and some of them are the roots of Munro and Danner.

Originally posted by ODG

And your apparent willful ignorance of these sorts of facts is the heart of the matter here when it comes to discussing literary ripoffs and originality. You think Superman as a character rises above that? Only someone who has no idea who Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro could say that with a straight face. Ironically, the power of flight was ripped off from Captain Marvel by Superman writers, not the other way around. This being exactly the sort of misinformation that I abhor in discussions such as these. There isn't really a difference when Superman was a direct ripoff of Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro. He is no different in that regard. He just became more popular. And while Superman writers eventually aped more broad literary themes as inspiration like any popular serial character will do, Superman still ended up directly ripping off other characters, including (ironically) Captain Marvel. Things like the power of flight I already mentioned. Another notable one: Supergirl being a ripoff of Mary Marvel.

I know them as well as you but you already set your mind and the hate is strong in you. Well your opinion, as cute as it may be, is the opposite of the commonly accepted comic history and knowledge.

Captain Marvel and the flying thing. The opinions differ and the Fleischer cartoons played also a role. But why go into this, Superman is what Captain Marvel was designed after, that's all that's important. He was there before CM, you can focus as much on powers as you want, you can't change the fact that CM is a direct copy.

What's even funnier, one of the creators of Sentry himself said that Sentry is a Superman clone, wearing the requisite cape and being able to leap tall buildings.

So we end up with two things.

1. Your opinion, Superman is a ripoff and Sentry and CM aren't.
2. FACTs, direct statements of the creators who told us who they were inspired by when they created the first Superhero Comic and so the first Comic Superhero, Superman. That CM was an direct order to copy Superman. That Sentry is according to one creator, a Superman clone.

I prefer the facts. Sry.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You don't understand even the simplest logic. Aren't you the guy from the Mandarin vs Batman discussion? That would explain it. Random butthurt deflection is random and butthurt. If you can't stick to discussing the topic, there's probably a good reason why. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The moot and uneducated point is on you as the creators themselve told us who they were inspired by. Their own words > your childisch ignorance and hate tbh.
Hercules = Strength and Achilles = Invulnerability existed even before that. As said, Superman is the first and original Comic superhero. The cape, secret identity, strength, invulnerability, his origin. That's a completly new and unseen combination in comics and it lead to our known Superhero comics. Sure you don't like it but who cares. Be glad he was the first, else we wouldn't have those characters you like, most likely. Are we really supposed to be taking Siegel and Shuster's own words at face value here? Heracles, Jesus, Samson aren't copyrighted. Nobody's going to complain that they aped from their themes. Hugo Danner was a copyrighted character. Which is why Hugo Danner's creator publicly threatened to sue Siegel and Shuster. Why would you expect them to openly admit to copyright infringement liability?

Or maybe you don't actually know sh1t about any of this. Like I was saying before. You're trying really hard to mask your complete ignorance over these sorts of facts, but the harder you try, the more blatantly it's revealed. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Still if we wouldn't have had Gladiator and Munro we still would have Superman, as the influence, Hercules, Jesus, Nietzsche, Samson etc. were already there. The strength and invulnerability, the saviour of mankind. They existed in other media before, lore. Those are Supermans roots, and some of them are the roots of Munro and Danner. The inspirations for Superman =/= the ripoffs that have defined the Superman character. You can't say that Superman ripped off Jesus Christ. That's just dumb. You can absolutely say that Superman ripped off Hugo Danner. This difference is something you're trying to gloss over. We get why. Because you wan to think that Superman is above all of that. He's not. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I know them as well as you but you already set your mind and the hate is strong in you. Well your opinion, as cute as it may be, is the opposite of the commonly accepted comic history and knowledge. Declaring your blatant over-generalizations and misinformation to be "commonly accepted comic history" is almost enough to make me laugh myself right out of his conversation. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Captain Marvel and the flying thing. The opinions differ and the Fleischer cartoons played also a role. But why go into this, Superman is what Captain Marvel was designed after, that's all that's important. He was there before CM, you can focus as much on powers as you want, you can't change the fact that CM is a direct copy. Superman ripped it off though. And anyway you're the one who mentioned flight, not me. So don't blame me for pointing out how you stuck your foot in your mouth. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
What's even funnier, one of the creators of Sentry himself said that Sentry is a Superman clone, wearing the requisite cape and being able to leap tall buildings. When have we ever argued that Sentry isn't a ripoff of Superman? Focus please. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So we end up with two things.

1. Your opinion, Superman is a ripoff and Sentry and CM aren't.
2. FACTs, direct statements of the creators who told us who they were inspired by when they created the first Superhero Comic and so the first Comic Superhero, Superman. That CM was an direct order to copy Superman. That Sentry is according to one creator, a Superman clone.

I prefer the facts. Sry. 1. When have I ever said in this thread that Sentry and CM are not ripoffs?
2. Why would you ever expect Siegel and Shuster to admit copyright infringement when they were being publicly threatened with lawsuits?

I prefer the facts too. I'm not sorry that you are just shockingly uneducated over what those facts are. Despite my attempts to educate you. You have proven to be so profoundly misinformed of these facts, that you are intentionally or unintentionally just blatantly lying about my position now in order to regain some traction. I can tell which direction the conversation will head now: butthurt. So this is around the time where I laugh myself right out of this conversation.

Originally posted by ODG
Random butthurt deflection is random and butthurt. If you can't stick to discussing the topic, there's probably a good reason why.


Coming from you, el oh el.

Originally posted by ODG

Are we really supposed to be taking Siegel and Shuster's own words at face value here? Heracles, Jesus, Samson aren't copyrighted. Nobody's going to complain that they aped from their themes. Hugo Danner was a copyrighted character. Which is why Hugo Danner's creator publicly threatened to sue Siegel and Shuster. Why would you expect them to openly admit to copyright infringement liability?
Or maybe you don't actually know sh1t about any of this. Like I was saying before. You're trying really hard to mask your complete ignorance over these sorts of facts, but the harder you try, the more blatantly it's revealed.


Yes, really simple. Their words hold more value then yours tbh.
Hugo Danner threatened them but he didn't do it, why? Because he knew he couldn't and that he couldn't win. He had no ground, like you now. His threats were as empty as your claims are now.
So again a FACT. Wylie didn't sue them because he couldn't win.
Hercales, Samson, Jesus, Moses and all those stories are known, famous, they were the inspirations for many, many charakters.
It's like with Harry Potter and Timothy Hunter. Though they have far more in common then Supes and Glads.

Originally posted by ODG

The inspirations for Superman =/= the ripoffs that have defined the Superman character. You can't say that Superman ripped off Jesus Christ. That's just dumb. You can absolutely say that Superman ripped off Hugo Danner. This difference is something you're trying to gloss over. We get why. Because you wan to think that Superman is above all of that. He's not. Declaring your blatant over-generalizations and misinformation to be "commonly accepted comic history" is almost enough to make me laugh myself right out of his conversation. Superman ripped it off though. And anyway you're the one who mentioned flight, not me. So don't blame me for pointing out how you stuck your foot in your mouth. When have we ever argued that Sentry isn't a ripoff of Superman? Focus please.


I can absolutely say that he didn't ripped off Hugo Danner, as we know the sources for his inspiration from the creators themself. This is something you have to learn. Superman is unique, like many other Superheroes who fly, have superstrength and wear a cape. There are more then enough of them. A ripoff is an direct, consciously made copy of an existing charakter. Not of some general powers that existed since hundreds or thousands of years.
You can laugh out yourself out of here, because you already lost this, again. But you want, because you are to stubborn and pityful and will never accept that the words of people who actually created something iconic > yours.


