Ultraman Vs Brutale (Earth 2 Superman)

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Golgo13
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vs

http://i1245.photobucket.com/albums/gg587/golgi7777/E2_zps8de27614.jpg

8swords
ultraman stomps, "brutale" doesnt have a chance

Golgo13
How goes this, Galan?

Galan007
I'd like to think Ulty wins, but Brutale is utterly stomping EVERYONE on Earth 2 right now(inc. Steppenwolf and Fate.)

Undecided, atm.

Batman-Prime
How come that the evil versions of Superman are so much above heralds while the original gets beaten monthly... Ultraman, Brutale, SBP...

zopzop
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
How come that the evil versions of Superman are so much above heralds while the original gets beaten monthly... Ultraman, Brutale, SBP...
Because he's not a psychopath and he holds back.

Superman is DC's true High Herald. The rest (BA, CM, etc..) are just posers.

Cogito
Originally posted by Galan007
I'd like to think Ulty wins, but Brutale is utterly stomping EVERYONE on Earth 2 right now(inc. Steppenwolf and Fate.)

Undecided, atm.

He literally curbstomped Fate. Granted Fate has had the helmet for like, 5 minutes, and certainly doesn't have any confidence, but still thumb up If Darkseid is in fact more powerful (or significantly more powerful) than what we've seen from him, it's definitely a good start towards re-establishing Darkseid as a legit powerhouse.

He'll most likely only be beaten by plot device.

Pillow Biter
In all likelihood, these two are evenly matched and equally powerful. However, it remains to be confirmed that CSA members are equal to their Earth 1 counterparts. Also, it is possible Earth 2 Superman had some kind of power up.

Various in-comics explanations (holding back more than other guys, dynamic powers, mental blocks, etc.) have been tacked on to explain the great variety in power levels of Superman portrayals. But they don't really cover it. The truth is that Superman is the kind of guy perfectly suited to being the one hero that can dominate all the others. So when you want to write a story like that, you use him. On the other hand, that kind of power level is inconvenient in a most other stories. So you tone him down.

Khazra Reborn
They seem pretty evenly matched relatively speaking, but Earth 2 Supes has dat Omega Effect.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
They seem pretty evenly matched relatively speaking, but Earth 2 Supes has dat Omega Effect.

Has he even used it, though? Can't remember.

Galan007
Originally posted by Golgo13
Has he even used it, though? Can't remember. Yeah, he's used it a few times:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16951094_1.jpg

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16951100_2.jpg

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16951104_3.jpg

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16951109_4.jpg


Although this ability was initially referred to as "Apokolips death-beams" when the heroes first encountered Brutaal(first scan), this was prior to the revelation that he is really Superman-- thus they likely wouldn't even have considered heat-vision as an option. That said, E2 Alan tanked the attack when he wasn't even prepared for it(second scan), so I'm thinking it is just HV with an Apokoliptian twist. /shrug


Oh and aside from owning Steppenwolf and Fate, Brutaal also shit-stomped E2 Alan and Atom. Dude is a legit powerhouse.

carver9
Don't know how close Superman and Brutal are or the age difference but Superman is learning new things with his heat vision so you might be right...it could be a versatile way of using his heat vision.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/albums/n638/carver9/?action=view&current=snapshot11_zps8ac83371.jpg

http://s1143.photobucket.com/albums/n638/carver9/?action=view&current=snapshot12_zps045fda18.jpg

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Don't know how close Superman and Brutal are or the age difference but Superman is learning new things with his heat vision so you might be right...it could be a versatile way of using his heat vision.

http://s1143.photobucket.com/albums/n638/carver9/?action=view&current=snapshot11_zps8ac83371.jpg

http://s1143.photobucket.com/albums/n638/carver9/?action=view&current=snapshot12_zps045fda18.jpg

What new things? Firing his heat vision as pulses rather than beams?

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
What new things? Firing his heat vision as pulses rather than beams?

He didn't even know he could do that per the comic. He just learned that from Wraith.

Khazra Reborn
It looked pretty damn Omega Effecty to me, plus didn't he kill Steppenwolf with it?

