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From the totality of the Star Wars continuity, list your top 10 favorite fights between two or more characters and the reasons why.

I can include written fights as well?

yup

I'll be honest, a visual medium's (movies and games) fights are just vastly more fun than any from any book. Anyway here are ten of my favorites in no order.

Vader vs Luke Skywalker (ESB)
Malgus vs Ven Zallow
Sidious vs Maul and Savage
Kenobi vs Maul and Savage (Revival)
Mace Windu vs Droids (Clone Wars)
Grievous vs Jedi (Clone Wars)
Sidious vs Yoda (RotS)
Maul vs Kenobi (TPM)
Vader vs Luke Skywalker (RotJ)
Ventress vs Anakin (Clone Wars)

Ventress vs Anakin is high up there. Actually most of the action in that series is among the best in the mythos imo.

Forgot how epic the ending of that fight was.

Just edited my list.

lol

Originally posted by ares834
I'll be honest, a visual medium's (movies and games) fights are just vastly more fun than any from any book. Anyway here are ten of my favorites in no order.

Vader vs Luke Skywalker (ESB)
Malgus vs Ven Zallow
Sidious vs Maul and Savage
Kenobi vs Maul and Savage (Revival)
Mace Windu vs Droids (Clone Wars)
Grievous vs Jedi (Clone Wars)
Sidious vs Yoda (RotS)
Maul vs Kenobi (TPM)
Vader vs Luke Skywalker (RotJ)
Revan vs Malak (KotOR)

I agree that the visual media lends itself much better to such things. But I will want your reasons, my son.

Originally posted by ares834
Forgot how epic the ending of that fight was.

Just edited my list.

lol

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Without saying a word it translates Anakins fall better than all of the prequels did and was much more engaging. I seriously think that cartoon is kind of genius.

Yeah, the microseries was good stuff. Still prefer TCW for the CGI, certain standout arcs, and the inclusion of other elements into an otherwise stale clones vs. droids melee.

1. Yoda vs Count Dooku - Yoda: Dark Rendezvous.

The book is one of my favorites and so are the characters. Their conversation shortly before their fight is badass: finishing it off with a well-written fight, resembling the complex relationship between Yoda and Dooku.

2. Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker vs Count Dooku - Revenge of the Sith.

Much better than in the film. Again, like above, the conversation between Sidious and Dooku right before the fight fits very well. The sheer length of it, Anakin's emotions, Dooku realizing he had been used etc.

3. Yoda vs Count Dooku - Attack of the Clones.

The novelization and the movie depict this duel equally good, in my opinion. Yoda is awesome no matter how you look at it {especially in the book, where descriptions of his speed and skill is exceptional}, and the Count looks like a reak Makashi specialist in the movie.

4. Luke Skywalker vs Darth Vader - Return of the Jedi.

Again, as above, I don't prefer either version of this fight to each other. The emotions, the Emperor, what is at stake etc., makes the fight very enjoyable, not to mention the direct relationship between Luke and Vader that is further explored on.

5. Anakin Skywalker vs Obi-Wan Kenobi - Revenge of the Sith.

The grand finale of the third movie. The environment, special effects, emotions etc. are very well done. I prefer the movie version for this one.

6. Yoda vs Darth Sidious - Revenge of the Sith.

The second grand finale of the third movie. It's the one we always waited for: the two most powerful practitioners of light and dark face off. The ending is my favorite part as I feel it's carrying the ultimate stakes of all the movies. I prefer the movie version here as well.

7. Darth Sidious vs Darth Maul and Savage Opress - The Clone Wars.

Great effects. First time we really see Sidious out-right dominate on-screen which was good to see. The best thing was how it was explicitly shown that Sidious was the master, not Maul.

8. Darth Maul vs Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi - The Phantom Menace.

Very well done visually. The acrobatics performed by Maul, especially in the end, are badass.

9. Darth Bane vs Darth Zannah - Dynasty of Evil.

This fight is fairly good. It's a clash between the two protagonists of the trilogy. I enjoy Zannah as a character, and all in all, I felt it was a job well done by Karpyshan.

Not sure for the last spot.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ventress vs Anakin is high up there. Actually most of the action in that series is among the best in the mythos imo.

I'd say that's one of the very best of the series, because it's epicness wasn't based around fancy big-scale force powers, it was just two people going at it for five minutes and using the environment.

Nice list.

Karpyshyn's general lameness & lol 'Force tentacklez!' notwithstanding, the man knows how to write a fight scene.

I'm pleasantly surprised that you included Yoda vs. Dooku from Dark Rendezvous so highly. That entire confrontation is one of my favorites as well.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nice list.

Karpyshyn's general lameness & lol 'Force tentacklez!' notwithstanding, the man knows how to write a fight scene.

