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I'll wait until I see the conclusion of Ultraman and Adam's fight before I give my opinion.

I don't get it. What difference would that make, Galan? Black Adam is featless, so Ultraman beating him shouldn't help with your decision imo, especially looking at KC Superman fts. It would take a lot more than beating Adam to pull a majority against this Supes.

Based on Adam's showing against Billy, and Billy's showing against Superman, it's safe to assume that Adam is at least on par with Superman-- possibly even more powerful. There's also the fact that Adam single-handedly killed the Circle of Eternity, but I won't go there.

Anyway, if Ultraman ends up thrashing Adam, a much stronger case can be made for him in this thread.

Originally posted by Galan007
Based on Adam's showing against Billy, and Billy's showing against Superman, it's safe to assume that Adam is at least on par with Superman-- possibly even more powerful. There's also the fact that Adam single-handedly killed the Circle of Eternity, but I won't go there.

Anyway, if Ultraman ends up thrashing Adam, a much stronger case can be made for him in this thread.


Forgot about that. Good points.

By any chance, does anyone have the Black Adam and Billy fight? Or the issue #?

Justice League 19-21

Ultraman beat the christ out of Black Adam, with little more than a bloody nose to show for it(although the 'battle' did force Ulty to replenish his k-nite reserves afterward.) He also tanked BA's magical lightning:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944185_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-009.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944188_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-010.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944191_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-011.jpg
Ultraman: ""SHAZAM"? How silly." classic.

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At the end of the issue, BA is still KTFO:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944194_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-020.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944196_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-021.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944199_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-022.jpg


Ultraman wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ultraman beat the christ out of Black Adam, with little more than a bloody nose to show for it(although the 'battle' did force Ulty to replenish his k-nite reserves afterward.) He also tanked BA's magical lightning:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944185_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-009.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944188_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-010.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944191_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-011.jpg
Ultraman: ""SHAZAM"? How silly." classic.

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At the end of the issue, BA is still KTFO:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944194_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-020.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944196_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-021.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944199_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-022.jpg

Waiiiit a second here.....is this cannon? If so, how many posters are going to jump of the BA bandwagon? KO by facial crush? I mean, this has to rank up there all time in terms of pure ownage. Someone pull up the ownage thread! Seriously, why all the crickets?

Ultraman wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ultraman beat the christ out of Black Adam, with little more than a bloody nose to show for it(although the 'battle' did force Ulty to replenish his k-nite reserves afterward.) He also tanked BA's magical lightning:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944185_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-009.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944188_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-010.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944191_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-011.jpg
Ultraman: ""SHAZAM"? How silly." classic.

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At the end of the issue, BA is still KTFO:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944194_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-020.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944196_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-021.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944199_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-022.jpg


Ultraman wins.

That is just wrong. BA should have been beaten with fists. The way he lost is just humiliating... What level is Ultraman now? Trans or what...

Cue Thanos vs Ultraman threads... eurgh.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
That is just wrong. BA should have been beaten with fists. The way he lost is just humiliating... What level is Ultraman now? Trans or what... If he's hopped up on k-nite, then I'd say he's definitely trans. Nothing less than that would be able to defeat BA so easily, imo.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
That is just wrong. BA should have been beaten with fists. The way he lost is just humiliating... What level is Ultraman now? Trans or what...

Is it about UM's power level? Something tells me they wouldn't have let that happen to Superman. Maybe DC is giving BA the Thor treatment!

Originally posted by Galan007
If he's hopped up on k-nite, then I'd say he's definitely trans. Nothing less than that would be able to defeat BA so easily, imo.

So perhaps Superman P all over again. Creative.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cue Thanos vs Ultraman threads... eurgh.

BA has almost no feats, Ultraman is just starting to get them, still before you can put a "newbie" like Ultraman against an established character of Thanos power, you should wait till you see how Ultraman will be defeated. ^^

Originally posted by Galan007
If he's hopped up on k-nite, then I'd say he's definitely trans. Nothing less than that would be able to defeat BA so easily, imo. I should clarify: if weakness exploitation is allowed, any character that can manifest concentrated solar rays would logically have a good chance at beating Ulty.

Sans weakness exploitation, however, he is definitely trans-level after a huff of k-nite.