Galan007
Brutaal killed Steppenwolf by karate-chopping him in half, while HV'ing both halves:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16954448_Earth-2-016-2013-Digital-Nahga-Empire-14.jpg

Khazra Reborn
Well, never mind that then.

Cogito
Originally posted by Galan007
Brutaal killed Steppenwolf by karate-chopping him in half, while HV'ing both halves:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16954448_Earth-2-016-2013-Digital-Nahga-Empire-14.jpg

I did that once.

***** had it coming mad

maxivitopowe
That looked brutal... Ah I get it now

Rao Kal El
This superman is the same superman who got defeated by the parademond on earth 2.

Earth 1 superman did not sucumbed to the parademons ans was able to match pysically DS.

So I am not sure if this earth 2 superman is as powerful as earth 1 superman.

Or if earth 1 superman is not as brutal as earth 2 superman.

There are too many variables.

I think Ultraman wins this after a good fight.

carver9
How do you know if the Parademons has the same power level on each earth? The one that faced Earth 2 Supes might be more powerful.

Rao Kal El
They are the same minions of Darkseid.

Darkseid #1 comic is basically the same force invading each earth in each universe

carver9
Look at the way they approached both Supermen though. One was prepped, the other was an ambush. You can't compare both showings as an indication on how a fight between the two would go imo.

Galan007
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
This superman is the same superman who got defeated by the parademond on earth 2. IF that is the same Superman, then he's definitely got some Apokoliptian enhancements holding him together now, because he was blown to smithereens by the bomb the Parademons placed on him.

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by Galan007
IF that is the same Superman, then he's definitely got some Apokoliptian enhancements holding him together now, because he was blown to smithereens by the bomb the Parademons placed on him.

I believe he is, remember in earth 2. #1 superman wows to kill stephenwolf?

And then is mentioned that the missing eath 2 superman retuned but as darkseids herald.

On ds#1 the art gives the idea of ds experimenting wiith the heroes he has defeated.

Either is the same superman or a version of a superman that has already been defeated by ds.

Imo

deathslash
Originally posted by Galan007
IF that is the same Superman, then he's definitely got some Apokoliptian enhancements holding him together now, because he was blown to smithereens by the bomb the Parademons placed on him. He wasn't blown to smithereens. I vaguely remember his body falling to the ground after the explosion and wasn't Darkseid holding his corpse in his own book?

Rao Kal El
Originally posted by carver9
Look at the way they approached both Supermen though. One was prepped, the other was an ambush. You can't compare both showings as an indication on how a fight between the two would go imo.

thumb up

Galan007
Originally posted by deathslash
He wasn't blown to smithereens. I vaguely remember his body falling to the ground after the explosion and wasn't Darkseid holding his corpse in his own book? It was a figure of speech. Anyway, I believe the bomb nearly killed E2 Superman, but Darkseid kept him alive, brainwashed him, and amplified his powers with Apokoliptian tech.

And yes, Darkseid was attempting to interrogate E2 Superman's unconscious body during his mini:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16954569_1.jpg

deathslash
Originally posted by Galan007
It was a figure of speech. Anyway, I believe the bomb nearly killed E2 Superman, but Darkseid kept him alive, brainwashed him, and amplified his powers with Apokoliptian tech.

And yes, Darkseid was attempting to interrogate E2 Superman's unconscious body during his mini:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16954569_1.jpg Sorry, didn't really know if you were using a figure of speech or being completely serious. Wouldn't it be great if Darkseid used his own raw power to amp superman and brainwashed him with his own power?

Galan007
It would be great-- but judging by the last page, it looks like tech definitely plays a part in his creations:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16954919_20.jpg
Either way, they're gearing Darkseid for something BIG. Can't wait.

Reflassshh
those are all the supermen he killed across the multiverse? just wow. so then the multiverse is infinite again?

Galan007
DC is an omniverse now. It is quite infinite.

deathslash
Originally posted by Galan007
DC is an omniverse now. It is quite infinite. Did you just change your avatar to Infinity Man?

