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Namor is armed with a GL ring and a year's experience. Namor's willpower is among the highest in Marvel. Also, Namor is armed with his magical trident. Remember what happened the last time new Superman was stabbed with a magical weapon:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/71630/3398662-supeslose.jpg

Who takes it?

Namor gets his shit pushed in

Superman cooks him alive with HV.

Namor. One stab and it's over, we've seen what happened to the Hulk.

Superman wouldn't act like a dumb loon, so Superman.

Superman cooks him.

Fried sushi... wait!

So a year with the gl ring and Namor can't shield himself?

Uuummm, regular Namor would give any Herald a fight and could pull some wins as well...this version of Namor wins the majority against Supes.

Originally posted by carver9
Uuummm, regular Namor would give any Herald a fight and could pull some wins as well...this version of Namor wins the majority against Supes.

no

He-man is above namor. So namor would not reenact the same scenario with kal.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
He-man is above namor. So namor would not reenact the same scenario with kal.

But this is not a weight lifting contest. A normal top tier GL should be a match for Superman or he man and this is Namo with the GL ring. Namor has a magic weapon that should bypass Superman's durability. The only question is if, how and when he lands a blow.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So a year with the gl ring and Namor can't shield himself?

Unless Namor creates water with that GL ring, even shields would mean he gets cooked like a crab inside its shell.

Originally posted by dial J for Josh
He-man is above namor. So namor would not reenact the same scenario with kal.

Plus, mind-control from Skeletor and all that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Unless Namor creates water with that GL ring, even shields would mean he gets cooked like a crab inside its shell.



Plus, mind-control from Skeletor and all that.

If GLs can use the power to do things like time travel, then why couldn't Namor use the ring to protect himself from the heat based attack? GLs subject themselves to extreme temperature conditions on a regular basis with no problem they do it every time they travel through space.

Not every GL can time travel....simply giving him a year wouldn't suddenly make him Sinestro or Hal.

Look at Namor history...battle fts, then imagine him with this amp.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
If GLs can use the power to do things like time travel

Haven't read much GL since 1986 huh?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not every GL can time travel....simply giving him a year wouldn't suddenly make him Sinestro or Hal.

I understand that. I brought it up only to show what a GL ring to do at the high end. creating shielding against heat vision should be child's play.

Originally posted by carver9
Look at Namor history...battle fts, then imagine him with this amp.

I'm not sure most of the people in this thread have actually done that.

Originally posted by carver9
Look at Namor history...battle fts, then imagine him with this amp.

Look at his ENTIRE history, first.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Look at his ENTIRE history, first.

Curious as to what you mean by this.

Supes won't fight like an idiot when not mind-controlled. Supes FTW

Originally posted by emporerpants
Supes won't fight like an idiot when not mind-controlled. Supes FTW

I wasn't suggesting he would fight like and idiot. I included the scan ONLY to show that a magical blade easily bypassed this new Superman's durability, which is they way it should be.

a year isnt enough, clark solidly

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Curious as to what you mean by this.

that Namor, on average, isn't in the same kind of ballpark as someone like Superman (or any top herald).

Superman is still ridiculously faster, stronger and while the trident will help, it's not as if Superman doesn't regularly fight people that can utilise his vulnerabilities/weaknesses.

I'm trying to figure out what would stop Superman from flying in really fast and ripping the trident out of Namor's hands and beating the mess out of him with it?

Originally posted by carver9
Uuummm, regular Namor would give any Herald a fight and could pull some wins as well...this version of Namor wins the majority against Supes. http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv163/GenniferTheHedgehog/ImmortalityisaJOKE.png

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm trying to figure out what would stop Superman from flying in really fast and ripping the trident out of Namor's hands and beating the mess out of him with it?

Gl ring is being ignored. Nevermind, lock the thread.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Gl ring is being ignored. Nevermind, lock the thread. so he's an elite green lantern(due to Will power) with a magical weapon added to his stats already? Yeah, he could definitely take this.

Originally posted by carver9
Look at Namor history...battle fts, then imagine him with this amp. Hes already has a million stalemates with every hulk imaginable.....Thor, beta Ray, surfer, black bolt, Hercules, etc, etc....and now he's a lantern with magic which just happens to be a weakness for superman. Come on guys.lol

What exactly makes him an elite GL? Several people of his weight class and above have been given rings and don't suddenly become godlike. Hell, whether there's even a boost is sometimes arguable.

What willpower examples are supposed to elevate Namor to the best of the best of Lanterns?

Failmor gets wrecked.