Originally posted by Galan007
If he's hopped up on k-nite, then I'd say he's definitely trans. Nothing less than that would be able to defeat BA so easily, imo.

But that was way too easy, breaking his teeth and everything. It feels soo wrong but well. I can accpet it, though I doubt he would have had such an easy time with WW3 adam or pre DCnU Adam. He reminds me of SBP.

DCnU Adam is FAR from featless. Aside from killing the Circle of Eternity, he also stomped Shazam, and the entire Shazam-amped Marvel family. Ulty would've beaten pre-Flashpoint Adam(discounting his WWIII amp) just as easily as he beat DCnU Adam, imo. He is simply on a different level, and this comic confirmed it.

Originally posted by Galan007
DCnU Adam is FAR from featless. Aside from killing the Circle of Eternity, he also stomped Shazam, and the entire Shazam-amped Marvel family. Ulty would've beaten pre-Flashpoint Adam(discounting his WWIII amp) just as easily as he beat DCnU Adam, imo. He is simply on a different level.

I still don't know what level the Circle of Eternity was operating at tbh, it's not the Quintessence from what I know. The only fight I have seen from BA was against Billy, who was inexperienced and the family, well they get each a part of Billies power but the total of their combined power is still just 1 CM.

I can accpet that k-nite amps him to trans, like the sun amps supes to trans.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I still don't know what level the Circle of Eternity was operating at tbh, it's not the Quintessence from what I know. Pandora stated that the CoE represented a higher power than Spectre himself:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16944561_27.jpg

And in the DCnU, Spectre=God's desire for justice:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16944568_29.jpg


That being said, Black Adam killed every member of the CoE, before being imprisoned by the Wizard:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16944562_28.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16944578_30.jpg
But as you can see, even the Wizard seems terrified of him.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I can accpet that k-nite amps him to trans, like the sun amps supes to trans.

He's also not particularly vulnerable to magic, evidently.

Originally posted by Galan007
Pandora stated that the CoE represented a higher power than Spectre himself:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16944561_27.jpg

And in the DCnU, Spectre=God's desire for justice:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16944568_29.jpg


That being said, Black Adam killed every member of the CoE, before being imprisoned by the Wizard:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16944562_28.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t/16944578_30.jpg
But as you can see, even the Wizard seems terrified of him.



He's also not particularly vulnerable to magic, evidently.

Well I though she meant God himself, but anyway. Let's see how they will bring Ulty down. I hope it takes a team effort or an sundipped Supes.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ultraman beat the christ out of Black Adam, with little more than a bloody nose to show for it(although the 'battle' did force Ulty to replenish his k-nite reserves afterward.) He also tanked BA's magical lightning:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944185_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-009.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944188_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-010.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944191_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-011.jpg
Ultraman: ""SHAZAM"? How silly." classic.

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At the end of the issue, BA is still KTFO:
http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944194_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-020.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944196_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-021.jpg http://s3d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16944199_Forever_Evil_2013-_003-022.jpg


Ultraman wins.
DC continuing to sh|t on the Marvel clan.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Well I though she meant God himself, but anyway. God didn't judge Pandora. The CoE did:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16944671_TN52FCBD2012_pg004.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/16944674_TN52FCBD2012_pg005.jpg
Ergo, the CoE=the "higher power than Spectre" that judged her.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Let's see how they will bring Ulty down. I hope it takes a team effort or an sundipped Supes. If they don't use weakness exploitation(and I'm sure they will, at least in part) to beat Ulty, it'll almost certainly take a team-effort to bring him down.

But remember: currently both Owlman AND Luthor are plotting against Ultraman behind the scenes. Thus it may not be the 'heroes' who bring down Ultraman/the CSA at all... In fact, I doubt it will be.

Originally posted by zopzop
DC continuing to sh|t on the Marvel clan.

I like how every character must have impressive showings, and must do well in every single battle, otherwise they are getting "shit on" by their respective company.

This comic was simply a means for Johns to show us that Ultraman is on a completely different level than most other characters, as BA was easily one of earth's elite superpowers. BA's beating will serve as further incentive for Luthor to swiftly gather his team of uber villains to fight the CSA, as 1 uber villain is clearly not enough.