Khazra Reborn
I hope Darkseid is what has the CSA shitting themselves and destroyed Earth 3, that would be awesome.

deathslash
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I hope Darkseid is what has the CSA shitting themselves and destroyed Earth 3, that would be awesome. indeed. It has already been more or less confirmed that Darkseid took over and destroyed earth 3

Golgo13
I dont think its darkseid.

ares834
What else would it be? We even see the distinctive "Boom" of a boom tube IIRC.

Yamcha
Brutale is pretty good, but I don't see him walking all over Jimmy Olsen as easy as Ultraman did.

The K-Nite King's got this fight in the bag.

deathslash
Originally posted by Yamcha
Brutale is pretty good, but I don't see him walking all over Jimmy Olsen as easy as Ultraman did.

The K-Nite King's got this fight in the bag. Jimmy Olsen? Did you mean to say Black Adam? Any way, Brutaal oneshot killed Steppenwolf, curbstomped Dr. Fate, and beat down Green Lantern. Brutaal has this

Zack Fair
Originally posted by Yamcha
Brutale is pretty good, but I don't see him walking all over Jimmy Olsen as easy as Ultraman did.

The K-Nite King's got this fight in the bag. Originally posted by Zack Fair
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Yamcha
Originally posted by deathslash
Jimmy Olsen? Did you mean to say Black Adam? Any way, Brutaal oneshot killed Steppenwolf, curbstomped Dr. Fate, and beat down Green Lantern. Brutaal has this Nah man, Jimmy Olsen! I guarantee when Brutale encountered Jimmy poor Olsen let his guard down cause Brutale IS Superman, Poor Jimmy was essentially mindf*cked :/, "*bleep bleep* Oh I hope Superman hears this!" "Oh Jimmy..I do.." Boom dead. Against Ultraman he was a stone wall, totally got trampled on.

Pillow Biter
I had noticed the weird Heat Vision too. I think there is a lot of evidence that Earth 2 Superman has been modified in someways, and perhaps amped physically even. That being said, nothing he has done is outside of the range of power levels that Superman has sometimes been shown at. But the Earth 2 writer may feel that normal Superman is not powerful enough to do this without being amped.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
Jimmy Olsen? Did you mean to say Black Adam? Any way, Brutaal oneshot killed Steppenwolf, curbstomped Dr. Fate, and beat down Green Lantern. Brutaal has this
Reported for lowballing Jimmy Olsen.

mad

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
Reported for lowballing Jimmy Olsen.

mad Not lowballing, just clarifying

deathslash
Originally posted by Yamcha
Nah man, Jimmy Olsen! I guarantee when Brutale encountered Jimmy poor Olsen let his guard down cause Brutale IS Superman, Poor Jimmy was essentially mindf*cked :/, "*bleep bleep* Oh I hope Superman hears this!" "Oh Jimmy..I do.." Boom dead. Against Ultraman he was a stone wall, totally got trampled on. It was pretty funny to see the look on his face when he got his hand broken. I still can't figure out how he activated his watch with a broken hand.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deathslash
Not lowballing, just clarifying
Just joking brah.

deathslash
Originally posted by abhilegend
Just joking brah. I knew that shifty

Galan007
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I hope Darkseid is what has the CSA shitting themselves and destroyed Earth 3, that would be awesome. thumb up That was certainly the implication, as we saw a boom tube open up on earth 3, followed by narration from Ultraman stating "HE" devastated the planet:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16968774_641700.jpg
"BOOOOM" always implies the arrival(or exit) of the New Gods.

Further proof that Darkseid destroyed earth 3(and krypton 3) can be found here:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16968811_15.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16968812_16.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16968813_17.jpg
He's hopping from planet to planet--universe to universe--destroying ANY superpowered beings he encounters, as well as their respective worlds.

carver9
Well, Krypton was brought up. Could be Brainiac.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by carver9
Well, Krypton was brought up. Could be Brainiac.

Don't pretend like you know Superman lingo.

carver9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Don't pretend like you know Superman lingo.

Lol.