Originally posted by ODG

1. When have I ever said in this thread that Sentry and CM are not ripoffs?
2. Why would you ever expect Siegel and Shuster to admit copyright infringement when they were being publicly threatened with lawsuits?

I prefer the facts too. I'm not sorry that you are just shockingly uneducated over what those facts are. Despite my attempts to educate you. You have proven to be so profoundly misinformed of these facts, that you are intentionally or unintentionally just blatantly lying about my position now in order to regain some traction. I can tell which direction the conversation will head now: butthurt. So this is around the time where I laugh myself right out of this conversation.

1. Ok we agree then . Good you are improving.
2. Because they sold Superman to DC.
You really don't like it and you don't like the Charckter, I get it. But don't try to force your hate and opinion on me as a fact. I stick to the words of the people who were there and created Superman, thanks.

You can try to insult me as much as you want. You are the only one who is making a fool out of himself. That's why you are running with your tail between your legs. But you can't. Your ignorance and injured pride will bring you back., like the last time.

ODG's word >>>> Jerry Siegel and Joe Shusters

el oh el, indeed

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Coming from you, el oh el. Because somehow you like to spread your butthurt across numerous threads? Your self-projection is so transparent, and your monumentally ironic phail blatant it deserves this .gif:

http://i.imgur.com/XBxNY9b.gif Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yes, really simple. Their words hold more value then yours tbh.
Hugo Danner threatened them but he didn't do it, why? Hugo Danner is a fictional character. He can't physically sue people in real life. Try not to get so mad that you become incoherent. And Siegel and Shuster would never admit that Hugo Danner inspired Superman when they were threatened with litigation. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Because he knew he couldn't and that he couldn't win. He had no ground, like you now. His threats were as empty as your claims are now.
So again a FACT. Wylie didn't sue them because he couldn't win.
Hercales, Samson, Jesus, Moses and all those stories are known, famous, they were the inspirations for many, many charakters.
It's like with Harry Potter and Timothy Hunter. Though they have far more in common then Supes and Glads. Gladiator isn't the name of the character, it's the name of the book that Hugo Danner is featured in. Please stop being incoherent or broadcasting just how dumb you are about this all. I like how you declare that the creator could not win and that your knowledge of his inner thoughts somehow constitutes a documented fact. Like I said, when your arguments get completely railroaded to oblivion, you just start spouting out complete lies and fabrications before the inevitable rectal dam burst. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I can absolutely say that he didn't ripped off Hugo Danner, as we know the sources for his inspiration from the creators themself. This is something you have to learn. Superman is unique, like many other Superheroes who fly, Because comic creators are always honest about whether or not they ripped off other comic characters. Hold up for a second, you can hear the internet breaking out in simultaneous laughter. And once again, Captain Marvel flew first. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
have superstrength and wear a cape. There are more then enough of them. A ripoff is an direct, consciously made copy of an existing charakter. Not of some general powers that existed since hundreds or thousands of years.
You can laugh out yourself out of here, because you already lost this, again. But you want, because you are to stubborn and pityful and will never accept that the words of people who actually created something iconic > yours. Hugo Danner's influence on Superman's creation is well-documented. And I bet it makes you mad. After all, you couldn't even bring yourself to renumerate what Superman ripped off from Hugo Danner or Aaron Munro. It's funny that you keep glossing over this, but clearly you refused to read about it, making you willfully ignorant and scared because of what more butthurt could ensue, or if you did actually bother to look it up, it apparently makes you so mad that you can't even begin to describe what was ripped off.

And, yea, I'll keep throwing it in your face that you can't even bring yourself to speak about them. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
1. Ok we agree then . Good you are improving.
2. Because they sold Superman to DC.
You really don't like it and you don't like the Charckter, I get it. But don't try to force your hate and opinion on me as a fact. I stick to the words of the people who were there and created Superman, thanks. 1. I never disagreed that Sentry and CM weren't ripoffs. The only thing that improved was the transparency of your projection to cover up your blatant lie about my position. No, wait. That was completely transparent. Never mind, your butthurt is still obvious.
2. So they have no fear of reprisal? You do understand that would make DC liable for continuing the copyright infringement against the Hugo Danner creator, and make Siegel and Shuster liable to DC for false representations and related torts along with being liable to Wylie for copyright infringement?

Can you be this much of a colossal goon when it comes to Supeman that you consciously thought this through enough to type that out and expected it to make sense? You can't ripoff Apple products, sell the designs to another company, then act like you're scot-free to openly admit everything, simply because you transferred the rights to the infringing property to somebody else.

What could have possibly possessed you to asset something that retarded? My medical diagnosis: spontaneous stupidity and brain shutdown caused by pain in the rectum. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You can try to insult me as much as you want. You are the only one who is making a fool out of himself. That's why you are running with your tail between your legs. But you can't. Your ignorance and injured pride will bring you back., like the last time.

ODG's word >>>> Jerry Siegel and Joe Shusters

el oh el, indeed I don't have to try to insult you. You've been making a complete fool out of yourself on your own. But that's all your fault. Because you simply couldn't accept the fact that Superman is a direct ripoff of pre-existing characters, and Superman continued to ripoff other characters. Blatantly.

But go ahead and prove you're at least topically educated and not completely butthurt by typing out what is similar between Hugo Danner/Aaron Munro and Superman. Because clearly, you are try harding right now with self-projections, deflections, blatant lies, and bumbling incoherency. How about you try hard with some actual facts?

So erm...who wins?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So erm...who wins?

That's a tough one, but team 1. 10/10

Another thread went to shit.

Originally posted by ODG
Because somehow you like to spread your butthurt across numerous threads? Your self-projection is so transparent, and your monumentally ironic phail blatant it deserves this .gif:

You are cute. Really. First you follow me through threads after our first discussion, which you lost and couldn't bear to accept defeat and now you project your insecurity and your other character flaws on me, cute.
Your attitude changed, which is am inmprovement. In our first discussion you ignored every fact and started to rage, insult and playing the internet tough-guy-bully, which made me feel pity for you, because I can imagine what you are. Now your approach was interesting, more subtle but still full of hate and spite. Calm down, boy, I don't want to hurt your feelings anymore.

Originally posted by ODG

http://i.imgur.com/XBxNY9b.gif Hugo Danner is a fictional character. He can't physically sue people in real life. Try not to get so mad that you become incoherent. And Siegel and Shuster would never admit that Hugo Danner inspired Superman when they were threatened with litigation. Gladiator isn't the name of the character, it's the name of the book that Hugo Danner is featured in. Please stop being incoherent or broadcasting just how dumb you are about this all. I like how you declare that the creator could not win and that your knowledge of his inner thoughts somehow constitutes a documented fact. Like I said, when your arguments get completely railroaded to oblivion, you just start spouting out complete lies and fabrications before the inevitable rectal dam burst. Because comic creators are always honest about whether or not they ripped off other comic characters. Hold up for a second, you can hear the internet breaking out in simultaneous laughter. And once again, Captain Marvel flew first. Hugo Danner's influence on Superman's creation is well-documented. And I bet it makes you mad. After all, you couldn't even bring yourself to renumerate what Superman ripped off from Hugo Danner or Aaron Munro. It's funny that you keep glossing over this, but clearly you refused to read about it, making you willfully ignorant and scared because of what more butthurt could ensue, or if you did actually bother to look it up, it apparently makes you so mad that you can't even begin to describe what was ripped off.