Superman needs one more punch to knock out Namor than usual. Look what happened to John.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_jonsshieldfz0.jpg

Or Kyle

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/striking/ActionComics753a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/striking/ActionComics753b.jpg

If anybody thinks Namor's willpower is better than John or Kyle, they need some help.

Originally posted by Cogito
What exactly makes him an elite GL? Several people of his weight class and above have been given rings and don't suddenly become godlike. Hell, whether there's even a boost is sometimes arguable.

What willpower examples are supposed to elevate Namor to the best of the best of Lanterns? yeah, that one guy was right. You guys are just gonna completely disregard the ring like it's some sort of non factor....fine, whatever.

Oh yeah, and being resistant or completely immune to mind control and illusionists due to willpower might do the trick.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman needs one more punch to knock out Namor than usual. Look what happened to John.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Superman/th_jonsshieldfz0.jpg

Or Kyle

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/striking/ActionComics753a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Strength/striking/ActionComics753b.jpg

If anybody thinks Namor's willpower is better than John or Kyle, they need some help.

That's pre-reboot.

I don't really recall what Namor's trident does. Seems like it only gives him hydrokinesis over water. A power which, against Superman, doesn't seem all that useful. Seems that it being a stabby-stab is all it'd be good for here.

If it goes underwater, Namor can stand toe-to-toe with Superman.

Assuming the GL ring is as useful as it should be, that ought to put him over the top.

It's up to Superman to avoid the trident and keep the fight out of the water.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's pre-reboot.
Oh, yeah. I forgot who OP is. Nevermind.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's pre-reboot.

Hal had more than a year's experience with the ring when he first met Superman in DCnU JL.

It didn't go well for him, so a GL ring is hardly that much of an issue. Unless people really want to start comparing willpower feats of Hal vs Namor?

In addition, yes, Namor has one of Superman's weaknesses (magic). Superman has one of Namor's weaknesses (HV), and it's long range to boot.

If we want to take the He-Man fight as a guide, Superman would've bull rushed him, Namor would hold him (his own strength + GL construct), then received a facefull of HV. Then die.

Yeah, heat-based attacks worked so great for Sunfire and Human Torches

This ends quickly with Shisk-ke-Kal on a trident.

Originally posted by Mshinu
This ends quickly with Shisk-ke-Kal on a trident.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, heat-based attacks worked so great for Sunfire and Human Torches

Lol yup. Though, not sure we want to play a feat war between the Torches, Sunfire and Supes.....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol yup. Though, not sure we want to play a feat war between the Torches, Sunfire and Supes.....

DCnUpes*, who failed to damage Heman's eyes while going all out, only causing him brief pain...

Yup.

I forgot that He Man was vulnerable to being dehydrated.

Namor wears the suit that keeps him hydrated. Alien boy doesn't know about it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yeah, heat-based attacks worked so great for Sunfire and Human Torches
It worked just fine for Iron Man.

http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16959501_IronManv1025f.jpg http://s4d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/16959502_IronManv1025g.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Namor wears the suit that keeps him hydrated. Alien boy doesn't know about it.

I was hoping you would bring that up.

All that lovely hydration. Imagine if a microwave was turned on him (after all, that's the whole rationale behind microwave ovens):

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2369706-newpowers.png

In case you wondered about the heat, 5000 degrees:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3428377-2013-11-06+07-37-47+-+superman+unchained+%282013-%29+004-014.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3427688-2013-11-06+07-37-47+-+superman+unchained+%282013-%29+004-015.jpg

...

Namor absorbs and redirects, Bishop-style:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/308/1717642-namorfeat241uq.gif

biscuits

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
...

Namor absorbs and redirects, Bishop-style:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/308/1717642-namorfeat241uq.gif

biscuits

I see your Bishop, and raise you a Parasite.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3340618-yt2013-09-25+07-11-40+-+superman+%282011-%29+-+featuring+parasite23.4-016.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3340619-yt2013-09-25+07-11-40+-+superman+%282011-%29+-+featuring+parasite23.4-017.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3340620-yt2013-09-25+07-11-40+-+superman+%282011-%29+-+featuring+parasite23.4-018.jpg

Originally posted by namorsubby
yeah, that one guy was right. You guys are just gonna completely disregard the ring like it's some sort of non factor....fine, whatever.

Oh yeah, and being resistant or completely immune to mind control and illusionists due to willpower might do the trick.

It's not a non-factor, it's the only thing keeping Namor in the fight for more than a minute.

But it's not enough. Rings, even in the hands of some of the best of the best, people who have way more experience and better willpower feats than Namor, still fall short of Superman.