Galan007
Originally posted by carver9
Well, Krypton was brought up. Could be Brainiac. You think it's Brainiac...Using a boom tube...When we already know Darkseid is universe/planet-hopping, and decimating ALL in his path? Yeah, I'll go ahead and disagree with ya there.

carver9
Originally posted by Galan007
You think it's Brainiac...Using a boom tube...When we already know Darkseid is universe/planet-hopping, and decimating ALL in his path? Yeah, I'll go ahead and disagree with ya there.

Why would Darkseid be on Krypton?

Galan007
Do you read any of the scans I post? The reason Darkseid is planet/universe-hopping is because he is chasing Kaiyo across the omniverse. Wherever she teleports, Darkseid follows-- and she teleports to worlds powerful enough to stand against Darkseid. In turn, he destroys the beings(and worlds) he encounters. She leads him on this cosmic chase solely because she is 'the chaos bringer' of the New Gods, and likes phucking with Darkseid.

Here's the scan again...
"So when I breach realities, I instinctively find the worlds that will give him the most trouble. But world after world, he finds... And destroys.":
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16968813/17.jpg.html

Khazra Reborn
Originally posted by Galan007
thumb up That was certainly the implication, as we saw a boom tube open up on earth 3, followed by narration from Ultraman stating "HE" devastated the planet:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16968774_641700.jpg
"BOOOOM" always implies the arrival(or exit) of the New Gods.

Further proof that Darkseid destroyed earth 3(and krypton 3) can be found here:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16968811_15.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16968812_16.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16968813_17.jpg
He's hopping from planet to planet--universe to universe--destroying ANY superpowered beings he encounters, as well as their respective worlds.

I agree, it definitely has been screaming that Darkseid is behind it all, ever since his motives were made clear in his villains month one shot. My only concern is they're making it so obvious. I'm worried that DC is going to go "Psyche! The Joker(or any over used A list villain) just stole a boom tube!" Darkseid needs to be shot back to the top of the food chain, as per his design.

Batman-Prime
Let's hope that Darkseid comes back and brings Brutal with him, so that Ultraman is forced to fight him, before Forever Evil ends^^.

-Pr-
So Darkseid was looking for this Kaiyo person when he attacked the Earth in the first run of JL?

Does this mean that this League is the first one to have ever stopped him?

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Let's hope that Darkseid comes back and brings Brutal with him, so that Ultraman is forced to fight him, before Forever Evil ends^^.
Dat shiet would be nutzz!

deathslash
Originally posted by -Pr-
So Darkseid was looking for this Kaiyo person when he attacked the Earth in the first run of JL?

Does this mean that this League is the first one to have ever stopped him? He wasn't really chasing her. In the end of his book, he reveiled that he was letting her lead him to other realities so that he could conquer them.

Yes this jla was the only one ever to defeat him and they only managed to do so through bfr.

Galan007
Originally posted by -Pr-
So Darkseid was looking for this Kaiyo person when he attacked the Earth in the first run of JL?

Does this mean that this League is the first one to have ever stopped him? Yes and yes.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16972446_17.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16972447_18.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16972448_19.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16972449_20.jpg

-Pr-
Originally posted by deathslash
He wasn't really chasing her. In the end of his book, he reveiled that he was letting her lead him to other realities so that he could conquer them.

Yes this jla was the only one ever to defeat him and they only managed to do so through bfr.

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes and yes.

http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16972446_17.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16972447_18.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16972448_19.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16972449_20.jpg

Which means this JL, and this Superman, is the most powerful he's come across. vin

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by -Pr-
Which means this JL, and this Superman, is the most powerful he's come across. vin

Makes sense. Since Ultraman failed against DS invading his earth and Brutal too, that means that Superman > Brutal and Ultraman! No wonder they took him out with Kryptonite at first. ^^

deathslash
Originally posted by -Pr-
Which means this JL, and this Superman, is the most powerful he's come across. vin Only in the sense that they are the only ones that could hold him off long enough to bfr him. You have to remember that in some realities there isn't a JL and some would be weaker than others. Just look at Earth 2, the only superheroes on their planet when Darkseid invaded were Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Huntress, and Powergirl. That sort of team would clearly be weaker than a team comprised of Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Flash, and Cyborg.