I'm pleasantly surprised that you included Yoda vs. Dooku from Dark Rendezvous so highly. That entire confrontation is one of my favorites as well.

I agree. To be honest, I'm debating with myself whether Vader vs Luke in Empire Strikes Back or Bane's encounter with Zannah in the Stone Prison should take up my last spot.

Yep. Not only is the fight described well, the book definitely leads up to it and includes a lot of important details: for example, it notes that Dooku is ''sweating'', the exotic description of their speed, Yoda's little comparison between Dooku and Mace etc. Very good.

I'm with ares on this one; I tend to be more biased for visual fights simply because my mind doesn't have to design and execute the complex choreography detailed therein. I can just sit back, relax, and eat my popcorn.

What makes Yoda and Dooku a rare exception is that Stewart did such an amazing job capturing their compelling relationship. Even though I knew Dooku wouldn't be redeemed or killed, I wanted to see the outcome.

Well I agree unless it is an exception. For example, Dooku's fight with Anakin and Obi-Wan is, visual or not, done far better in the book than in the film.

Agreed.

I am thinking about adding Mace's fight with Sidious, but I'm not sure. The preparation done by Sidious with the recording, his inner thoughts about how he had been waiting for this day, Mace preparing the Jedi etc., was very good, but the fight itself was kind of dull.

So it might be Vader vs Luke ESB for 10.

Vader vs Luke Skywalker (ESB)- This one is fairly self explanatory. Just an epic fight plus the big reveal makes it the most iconic moment of Star Wars. I also consider the opening of the duel to be the best lightsaber sequence in the entire Star Wars mythos.

Malgus vs Ven Zallow- One of, if not, the best choreographed lightsaber duels I've seen. Best of all it doesn't over stay it's welcome.

Sidious vs Maul and Savage- Simply awesome. Love seeing Sidious finally unleashed and completely kicking ass.

Kenobi vs Maul and Savage (Revival)- A well done fight. I also like seeing Kenobi kick some major ass.

Mace Windu vs Droids (Clone Wars)- Just so over-the-top and ridiculous that I can't help but love it.

Grievous vs Jedi (Clone Wars)- Enter Grievous. And what an entrance it was! He takes down several Jedi with ease using not one, not two, but three lightsabers. Sadly, Grievous was nothing more than a chump in RotS.

Sidious vs Yoda (RotS)- One of the only times we see two force titans go at it. It's visually very different from the typical duels which makes it fun and interesting to watch. Especially in a movie that is otherwise packed full of lightsaber duels.

Maul vs Kenobi (TPM)- On here for the same reason Malgus vs Ven Zallow is. It a very well choreographed and fast paced duel.

Vader vs Luke Skywalker (RotJ)- While the worst choreographed duel on my list, the emotion and the music (specifically when Luke gives into the dark side) are the best in the series.

Ventress vs Anakin (Clone Wars)- Not only is it an incredibly well done duel, but we clearly see Anakin struggling and giving in to the dark side. And unlike other parts in the movies, it doesn't feel ham-fisted.

Not seeing a lot from TOR; interesting.

I haven't submitted a list yet.

You will do so. And you will do so soon.

I think Sidious vs Mace and the three other jedi had the potential to be one of the most epic fights, but it turned out to be an epic fail because of the lame choreography.

Starkiller vs. Vader in TFU2 is probably going to be on my list.

Oh yeah, I forgot about TFU. They had some good fights. Updating my multi-page post (as per your orders) now.

(this is a joke, I'm not doing jack shit)

You will post your complete list and you will do so soon.

I will read some Lets Plays and go to sleep.

(Is 'not doing jack shit' a double negative? Pondering.... mmm)

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You will post your complete list and you will do so soon.

Palpatine vs Yoda will definitely be on my list of course. It was definitely a battle between two equals, with Yoda having the upperhand at times and Sidious having the upperhand at other times.

In terms of comic fights, Wyyrlok vs Krayt was a great one. Zayne Carrick vs Lucien vs Haazen from the KotoR comic is incredible awesome.

Probably also going to include Ventress dismantling the Dathomirian Zabraks in "Monster." Just a great action set piece.

Ventress rocks.

Neph, any TOR fights to consider?

Nah.

Man, TCW has a lot of good ones. It's hilariously inconsistent quality notwithstanding, they knew how to film a good fight scene.

^Yeah, true. Except I didn't really like the fight between Anakin and Dooku on tatooine, other than Dooku's little dust storm force move against Anakin (that I liked).

Not all the fights were standout, true.

But Cad Bane's duel with Obi-Wan and Quinlan was excellent. Vizsla vs. Maul is up there, too.