My bad, I was in a hurry and wrote the name of the character not the creator, which proves I didn't take the time for you. Sorry, you are not that important, you could have come to this conclusion by yourself, but that would require some thinking.
Your words. I take the words of the creators. You are not the authority you want to be, sorry boy.
Now you are back again at the point of being the tough guy one has to pity
Creators are more honest then you to be sure as seen in the other thread we had a discussion in . Why should I doubt their words when they make perfect sense? Your are cute.
I can't hear it, but I believe you when you say you can hear the internet laughing .
Again CM was a direct copy of Superman, by order.
It doesn't because it wasn't essential, if you know how superman was created, what he was at first before being published etc. but why educate someone who is to stubborn and blind to accept the truth *shrug.
I know them. I know that Superman has a strength like Hercules, invulnerability almost like Achilles, he was send to earth in order to be saved like moses. An good an original approach. Like Siegfried.

Originally posted by ODG

And, yea, I'll keep throwing it in your face that you can't even bring yourself to speak about them. 1. I never disagreed that Sentry and CM weren't ripoffs. The only thing that improved was the transparency of your projection to cover up your blatant lie about my position. No, wait. That was completely transparent. Never mind, your butthurt is still obvious.
2. So they have no fear of reprisal? You do understand that would make DC liable for continuing the copyright infringement against the Hugo Danner creator, and make Siegel and Shuster liable to DC for false representations and related torts along with being liable to Wylie for copyright infringement?

Why should I write something for you, if you can't even accept the basic facts. You keep on spreading lies, are mad when called out on them and expect people to take your word over the word of the creators. Cute.

1. you learn, a little bit at least.
2. So now we take your guessing and mindreading skills to prove that you know what is real and true and they don't? Sure, cute. You are no authority, your opinion, though cute isn't a fact. Accept it and start the healing.

Originally posted by ODG

Can you be this much of a colossal goon when it comes to Supeman that you consciously thought this through enough to type that out and expected it to make sense? You can't ripoff Apple products, sell the designs to another company, then act like you're scot-free to openly admit everything, simply because you transferred the rights to the infringing property to somebody else.

If I copy something, it's a copy and obiously at that, you can sue me and will win. Still I can get inspired by apple, samsung and other and make something completly new. Though in the case of Superman, the role of Glads if any would be minimal at best, as all those traits were already there, in history and myth. You will never get over it that he was the first, I know. Keep trying though, maybe you will convince some people one day. The majority knows the truth however .

Originally posted by ODG

What could have possibly possessed you to asset something that retarded?

Kettle calling.. oh forget it. I'm not going to drop to your level^^.

Originally posted by ODG

My medical diagnosis: spontaneous stupidity and brain shutdown caused by pain in the rectum.

Self-awareness is vital to self-improvement

Originally posted by ODG

I don't have to try to insult you. You've been making a complete fool out of yourself on your own. But that's all your fault. Because you simply couldn't accept the fact that Superman is a direct ripoff of pre-existing characters, and Superman continued to ripoff other characters. Blatantly.


Coming from you, that's cute.
It's all my fault, nooooooo. el oh el.
Not a fact your opinion. You yourself said that he was inspired by:

Originally posted by ODG
And Superman is a blatant ripoff of Hugo Danner, Aaron Munro, Hercules and Samson with Moses and Jesus themes tacked on well after-the-fact.

Let's not pretend Siegel and Shuster were being original.

With most being confirmed by the creators. Too many characters to be a ripoff. Hugo, Hercules, Samsons... that's too much. With traits of Moses and jesus. See that's why he is the original . Thanks for proving this.

Originally posted by ODG

But go ahead and prove you're at least topically educated and not completely butthurt by typing out what is similar between Hugo Danner/Aaron Munro and Superman. Because clearly, you are try harding right now with self-projections, deflections, blatant lies, and bumbling incoherency. How about you try hard with some actual facts?


I did, you are the only one who expects me to take your word >>> the word of the creators. You are no authority, not for me, nor for anyone else, sorry to disappoint you son.So try harder, rage more and keep on spreading your lies as facts. I keep to the facts. I pity you though.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You are cute. And you are ignorant. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Really. First you follow me through threads after our first discussion, which you lost and couldn't bear to accept defeat and now you project your insecurity and your other character flaws at me, cute. The irony threatens to break the internet. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Your attitude changed, which is am inmprovement. Your ignorance hasn't changed unfortunately. Neither has your willingness to stay ignorant. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
1. you learn, a little bit at least.
2. So now we take you guessing and midnreading skills to prove that you know what is real and true and they don't? Sure, cute. You are no authority, your opinion, though cute isn't a fact. Accept it and start the healing.1. I learned that you can't read English or were just completely lying about my position again. Neither of which is surprising.
2. I understand the simple concept that selling a stolen idea that infringes on another's property rights doesn't suddenly absolve you of any liability to either the infringed person or the unfortunate buyer.

This doesn't require guessing or mind-reading. And you'd have to be a real twit to think otherwise. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
If I copy something, it's a copy and obiously at that, you can sue me and will win. Still I can get inspired by apple, samsung and other and make something completly new. Though in the case of Superman, the role of Glads if any would be minimal at best, as all those traits were already there, in history and myth. Minimal at best?????? You really have no f@cking clue how much of Superman was ripped off from Hugo Danner, do you? This completely false generalization is something that I'm just going to have to stamp out right now. At this point, you've been reduced to a self-projecting troll whose best excuse is pleading from utter ignorance while pretending to know all the relevant facts.

You don't know sh1t. Or you're just lying outright. Hugo Danner's story isn't minimal. A ridiculous amount of Superman's early powers, chacteristics, character foibles, and even adventures were lifted from Hugo Danner's story. A bunch of them, blatantly so. Now sit down and wait for a minute for your comics history lesson. While you wait for the next post that I detail this, do yourself a favor and grab a buttplug and some tissues to stem your bleeding. This is how much Siegel and Shuster ripped off Superman in his first year of published comics: Action Comics #1-12 and Superman #1 published between June 1938 to June 1939 of the Hugo Danner story, Gladiator, published in 1930. We should start at the beginning after all:

^You can find similarities in every story. Take some history lessons and read up on greek myth, nordic myth and others and you will find all that in Glads and Superman.

Learn to differ and educate yoursef boy ^^.

Rage on it's amusing, don't expect me to go through your "butthurt" again

BTW don't forget after taking those powers and character traits to think about myth and if other characters, like Hercules, Achilles, Moses, Jesus etc didn't had those traits before. You might spare youself some humiliation... though it's too late already .

Oh and cute how fast you reply and how eager you are. I think I got a fan .

Yes, but Jesus has almost no onpanel feats, only hype.

velho

Originally posted by abhilegend
Another thread went to shit.

Sorry, I should ignore my personal stalker but... ok there is no excuse for feeding a Troll :/

UOTE=14489680]Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but Jesus has almost no onpanel feats, only hype.

velho

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/jesus4.jpg

Let's start with what literally makes them both super-heroes. The very core of their characters: their super-powers.

1. Hugo Danner could jump really high. This isn't an incidental trait of his super-strength that was never focused on. Although he had always manifested super-strength, it wasn't until he leaped several stories straight up "beyond the eye of man, he learned that he was superhuman."
2. Hugo Danner was super-strong. And became much stronger as he matured.
3. Hugo Danner could "run fast'r than a train."
4. Hugo Danner was bullet-proof and near invulnerable. In fact, nothing short of an artillery shell could hurt him. Indeed, it was a barrage of artillery fire that hurt him for the first time ever.