Saying Namor won't win = Shitting all over the character and disregarding the ring.

Riiight.

Right. Of course you don't know what the ring is capable of.

uhuh

Originally posted by Zack Fair
http://i680.photobucket.com/albums/vv163/GenniferTheHedgehog/ImmortalityisaJOKE.png

That's Vegeta laughing after he picked some random comic with Superman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I see your Bishop, and raise you a Parasite.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3340618-yt2013-09-25+07-11-40+-+superman+%282011-%29+-+featuring+parasite23.4-016.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3340619-yt2013-09-25+07-11-40+-+superman+%282011-%29+-+featuring+parasite23.4-017.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3340620-yt2013-09-25+07-11-40+-+superman+%282011-%29+-+featuring+parasite23.4-018.jpg

Damn. Loving the art in those scans, Parasite looks sick.

The Super wankery is strong in this forum. Why is everyone ignoring the fact that the GL ring can shield its user from heat? Seriously every time a GL leaves or enters Earths orbit this happens.

Amped Namor wins here pretty solidly. If a regular human gets bumped all the way up to being one of Supermans peers if even a little below then a being like Namor with a weapon that can stab through Supes should take this 7/10.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
The Super wankery is strong in this forum. Why is everyone ignoring the fact that the GL ring can shield its user from heat? Seriously every time a GL leaves or enters Earths orbit this happens.

Amped Namor wins here pretty solidly. If a regular human gets bumped all the way up to being one of Supermans peers if even a little below then a being like Namor with a weapon that can stab through Supes should take this 7/10.

1. Heat vision is more than heat.

2. A ring doesn't automatically make you a peer of Superman.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
The Super wankery is strong in this forum. Why is everyone ignoring the fact that the GL ring can shield its user from heat? Seriously every time a GL leaves or enters Earths orbit this happens.

Mmhmm. A GL ring would also shield its user from lightning, so Thor shouldn't waste his time with that lame trick. I'm pretty sure I've seen rings shield their users from physical harm too. Better tell the Hulk to find a new bag o' tricks.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Amped Namor wins here pretty solidly. If a regular human gets bumped all the way up to being one of Supermans peers if even a little below then a being like Namor with a weapon that can stab through Supes should take this 7/10.

First of all, there's really only two Green Lanterns period who are Superman's peers, and they're named Hal and Kyle. Both of them have way more experience with the ring and way better willpower feats, not to mention rather unique offerings helping both of them (e.g. Johns' wankery of Hal led to Hal's willpower being linked to the spark of creation; Kyle's ring was more powerful than any before him/Ion/IonII/White Lantern etc.)

Superman wins. Not a difficult battle.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I see your Bishop, and raise you a Parasite.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3340618-yt2013-09-25+07-11-40+-+superman+%282011-%29+-+featuring+parasite23.4-016.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3340619-yt2013-09-25+07-11-40+-+superman+%282011-%29+-+featuring+parasite23.4-017.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125391/3340620-yt2013-09-25+07-11-40+-+superman+%282011-%29+-+featuring+parasite23.4-018.jpg

Holy shit. What's that from?

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
The Super wankery is strong in this forum. Why is everyone ignoring the fact that the GL ring can shield its user from heat? Seriously every time a GL leaves or enters Earths orbit this happens.

Amped Namor wins here pretty solidly. If a regular human gets bumped all the way up to being one of Supermans peers if even a little below then a being like Namor with a weapon that can stab through Supes should take this 7/10.

Guess you missed my microwave scans then, right?

Not just heat.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Guess you missed my microwave scans then, right?

Not just heat.

The microwaves that are in space that GLs shield like second nature?

Originally posted by -Pr-
1. Heat vision is more than heat.

2. A ring doesn't automatically make you a peer of Superman.

3. It's Namor.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
...

Namor absorbs and redirects, Bishop-style:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/308/1717642-namorfeat241uq.gif

biscuits

This obviously needs a bump.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Hes already has a million stalemates with every hulk imaginable.....Thor, beta Ray, surfer, black bolt, Hercules, etc, etc....and now he's a lantern with magic which just happens to be a weakness for superman. Come on guys.lol

Most of these guys would sell their children to wank Superman one last time. I post far less than I used to because of this. They approach battles thinking "How will my boy win this time?"

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Most of these guys would sell their children to wank Superman one last time. I post far less than I used to because of this. They approach battles thinking "How will my boy win this time?

Because nobody could genuinely think Superman could win, right?

If you're so sure that Superman has no chance of winning. why make the thread?