Yeah, those were entertaining, especially Vizsla vs. Maul (ignoring the inconsistent qualities), and of course my all time favorite: Sidious vs the Brothers. I think I enjoyed all of Ventress' fights. Oh, and Krell vs the 501st. Krell was a beast.

As for Cad Bane, I wish we seen more of him. He turned out being one of my favorite villains in the series.

There really wasn't an inconsistency with Maul. My theory is that he refrained from using the Force to smite Vizsla for a very sound reason: he wanted to prove to the honor-obsessed Death Watch troops that he could win the fight without active use of the Force.

My list is turning out to be pretty much all TCW inclusive.

Yoda v. Dooku in Dark Rendezvous is one of my favorites as well, because the emotion in the fight is arguably more important than the actual combat taking place. In this way, it's a lot like the OT; emphasis on emotion, atmosphere, and comes off as a battle of wills rather than wushu-influenced saber waving.

OT Fights, despite looking slow and sad in comparison with other media, still get some mileage for me, especially since the films themselves are better than the PT. Also, Han shot first.

This thread makes me think back to an analysis I had of the TPM end-fight, long long ago, where I really dissected it. I ended up concluding that Maul was epically toying with the Jedi and they were pretty much nowhere near his skill level, but they kept landing hits because he was holding back. This is probably because Ray Park can break both opposing actors in half if he really went all out. Or Nick Gillard is a crap stuntsman.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Neph, any TOR fights to consider?

All the ones from the trailers:

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Pretty much all of it from 1.00 onwards.

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And the Nox vs Thanaton fight:

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All.

But mostly TOR lacks visually appealing fights, being an MMO and all.

Yeah, most of it is in-game, and therefore pretty much not easily analyzed.

Yeah, the trailers are pretty good. I think the one on Alderaan is my least favorite, though.

@Temp, I was referring to his speed. Even in TCW, we see Maul deflect and evade multiple blaster bolts with ease (even in his fight with Viszla), but yet he was on the receiving end of multiple elbows and punches from Viszla. With Maul's reaction speed, he shouldn't be on the receiving end of physical attacks from a non-force user, unless Viszla has superhuman speed like Grievous, or unless Maul was also restraining himself from using the force for physical enhancements. Also the strength issue; Viszla, IMO, shouldn't be able to contend with Maul in a saber duel at all, unless, again, Maul was limiting his physical enhancements to make it more fair, which I guess would make sense. But other than that, I do agree that Maul obviously refrained from using TK.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yeah, the trailers are pretty good. I think the one on Alderaan is my least favorite, though.

The Malgus and Vindican vs Kao and Satele is my favorite. Easily above anything on TCW imo, except maybe Sids vs Zabrak bros.

Well even in the EU, non-Force users can openly contend with powerful Force adepts despite being grossly outmatched on paper. Cf. Ulic vs. Mandalore, Jace Malcom and Malgus, etc.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Malgus and Vindican vs Kao and Satele is my favorite. Easily above anything on TCW imo, except maybe Sids vs Zabrak bros.

It's up there, minus the hilarious abuse of slo-mo.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Well even in the EU, non-Force users can openly contend with powerful Force adepts despite being grossly outmatched on paper. Cf. Ulic vs. Mandalore, Jace Malcom and Malgus, etc.

Thats stupid. Any powerful Force user should crush a muggle in combat. Duhhh! 6_9

On paper, yup.

Mandalore had a very large advantage over Ulic BTW.

Hey, how about muggle fights? Not all good combats in SW are force user vs force user.

I can't think of any.

Well some on my list do indeed involve Muggles. But I'm having a rough time thinking of a standout visual fight between two Muggles.

Boba Fett vs Han in RotJ?

Originally posted by Nephthys
The Malgus and Vindican vs Kao and Satele is my favorite. Easily above anything on TCW imo, except maybe Sids vs Zabrak bros.

Didn't Satele make a personal bubble against the vacuum of space in Fatal Alliance?

Yes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Boba Fett vs Han in RotJ?

That's really not standout imo. Very embarrassing for the former as well.

Yes. While Force pwning 9 hexes (Jedi-killing battledroids).

Morrigan Corde vs Jor Torlin was a good one in Legacy. It was mostly a battle of lack-of-trust and of wits, but it was pretty badass ^^ (Heck, whenever Cade's mom shows up in a fight, it's badass).

Hm, Kir Kanos vs Carnor Jax was awesome, though I guess Jax technically was a force user.


Oh yes, Nina Galfridian vs a room full of Stormies in Invasion: Revelations!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes. While Force pwning 9 hexes (Jedi-killing battledroids).

Satele = win.

@ Tempest, yeah, I know, but those are inconsistencies, but ignoring them, sometimes the fights are still good regardless.

