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Slavery is pretty much an accepted part of live in Biblical times. And mind-boggling interpretation of the Bible allows for slavery-inducing madness such as Curse of Ham, which gave people a blank moral check to enslave Africans and Native Americans.

In fact, of the big three religions (Christian, Islam, Judaism), all accept slavery in some form or another, either in their early scripture or in the form of male dominance.

I can't imagine my religion (Buddhism) condoning slavery. We are all connected. So the life of a slave brings all of our lives down with it.

Buddhism doesn't itself encourage slavery, but some forms of Buddhism are assimilated into cultures that practice it. For example, feudal Japan had forms of slavery yet had Buddhist teachings. Religions are never pure and always bleed into the social practices of wherever they are transported to, like cargo cults in a way.

Quite frankly, I don't see the point for social inequality if we proclaim to be moral people. What moral person happily oppresses someone else, even indirectly?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Buddhism doesn't itself encourage slavery, but some forms of Buddhism are assimilated into cultures that practice it. For example, feudal Japan had forms of slavery yet had Buddhist teachings. Religions are never pure and always bleed into the social practices of wherever they are transported to, like cargo cults in a way.

Quite frankly, I don't see the point for social inequality if we proclaim to be moral people. What moral person happily oppresses someone else, even indirectly?

The Buddhism in feudal Japan was corrupted by the government. The government would only sponsor the Buddhist schools that supported what the government did. All others were persecuted. See the life of Nichiren Daishonin.

Of course. That's a common part of syncretism.

JIA why not try to answer my question?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
JIA why not try to answer my question?


What question?



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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
What question?


Why is slavery not included in the Ten Commandments? That is the topic of the thread.

Perhaps because at the time, the Hebrews were formerly slaves instead of themselves being slave owners. But that wasn't always so.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Perhaps because at the time, the Hebrews were formerly slaves instead of themselves being slave owners. But that wasn't always so.

Wait, the myth that the Hebrews were slaves in Egypt has be debunked. The people who built the pyramids were not slaves. They were common workers who payed their taxes with labor. This is evident in the work camps, where the people lived. They were worked hard, but they were well treated and given lots of beer.

There is also accounts of slaves being brought out of Egypt with the Hebrews in the bible. I'm not good at quoting the bible, and I could be wrong. Check it out.

But... I watched the Charleton Heston movie. How could I be wrong?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Because slavery is an ethically gray area and has a gray definition.



"Is not the savage shown kindness under the care and housing of his Spartan owners?"


-Some Ancient Smart Dude that I'm Obviously Paraphrasing


"The 9-5 people are slaves of the market and that the corporate institutions created. Your freedom is an illusion."

-A Paraphrase from Kevin

So, slavery is a gray area. Ok, so is murder, and it was included.

I would have been happier had Goliath enslaved David instead of being murdered, as that jives with my ethically grey leanings, clearly.

Slavery>murder. You can only have sex with a person for so long after they've died. But if they're a slave, there's no end to the fun! You can do all kinds of neat things with a slave, and the option to finally kill them is always there. Don't deny yourself such bountiful entertainment/free labor/organ donor.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, slavery is a gray area. Ok, so is murder, and it was included.

It was "killing" not murder. And I think "don't kill, bitches" is pretty dang specific with no gray areas. They made it not gray, though.


"Don't lie."

"Don't steal."

"Don't kill."

I mean, how can you make those gray areas? But they did...they did.

lots of liberal Christian hate on here. Apparently Buddhism is the far superior religion. how unbiased

Because shit had to get done, bud.

Originally posted by Raisen
lots of liberal Christian hate on here. Apparently Buddhism is the far superior religion. how unbiased

You can thank your friendly neighborhood JIA for some of that. But if you have some great counter arguments, feel free to produce them.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You can thank your friendly neighborhood JIA for some of that. But if you have some great counter arguments, feel free to produce them.

You won't hear me arguing for Christianity. All religions seem like a sci fi novel to me. I just try to respect a person's religion. Its a big thing in a lot of peoples lives

I don't understand; we should respect the religion of people who push it on others, but they don't have to respect us not wanting to hear their rhetoric? Especially when we point out huge flaws in their scripture?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I don't understand; we should respect the religion of people who push it on others, but they don't have to respect us not wanting to hear their rhetoric? Especially when we point out huge flaws in their scripture?