Originally posted by ares834
Holy shit. What's that from? Superman #23.4

Originally posted by -Pr-
Because nobody could genuinely think Superman could win, right?

If you're so sure that Superman has no chance of winning. why make the thread? ...Or at the very least, give a good argument as to how Namor will win.

I mean, I can post scans of Superman shattering John's GL constructs(Superman's strength>John's will.) I can also post scans of a no-name Kryptonian casually shattering the auto-shields of both Hal and John at the same time... And that's just the tip of the iceberg. This is Superman's fight to lose.

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman #23.4

...Or at the very least, give a good argument as to how Namor will win.

I mean, I can post scans of Superman shattering John's GL constructs(Superman's strength>John's will.) I can also post scans of a no-name Kryptonian casually shattering the auto-shields of both Hal and John at the same time... And that's just the tip of the iceberg. This is Superman's fight to lose.
Superman oneshotted the same kryptonian on the very next page.

Namor already had enough willpower to withstand and or overcome powerful telepaths and illusionists. And he's already a 100+ class character who has slugged it out with all marvels elite heralds.that means If he breaks his constructs that doesn't automatically mean he's ktfo like human gls. First you guys were disregarding the ring, now you're disregarding Namors natural abilities.

Originally posted by namorsubby
Namor already had enough willpower to withstand and or overcome powerful telepaths and illusionists. And he's already a 100+ class character who has slugged it out with all marvels elite heralds.that means If he breaks his constructs that doesn't automatically mean he's ktfo like human gls. First you guys were disregarding the ring, now you're disregarding Namors natural abilities.
Green Arrow has done that all. He was nearly exhausted by creating a single arrow because his will was cynical.

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman #23.4

...Or at the very least, give a good argument as to how Namor will win.

I mean, I can post scans of Superman shattering John's GL constructs(Superman's strength>John's will.) I can also post scans of a no-name Kryptonian casually shattering the auto-shields of both Hal and John at the same time... And that's just the tip of the iceberg. This is Superman's fight to lose.

What if we used DCnU?

Superman was casually busting Hal's constructs in JL. Someone who has more feats and experience with the ring than Namor.

He is now willing to use HV and microwaves more casually than before.

The trident, whilst an amp, is still a short range solution. Its not like it shoots magic lightning or anything....

Originally posted by abhilegend
Green Arrow has done that all. He was nearly exhausted by creating a single arrow because his will was cynical. No, he hasn't. Overcoming puppet master's control, seeing through an illusion that the rest of the defenders roster couldn't due to his will....high end superhuman will power feats.

But just to be clear, you're pretty much banking your argument on the notion that Namor won't be able to effectively use the ring or reach an elite status due to his powerful will being tainted by cynicism?

Also, even if he did, Hal has better feats, Supes still broke him

Originally posted by namorsubby
No, he hasn't. Overcoming puppet master's control, seeing through an illusion that the rest of the defenders roster couldn't due to his will....high end superhuman will power feats.

But just to be clear, you're pretty much banking your argument on the notion that Namor won't be able to effectively use the ring or reach an elite status due to his powerful will being tainted by cynicism?
I can bring up Ollie's feats too but who cares?

Essentially yes.

A simple construct to hold superman or cover his face for even a split second will be long enough for Namor to get close and stab him. You cant say thats not plausible. All it takes is a second. Like I said, with no trident Namor loses everytime.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Because nobody could genuinely think Superman could win, right?

If you're so sure that Superman has no chance of winning. why make the thread?

I thought perhaps the mods would serve to uphold the stated conditions of the battle and discourage simple cheerleading . I was wrong and that's why I said lock the thread.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
A simple construct to hold superman or cover his face for even a split second will be long enough for Namor to get close and stab him. You cant say thats not plausible. All it takes is a second. Like I said, with no trident Namor loses everytime.
Yeah, because superman doesn't have like 50 other senses to warn him.

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman #23.4

...Or at the very least, give a good argument as to how Namor will win.

I mean, I can post scans of Superman shattering John's GL constructs(Superman's strength>John's will.) I can also post scans of a no-name Kryptonian casually shattering the auto-shields of both Hal and John at the same time... And that's just the tip of the iceberg. This is Superman's fight to lose.

The argument is that an already physically powerful character capable of going toe to toe with the Hulk with a history of incredible willpower feats now has a powerful weapon fueled by willpower, thus making him that much more powerful . In addition, he has his own magic based cutting weapon that he could use to injure or kill Superman. He has one year of experience with the ring and he is already used to flying. Every argument for Superman so far eliminates or discounts the conditions with regard to Namor which defeats the purpose of the battle itself.

