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Who is the weakest guy who can beat Silver Age Superman without using magic, red sun power, kriptonite or any other weakness ?

Restriction: it cant be another silver age character.

No one!

The House of El reigns supreme!

With these stipulations even Doomsday wouldn't make the list because you'd probably consider lasting until Superman runs out of gas as some type of weakness exploitation.

Spectre

Originally posted by Odekahn
Spectre

I think The Spectre may technically fall into the mystical category. In most of DC's depictions when there is a magical event The Spectre is present.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I think The Spectre may technically fall into the mystical category. In most of DC's depictions when there is a magical event The Spectre is present.

Not sure. I thought the whole point in DOV was he was trying to eradicate all magic in the DC universe. If he was magic, God would have to be magic too (which he isn't) and that just seems contradictory. His power is more supernatural in nature imo.

Using silver age Superman is like using Bugs Bunny in a debate. What's the point!?

SA Black Adam

Originally posted by Odekahn
Not sure. I thought the whole point in DOV was he was trying to eradicate all magic in the DC universe. If he was magic, God would have to be magic too (which he isn't) and that just seems contradictory. His power is more supernatural in nature imo.

You have a point but in other appearances he usually joins forces with the mages when the threat is large enough.

There is also the Phantom Stranger but given the mystery around his origins no one is quite sure whether he is a fallen angel or a mage.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You have a point but in other appearances he usually joins forces with the mages when the threat is large enough.

There is also the Phantom Stranger but given the mystery around his origins no one is quite sure whether he is a fallen angel or a mage.

Yeah but he's joined non-mages too. He jumped in CoIE and Zero Hour to name a few. Also he's the Wrath of God. He's God's judgement made manifest. I just don't think that counts as the same magic Fate and other DC mystics tap into.

Silver Surfer.

Squirrel girl.

Superman.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Not sure. I thought the whole point in DOV was he was trying to eradicate all magic in the DC universe. If he was magic, God would have to be magic too (which he isn't) and that just seems contradictory. His power is more supernatural in nature imo.

You're right in that it doesn't make sense for the Spectre to be magical, being an aspect of the Presence and all, but in DoV his power was stolen by Black Alice, who's power is stealing magical power.

Originally posted by Cogito
You're right in that it doesn't make sense for the Spectre to be magical, being an aspect of the Presence and all, but in DoV his power was stolen by Black Alice, who's power is stealing magical power.

PiS imo.

It's not that I wouldn't like it if he were powered by magic, I just don't really see it. Maybe part of what she stole was from Eclipso?

Originally posted by Odekahn
Not sure. I thought the whole point in DOV was he was trying to eradicate all magic in the DC universe. If he was magic, God would have to be magic too (which he isn't) and that just seems contradictory. His power is more supernatural in nature imo. He's magic. Black Alice was able to drain him so... take that as you will.

Anyways Jan Arrah aka Element Lad. Indestructable adamantium dc equivilant cage. Forgetting its name at the moment

Originally posted by janus77
Silver Surfer.

Dies!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Dies!

Indeed.

Originally posted by Uriel005
He's magic. Black Alice was able to drain him so... take that as you will.

Anyways Jan Arrah aka Element Lad. Indestructable adamantium dc equivilant cage. Forgetting its name at the moment

Yeah but wasn't Spectre under the control of Eclipso at the time? He wasn't under the influencial power of the Presence. Also the point was made within the arc that the battle was Spirit vs Magic. That was also why he couldn't be hurt after he was drained.

Originally posted by Odekahn
PiS imo.

It's not that I wouldn't like it if he were powered by magic, I just don't really see it. Maybe part of what she stole was from Eclipso? It's not just Day of Vengeance. Spectre's status as a being of magic was a substantial plot point in Crisis on Infinite Earths. As a magical being, he could not traverse the anti-matter universe and take the fight directly to Anti-Monitor.

Originally posted by ODG
It's not just Day of Vengeance. Spectre's status as a being of magic was a substantial plot point in Crisis on Infinite Earths. As a magical being, he could not traverse the anti-matter universe and take the fight directly to Anti-Monitor.