You guys throw Trans. around like you're giving out candy on Halloween. Someone like Surfer has dozens of insane feats spread out over decades....High Herald. Ultraman squeezes some face....obvious Trans.

"Oh, what a cute little feat you're wearing tonight! What are you, Ultraman? Here's your Trans. label. Take two for your friend Hulk there."

I just think Adam lost waaaayyy too easy. They should have made the fight a lil more drawn out imo. This is Adam we are talking about, he should not have been defeated like that.

Originally posted by Digi
You guys throw Trans. around like you're giving out candy on Halloween. Someone like Surfer has dozens of insane feats spread out over decades....High Herald. Ultraman squeezes some face....obvious Trans.

"Oh, what a cute little feat you're wearing tonight! What are you, Ultraman? Here's your Trans. label. Take two for your friend Hulk there." If no herald can duplicate that feat(and I don't believe any of them can), then Ulty would obviously be above the herald tier, no?

Aside from that, using Surfer as the benchmark for heralds has always been ridiculous, imo. The guy has stepped WAY outside his 'weight class' WAY too consistently for him to be grouped with the other heralds. His title as a "herald of Galactus" shouldn't be the deciding factor in limiting him to the herald tier... But that's neither here nor there.

I agree about the Surfer comment.

Originally posted by Digi
You guys throw Trans. around like you're giving out candy on Halloween. Someone like Surfer has dozens of insane feats spread out over decades....High Herald. Ultraman squeezes some face....obvious Trans.

"Oh, what a cute little feat you're wearing tonight! What are you, Ultraman? Here's your Trans. label. Take two for your friend Hulk there."

Wow, wow calm down digi! No need to become agressive!

Run people, run!

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100822115357/supernatural/images/5/53/Castiel_beaten_up_by_Uriel.png

Originally posted by carver9
I just think Adam lost waaaayyy too easy. They should have made the fight a lil more drawn out imo. This is Adam we are talking about, he should not have been defeated like that. yea he was manhandle. Not what you would expect to happen for sure

Originally posted by zopzop
DC continuing to sh|t on the Marvel clan.

They always do..

Originally posted by Galan007
If no herald can duplicate that feat(and I don't believe any of them can), then Ulty would obviously be above the herald tier, no?

Aside from that, using Surfer as the benchmark for heralds has always been ridiculous, imo. The guy has stepped WAY outside his 'weight class' WAY too consistently for him to be grouped with the other heralds. His title as a "herald of Galactus" shouldn't be the deciding factor in limiting him to the herald tier... But that's neither here nor there.

But by the same token, if you look at anyone in Trans., it's generally agreed that they would beat Surfer, even granting him those "above the weight class" feats. And squeezing face really hard doesn't come close to half a dozen that I can think of off the top of my head. The same could be said for Thor, Kal, etc. and the same argument would still apply. I could easily imagine a not-holding-back Pre-Flashpoint Superman getting a good showing like that too. Does it make him Trans?

It's a good feat. He chumped a guy who's probably HH, but may end up mid by the time he gets more feats. But, like, when I see SBP smash teams of heralds at the same time, that screams Trans. to me. Not a good 1-on-1 feat, no matter how impressive.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Wow, wow calm down digi! No need to become agressive!

Run people, run!

Originally posted by Digi
But by the same token, if you look at anyone in Trans., it's generally agreed that they would beat Surfer, even granting him those "above the weight class" feats. And squeezing face really hard doesn't come close to half a dozen that I can think of off the top of my head.

It's a good feat. He chumped a guy who's probably HH, but may end up mid by the time he gets more feats. But, like, when I see SBP smash teams of heralds at the same time, that screams Trans. to me. Not a good 1-on-1 feat, no matter how impressive. Very few HH's would beat Surfer, due to either CIS(he doesn't always fight to his maximum ability) or some sort of vulnerability exploitation, like high-end telepathy. However, this does not change the fact that Surfer has numerous feats WELL beyond his weight class. As I said: he's stepped beyond the HH tier far too often for him to confined there, imo. However, I do understand why people have a block on reclassifying him-- after all, he has been considered THE paramount herald-leveler for YEARS now.