Its not quite like that.

Hal has a history of incredible willpower feats. Yet even his constructs were like paper to Superman, and he was being serious:


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tUxu0rwAFUM/TqF2indNS4I/AAAAAAAAAew/9e-FeYn8VIM/s1600/JL.jpg

Yes, Namor has high willpower feats too. No one is saying he doesn't.

We're just saying it wouldn't be enough to amp him.

^ That's like saying a GL ring would be meaningless to Superman if he fought Wonder Woman since she's shattered Hal's constructs with ease as well.

Originally posted by ODG
^ That's like saying a GL ring would be meaningless to Superman if he fought Wonder Woman since she's shattered Hal's constructs with ease as well.

Am sure Abhi will show you scans of Superman having higher willpower than Hal

Not to mention, strip the GL constructs away, and Superman would still be stronger and a better flier than WW.

^ It's still an amp. If you want to argue Namor wouldn't be able to use it effectively for it to matter, go ahead. Otherwise, we're talking about a guy who is one of the few characters in Marvel to outright defeat Hulk in direct combat. And he has a magic trident. And he now has a GL ring.

Would there be more reasonability in this thread if this were Superman vs. Aquaman + underwater amping + GL ring?

Originally posted by ODG
^ That's like saying a GL ring would be meaningless to Superman if he fought Wonder Woman since she's shattered Hal's constructs with ease as well.

True. Who exactly said SM could not break the constructs?

Yeah I have my doubts Namor in a year would be effective, many of the Green Lanterns (Not the main ones) have been training for longer and their considered to be fodder by most.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah I have my doubts Namor in a year would be effective, many of the Green Lanterns (Not the main ones) have been training for longer and their considered to be fodder by most.

Most of them don't already have the willpower, confidence and physical power of Namor not to mention his wealth of experience. As I mentioned, he can fly already. I don't see him needing to do anything elaborate with the ring. He would benefit from the amp, the extra protection and use constructs to occupy Superman enough to stab him. He could also use the ring as a means of delivering the trident. He should be able to find ways to do that in a few weeks.

Green Man disagrees.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Originally posted by -Pr-
Because nobody could genuinely think Superman could win, right?

If you're so sure that Superman has no chance of winning. why make the thread?

I thought perhaps the mods would serve to uphold the stated conditions of the battle and discourage simple cheerleading . I was wrong and that's why I said lock the thread.

Because your own behaviour and attitude has been absolutely stellar, right?

Just because you don't like the idea of Superman winning doesn't mean he can't win. Unless you intended this to be some sort of bait thread?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Because your own behaviour and attitude has been absolutely stellar, right?

Just because you don't like the idea of Superman winning doesn't mean he can't win. Unless you intended this to be some sort of bait thread?

First of all, I really don't care about the outcome, what I care about is posters debating based on the conditions presented. Other posters do as well, do you? You presumptuous commentary on me is ill founded as I never even said Namor would win. My attitude is great. I'm using the board for it's intended purpose, creating interesting, creative battles instead of repeating the same old tired battles over and over.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
First of all, I really don't care about the outcome, what I care about is posters debating based on the conditions presented. Other posters do as well, do you? You presumptuous commentary on me is ill founded as I never even said Namor would win. My attitude is great. I'm using the board for it's intended purpose, creating interesting, creative battles instead of repeating the same old tired battles over and over.

Making personal comments about people isn't what one would call a great attitude. And you've done it more than once.

You think Namor is on the cusp of beating top heralds? Fine, you're welcome to it. Not everyone agrees. I don't agree.

If you want to foster debate, that's good, but showing ignorance about things like Lantern rings and Superman himself isn't how you go about doing it. You say you never said Namor would win, and yet you consistently bring up things like time travel or argue for ways Namor can win using outdated information.

Can Namor win? Sure, he has a reasonable chance. Saying Superman is too fast for him isn't bad debating, it's an opinion based on logic, given the sheer amount of speed feats even the most recent version has.

Thinking Superman would win doesn't automatically make someone anti-Namor.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Making personal comments about people isn't what one would call a great attitude. And you've done it more than once.

You think Namor is on the cusp of beating top heralds? Fine, you're welcome to it. Not everyone agrees. I don't agree.

If you want to foster debate, that's good, but showing ignorance about things like Lantern rings and Superman himself isn't how you go about doing it. You say you never said Namor would win, and yet you consistently bring up things like time travel or argue for ways Namor can win using outdated information.

Can Namor win? Sure, he has a reasonable chance. Saying Superman is too fast for him isn't bad debating, it's an opinion based on logic, given the sheer amount of speed feats even the most recent version has.