Here's an explanation of Superman's powers in his very first appearance in Action Comics #1 on the very first frikkin page, where the four things that are listed: his uncanny leaping ability, his super-strength, his running speed superior to a train, and his invulnerability "that nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin." Mind you, it wouldn't be until much later, the 50s approximately???, that Superman exhibited things like heat vision, freeze breath, etc. These were Superman's original super-powers:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff01.jpg

Coincidence? Pfft.

5. After discovering his super-powers, Hugo Danner's father explained to him with a colorful analogy how his powers worked, "hen you were born -- you were that strong. Did you ever watch an ant carry many times its weight? Or see a grasshopper jump fifty times its length? . . . Can you understand that?"

This is another panel from Action Comics #1 from the first page directly below the previous one posted:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff02.jpg

Coincidence? Blatant plagiarism, more like.

6. Hugo Danner all exhibited these preternatural abilities as an infant to the shock of his mother by, among other things, moving around and literally wrecking furniture. That's how the story basically began. Here's baby Superman doing the same exact thing at the beginning of Action Comics #1 and Superman #1 (the first pages respectively of each issue) wrecking the furniture of his orphan asylum (it wasn't until much later that it was retconned that the Kents never stopped to drop him off at an orphan's asylum and took him straight to their farm home):

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff15.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff16.jpg

These are just Hugo Danner's super-powers and how they were described and how they were first introduced. Same with Superman. Do you detect a pattern? Not yet? Let's continue:

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Sorry, I should ignore my personal stalker but... ok there is no excuse for feeding a Troll :/

UOTE=14489680]Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but Jesus has almost no onpanel feats, only hype.

velho

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/jesus4.jpg








He is actually posting evidence to back his claims whereas you are not. Funny thing is Jesus has many similarities to previous religions as well but you wouldn't know that either. Watch Zeitgeist and have your mind blown. Noah's flood is another blatant rip off the Gilgamesh flood iirc.

Superman like the others are taken from previous ideas and heroes. Proof is in the pudding. He isn't different or the first either.

Let's move on to specific feats and upbringing:

7. Hugo Danner had a variety of feats showcasing his super-strength. But since it wasn't a comic serial, he didn't actually have a whole bunch of them beyond simply man-handling people. What were some of his more impressive real super-strength feats? Among other things, he ripped a steel vault off its hinges, and then lifted a car into the air over his head along with its passenger.

Here's Superman tearing a steel vault off its hinge (his first real super-strength feat in costume... ever) and lifting a car over his head (his second) in Action Comics #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff05.jpg

Really? Superman's first two real super-strength feats happened to be exactly some of Hugo Danner's limited super-strength feats? There's a few good reasons DC won their lawsuit against Fawcett comics, one of them was because Captain Marvel ended up lifting a whole bunch of feats that Superman himself performed first.

8. Hugo Danner's parents instilled strong moral values in him and specifically warned him as a child not to display his super-powers, "Because they fear you. So you see, you've got to be good and kind and considerate -- to justify all that strength. Some day you'll find a use for it -- a big, noble use -- and then you can make it work and be proud of it. Until that day, you have to be humble like all the rest of us." Hugo Danner ended up beating picked on and humiliated by bullies at his school and even whipped by a smithy of all things, pretending to be weak with varying degrees of success.

Here's a young Superman being raised with the "love and guidance of his kindly foster-parents was to become an important factor in the shaping of the boy's future," lectured to keep his powers hidden but to assist humanity "when the proper time comes" in Superman #1.

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff13a.jpg

And him willingly humiliating himself by being bullied and pretending to be weak in Action Comics #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff04.jpg

Did you think the wimpy Clark Kent persona hiding his powers was original? Sorry.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^That's all, really? Take some history lessons, read something about myth .



Take Glads and compare him to characters of myth and you will see that he shares some powers and traits with them. They were there long before he was created. Now, Superman and Glads were inspired by some similar sources, so no wonder they have some traits in common but also enough differences. But Superman was not created like.

Joe: Ey Jerry this Guy is cool, we make something like him and call him Superman!

It was more like. What would we get if we would take Hercules strength, the drama of Moses etc and create something new?

Sentry was called a Superman clone by one of his creators. simple.

YOu like wiki? here we go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhero
"Since the creation of the prototypical superhero Superman in 1937, "

I wonder why Supes has so much haters? Envy? ODG is posting evidence. All of the heroes are usually inspired elsewhere. Why is this so hard to take in. Superman is not the exception and until you post evidence claiming someone is envious doesn't hold any weight in a debate.

Can we get anymore blatant? How about specific adventures that they shared. Yea, this stuff happened in the short Hugo Danner story and in the first year of Superman's published stories:

9. Hugo Danner when he matured, was a bit of a wanderer and therefore had a kind of goofily wide range of experiences. They weren't that explored in detail because, well, it was a short book. But among other things (and in no particular order), he confronted selfish politicians on Capital Hill, he experienced terrible wartime combat, he played high school and collegiate football until he accidentally killed someone, he worked as a strongman on the boardwalk, and he bullied a bunch of corrupt police officers who tried to torture him.

Here's Superman confronting selfish politicians, making a selfish munitions manufacturer experience terrible wartime combat, playing collegiate football, working as a strongman in the circus, and bullying a bunch of corrupt prison wardens who tried to torture him. These are all from Action Comics #1, 2, 4, 7 and 10 respectively:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff08.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff09.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff10.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff11.jpg

Really? You mean to tell me that in the first ten published appearances of Superman, he happens to share five awfully similar adventures that Hugo Danner experienced? Fact is, I only limited by look to the first year of Superman's comics. I'm almost assuredly going to find more parallel adventures by reaching beyond those issues, which 'll discuss later. But the 5 for 10 ratio in the very first 10 comics of Superman is a rather curious blatant ratio indicating something. See if you can guess the proper word: r_p_ff.

Hell, why not trace some curious parallels between Hugo Danner and Superman that don't even raelly fall into the category of origins, upbringing, feats or adventures:

10. Hugo Danner was explicitly described as having "a quantity of blackhair -- hair so dark as to be nearly blue" and a tall solid physique.

Yeah. That one is pretty self-explanatory.

11. Hugo Danner and his father have a conversation about just what he is exactly. After revealing to him his origins and his super-powers, he asked him can you understand that? What was Hugo Danner's response?

"Sure. I'm like a man made out of iron instead of meat."

... I shouldn't have to explain this one either. Although I should point out that Superman's publishers only started carrying his official moniker of Man of Steel -- it had showed up on a newspaper headline earlier -- from Action Comics #11 onward consistently:

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff12.jpg

Yeah. I basically just glossed over ONLY the first year of published Superman stories. And not only do we get the same exact super-powers, the same description of said superpowers (nearly word for word), the same emergence and maturation of those super-powers, the same feats, the same upbringing and moral compasses, the same adventures, we also get their similar appearance and even similar monikers.

Of course, here we are in this thread where you professed to know everything about Hugo Danning and what did you say? Oh yes: Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Though in the case of Superman, the role of Glads if any would be minimal at best, as all those traits were already there I expect even someone as butthurt as you can't even look at what I just listed and willingly state that Wylie's Hugo Danning was "minimal" to Superman. Like... you have to be really dumb and/or butthurt. You know what wold drive the point home even more? The fact that I only limited the strict ripoff examples to the very first year of published Superman comics. Shall I list some other similarities that Superman eventually shared? Yea, why not. I don't have scans for these yet, but these are all really well-known facts for any self-professed fan of Superman:

^Hugo was the first with Superstrength and he was the first with invulnerability? Cute.