I think of it a bit more simply: if a character can beat a HH with ease, and tank said HH's most powerful attack in the process, that character is almost certainly beyond the HH tier-- not saying Ulty must be a high-end trans-leveler, like Prime or Thanos, but placing him at the lower end of the trans-tier is perfectly fair, and moreover logical, imo. Like I said earlier: I believe the Ulty/BA battle was Johns' way of showing us that Ulty is simply beyond any singular earthly/herald-level foe.

Originally posted by Galan007
Very few HH's would beat Surfer, due to either CIS(he doesn't always fight to his maximum ability) or some sort of vulnerability exploitation, like high-end telepathy. However, this does not change the fact that Surfer has numerous feats WELL beyond his weight class. As I said: he's stepped beyond the HH tier far too often for him to confined there, imo. However, I do understand why people have a block on reclassifying him-- after all, he has been considered THE paramount herald-leveler for YEARS now.

I think of it a bit more simply: if a character can beat a HH with ease, and tank said HH's most powerful attack in the process, that character is almost certainly beyond the HH tier-- not saying Ulty must be a high-end trans-leveler, like Prime or Thanos, but placing him at the lower end of the trans-tier is perfectly fair, and moreover logical, imo. Like I said earlier: I believe the Ulty/BA battle was Johns' way of showing us that Ulty is simply beyond any singular earthly/herald-level foe.

Agree to disagree then. I just dislike placing too much importance on a single feat.

And just know you're setting yourself up for a nasty kerfuffle when Superman beats Ulty.

Originally posted by Digi
Agree to disagree then. I just dislike placing too much importance on a single feat.

And just know you're setting yourself up for a nasty kerfuffle when Superman beats Ulty.

I've already thought of that, believe me. I'm hoping that by then, Ulty will have accumulated several more higher-end feats to help soften the blow a bit *crosses fingers*

...But in all seriousness, I think it will be Luthor and his villain team-up or Owlman that beats Ulty.

Galan, your wanking of Surfer sickens me.

^ Meh, I don't even like Surfer, but there's no denying his feats.

Also, truth hurts, etc. vegetajv2

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Meh, I don't even like Surfer, but there's no denying his feats.

Also, truth hurts, etc. vegetajv2



I am a Surfer fan, funnily enough.

Joking aside, I do agree that he could easily be classified as trans. In fact, I think the top 3/4 heralds could easily be pushed up there too.

Originally posted by Digi
You guys throw Trans. around like you're giving out candy on Halloween. Someone like Surfer has dozens of insane feats spread out over decades....High Herald. Ultraman squeezes some face....obvious Trans.

"Oh, what a cute little feat you're wearing tonight! What are you, Ultraman? Here's your Trans. label. Take two for your friend Hulk there." I agree its far too early in the game to throw that label around. Look at the initial buzz surrounding Rulk when he first entered the scene. You have to look at multiple arcs IMO to properly judge not just one initial beatdown when the character is fairly new. That's jumping the gun which many seem like prisoners of the moment all too often.

Poor analogy, given that the initial buzz around Loeb-Rulk was completely accurate.

Originally posted by Galan007
Poor analogy, given that the initial buzz around Loeb-Rulk was completely accurate. Incorrect as we still weren't even sure of his powers and Thor beat the snot out of him at the end as did the Hulk. You always jump the gun and are a prisoner of the moment. Digi gets it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Incorrect as we still weren't even sure of his powers and Thor beat the snot out of him at the end as did the Hulk. You always jump the gun and are a prisoner of the moment. Digi gets it. Thor didn't 'beat' Rulk until AFTER Loeb left the series. If you're going to try and trash-talk, at least get your facts straight.

Under Loeb, Rulk was unarguably trans-level. Regardless of your beliefs about Ultraman's showing making him a trans-leveler, your analogy was poor.

Originally posted by Galan007
Thor didn't 'beat' Rulk until AFTER Loeb left the series. If you're going to try and trash-talk, at least get your facts straight.

Under Loeb, Rulk was unarguably trans-level. He beat him in the 6th issue and let the hulk finish him off. You are way off your game.


You want to put everyone there after a few beatdowns while ignoring the characters entire history. I don't judge characters by single arcs Thats your deal.