Thinking Superman would win doesn't automatically make someone anti-Namor.

That's just it, no one said Superman would win because of the speed of advantage which is legit. Had someone said that I would not have argued against it. But that's not what people are saying. People are saying his heat vision would be too much while completely ignoring the fact that Namor has a GL rings for protection. Why didn't you accuse them of being ignorant about the GL rings? Your interpretation of why I brought up time travel is embarrassingly incorrect. I brought it up as an example of what GLs can do on the high end, I never said or suggested Namor would be able to do this. I said it in response to people who apparently thought creating shields was some sort of exotic task. So you just accused me of being ignorant when the simple matter is you failed to comprehend my statement.

And since you again suggested I have an issue with posters who believe Superman would win, I'll repeat myself by saying I did not vote in the battle and I do not care about the outcome of the votes. No one side is getting a paycheck for a win. Once I saw the way things were going and that a moderator was doing nothing to keep the debate balanced, I asked that the thread be locked. Those are the facts. Now you can try all you want to make this about me, but like I said, there are posters in this thread who are saying the same thing I am and you have been completely silent on those issues. it appears to me that at least in this thread you are far more interested in taking sides than you are moderating the battle.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Am sure Abhi will show you scans of Superman having higher willpower than Hal

Not to mention, strip the GL constructs away, and Superman would still be stronger and a better flier than WW.

If this was a DC gl against a marvel character, he would be making false claims that a GL could survived and antimatter wave in space, but since its not, he is silent when someone says GL Namor would fall to Superman's microwaves, even though he has been shown to be able to redirect such attacks on his own.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That's just it, no one said Superman would win because of the speed of advantage which is legit. Had someone said that I would not have argued against it. But that's not what people are saying. People are saying his heat vision would be too much while completely ignoring the fact that Namor has a GL rings for protection. Why didn't you accuse them of being ignorant about the GL rings? Your interpretation of why I brought up time travel is embarrassingly incorrect. I brought it up as an example of what GLs can do on the high end, I never said or suggested Namor would be able to do this. I said it in response to people who apparently thought creating shields was some sort of exotic task. So you just accused me of being ignorant when the simple matter is you failed to comprehend my statement.

And since you again suggested I have an issue with posters who believe Superman would win, I'll repeat myself by saying I did not vote in the battle and I do not care about the outcome of the votes. No one side is getting a paycheck for a win. Once I saw the way things were going and that a moderator was doing nothing to keep the debate balanced, I asked that the thread be locked. Those are the facts. Now you can try all you want to make this about me, but like I said, there are posters in this thread who are saying the same thing I am and you have been completely silent on those issues. it appears to me that at least in this thread you are far more interested in taking sides than you are moderating the battle.

At least one person mentioned speed. So did I, iirc.

So people are ignoring that gl auto shields have been pierced by much less than strong heat vision, which is not just heat itself? It isn't just a blast of heat, after all. It isn't ignorance to say that a GL's auto shields would get pierced by Superman's HV, because they've been shown as breakable before.

You want to accuse me of failing to comprehend things? Go ahead, it won't make any difference. GL rings at high end aren't capable of doing things like that anymore.

You still made several personal comments aimed at people supporting Superman.

Why should I pander to your needs when you so wilfully disregard one side's arguments?

You say they're facts, when they're not, nor have you proven them as such.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
If this was a DC gl against a marvel character, he would be making false claims that a GL could survived and antimatter wave in space, but since its not, he is silent when someone says GL Namor would fall to Superman's microwaves, even though he has been shown to be able to redirect such attacks on his own.

Please, don't patronise. Accusing people of bias just because they don't agree with you isn't helping your cause any either.

Originally posted by -Pr-
At least one person mentioned speed. So did I, iirc.

So people are ignoring that gl auto shields have been pierced by much less than strong heat vision, which is not just heat itself? It isn't just a blast of heat, after all. It isn't ignorance to say that a GL's auto shields would get pierced by Superman's HV, because they've been shown as breakable before.

You want to accuse me of failing to comprehend things? Go ahead, it won't make any difference. GL rings at high end aren't capable of doing things like that anymore.

You still made several personal comments aimed at people supporting Superman.

Why should I pander to your needs when you so wilfully disregard one side's arguments?

You say they're facts, when they're not, nor have you proven them as such.



Please, don't patronise. Accusing people of bias just because they don't agree with you isn't helping your cause any either.