Fair enough then.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Yeah but wasn't Spectre under the control of Eclipso at the time? He wasn't under the influencial power of the Presence. Also the point was made within the arc that the battle was Spirit vs Magic. That was also why he couldn't be hurt after he was drained. eclipso is the spirit of wrath the same as Spectre is the spirit of vengeance. They are both "Magic"

Sue Richards.

Blink, from Exiles.

She can kill just about *anything*.

Methods: Hold a teleport crystal so his heat vision hits him in the back of the head.

Throw a whole bunch of crystals into him and teleport his parts into different places- note, this worked on The Fury. You know, that thing that can wipe the entire Captain Britain corps.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Not sure. I thought the whole point in DOV was he was trying to eradicate all magic in the DC universe. If he was magic, God would have to be magic too (which he isn't) and that just seems contradictory. His power is more supernatural in nature imo. He is empowered by magic. Lol at your Spectre ignorance.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is empowered by magic. Lol at your Spectre ignorance. Be nice now. btw FYI to Odeh DC cosmic hierarchy is magic based when compared to Marvel which is distinctly higher order quasi-science by comparison for example Galactus when he used to be a cosmic force pimp has the power cosmic which is definitely not magic.

Still sad about how Galactus has turned into such a run of the mill rather than the inexorable and unstoppable force that he used to be.

Originally posted by Uriel005
eclipso is the spirit of wrath the same as Spectre is the spirit of vengeance. They are both "Magic"

I thought Eclipso started using magic only after he was no longer the Wrath of God though?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He is empowered by magic. Lol at your Spectre ignorance.

I'm always learning. At least I'm open and not closed minded when off about something. And at least I'm willing to accept truth if it's convincing enough and not in denial because I can't accept that my favorite character can/cannot beat up yours, lol.

Originally posted by Q99
Blink, from Exiles.

She can kill just about *anything*.

Methods: Hold a teleport crystal so his heat vision hits him in the back of the head.

Throw a whole bunch of crystals into him and teleport his parts into different places- note, this worked on The Fury. You know, that thing that can wipe the entire Captain Britain corps.
Superman in SA was totally invulnerable. Doctor Light once did the same thing to superman i.e. teleported his body parts as did sinestro. He still lived.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I'm always learning. At least I'm open and not closed minded when off about something. And at least I'm willing to accept truth if it's convincing enough and not in denial because I can't accept that my favorite character can/cannot beat up yours, lol. Saying the Spectre is non magical is h1 level knowledge.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Be nice now. btw FYI to Odeh DC cosmic hierarchy is magic based when compared to Marvel which is distinctly higher order quasi-science by comparison for example Galactus when he used to be a cosmic force pimp has the power cosmic which is definitely not magic.

Still sad about how Galactus has turned into such a run of the mill rather than the inexorable and unstoppable force that he used to be. I am always nice. Your post is hard to understand with the grammatical errors so I will give you time to pull yourself together.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Sue Richards.

How ?

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
How ? Brain shard.

Originally posted by abhilegend
?

Superman brain have super durability too. Sue dont have enough power to destroy his brain.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Superman brain have super durability too. Sue dont have enough power to destroy his brain. I disagree.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Superman brain have super durability too. Sue dont have enough power to destroy his brain.
That was tried on him too. Superman's brain crushed the force-field and it was stated that he was as durable inside as outside. Anybody thinking Sue could do ANYTHING to post crisis superman never mind SA superman is just trolling.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying the Spectre is non magical is h1 level knowledge.

At least I'm still above you then.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
SA Black Adam
You have returned.

The Blob.

If SA Superman struggles with a fat Lois, the Blob would crush him.

A fat woman is heavier then a fat man. FACT.

Ok, i think a well fed Galactus should beat S.A Superman without much problems. But dont have someone weaker than him who could do that ?

What about Wally Wast with no PIS ?

What about the KMC Trans tier list (excluding the magical ones)?

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer, Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Doomsday (H/P), Dr. Fate, Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

Silver Surfer

How ?

This really depends on portrayal. SA Superman had some crazy highs, but he also had some horrible lows. So it could be anyone from Spiderman (Peter) to Zeus.