Originally posted by quanchi112
ODG is posting evidence. All of the heroes are usually inspired elsewhere. Why is this so hard to take in. Superman is not the exception and until you post evidence claiming someone is envious doesn't hold any weight in a debate.

Sure no one denies that Superman, like most characters in fiction, was inspired elsewhere. His sources are, and ODG agrees to some extent, Hercules, Moses, Samson, maybe even Siegfried, Achilles, most likely Jesus etc. So many sources to create something new. And maybe, a little bit Glads, who himself was inspired by some of those sources. That's not the discussion.
What ODG claims is, that Jerry and Joe looked at Glads and copied Superman from him, which is false, entirely. It also contradicts their own statement which makes perfect sense, when you look at Hercules, Samson, Moses, Jesus etc.

Sentry is called a Superman clone by his creator. CM was an direct order to copy him. Simple.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I wonder why Supes has so much haters? Envy?

There are many reasons and here are few of them:

- he is a boring character,
- it's impossible to relate to him,
- he has a lot of power, but he barely does anything with it,
- he gets worshipped by his writers, who give him feats without any reason,
- Silver Age,
- Supergirl, Superboy, Power Girl, Krypto, Superanimal League,
- HIS GOD DAMN FANBOYS!

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
We still talk about the first COMIC Superhero who started it all. And that is still Superman, without him we wouldn't have Superhero comics. He is the original and CM, Sentry, Marvelman, Gladiator, Hyperion and many others are his direct comic ripoffs.

There is something I actually really like about Killermovies and it's that the mod usually let you talk trash without instantly banning you.
I don't mind it at all, when someone insults me, because I do it to others as well and you Batman-Prime are an incredibly stupid person.

To say that without Superman we wouldn't have superhero comic books is such a ridiculously retarded statement, damn dude ... You act like Superman was the idea for the first superhero, while in fact he wasn't at all ... Superman was inspired by the Gladiator, who most likely was inspired by John Carter, who maybe was inspired by mythological characters.

But besides Superman we already had superheroes prior to that:

1. Zorro, a masked vigilante, who was carrying a sword and fighting against corruption. Batman is based on that guy.

2. The Shadow, a masked vigilante, who was carrying two guns and fighting against gangsters. Batman is also based on that guy.

3. The Phantom, a masked vigilante, who was carrying around various weapons and fighting against typical bad guys.

All of them had their adventures before Superman came out.
To say that without Superman we wouldn't have comics is ... as retarded as it gets, really. That's like saying that no one ever would have come up with the idea to try putting that stuff into newspaper and also that Stan Lee never would have created great characters.

Speaking of Stan Lee and great characters...
As I wrote it before: Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, Power Girl, Krypto and a bunch of Superanimals. Then also Flash and 4-5 other Flashes. The same applies for the Green Lanterns and so on.

Thank Marvel that we have some actual character variety in comic books. If it was for DC and Superman comics would be boring as hell.

There is NOTHING Superman did for comic books, besides giving us a insanely stupid Silver Age.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^Hugo was the first with Superstrength and he was the first with invulnerability? Cute.



Sure no one denies that Superman, like most characters in fiction, was inspired elsewhere. His sources are, and ODG agrees to some extent, Hercules, Moses, Samson, maybe even Siegfried, Achilles, most likely Jesus etc. So many sources to create something new. And maybe, a little bit Glads, who himself was inspired by some of those sources. That's not the discussion.
What ODG claims is, that Jerry and Joe looked at Glads and copied Superman from him, which is false, entirely. It also contradicts their own statement which makes perfect sense, when you look at Hercules, Samson, Moses, Jesus etc.

Sentry is called a Superman clone by his creator. CM was an direct order to copy him. Simple. Why would the creators admit as much. Its obvious based on the evidence that is what happened. Let it go. He isn't some completely original hero and like all the others was inspired by presaging myth and heroes.


Sentry is far different than Superman in terms of personality and powers unlike Hugo and Superman originally was. It is fine if they copies some elements of Superman and improved on it. Sentry is exciting and scary at the smart time. This is all subjective now who likes what with regards to personal preferences but the scans make it clear he was coped from this Hugo character. The proof has been posted. Who cares that Superman is like all the rest. I sure don't.

Other blatant similarities between Hugo Danner and Superman that eventually bear out (just not in the very first year of Superman's existence):

12. Hugo Danning was raised by kindly parents in a small town in rural Colorado, on a farm. Superman was raised also, by kindly parents in a small town in rural Kansas, on a farm. This part of Superman's history wasn't introduced until later as little attention was paid to the Kents and Clark's original home at first.

13. Hugo Danning drew great regret over having broken a fellow child's arm with his super-strength accidentally. His first serious accident with his super-strength as a child. This also happened in front of his only childhood crush. I also previously mentioned that he also eventually quit playing football because he accidentally killed a player on the field. Sound familiar? Yea, a young Superman broke Pete Ross' arm when they were playing football in front of Lana Lang. Clark never played football again after that.

14. A child Hugo Danning lifted up a broken supply wagon over an injured man who had been pinned underneath it. Sound familiar? Yeah, a young Clark Kent would do the same for his old Pa Kent with a broken tractor in many retellings of his childhood.

15. I already mentioned Hugo Danner experiencing wartime combat? That's because he fought the Germans in World War I. Rather extensively, I might add. He became a legend on the battlefield while retaining his anonymity. Superman eventually fought the Germans in World War II rather extensively in 1943 and thereafter. The difference in war campaigns being obviously explained by the fact that WWII hadn't even started when Hugo Danner was published in 1930.

16. Hugo Danner would retreat to North Canada to a personally built refuge for peace and quiet when he became disillusioned with humanity. Superman would eventually retreat to the Fortress of Solitude in the Antarctic for peace and respite also. Although we should all acknowledge that even though Hugo Danning had a retreat first, Siegel and Shuster ripped off Doc Savage for this one. After all, Doc Savage who was also published before Superman had his own named "Fortress of Solitude" first... except his was in the Arctic. Yea... Siegel and Shuster, super-original guys.

17. This author who wrote about the recent Man of Steel describes this next one best:
"Which is what makes reading Wylie's Gladiator alongside the latest Superman movie so strange. I don't know if Zach Snyder or his screenwriters ever heard of Hugo Danner or Philip Wylie. Who would inflict that book on themselves if they didn't have to? There's a good chance the screenwriters simply took a hard-eyed look at the loneliness of difference and came to some of the same conclusions as Wylie.

And yet. I can't help considering the dramatic moments where this dark center of the story finds expression.

There's the bullying of the hero by other children; the parental admonition to keep the powers secret; the inadvertent display of strength after a road accident; the misunderstandings from adults in the aftermath. And all of that giving rise to our wandering, melancholy-but-my-how-handsome bearded man on a boat.

If you think I'm only describing Snyder's movie, readjust. Everything just listed also happens in Gladiator.

'The offshore breeze stirred his dark hair. There was a growth of equally dark beard on his tanned jaw and cheek. Steely muscles bulged under his shirt.'

That's Hugo Danner at sea, partway through chapter ten."

DAMN ODG is smart AF. Exposing Superman as a sham. I hope Ahbi is crying as he's taking the scissors to his Superman pajamas. Batman Prime hasn't responded because he's in jail for domestic violence. Probably hit his wife he was so mad at ODG's ownage.

Disillusioned Superman fans for the lose.

ODG and good comic characters for the win.