I made no personal comments towards anyone and if you want to discipline me for it then be my guest. You're going to have to find them first. In doing so you would more than prove your bias as you let posters like get Abhi get away with personal comments on a daily basis. 0h, and thanks for ignoring the fact that other posters in the thread have said some of the same things I said for the third time.

If one poster did mention the speed advantage, thats great. Obviously I did not oppose him. On the other hand, I saw at least one other poster complain about what a Superman jerk fest this board has become.

Originally posted by ODG


Would there be more reasonability in this thread if this were Superman vs. Aquaman + underwater amping + GL ring?

No. Because AM sucks, as do all of his fans.

And Blue AV, I personally didn't argue about the speed advantage because Namor has been shown to have pretty good speed feats of his own. If you think SM could speed blitz him, that's fair enough.

But you're wrong

Stop lowballing Namor, you Superlover.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I made no personal comments towards anyone and if you want to discipline me for it then be my guest. You're going to have to find them first. In doing so you would more than prove your bias as you let posters like get Abhi get away with personal comments on a daily basis. 0h, and thanks for ignoring the fact that other posters in the thread have said some of the same things I said for the third time.

If one poster did mention the speed advantage, thats great. Obviously I did not oppose him. On the other hand, I saw at least one other poster complain about what a Superman jerk fest this board has become.

Two for starters:

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm not sure most of the people in this thread have actually done that.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Most of these guys would sell their children to wank Superman one last time. I post far less than I used to because of this. They approach battles thinking "How will my boy win this time?"

And that's not even counting your smarmy comments about mods and how I apparently never discipline Abhi. Ask him yourself.

How about you just get back on topic and we'll leave it at that?

Originally posted by ODG
^ It's still an amp. If you want to argue Namor wouldn't be able to use it effectively for it to matter, go ahead. Otherwise, we're talking about a guy who is one of the few characters in Marvel to outright defeat Hulk in direct combat. And he has a magic trident. And he now has a GL ring.

Would there be more reasonability in this thread if this were Superman vs. Aquaman + underwater amping + GL ring?

This...

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
even though he has been shown to be able to redirect such attacks on his own.

When was this? I saw Stilt's scan:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/308/1717642-namorfeat241uq.gif

Radioactive power...I dunno, debateable if that means the same as microwave/HV, but you think so, agree to disagree.

Also, you accept that SM is faster than Namor....fast enough to win.

Would he be fast enough to use his HV to win? Or are you imagining a speedblitz or a flurry of punches? Surely a lightspeed attack would be faster than a physical attack?

IOW, if SM is fast enough to punch Namor to win, he should be even faster with lightspeed attacks (i.e. beams from his eyes).

This would be even more so if you believe Namor is more durable to physical attacks (he took on Savage Hulk after all) than to being dehydrated/microwaved.

It is a good thread, and I can see what you were trying to do (i.e. give Namor a good chance of giving an interesting fight), and he does, but SM for me still wins. Admittedly I started getting cavalier with my exchange with Stiltman, but he's a d!ck, and I hate him so much.

But damn, do I respect him.

Namor would do better than Aquaman would, tbh. At most, Aquaman would do no better or worse than Namor does in this fight, imo.

The only advantage Aquaman would have is that he'd planned for fighting the League before, but I have no idea what that might mean.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When was this? I saw Stilt's scan:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/308/1717642-namorfeat241uq.gif

Radioactive power...I dunno, debateable if that means the same as microwave/HV, but you think so, agree to disagree.

Also, you accept that SM is faster than Namor....fast enough to win.

Would he be fast enough to use his HV to win? Or are you imagining a speedblitz or a flurry of punches? Surely a lightspeed attack would be faster than a physical attack?

IOW, if SM is fast enough to punch Namor to win, he should be even faster with lightspeed attacks (i.e. beams from his eyes).


This would be even more so if you believe Namor is more durable to physical attacks (he took on Savage Hulk after all) than to being dehydrated/microwaved.

It is a good thread, and I can see what you were trying to do (i.e. give Namor a good chance of giving an interesting fight), and he does, but SM for me still wins. Admittedly I started getting cavalier with my exchange with Stiltman, but he's a d!ck, and I hate him so much.

But damn, do I respect him.

Wow, I was done with this thread and then you go and make an intelligent, articulate, respectful post like this. Well, although the speed advantage is clear, the question with Superman is what would cause him to speed blitz early in the fight? The only way he would go all out with speed if if he perceives the threat to be so powerful that it is a threat to Superman and the rest of his cohorts, which would constitute a threat to society in general. Once Superman sees GL Namor, not only would he not see a Doomsday level opponent, he would see a member of a familiar galactic policing force, even if he does look like Black Adam's big brother :-) . A speed attack is very unlikely.