I factor all showings into the equation.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He beat him in the 6th issue and let the hulk finish him off. You are way off your game. No he didn't. You're lying. It was even stated that Thor COULD NOT defeat Rulk in that very same comic. Do I need to post the scans?

Again, don't try to trash talk when you're horrendously incorrect. Makes you look like even more of an idiot.

Quan, you're gonna let Galan own you like this?

Originally posted by Galan007
No he didn't. It was even stated that Thor COULD NOT defeat Rulk in that very same comic. Do I need to post the scans?

Again, don't try to trash talk when you're horrendously incorrect. Makes you look like even more of an idiot. So you bash all you want and then say you'll report.

Post the scans of Rulk admitting Thor had him and that Hulk doesn't have the warrior mentality of Thor. I can still remember it to this day.


Post em.

Originally posted by Mindset
Quan, you're gonna let Galan own you like this? He's wrong and when he opens the issue and sees it I want a public apology for going maniac on me simply for agreeing with Digi.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you bash all you want and then say you'll report.

Post the scans of Rulk admitting Thor had him and that Hulk doesn't have the warrior mentality of Thor. I can still remember it to this day.


Post em. Rulk said that Thor had him on the ropes. This does NOT mean Thor "beat" Rulk on panel, like you said. You LIED about an event to try and make your point seem more substantial. You were caught in your lie and called out on it.

Lies are for the weak, quanch.

Originally posted by Galan007
Rulk said that Thor had him on the ropes. This does NOT mean Thor "beat" Rulk on panel, like you said. You LIED about an event to try and make your point seem more substantial. You were caught in your lie and called out on it.

Lies are for the weak, quanch. Rulk admitted he had him beat and that Hulk spared him.

You said it was stated that Thor cannot beat Rulk in the same comic. You're the liar not me. So fragile. You really are made of glass sometimes.


In the same arc Thor dominated him after being crushed. Proves you flat out wrong, POTM(prisoner of the moment).

Originally posted by Galan007
No he didn't. You're lying. It was even stated that Thor COULD NOT defeat Rulk in that very same comic. Do I need to post the scans?

Again, don't try to trash talk when you're horrendously incorrect. Makes you look like even more of an idiot. Post the scan in issue six which said Thor cannot beat Rulk. Your claim. You have the scans. Let's see em. Don't back down now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Incorrect as we still weren't even sure of his powers and Thor beat the snot out of him at the end as did the Hulk. You always jump the gun and are a prisoner of the moment. Digi gets it.

They simply will not accept that Thor whooped him at the the height of Rulk's hype. They had it all figured out up until then. It's like the people who say that Sadaam did have WPDs and the world knew it.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
They simply will not accept that Thor whooped him at the the height of Rulk's hype. They had is all figured out up until then. It's like the people who say that Sadaam did have WPDs and the world knew it. I know his hype couldn't even last through the arc. People need a decent body of work before they really want to categorize otherwise it is jumping the gun which I think most agree with.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Rulk admitted he had him beat and that Hulk spared him.

You said it was stated that Thor cannot beat Rulk in the same comic. You're the liar not me. So fragile. You really are made of glass sometimes.


In the same arc Thor dominated him after being crushed. Proves you flat out wrong, POTM(prisoner of the moment). I said that was stated... Because it WAS stated:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16945743/1.jpg.html

I, unlike yourself, don't purposefully LIE about events just to help my case.

Originally posted by Galan007
I said that was stated... Because it WAS stated:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16945743/1.jpg.html

I, unlike yourself, don't purposefully LIE about events just to help my case. Omg.





Sorry, but this is the Hulk acting like its his right to beat the Rulk not Thors. not like the comic stated Thor cannot beat him here. I'd never even believe someone could interpret it the way you did.


This is too funny. I need to walk away. Can't stop laughing.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
They simply will not accept that Thor whooped him at the the height of Rulk's hype. They had it all figured out up until then. It's like the people who say that Sadaam did have WPDs and the world knew it. I'm not saying Thor couldn't have beaten Rulk had the battle lasted longer. I'm saying that he didn't actually "beat" Rulk, like quanchi tried to lie about.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Omg.