It's the PUSHING part that is bad.

If you wanted to know about my religion, I would take the time to tell you. But if you didn't want to know, then I will not tell you. That is how I think it should be. However, some religions like fundamentalist Christians are commanded to teach you about their religion, especially if you don't want to know.

We don't need to get rid of religions, we just need better religions.

Well, in that respect it's like any other belief. I can believe that Danes are strange people or that the North Pole is a place where Santa lives, or that global warming is a lie. It's when I start absolutely declaring it as truth and attacking others for not sharing that truth that I become a menace.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Well, in that respect it's like any other belief. I can believe that Danes are strange people or that the North Pole is a place where Santa lives, or that global warming is a lie. It's when I start absolutely declaring it as truth and attacking others for not sharing that truth that I become a menace.

You are absolutely right. However, you started off as a menace. hee hee jk

You know, debate is a good thing. I always say; I don't want peace on Earth, after all the Moon is very peaceful place, but I wouldn't want to live there. What I want is harmony, and a few bad notes only makes us appreciate the nice ones more.

To answer my own question: I believe that the Hebrews from the OT thought slavery was a good thing, and not bad.

Why is slavery not in the 10C?

1. God had slaves. We call them angels. What's the big deal?

OR

2. Like Stealth Moose said: it was just an accepted part of life back then; everyone was too close to it to see the forest for the trees. Same like with America's Founding Fathers.

Hell, sometime in the future, our descendants will look back at things we're doing now (eg, making Miley Cyrus or Kim Kardashian types celebrities), and wonder, wtf?

Originally posted by Mindship
Why is slavery not in the 10C?

1. God had slaves. We call them angels. What's the big deal?

OR

2. Like Stealth Moose said: it was just an accepted part of life back then; everyone was too close to it to see the forest for the trees. Same like with America's Founding Fathers.

Hell, sometime in the future, our descendants will look back at things we're doing now (eg, making Miley Cyrus or Kim Kardashian types celebrities), and wonder, wtf?

Wait, I'm wondering wtf now!

way too famous??

Originally posted by Mindship
way too famous??

I'm tired of Madonna want-to-bees.

Save the bees. Save the trees. Save the whales. Save those snails.

In the future, people will look back and go "Message boards? How technologically inferior! Oh, hey... my psionic chip is acting up again..."

The ten commandments are flawed, because they were written by humans.

I personally think that "Do not steal" covers a lot of the commandments - I think George Carlin actually did a bit on this in his ten commandments piece - that there are really only two commandments. Something like, Do not steal covers murder and envy, to the effect of you are STEALING another person's right to be alive and you are stealing another person's happiness if you envy and act on your envy...
Stealing could cover slavery - Do not steal the freedom from your fellow man.
Also, iirc, there are a lot of laws about indentured servants, about how you can only keep them seven years, and laws about slavery and how you should treat your slaves

Originally posted by siriuswriter
I personally think that "Do not steal" covers a lot of the commandments - I think George Carlin actually did a bit on this in his ten commandments piece - that there are really only two commandments. Something like, Do not steal covers murder and envy, to the effect of you are STEALING another person's right to be alive and you are stealing another person's happiness if you envy and act on your envy...
Stealing could cover slavery - Do not steal the freedom from your fellow man.
Also, iirc, there are a lot of laws about indentured servants, about how you can only keep them seven years, and laws about slavery and how you should treat your slaves

Good point.

Either Leviticus or Deuteronomy has passages on slave owning, indicating in one that, if I recall correctly, it is okay to own slaves so long as they are only from neighboring nations.

So far my attempt to lure Canadians with Labatt's and maple syrup has failed.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Either Leviticus or Deuteronomy has passages on slave owning, indicating in one that, if I recall correctly, it is okay to own slaves so long as they are only from neighboring nations.

So far my attempt to lure Canadians with Labatt's and maple syrup has failed.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So far my attempt to lure Canadians with Labatt's and maple syrup has failed. Fool. Our supplies are plenty. Your meagre offerings do not sate our mighty cravings.

How about some American quarters? They're generally heavier and prettier than your own.

You've gotta offer something they DON'T have, Stealth Moose. Like, rudeness... or... proper cuss words.

I can relate to snow. Maybe that'll help?

http://cdnexpat.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/canadian-trap.jpg

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I can relate to snow. Maybe that'll help?

http://cdnexpat.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/canadian-trap.jpg

Wait, that a Canadian beer!