-Pr-
Originally posted by deathslash
Only in the sense that they are the only ones that could hold him off long enough to bfr him. You have to remember that in some realities there isn't a JL and some would be weaker than others. Just look at Earth 2, the only superheroes on their planet when Darkseid invaded were Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Huntress, and Powergirl. That sort of team would clearly be weaker than a team comprised of Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Flash, and Cyborg.

Don't ruin this for me.

Galan007
Originally posted by deathslash
Only in the sense that they are the only ones that could hold him off long enough to bfr him. You have to remember that in some realities there isn't a JL and some would be weaker than others. Just look at Earth 2, the only superheroes on their planet when Darkseid invaded were Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Huntress, and Powergirl. That sort of team would clearly be weaker than a team comprised of Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Flash, and Cyborg. Exactly.

Pillow Biter
It stands repeating that Brutale is clearly a MODIFIED Superman. So without knowing more, it is premature to equate his power with regular Superman.

deathslash
Originally posted by -Pr-
Don't ruin this for me. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I ruin the moment for you? evil face

-Pr-
Originally posted by deathslash
Oh, I'm sorry. Did I ruin the moment for you? evil face

laughing out loud

Honestly, you are right. That said, there's still the whole concept and idea that this is the "main" Earth, with the best of everything. The best Superman, the best Batman and so on and so forth.

They're supposed to provide Darkseid with his biggest challenge regardless of what he's faced before.

Galan007
^ Darkseid KO'd the 'best' Superman with a single blast of his OV, and was physically wrecking the entire League(Supes included) until they managed to push him back through the BT. I only mention this because it never sunk in how phucking uber Darkseid was portrayed until I reread the pertinent issues a while back. He was an absolute beast.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Darkseid KO'd the 'best' Superman with a single blast of his OV, and was physically wrecking the entire League(Supes included) until they managed to push him back through the BT. I only mention this because it never sunk in how phucking uber Darkseid was portrayed until I reread the pertinent issues a while back. He was an absolute beast.

The same Superman that, briefly, physically stalemated him. Plus, there's always round 2.

Now stop being a spoil-sport. sneer

Galan007
laughing out loud

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by -Pr-
laughing out loud

Honestly, you are right. That said, there's still the whole concept and idea that this is the "main" Earth, with the best of everything. The best Superman, the best Batman and so on and so forth.

They're supposed to provide Darkseid with his biggest challenge regardless of what he's faced before. Didn't the "best" Superman get embarrassed by Earth 2 Superman. Who is now a Darkseid slave

-Pr-
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Didn't the "best" Superman get embarrassed by Earth 2 Superman. Who is now a Darkseid slave

?

SquallX
Hold up, i thought Darkseid came to Earth looking for his daughter?

Said daughter was captured by Amanda's organization and escaped in Vibes #5 or 6?

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by -Pr-
? SuperPak and Pakman

Earth 2 Superman was way above "I can only jump" Superman.

ShadowFyre
How many supermen are there? Whats the point of the rest of DC if theres hundreds of supermen flying around beatin the shit out of everyone? That said, brutale wins. Better name.

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
How many supermen are there? Whats the point of the rest of DC if theres hundreds of supermen flying around beatin the shit out of everyone? That said, brutale wins. Better name. A lot.

Basically, as I understand it, Main Superman isn't the strongest, but he's the most heroic, has the best in universe standing with other characters, and other shit.

He's got the backup, the will to get things done, and the power. Other Superman may be exactly like Superman in every way, but if their universe is ****ed, then he might not live as long. Or he becomes evil, etc.

Basically, they might be Superman, but not everything is the same. Main Superman however has everything going for him.

Or because he's main Superman and you can't kill him off is also acceptable.

ShadowFyre
I think the last part nailed it on the head. And as for this thread then...Superman wins.

basilisk
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
How come that the evil versions of Superman are so much above heralds while the original gets beaten monthly... Ultraman, Brutale, SBP...

Sometimes it feels like every other Superman comic I look at these days he's getting beaten down by somebody or something - Wraith, Aquaman's guy, Russian army bullets, sonic army weapons, kryptonite, psi war, etc. And the other issues I look at he's lifting planetary weights or being called the most powerful being on earth.