Sorry, but this is the Hulk acting like its his right to beat the Rulk not Thors. not like the comic stated Thor cannot beat him here. I'd never even believe someone could interpret it the way you did.


This is too funny. I need to walk away. Can't stop laughing. That's what A-Bomb ascertained, yes. However, the comment was still made, like I said.

You, on the other hand, outright LIED about an event(Thor did not "beat" Rulk, like you said.) You were caught. The fact that you cannot simply admit you were wrong truly IS hilarious.

Originally posted by Galan007
Projection is funny.

You lied about an event(Thor did not "beat" Rulk, like you said.) You were caught. The fact that you cannot simply admit you were wrong truly IF hilarious. Let us examine this further. By your scan you are saying no one else in comics could best the Rulk save the Hulk. It doesn't even apply to Thor if we take it at face value. Rulk later admits Thor had him. Thor crushed him and the Hulk jumped in to finish him off.


You said in the entire arc he was this formidable but by the end Thor and the Hulk both sonned him. I think you know what just happened here today. Just don't jump the gun in the future. K. Have a blessed evening.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Let us examine this further. By your scan you are saying no one else in comics could best the Rulk save the Hulk. It doesn't even apply to Thor if we take it at face value. Rulk later admits Thor had him. Thor crushed him and the Hulk jumped in to finish him off. Read.Compute.Comprehend:
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not saying Thor couldn't have beaten Rulk had the battle lasted longer. I'm saying that he didn't actually "beat" Rulk, like quanchi tried to lie about. Originally posted by Galan007
That's what A-Bomb ascertained, yes. However, the comment was still made, like I said.

You, on the other hand, outright LIED about an event(Thor did not "beat" Rulk, like you said.) You were caught. The fact that you cannot simply admit you were wrong truly IS hilarious.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You said in the entire arc he was this formidable but by the end Thor and the Hulk both sonned him. I think you know what just happened here today. Just don't jump the gun in the future. K. Have a blessed evening. Loeb Rulk beat Uatu, the Grandmaster, Surfer and Thor(among several others.) The initial hype about him WAS accurate.

Anywho, you said Thor actually "beat" Rulk under Loeb, which is a blatant LIE. He NEVER did. You were caught on this LIE, and destroyed accordingly. Why? Because you lack the maturity to simply admit that you goofed up.

Always a pleasure.

Originally posted by Galan007
Read.Compute.Comprehend:


Loeb Rulk beat Uatu, the Grandmaster, Surfer and Thor(among several others.) The initial hype about him WAS accurate.

Anywho, you said Thor actually "beat" Rulk under Loeb, which is a blatant LIE. He NEVER did. You were caught on this LIE, and destroyed accordingly. Why? Because you lack the maturity to simply admit that you goofed up.

Always a pleasure. Again, it was a naive Surfer, Thor destroyed him the second time around and the Hulk wrecked him too. The hype died down by the end of the arc and got much worse which is another indicator one arc isn't a true indicator by any means let alone a characters introductory arc.

I agreed with Digi and didn't even address you directly because you tend to report those who disagree with you. I was right that by the end of his first arc he got brought down to size in one issue no less.

Live long and prosper.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I agreed with Digi and didn't even address you directly because you tend to report those who disagree with you. I was right that by the end of his first arc he got brought down to size in one issue no less.

Live long and prosper. You said Thor "beat" Rulk, which is a LIE-- a LIE I caught you in. Regardless of your attempts at deflection, I still see LIES for what they are: tactics for the weak.

This will be my last post to you regarding this topic, because frankly, I don't want to be the one responsible for your inevitable mental breakdown and potential murder/suicide irl.

You may now proceed to have the last word.

Originally posted by Galan007
You said Thor "beat" Rulk, which is a LIE-- a LIE I caught you in. Regardless of your attempts at deflection, I still see LIES for what they are: tactics for the weak.

This will be my last post to you regarding this topic, because frankly, I don't want to be the one responsible for your inevitable mental breakdown and potential murder/suicide irl.

You may now proceed to have the last word.