Yeah, with the exception of Sam Adams, ours is water in comparison.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Yeah, with the exception of Sam Adams, ours is water in comparison.

What about Black Butte Porter?

Neve tried it.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Neve tried it.

What? Do you like dark beer?

Joke's on you: I don't drink beer. Liquor all the way.

You are a traitor to your people.

Lucky for me they're all too polite to call me out on it.

Ok, so, slavery is not part of the ten commandments. What else is missing?

How 'bout any violent action that doesn't end in death?

Originally posted by siriuswriter
How 'bout any violent action that doesn't end in death?

Your right assault and battery is not included.

I was thinking more like attempted murder. Like, so the dude is still alive. Good job for the perpetrator, they'd have only been fingered if the victim was actually dead. Or rape. Cause, you know, Israelites needed to build up the number of people in their religion.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
I was thinking more like attempted murder. Like, so the dude is still alive. Good job for the perpetrator, they'd have only been fingered if the victim was actually dead. Or rape. Cause, you know, Israelites needed to build up the number of people in their religion.

Unfortunately, rape would fall under #10 or #8 because an unmarried woman would be the property of her father. Now, incest in also not in there.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
slavery is in the bible.

Yes, then why is it not part of the Ten Commandments? Your not saying the God sanctions slavery?

Slavery isn't part of the 10 commandments. When people steer away from the 10 commandments, things like slavery and disease follow.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Slavery isn't part of the 10 commandments. When people steer away from the 10 commandments, things like slavery and disease follow.

What? That doesn't make any sense. So, if you don't follow the 10 commandments then slavery will exist? But slavery existed at the time of the 10 commandments. The Jews, according to the bible, were slaves. You would think the first thing on the list would have been NO SLAVES!

Maybe the Jews were never slaves, and slavery was considered to be a good thing.

I think he means to say that because people don't follow the ten commandments, disease and slavery results. Or something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhkYSji0yUs

Originally posted by Jynocidus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhkYSji0yUs



No. Please no. I will not go view any YouTube videos. If you have something to say, then take the time and write out your point. I don't want to hear what somebody else, that cannot be debated, has to say.

It'll be quicker if you listen to him at around 28 minutes. There's all the slavery you want, right there. Scriptures quoted and everything.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
It'll be quicker if you listen to him at around 28 minutes. There's all the slavery you want, right there. Scriptures quoted and everything.

You are not getting the point, are you? We can skip that part. A lot of people use a Video, not as a tool, but as a shield. Then, they never have to take responsibility for anything they say. I'm not saying that you are doing that. I just wanted you to understand my point of view. Watching the video puts me at a disadvantage. I have no reason to watch it.

Well. I don't want to debate, there's nothing to debate about the truth. Maybe someone else will debate with you, I just wanted to answer your question relating to slavery in the bible.

The video is very insightful, despite the fact that it may offend some. It could give you a perspective regarding your curiosity.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. Please no. I will not go view any YouTube videos. If you have something to say, then take the time and write out your point. I don't want to hear what somebody else, that cannot be debated, has to say.

YEAH!! Shaky politely rebels!!

Very simple. The Ten Commandments were created as a form of social control--they were meant to apply to relations of Hebrews among other Hebrews, hence why there's no contradiction when God commands the Hebrews to slaughter enemy tribes to the last infant. Slavery was part of the Hebrew social order, so banning it would be as strange as God banning brushing our teeth in this culture.

The more glaring omission is the lack of a "Thou Shalt Not Rape"

Originally posted by Jynocidus
Well. I don't want to debate, there's nothing to debate about the truth. Maybe someone else will debate with you, I just wanted to answer your question relating to slavery in the bible.

The video is very insightful, despite the fact that it may offend some. It could give you a perspective regarding your curiosity.

If the video is going to offend, then I don't want to see it. I don't like being exposed to evil.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
YEAH!! Shaky politely rebels!!

Right? I'm tired of people throwing youtube videos at me too. Either own up to your words or move on. The intent is to debate, not just pretend it's evident and hide behind youtube. I mean, I almost never click on the links. It's useless.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If the video is going to offend, then I don't want to see it. I don't like being exposed to evil.