I'm starting to wish DC made him a bit more uber.

And I actually miss the personality of the preboot Superman.


Anyway, Brutale for now.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
SuperPak and Pakman

Earth 2 Superman was way above "I can only jump" Superman.

**** that book, and **** Pak in his ****ing face.

Diesldude
Darkseid hasn't been shown to defeat superman one on one. All of his attacks have been sneaky behind the confines of his portal. Also it was superman's first encounter with him and was/is unaware of DS's power level. Round 2 will go to superman.

Brutale wins this if they fight under a yellow sun. Will take longer for brutale to run out of juice.

Galan007
^ I disagree.

When Darkseid initially appeared, he owned Superman and the League with, literally, a gesture:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16990035_Justice_League_2011-_-_Origin_v1-091.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16990037_Justice_League_2011-_-_Origin_v1-092.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16990043_Justice_League_2011-_-_Origin_v1-097.jpg

One of his Omega Beams(not the standard two) also owned Superman:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16990047_Justice_League_2011-_-_Origin_v1-101.jpg

And just before getting pushed back through the boom tube, Darkseid definitely appeared to be overpowering Superman and the League:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16990048_Justice_League_2011-_-_Origin_v1-129.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16990049_Justice_League_2011-_-_Origin_v1-130.jpg


By all accounts, Darkseid was portrayed well beyond Superman... Well beyond any power on earth, really.

-Pr-
Darkseid should be more powerful than Superman in general, imo.

That said, I honestly believe Superman should be the only hero that comes close to challenging him in a fight. And that he should challenge him at least somewhat.

Galan007
As his one-shot described: Superman did possess enough power to rival Darkseid-- most Supermen throughout the omniverse do, in fact(inc. E2 Supes.) That's why 'seid seems to enjoy killing Supermen in particular-- he doesn't like that so many beings exist who can actually challenge him.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Galan007
As his one-shot described: Superman did possess enough power to rival Darkseid-- most Supermen throughout the omniverse do, in fact(inc. E2 Supes.) That's why 'seid seems to enjoy killing Supermen in particular-- he doesn't like that so many beings exist who can actually challenge him.

And that sounds totally good to me.

carver9
They should make it where no one outside of a beastly team should be capable of hanging with Darkseid. The guy is suppose to be the most powerful being in the Universe...at least one of the most powerful being in the Universe. A single character should not be able to hang with him imo. During the PC days, it was like that, dont know why it is so difficult to put him back at those levels again.

Galan007
A single character hasn't been able to hang with him in the DCnU. thumb up

Uriel005
Waiting for the typical "This looks like a job for Superman" to see how they are really going to place Darkseid. You all know its coming, its just a matter of how well Darkseid does as it goes down that will place him in the rankings. Honestly I'm worried now more than ever how Darkseid is going to do. Maybe not in the next fight he has with superman which might be some plot oriented withdrawal or something to that extent but the beat down Darkseid will probably receive at some later date. His build up has been amazing and I'm really hoping I don't get let down in some 4 panel superman sun-amp blood-rage murderstomp...

-Pr-
Originally posted by Galan007
A single character hasn't been able to hang with him in the DCnU. thumb up

Preboot, it was mostly the same bar Orion for the most part, iirc.

He wasn't some weak feeb back then.

DarkSaint85
Ah, but what if the CSA and Luthor's villains have to team up to fight Darkseid?

Galan007
That would be...eh...Awesome!

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
Preboot, it was mostly the same bar Orion for the most part, iirc.

He wasn't some weak feeb back then.

Orion and Superman has done well against him/beat him. Not saying its a bad showing for the character...I think I just look at Darkseid as this supposed unstoppable force.

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by -Pr-
Darkseid should be more powerful than Superman in general, imo.

That said, I honestly believe Superman should be the only hero that comes close to challenging him in a fight. And that he should challenge him at least somewhat.

