Originally posted by operator616
^ Point was: he had help. Not that it matters now.
Yeah, thanks. I put the time and effort to explain Merlyn in detail, and
in turn, i get a response from you saying my post is "crap". A little
decency would be nice, you know.
Anyway, this is most likely my last reply, i just want to get some facts straight.
Fact is, you're ignoring the on panel evidence backed up by handbook confirmation.
So, nothing new but what you believe to be a "fact." Cool.
My tone in posts depends on the person I'm debating with.
Nowadays I always approach respectfully but if I sense sarcasm/condesention or "crap" like that,
I'll redefine the nature of my association with said person in the debate at hand.
Originally posted by operator616
Roma was manipulating events as well. Nothing "omniversal" about that.
So again: i don't see Merlyn doing anything with his own personal abilities.
But like you said, the one who linked/merged the chessboards to
the universes, is the one who counts as being
multiversal/omniversal, not the ones who are manipulating/playing
the game (Merlyn/Roma). Can you prove that Merlyn was the one
who linked them? no you can't.
I see you didn't get my point. It was the way Moore showcased them for us.
It was an obvious representation of two "gods" in charge of shit. And Merlyn was certified as the Supreme Omniversal Guardian, a title I'm sure he did not acquire,
unless he was well, omniversal. Perhaps not in the sense that you're imagining it.
Merlyn created the Celestial Nullifier and I have that stated on panel so give me a sec,
if he created the CN, then it stands to reason it was he who intertwined the life-force
of the omniverse with it via the crystals. I refuse to believe he just got lucky and
found the crystals. There's also no evidence even alluding to such an idea so
occam's razor fits fine here.
Originally posted by operator616
Besides, Merlyn was also injured while playing the game, in The Daredevils #10:
http://i.imgur.com/lcpnkje.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1vq3VOV.jpg
That was the Fury that burned his hands. The Fury ... which also defeated "God."
So, this is kinda "irrelevant." (that's one of the terms full of "decency" you employ)
Originally posted by operator616
Merlyn can't destroy a universe without the matrix, that's nonsense and you know
it. I can start posting his Post-Excalibur v1 #50 laughable performances as
well...like for instance the ones in x men die by the sword and New Exiles, to show
how powerful he really is after the matrix was cut from him.
"Die by the Sword?" ... yea I know, one moment Merlyn's getting his entire torso blown out by MJJ:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16946467_Merlyn_tuff.jpg
Which as we can see, Merlyn recovers instantly from and almost acts like nothing happened ...
... to then getting stomped by Betsy hand to hand.
Luv dem comic comedies ey? Guess it's all a matter of perspective, lol.
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You're just not getting these characters friend, they're written on and off due to their agendas.
We know what they can really do, because sometimes writers are allowed to shine.
And this isn't a cop-out to shadow their low showings it's literally part of their character make-up.
Originally posted by operator616
Back then, Merlyn did none of those things, only showings in the MJJ event itself
or prior showings count (like the ones i posted) and that's it. Because the Energy
matrix is a MASSIVE power boost for Merlyn which wasn't part of him back then.
And now you're also including the excalibur.....which wasn't established to be able
to remake the cosmos until Excalibur v2......if you'll deny this there's always on
panel evidence to show you how weak (compared to the one who can sunder the
omniverse along with the amulet of right) it was, back then.
The implied power/influence over the omniverse was there for Merlyn during the Jaspers arc.
And it seemed his only better was MJJ.
You can't discount what Merlyn's power has accomplished simply because certain feats were verified after the fact. It's still the SAME character (Alien Merlyn)
who created Otherworld, & the Starlight Citadel & the CN with the power of the Energy/Matrix.
And during the Jaspers arc saga, Alien Merlyn was the one involved,
on Otherwolrd,
and portrayed without doubt as some "god" manipulating everything.
Some "god" who just happens to be the "Omniversal guardian."
We learn more about the character's abilities as time goes on,
just cause he didn't do something before he could later on, doesn't mean he was never able to,
unless of course he tried and failed before. In Merlyn's case it's tricky cause he enjoys the confusion.
Regardless, we later learned how/why Merlyn became the "Omniversal guardian"
because he gained god-like power when he merged with the Matrix.
No big deal, we just learned it later on.
Anyway, these characters have silly showings under their belts,
but also uber feats which unfortunately are seldom seen due to plot.
Meaning,
they're not meant to be the heroes so it will be rare if ever to see them doing what they can do,
instead they'll employ heroes so we can enjoy the read and of course heroes always win in the end.
But we do have some, like Roma exercising her Telepathic powers in a limited area,
but across the entire Omniverse: (Roma TP'd everyone in and around the Tower of every reality)
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16946556_MJJ-Roma2.jpg
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She can also easily re-arrange History with a thought.
Here Linda actually remembers the event as though it happened,
even though she knows it did not:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16946555_MJJ-Roma.jpg
Signifying that History was changed by Roma plucking Linda's dead husband out of Time.
This scene also blends Fury's exploits in 238 with that present time.
So Merlyn's/Roma's capabilities relate to that period as well.
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Doom, empowered by most of Roma's power, was able to stalemate that omniversal CCU
in the hands of the Red Skull. Doom lost, but not before an incredible battle.
This took place in Chaos Engine.
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So all kinds of crazy are involved with Merlyn and Roma, ups and downs,
but there is no doubt imo, that Merlyn was implied to be an omniversal god in the Jaspers arc,
superseded by a greater god. (MJJ)
Originally posted by operator616
My opinion is solely based on what happened in the comic, i didn't make anything
up to support my argument. The reason given for Fury's take over, was that MJJ's
life was in jeopardy. You don't like it and wanna make it seem like im baiting then
go right ahead, i couldn't care less,
... Circle.
When you find that scan that shows us MJJ's life in jeopardy,
or anything even remotely resembling the possibility of MJJ even just losing,
BEFORE the Fury's arms/legs manifested on MJJ's body literally at the End of book 4,
you let us know by posting it.
Otherwise, I have nothing further to add to the truth with proof I posted prior.
Originally posted by operator616
im not going to reply anymore unless something of worth is brought up.
What else can be brought up? It's a silly back and forth now.
I'm done here.
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