Originally posted by Enzeru
There are many reasons and here are few of them:

- he is a boring character,
- it's impossible to relate to him,
- he has a lot of power, but he barely does anything with it,
- he gets worshipped by his writers, who give him feats without any reason,
- Silver Age,
- Supergirl, Superboy, Power Girl, Krypto, Superanimal League,
- HIS GOD DAMN FANBOYS!



There is something I actually really like about Killermovies and it's that the mod usually let you talk trash without instantly banning you.
I don't mind it at all, when someone insults me, because I do it to others as well and you Batman-Prime are an incredibly stupid person.

To say that without Superman we wouldn't have superhero comic books is such a ridiculously retarded statement, damn dude ... You act like Superman was the idea for the first superhero, while in fact he wasn't at all ... Superman was inspired by the Gladiator, who most likely was inspired by John Carter, who maybe was inspired by mythological characters.

But besides Superman we already had superheroes prior to that:

1. Zorro, a masked vigilante, who was carrying a sword and fighting against corruption. Batman is based on that guy.

2. The Shadow, a masked vigilante, who was carrying two guns and fighting against gangsters. Batman is also based on that guy.

3. The Phantom, a masked vigilante, who was carrying around various weapons and fighting against typical bad guys.

All of them had their adventures before Superman came out.
To say that without Superman we wouldn't have comics is ... as retarded as it gets, really. That's like saying that no one ever would have come up with the idea to try putting that stuff into newspaper and also that Stan Lee never would have created great characters.

Speaking of Stan Lee and great characters...
As I wrote it before: Superman, Supergirl, Superboy, Power Girl, Krypto and a bunch of Superanimals. Then also Flash and 4-5 other Flashes. The same applies for the Green Lanterns and so on.

Thank Marvel that we have some actual character variety in comic books. If it was for DC and Superman comics would be boring as hell.

There is NOTHING Superman did for comic books, besides giving us a insanely stupid Silver Age.

So you admit that your opinion is just based on hate and spite alone, good, that's a progress.

I don't think it's good to insult people. I know that is quite common. You are safe behind your screen and forget all your good manners. Most aggressive and insulting people tend to be really sad and pityful. They would never speak this way to one in person only if they feel safe behind their screen. It's a shame and one can pity those because life has to be hard and they have to suffer a lot in their daily life, if they are so full of hate, agression and rage.
I tend to laugh at it, pity them a bit and make some fun out of them, so they can rage more and might feel better. But you can't take them seriously.

If you would read the original post of mine, you would read also the words "most likely". We wouldn't have the Superhero comics we have now, that's most likely. Might be there would be different ones, might be no Superheros at all (lack of success), we will never know. What we know is the FACT that superman started it all.

Your opinion, and your hate, differ from my opinion and my interests, I like both, marvel and dc.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Why would the creators admit as much. Its obvious based on the evidence that is what happened. Let it go. He isn't some completely original hero and like all the others was inspired by presaging myth and heroes.


Sentry is far different than Superman in terms of personality and powers unlike Hugo and Superman originally was. It is fine if they copies some elements of Superman and improved on it. Sentry is exciting and scary at the smart time. This is all subjective now who likes what with regards to personal preferences but the scans make it clear he was coped from this Hugo character. The proof has been posted. Who cares that Superman is like all the rest. I sure don't.

They told us right away who inspired them. The idea of Superman came even before that, inspired by Nietzsche and Superman was, at his very first incarnation evil. That might be something you would like Quan^^.

Sentry is according to his creator a Superman Clone. He should know best.

Originally posted by Raisen
DAMN ODG is smart AF. Exposing Superman as a sham. I hope Ahbi is crying as he's taking the scissors to his Superman pajamas. Batman Prime hasn't responded because he's in jail for domestic violence. Probably hit his wife he was so mad at ODG's ownage.

Disillusioned Superman fans for the lose.

ODG and good comic characters for the win.

Nice try. But look at what he posted. Seriously, I can expand this list.

Superman is male, has eyes, blue eyes, hair, black hair, he has legs, he is male, he has muscles, he has parents, no... they are dead... no they are alive,... no he is an orphan... he wear a cape... no forget the cape and costume... he has a secret identity... no forget this.... he is strong, like hercules, i mean glads...

It's funny.

ODG said Superman is a ripoff, of Glads+Hercules+Samson+Moses+Jesus etc. Now he is just the ripoff of Glads only. el oh el.

So we see that Superman was evil at first, inspired by myth and literature, like Nietzsches Also sprach Zarathustra and was created as something new and unique. Sure you will find common traits from myth and history, that's the case with every hero, with good vs evil. But he was never designed as a Glads copy. Unlike Sentry or CM, who were direct copies, admitted so by their creators.

Deny it as much as you want, hate and rage, you won't change the facts and history.

BTW ODG if you go further and take the comics from the 1950-2013 you will sure as hell find even more pictures or deeds that are similar to Glads, or HErcules, or Samson... el oh el

Oh you took the Man of Steel movie? Well, Jerry Siegel and joe Shuster should be ashamed to have made this movie, how could they copy... wait a second!

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
BTW ODG if you go further and take the comics from the 1950-2013 you will sure as hell find even more pictures or deeds that are similar to Glads, or HErcules, or Samson... el oh el

Oh you took the Man of Steel movie? Well, Jerry Siegel and joe Shuster should be ashamed to have made this movie, how could they copy... wait a second!

You got bailed out bro?

Originally posted by Raisen
You got bailed out bro?
I work and can't always write at work because I have to... well work. You might try it once .

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I work and can't always write at work because I have to... well work. You might try it once .

I work bro. i'm part of the superman creative team. I've actually been really busy researching hugo danning books in an attempt to come up with new superman ideas.

Originally posted by Raisen
I work bro. i'm part of the superman creative team. I've actually been really busy researching hugo danning books in an attempt to come up with new superman ideas.

That's ok, you are not Jerry Siegel or Joe Shuster after all .

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So you admit that your opinion is just based on hate and spite alone, good, that's a progress.

I don't think it's good to insult people. I know that is quite common. You are safe behind your screen and forget all your good manners. Most aggressive and insulting people tend to be really sad and pityful. They would never speak this way to one in person only if they feel safe behind their screen. It's a shame and one can pity those because life has to be hard and they have to suffer a lot in their daily life, if they are so full of hate, agression and rage.
I tend to laugh at it, pity them a bit and make some fun out of them, so they can rage more and might feel better. But you can't take them seriously.

If you would read the original post of mine, you would read also the words "most likely". We wouldn't have the Superhero comics we have now, that's most likely. Might be there would be different ones, might be no Superheros at all (lack of success), we will never know. What we know is the FACT that superman started it all.

Your opinion, and your hate, differ from my opinion and my interests, I like both, marvel and dc.



They told us right away who inspired them. The idea of Superman came even before that, inspired by Nietzsche and Superman was, at his very first incarnation evil. That might be something you would like Quan^^.

Sentry is according to his creator a Superman Clone. He should know best.



Nice try. But look at what he posted. Seriously, I can expand this list.

Superman is male, has eyes, blue eyes, hair, black hair, he has legs, he is male, he has muscles, he has parents, no... they are dead... no they are alive,... no he is an orphan... he wear a cape... no forget the cape and costume... he has a secret identity... no forget this.... he is strong, like hercules, i mean glads...

It's funny.

ODG said Superman is a ripoff, of Glads+Hercules+Samson+Moses+Jesus etc. Now he is just the ripoff of Glads only. el oh el.

So we see that Superman was evil at first, inspired by myth and literature, like Nietzsches Also sprach Zarathustra and was created as something new and unique. Sure you will find common traits from myth and history, that's the case with every hero, with good vs evil. But he was never designed as a Glads copy. Unlike Sentry or CM, who were direct copies, admitted so by their creators.