Yeah, Superman as a nexus being should be the only one capable to hang out with DS. And Orion if it's still his destiny. Every other Herald should be destroyed with ease.

deathslash
Originally posted by carver9
They should make it where no one outside of a beastly team should be capable of hanging with Darkseid. The guy is suppose to be the most powerful being in the Universe...at least one of the most powerful being in the Universe. A single character should not be able to hang with him imo. During the PC days, it was like that, dont know why it is so difficult to put him back at those levels again. yep, I love how they are building up Darkseid(They basically put him back at his old team wrecker status) and all of the New Gods to beastly levels. I just wish that they hadn't have killed Steppenwolf (he was quickly becoming one of my favorite villains), they pulled a total Cat-man with him (he used to be a joke, and then they made him a badass team killer).

-Pr-
Originally posted by carver9
Orion and Superman has done well against him/beat him. Not saying its a bad showing for the character...I think I just look at Darkseid as this supposed unstoppable force.

Orion is a special case, so he doesn't count.

Without help, Darkseid beats Superman far more than the other way around. Superman beat him once, MAYBE twice in twenty years. All of Superman's most famous wins, he had help or PIS.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yeah, Superman as a nexus being should be the only one capable to hang out with DS. And Orion if it's still his destiny. Every other Herald should be destroyed with ease.

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emporerpants
Looking forward to Supes and Darkseid's first real dragged out slugfest. smile

Uriel005
Originally posted by emporerpants
Looking forward to Supes and Darkseid's first real dragged out slugfest. smile Like I said really hoping it doesn't turn into 4 panels of "This is a job for Superman" then watch 2 of those panels be sun amp. Followed by Angry-Face Superman. Followed by KO Planet shattering punch.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Originally posted by Galan007
^ I disagree.

When Darkseid initially appeared, he owned Superman and the League with, literally, a gesture:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16990035_Justice_League_2011-_-_Origin_v1-091.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16990037_Justice_League_2011-_-_Origin_v1-092.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16990043_Justice_League_2011-_-_Origin_v1-097.jpg

One of his Omega Beams(not the standard two) also owned Superman:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16990047_Justice_League_2011-_-_Origin_v1-101.jpg

And just before getting pushed back through the boom tube, Darkseid definitely appeared to be overpowering Superman and the League:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16990048_Justice_League_2011-_-_Origin_v1-129.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16990049_Justice_League_2011-_-_Origin_v1-130.jpg


By all accounts, Darkseid was portrayed well beyond Superman... Well beyond any power on earth, really.

Damn, his Omega Beam completely tore through Superman. Ouch, I didn't remember that part.

Flash is more durable then Superman. Even Batman survived an attack that temporarily knocked out Superman. The only reason Clark got up before Aquaman was because he was furthest from Darkseid. excellent

deathslash
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Flash is more durable then Superman. Even Batman survived an attack that temporarily knocked out Superman. The only reason Clark got up before Aquaman was because he was furthest from Darkseid. excellent Although it looks like he'd been hit, we don't know for a fact that Flash didn't dodge (or vibrate through) the attack. What do you expect, it's Batman we're talking about.

celeyhyga17
Still taking Ultraman for now.. Especially if he has a fresh line of coc... err Kryptonite..

Sniff.. Tank hv and punches.. Crush face with bare hand until teeth pop out.

emporerpants
I'll say Ultraman...although if Earth 2 Supes figures out that Sun hurts Ultraman, that could be a deciding factor. As it stands though, Ultraman wins by the skin of his teeth.

Batman-Prime
DS will send Brutale to earth, he will fight Ultraman, they will be pretty even till SBP comes back and kills them to death!

Branlor Swift
The sad thing is that that's probably the most accurate prediction of this event considering Johns' love for Prime

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The only reason Clark got up before Aquaman was because he was furthest from Darkseid. excellent

If it were Thor he would've died!

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The sad thing is that that's probably the most accurate prediction of this event considering Johns' love for Prime

Would it upset you, if I told you that I'm Johns and just here from time to time to troll you all?

Branlor Swift
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Would it upset you, if I told you that I'm Johns and just here from time to time to troll you all? That wouldn't change anything.

Batman-Prime
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
That wouldn't change anything.

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