Sidious vs. Maul & Savage
Dooku vs. Nightsisters
Vizsla vs. Maul
Cad Bane vs. Obi-Wan & Quinlan
Kit vs. Grievous
Krell vs. The 501st Legion
Ahsoka vs. Barriss
Dooku vs. Ventress & Savage
Barriss vs. Anakin
Eeth Koth vs. Grievous

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That's my rough list as of this moment.

I'd forgotten Dooku versus Nightsisters, which I recall was being pretty good. And Kit versus Grievous. Man, did that guy get knocked down a few pegs. Back in '05, everyone thought ht was uber.

Do you feel manlier by actually typing out 'versus'?

Most of those fights are pretty pants, bro.

IN MY OPINION.

Nah, they're great.

Sidious vs. Maul & Savage - Awesome
Dooku vs. Nightsisters - Lame
Vizsla vs. Maul
Cad Bane vs. Obi-Wan & Quinlan - Lame
Kit vs. Grievous - Lame
Krell vs. The 501st Legion
Ahsoka vs. Barriss
Dooku vs. Ventress & Savage - Semi-Lame
Barriss vs. Anakin - Semi-Lame
Eeth Koth vs. Grievous - Lame

You missed a few.

And your scores were generally off the mark.

I had no comment on the rest. They're good.

Concession accepted.

Neph, why was Dooku vs the nightsisters lame?

The complete lack of slow motion.

Meh.

Dooku's got a nice crib.

I like his jammies.

I've got your jammies right here.

*grabs crotch*

Neph will qualify for all three when I'm done with him tonight.

I guffaw'd even. You're on a roll tonight.

I think Kenobi vs Maul/Opress might be my top 1.

Apart from how cool the fight looked, it was just the sheer excitement of Kenobi being left alone to face both these beasts. And by all odds, he really shouldn't have stood a chance, yet came out victorious.

Not like with Sidious vs the same duo, where the excitement level isn't the same because we know Sidious is by far the most powerful combatant there and the brothers have no chance of victory and they do lose, and it's Sith vs Sith so it's not like the audience is going to be particularly sympathetic to either side anyway.

Not saying Sids vs the Bros wasn't a really cool fight. Of course it was. But in terms of entertainment Kenobi vs The Bros comes on top for me.

They should've left Maul for dead, and Opress was a dumb fvck. I do admit, though, that their fight vs. Sids was awesome.

But I'm with Neph. Vindican and Malgus vs. Satele and Kao is the best.

Malgus vs Zallow was better than that one.

Malgus vs. Zallow was also one of the best, yes.

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This fight is also excellent and totally doesn't make Grievous look like a loser at all. You'd think it would. But you'd be wrong.

Ahsoka also momentarily held her own against Ventress in "Cloak of Darkness," so yeah, she's just a prodigy. Anakin even states in one episode that she is beyond most padawans of her age (or something like that).

When she was first introduced in TCW, I hated the idea of her, but as the series went on I started to really enjoy her character, so I don't mind her anymore. I'm glad her character was created.

Nah, she still sucks.

Every force user with a name in Star Wars is a prodigy.

... unless the story dictates that the force user is specifically weak as shit.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66


When she was first introduced in TCW, I hated the idea of her, but as the series went on I started to really enjoy her character, so I don't mind her anymore. I'm glad her character was created.

That's how most people feel about her. She's also grown a lot more powerful through the series. In season 1 she clearly couldn't hold her own against Grievous for any time at all.

I'm guessing she was almost ready to be Knighted by the end of the final season.

This shit looks even better on Blu-ray. Will review and detail my selections later.

Was thinking about buying season 5, but I have most of it on DVR. And they are playing the reruns starting with season one, so I'm just guna record them all.

I had to commemorate my new TV, blu-ray, and surround sound purchase with an appropriate visual experience.

I don't rewatch movies that often anymore and since TCW isn't on Netflix, I figured I'd purchase the whole series. Pretty economical in light of 100+ episodes and with all the extra features.

Well just rub it in my face.

Luke, Jaina and Jacen fighting their way to the citadel and then fighting Onimini to end the NJO series wasn't half-bad either.

Yeah, that was fairly epic as far as Star Wars books go. Also, gotta give some love to Plagueis's smackdown of the Maladian assassins in DP.

Bane and Kas'sim as well.

No.

Bane versus the mercenaries in DOE? That's a good one.

Bane and Zannah against the Jedi strike team too.

Also no.

your opinion I suppose. those were some damn fine books.

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This is one of the greatest action sequence of TCW.

I wish we would have seen more from this guy, as I wonder how he would fare against other notable force users. He has incredible speed, tremendous strength, and seems to be extremely skilled in h2h combat. And his TK is not bad either. He'd have definitely made a very powerful apprentice for Dooku.

Watching that arc now on Blu-ray; it's excellent.