Deny it as much as you want, hate and rage, you won't change the facts and history. Evidence has already been posted and your response are not filled with evidence. He was a blatant copy/rip off.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Evidence has already been posted and your response are not filled with evidence. He was a blatant copy/rip off.

Let him be. His whole world is crashing down around him. Could you imagine what your life would be if someone proved to you that Thanos is a Darkseid/Metron rip-off? i'm pretty sure you would off yourself.

Originally posted by Raisen
Let him be. His whole world is crashing down around him. Could you imagine what your life would be if someone proved to you that Thanos is a Darkseid/Metron rip-off? i'm pretty sure you would off yourself. Every idea is usually inspired by something before it. Thanos is an improvement and what Darkseid wishes to be when he grows up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Every idea is usually inspired by something before it. Thanos is an improvement and what Darkseid wishes to be when he grows up.

how can that be when thanos is metron and darkseid's love child? their intergalactic brokeback mountain offspring. product of darkseid's "Boom Tube".

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^Hugo was the first with Superstrength and he was the first with invulnerability? Cute. Because, what... this is all that you took from everything I just listed? It hasn't sunk in yet? All this sh1t, it was all found in one short novel published in 1930. All before a single issue of Superman had ever been published:
the same exact originally delineated four super-powers: leaping, super-strength, above train running super-speed, and below heavy artillery durability;
the same blatantly plagiarized "ants/grasshoppers" analogy for those super-powers;
the same manifestation of super-powers when a baby down to the wrecked furniture;
the same type of upbringing; including the
the same moral compasses to do good with your powers when the time is right;
the same hiding of those powers from the public even when publicly humiliated and bullied;
almost the same exact same childhood home setting;
the same childhood experiences and clumsy/tragic fumblings with powers growing up;
the same original true feats of super-strength;
the same random adventures -- and this sh1t is random... except when i isn't: like confronting selfish politicians, playing collegiate football, working in a carny strongman act, and bullying a bunch of corrupt officers/wardens over their torturing of prisoners, da phuck and this is just looking at the first 10 issues of Action Comics;
similar globe-spanning lifetime experiences, such as heavy involvement in world war;
the generally same frikkin appearance; and
other cosmetic similarities like man of iron/steel parallels, etc.
Somehow... in your warped mind, Batman-Prime, Philip Wylie's Gladiator and the featured Hugo Danning character published in 1930, had "minimal" impact on Superman who was published in 1938. Your own words. You had the gall to say that from the start? And you manage to gloss over all this by only acknowledging the super-strength and invulnerability? Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Nice try. But look at what he posted. Seriously, I can expand this list.

Superman is male, has eyes, blue eyes, hair, black hair, he has legs, he is male, he has muscles, he has parents, no... they are dead... no they are alive,... no he is an orphan... he wear a cape... no forget the cape and costume... he has a secret identity... no forget this.... he is strong, like hercules, i mean glads...

It's funny. N1gga, please. I'll accept your present inability to fashion a coherent response and drooling stupefaction over everything that's been laid out for what it is: you didn't know sh1t about Hugo Danner. And even if you did, you'd never admit how essentially tied he is to Siegel/Shuster's original Superman because you're butthurt that Siegel/Shuster could so blatantly rip off a single character on so many levels, in so many ways, both abstractly and minutely, bot implicitly and explicitly.

You really think you can utter the Greek legend of Heracles in the same breath as Hugo Danner? When did Heracles rip apart steel vault doors, lift cars over his head, be specified to run faster than a train or have below artillery-level durability, you mental midget? Originally posted by Batman-Prime
ODG said Superman is a ripoff, of Glads+Hercules+Samson+Moses+Jesus etc. Now he is just the ripoff of Glads only. el oh el.Not what I said. Superman was inspired and eventually incorporated Hercules, Samson, Moses and Jesus themes. But he was a blatant ripoff of Hugo Danner. One fact is not mutually exclusive of the other.

quan, don't cry

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So we see that Superman was evil at first, inspired by myth and literature, like Nietzsches Also sprach Zarathustra and was created as something new and unique. Sure you will find common traits from myth and history, that's the case with every hero, with good vs evil. But he was never designed as a Glads copy. Unlike Sentry or CM, who were direct copies, admitted so by their creators.You're really going to cite to Siegel/Shuster's unpublished and discarded, 1933 The Reign of the Superman cartoon of a bald, evil, posthuman with telepathy who gained his powers from an experimental serum who wanted to rule the world that has absolutely nothing in common with Superman as we know it? This is your argument now about how Siegel/Shuster made Superman so unique as the first and original superhero??????

Disregarding the fact that Siegel/Shuster completely abandoned this concept in all but name, you do know that Hugo Danner got his powers from an experimental serum and that in his later life, he was involved in a plot to take over the world with a race of supermen created from that serum because the world was populated by inferior men? And he was published in 1930, still before 1933.

No. No, I guess you wouldn't have known this. Otherwise you wouldn't have so blunderingly stomped your own foot into your mouth like this in such an uproarious fit of unintentional irony. Jesus H. Christ. Comedy gold. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Deny it as much as you want, hate and rage, you won't change the facts and history. Can so much irony reside in so diminutive an intellect?

Good golly, miss molly. And beyond all of this, we haven't even ennumerated how Siegel/Shuster also ripped off the iconic flying from Captain Marvel, Supergirl from Mary Marvel, the Fortress of Solitude from Doc Savage as previously mentioned, the retconned heavy gravity of Krypton explanation for powers from John Carter of Mars/Aaron Munro, etc.

The saddest thing? You probably also knew very little of early Superman and his exploits too. Which is why I spent my time getting that first published year of Superman scans for you. Call it a pre-emptive cutting off of ignorant assertions being flung about as excuses. I certainly didn't want to deal with moronic statements like flying and heat vision or sunlight source being what make the original Siegel/Shuster Superman unique. That sh1t wasn't even part of his character for years, in some cases, decades. And I could have explored more issues. But you don't need to be grateful that I didn't belabor the obvious any further than I already did.

No. The only thing I expect from you is golden silence, infrequently broken by the sounds of weak excuses, trollish deflections, ironic self-projections, and the pathetic wails of dashed expectations. That last piece is not my fault though. I told you to read about Hugo Danner before continuing this conversation way back when it still had the chance of being constructive and civil. Needless to say, you declined that invitation of your own accord.

P.S. Fun fact: there's a reason that Marvel's resident alien Superman ripoff, Kallark, has the super-hero codename of "Gladiator."

ODG brought it full circle with the Kallark reference.

And now we even have a personal first accomplishment on my part during my time here on KMC forums: I have a poster who changed his entire sig just to troll/bash me.

Hey, should I take a bow for the monumental butthurt necessary for someone to change their sig just to troll/bash another poster after being so thoroughly trashed in an argument over comic book minutiae?

I think I should. Why so mad, Butthurt-Prime? ermmhappy

Originally posted by Enzeru
2. Even before the "Gladiator" novel we had a different story about John Carter of Mars, a human from the Earth, who traveled to Mars, where he met Dejah Thoris and helped her in fights against the Green Men of Mars.
IIRC, this particular point was alluded to even in the recent MoS movie, wherein it's mentioned that Krypton's gravity was much higher than Earth's.

That gravity thing has always been one of my favorite sources for when researching how Superman's powers work from a semi-realistic perspective, but of course in a fictional context.