Galan, you are really making a silly argument. Saying Thor beat him is NOT a lie. He didn't say Thor KOed him, he said he beat him, and he did. If you fight someone and the other person gets injured and is vulnerable, it's fair to say you beat them. Rulk beat Thor the first time, but he didn't KO him. He could have, he didn't. The only difference in the second fight is that Hulk cut in so he could be the one to finish Hulk off. The fact that you are getting so upset and yelling he lied is pretty juvenile and and attempt to distract from what the outcome was. Thor beat Rulk the second time.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Galan, you are really making a silly argument. Saying Thor beat him is NOT a lie. He didn't say Thor KOed him, he said he beat him, and he did. If you fight someone and the other person gets injured and is vulnerable, it's fair to say you beat them. Rulk beat Thor the first time, but he didn't KO him. He could have, he didn't. The only difference in the second fight is that Hulk cut in so he could be the one to finish Hulk off. The fact that you are getting so upset and yelling he lied is pretty juvenile and and attempt to distract from what the outcome was. Thor beat Rulk the second time. Thor was winning the scuffle, sure. He did not "beat" Rulk, though. The word "beat" implies that he'd won the battle-- which he most certainly had not yet done.

But yeah, it doesn't really matter to me at all. Just think it's funny.

I think your face is funny, nerd!

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Originally posted by Galan007
Very few HH's would beat Surfer, due to either CIS(he doesn't always fight to his maximum ability) or some sort of vulnerability exploitation, like high-end telepathy. However, this does not change the fact that Surfer has numerous feats WELL beyond his weight class. As I said: he's stepped beyond the HH tier far too often for him to confined there, imo. However, I do understand why people have a block on reclassifying him-- after all, he has been considered THE paramount herald-leveler for YEARS now.


I think of it a bit more simply: if a character can beat a HH with ease, and tank said HH's most powerful attack in the process, that character is almost certainly beyond the HH tier-- not saying Ulty must be a high-end trans-leveler, like Prime or Thanos, but placing him at the lower end of the trans-tier is perfectly fair, and moreover logical, imo. Like I said earlier: I believe the Ulty/BA battle was Johns' way of showing us that Ulty is simply beyond any singular earthly/herald-level foe.

I agree with this and would to it, Thor and Silver Surfer are more than HH class, these two have been consistently been punching out of their weight class and their feats speak for themselves.

But I feel the BA and UM battle should have been longer, but as of right now UM looks Low trans at best for now.

I agree. It was definitely a trans-level showing, imo. Whether or not Ulty stays there by the time Forever Evil has concluded is yet to be seen.

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree. It was definitely a trans-level showing, imo. Whether or not Ulty stays there by the time Forever Evil has concluded is yet to be seen.

He has plenty time to pull a Rulk.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Galan, you are really making a silly argument. Saying Thor beat him is NOT a lie. He didn't say Thor KOed him, he said he beat him, and he did. If you fight someone and the other person gets injured and is vulnerable, it's fair to say you beat them. Rulk beat Thor the first time, but he didn't KO him. He could have, he didn't. The only difference in the second fight is that Hulk cut in so he could be the one to finish Hulk off. The fact that you are getting so upset and yelling he lied is pretty juvenile and and attempt to distract from what the outcome was. Thor beat Rulk the second time. Spot on. Deep down he knows it.

Originally posted by Galan007
You said Thor "beat" Rulk, which is a LIE-- a LIE I caught you in. Regardless of your attempts at deflection, I still see LIES for what they are: tactics for the weak.

This will be my last post to you regarding this topic, because frankly, I don't want to be the one responsible for your inevitable mental breakdown and potential murder/suicide irl.

You may now proceed to have the last word. Dude, you said the comic stated Thor cannot beat him when it was just the Hulk.




Unlike you I'm not fragile and don't hide behind the report button like a man made of glass.


Thor had him beat which Rulk admitted. End of story.

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree. It was definitely a trans-level showing, imo. Whether or not Ulty stays there by the time Forever Evil has concluded is yet to be seen.

It shouldn't be surprising. Geoff did say Ultraman was the Uber villain in Forever Evil. He'll have other feats as well. And like you said, he won't be taken down by Superman alone.

Anyone noticed that ULTRAMAN tanked magical lightning A LOT better than Superman? And this is under the same writer.

Ulty's been tanking magical attacks since the Silver Age, broski.