I'm not exactly sure how to respond to that. I believe you not to find the Bible reliable, and if that's true, you're probably already evil so you might as well just look.

If not, it won't expose you to evil. It'll expose evil to you.

Originally posted by Jynocidus
I'm not exactly sure how to respond to that. I believe you not to find the Bible reliable, and if that's true, you're probably already evil so you might as well just look.

If not, it won't expose you to evil. It'll expose evil to you.

http://www.gorestruly.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/tommy-lee-wtf-meme-generator-i-m-sorry-but-did-i-just-miss-something-aa7d52.jpg

Originally posted by Jynocidus
I'm not exactly sure how to respond to that. I believe you not to find the Bible reliable, and if that's true, you're probably already evil so you might as well just look.

If not, it won't expose you to evil. It'll expose evil to you.

Wow! Who made you judge? Do you get a lot of converts talking to people like that?

What I said was a joke. If you have something that would offence people on this forum, then its probably illegal. At least I thought it was funny.

You don't believe in the Bible, Shaky. You are evil.

GIT BEHIND ME SATAN

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
You don't believe in the Bible, Shaky. You are evil.

GIT BEHIND ME SATAN

I told you NOT to bring that dog. You know how dyslectic he is.

@Jynocidus

Learn how to write for yourself, or perhaps you should find religion. Maybe that would help place a loving heart in that chest of yours.

Chests are for the devil. Jyno owns a trunk.

According to Captain Morgan, the Devil's Cut comes in barrels. You lose.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
According to Captain Morgan, the Devil's Cut comes in barrels. You lose.

I've got to try some of that.

I believe siruswriter is probably right on the Old Testament slavery.
In the New Testament-"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, NEITHER SLAVE NOR FREE. . .for you are all one in Christ Jesus". Galatians 3:28

Originally posted by m317
I believe siruswriter is probably right on the Old Testament slavery.
In the New Testament-"There is neither Jew nor Gentile, NEITHER SLAVE NOR FREE. . .for you are all one in Christ Jesus". Galatians 3:28

So, the ten commandments don't really matter any more?

Christians could never reconcile the touchy-feely Nice Jesus with the wrathful God of the OT that they jocked from the Jews, and then later persecuted.

When Jesus was asked what the most important commandment was, he answered "To love your neighbor as you love yourself." Also, iirc, I believe he stated the Beatitudes - you know, the weak shall inherit the earth, the first shall be last and the last shall be the first, etc.
So, Shaky, read into that what you will.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
When Jesus was asked what the most important commandment was, he answered "To love your neighbor as you love yourself." Also, iirc, I believe he stated the Beatitudes - you know, the weak shall inherit the earth, the first shall be last and the last shall be the first, etc.
So, Shaky, read into that what you will.

I'm sorry, but what did you want me to do?

Oh, HaHaHaaaa.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
Oh, HaHaHaaaa.

I'd rather be a slave with food and roof over my head than a free man starving in the wilderness.

This assumes that the only way you could be in society is to be a slave. Your analogy is bleak.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
This assumes that the only way you could be in society is to be a slave. Your analogy is bleak.
No it doesn't.

Originally posted by Astner
I'd rather be a slave with food and roof over my head than a free man starving in the wilderness.

What is the difference between a well treated slave, and a poorly treated slave?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What is the difference between a well treated slave, and a poorly treated slave?

One's well treated.



Is this a trick question?

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
One's well treated.



Is this a trick question?

Originally posted by Astner
No it doesn't.

Honestly, a man starving free in the wild is forsaken by society or is forced to live outside of it to avoid slavery. This is the implication given. If it doesn't, why make the distinction? The analogy doesn't represent reality because it presents two radical extremes.

"I'd rather be the best dressed prostitute on the Strip rather than a solitary leper in a gutter" has similar value as a world-view statement. The first one has little freedom but relative health and comfort, whereas the second has absolute freedom and poor health and comfort. But the truth is most of us wouldn't want to be either one, and neither represents the norm of any sub-culture in society, so why bother?

Kinda a sad look on human life, isn't it? No grand gestures or "Give me liberty or give me death?" Just "Nope, it's fine, I'll buckle under and take slavery, just feel free to beat me up anytime you feel the whim..."

We should have better ideas of our own innate worth.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
We should have better ideas of our own innate worth.

It seems that most people need to be given worth, not realizing that worth is something we create.