Speaking of which, @OneDumbG0: Did you note down the parallels that were often drawn based on this particular gravity based physical superiority between Superman and John Carter? The early Superman character had so many inspirations from other previously existing characters, it's not even funny.

ODG I could take the time and find you most if not all of those references, like blue eyes, dakr hair, invulnerability (Achilles, ok there were no bullets back then, you are not aware of this but well) superstrength, the childsaving (Moses) etc in myth and lore. Strength Hercules, a hint. You could also do the same. I know your opinion, which is nothing more, I see your hate and rage, witch is cute but you still can't get over the fact that, people who are creative and get inspired by the same sources could come with a similar (in a few traits) charakter without directly copying them. You don't like it, you can't imagine it. You could make also a list as long, no far longer with traits that seperate Superman from Glads and you could take most of your examples from myth and lore and see that they were before that.

Ok Superman lifts a car, Hercules lifts a lion or the world. Well, tell you something, Hercules was created before there were cars . You didn't know this, I'm sure but still. If you live in modern times you use more common examples. A car is a good way to show someones strength, that's nothing unique nor is it very creative, most would show strength this way back then. I didn't expect your education to be so low but well.

I brought the evil Superman because of Nietzsche and because you can see on this example that Siegel and Schuster were inspired by many sources and worked their way to the original Superman over the years. The way he is, with all that made him unique. You will never grasp it, maybe because you can't understand simple logic and creativity, maybe because you hate too much. Who cares. Your opinion will stay a cute one and the facts are still visible to anyone who can read and think. Oh and who takes Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster word over yours, which would mean, like everybody.
If you would be half as smart as you wished you could be, you would find at least two characters Superman had more in common from the start then he had with Glads. Things Glads didn't have btw.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
IIRC, this particular point was alluded to even in the recent MoS movie, wherein it's mentioned that Krypton's gravity was much higher than Earth's.

That gravity thing has always been one of my favorite sources for when researching how Superman's powers work from a semi-realistic perspective, but of course in a fictional context.

Speaking of which, @OneDumbG0: Did you note down the parallels that were often drawn based on this particular gravity based physical superiority between Superman and John Carter? The early Superman character had so many inspirations from other previously existing characters, it's not even funny. I mentioned it in passing as John Carter was the first to use that plot device explanation way back in 1918 to explain why he was so strong on Mars. More relevantly and contemporaneously speaking, Aaron Munro was a fictional character from 1934 from another planet with much heavier gravity and therefore was much stronger on Earth as a result.

Needless to say, if you bother to trace this conversation back to its humble beginnings in this thread a few pages back, Hugo Danning and Aaron Munro are the two characters I originally focused on who were directly ripped off by Siegel and Shuster.

Obviously as more retcons were added, the Superman character became quite prone to directly ripping off other characters like Captain Marvel and Doc Savage. And something like this was a retcon. Superman originally only had super-powers because his race had evolved that way over millennia -- it wasn't until a full year later that they added the heavier gravity thing.

Either way, Superman ripped the most off from Hugo Danning. And it's pretty shockingly obvious.

Originally posted by ODG
And now we even have a personal first accomplishment on my part during my time here on KMC forums: I have a poster who changed his entire sig just to troll/bash me.

Hey, should I take a bow for the monumental butthurt necessary for someone to change their sig just to troll/bash another poster after being so thoroughly trashed in an argument over comic book minutiae?

I think I should. Why so mad, Butthurt-Prime? ermmhappy

If I have a stalker and a fan I should reward him with my attention and this was one of the most hilarious things you ever wrote about you, a good confession^^.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
IIRC, this particular point was alluded to even in the recent MoS movie, wherein it's mentioned that Krypton's gravity was much higher than Earth's.

That gravity thing has always been one of my favorite sources for when researching how Superman's powers work from a semi-realistic perspective, but of course in a fictional context.

Speaking of which, @OneDumbG0: Did you note down the parallels that were often drawn based on this particular gravity based physical superiority between Superman and John Carter? The early Superman character had so many inspirations from other previously existing characters, it's not even funny.

So we see, there are a lot of possible characters who could have or have inspired Superman, he isn't a rip off of a single character, he is the first Superhero, inspired by enough sources to make him unique .
Thanks.

That's how creativity works, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars. Don't copy a single sources, get inspired and create something new and unique.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So we see, there are a lot of possible characters who could have or have inspired Superman, he isn't a rip off of a single character, he is the first Superhero, inspired by enough sources to make him unique .
Thanks.

That's how creativity works, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars. Don't copy a single sources, get inspired and create something new and unique.
I disagree. The evidence that both OneDumbG0 and Enzeru have posted on previous pages clearly tells me that Superman was a rip-off. Of course if you still want to believe that he's an original, then to each his own. Agree to disagree here.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I disagree. The evidence that both OneDumbG0 and Enzeru have posted on previous pages clearly tells me that Superman was a rip-off. Of course if you still want to believe that he's an original, then to each his own. Agree to disagree here.

Sure, agree to disagree^^. Though it would interest me what you think about Hercules, Samsons, also sprach Zarathustra, Moses and Jesus, regarding Superman.

Guys... Topic?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
ODG I could take the time and find you most if not all of those references, I'm not surprised you're in state of dumbfounded silence right now. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I brought the evil Superman because of Nietzsche and because you can see on this example that Siegel and Schuster were inspired by many sources and worked their way to the original Superman over the years. You incomparable dufus, Siegel/Shuster arguably ripped off the whole experimental serum-induced, posthuman, megalomaniacal, would-be world conquerer from Hugo Danning also. I'm sorry to spring that revelation onto you like this, but I made the wrong assumption that you also depend on a bald, evil, serum-based telepathic, would-be world conqueror as part of what makes the original superhero, Superman, unique.

Like... my criticism has been biting at times, but why would I assume you would argue something so stupid and hilariously off-based, yet somehow still evidence of more Hugo Danner motifs being ripped off? I literally couldn't have consciously planned that any better. Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The way he is, with all that made him unique. You will never grasp it, maybe because you can't understand simple logic and creativity, maybe because you hate too much. Who cares. Your opinion will stay a cute one Maybe because all of Superman's most famous earlier feats were taken right from Hugo Danning's pages? Or that Superman had the same exact number of powers as Hugo Danning? Not only that, but his running speed (above trains) and durability (below artillery) was also exactly the same? Or that the description of his various superpowers was also directly lifted nearly word-by-word? Or that half his adventures in his first year were pulled? Or that his parental upbringing, his childhood home, his moral compass, were also mirrored in Hugo Danning's pages? Or that his foppish weakling persona and traumatic experiences with his powers during childhood were almost exactly the same? Or his friggin appearance and his trademark descriptive names mirrored Hugo Danning's? Originally posted by Batman-Prime
and the facts are still visible to anyone who can read and think. Yeah, I made sure of that. kinda Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Oh and who takes Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster word over yours, which would mean, like everybody.
If you would be half as smart as you wished you could be, you would find at least two characters Superman had more in common from the start then he had with Glads. Things Glads didn't have btw. http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Tyrion+Lannister.+I+love+this+guy_1fb1a3_4519108.jpg

C'mon, bro. Let's deal with facts. Show me these two other earlier characters who had more in common from the start then he had with the character from Gladiator. We're gonna need superpowers (the original ones, not the ones Superman eventually developed decades later, be smart), word-by-word descriptions, specific feats, specific adventures, mirroring childhood traumas and upbringings, and specific character foibles, not the least of which including similar appearance. And Hugo Danner was never named, "Gladiator," you nunce. That's just the name of the book, it wasn't his codename. Christ.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys... Topic?

Superman solos. Sry.