Secondly, based on Namor's history and not just the scan, it is very likely he would redirect a microwave attack. Here is Namor opening up to take a repulsor ray blast and redirecting it with NO problem:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102887/1991012-namor_d3.jpg

Then you have to factor in fact that it would be his will to redirect the attack and the GL power will play a huge role if needed.

I really don't see a clear advantage for Superman outside of extending the fight way out. On the other hand, Superman would have no reason to believe his Trident is magical. Namor could even disguise it with green energy to make it even more unsuspecting. Thanks for the response.

Namor winning depends on how well he learned that ring

Originally posted by Firefly218
Namor winning depends on how well he learned that ring

As I mentioned, he would not need to learn anything exotic to be effective IMO. He needs it for protection and padding his stats and he has the willpower to do it.

Normal Namor would give Superman a hellava fight. Namor with this type of amp would kill Supes imo.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When was this? I saw Stilt's scan:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/308/1717642-namorfeat241uq.gif

Radioactive power...I dunno, debateable if that means the same as microwave/HV, but you think so, agree to disagree.

Also, you accept that SM is faster than Namor....fast enough to win.

Would he be fast enough to use his HV to win? Or are you imagining a speedblitz or a flurry of punches? Surely a lightspeed attack would be faster than a physical attack?

IOW, if SM is fast enough to punch Namor to win, he should be even faster with lightspeed attacks (i.e. beams from his eyes).

This would be even more so if you believe Namor is more durable to physical attacks (he took on Savage Hulk after all) than to being dehydrated/microwaved.

It is a good thread, and I can see what you were trying to do (i.e. give Namor a good chance of giving an interesting fight), and he does, but SM for me still wins. Admittedly I started getting cavalier with my exchange with Stiltman, but he's a d!ck, and I hate him so much.

But damn, do I respect him.

http://i41.tinypic.com/50o4dz.png

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wow, I was done with this thread and then you go and make an intelligent, articulate, respectful post like this. Well, although the speed advantage is clear, the question with Superman is what would cause him to speed blitz early in the fight? The only way he would go all out with speed if if he perceives the threat to be so powerful that it is a threat to Superman and the rest of his cohorts, which would constitute a threat to society in general. Once Superman sees GL Namor, not only would he not see a Doomsday level opponent, he would see a member of a familiar galactic policing force, even if he does look like Black Adam's big brother :-) . A speed attack is very unlikely.

Secondly, based on Namor's history and not just the scan, it is very likely he would redirect a microwave attack. Here is Namor opening up to take a repulsor ray blast and redirecting it with NO problem:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102887/1991012-namor_d3.jpg

Then you have to factor in fact that it would be his will to redirect the attack and the GL power will play a huge role if needed.

I really don't see a clear advantage for Superman outside of extending the fight way out. On the other hand, Superman would have no reason to believe his Trident is magical. Namor could even disguise it with green energy to make it even more unsuspecting. Thanks for the response.

Dual repulsor rays and a uni-beam.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, because superman doesn't have like 50 other senses to warn him. Thats great, doesent matter what his senses are and I doubt he has 50. A construct around the face to disorient him for a just a second is long enough for the now much faster Namor to fly up and stab him. That is pretty much his one and only optioin to winning this fight

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, because superman doesn't have like 50 other senses to warn him. Thats great, doesent matter what his senses are and I doubt he has 50. A construct around the face to disorient him for a just a second is long enough for the now much faster Namor to fly up and stab him. That is pretty much his one and only option to winning this fight

Superman would know the trident is magical...

I am sure he would but if all of the sudden there is constructs covering his entire head, wrapped around his arms and his legs and another construct of a crowbar whacking him in the balls. And another construct shaped like a poker iron stabbingnhimninnthe butt.He is going to have his hands full getting free and being distracted while Namor flies up and stabs him. Even if it takes him less than a second that is still enough time for Namor to stab him.

And Im not even saying thats an instant win. This is Supes fight to lose but people acting like there is no chance of him losing are being irrational and I hate to say it but a tad fanboyish/girlish.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I am sure he would but if all of the sudden there is constructs covering his entire head, wrapped around his arms and his legs and another construct of a crowbar whacking him in the balls. And another construct shaped like a poker iron stabbingnhimninnthe butt.He is going to have his hands full getting free and being distracted while Namor flies up and stabs him. Even if it takes him less than a second that is still enough time for Namor to stab him.

How about multiple constructs identical to the Trident?

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I am sure he would but if all of the sudden there is constructs covering his entire head, wrapped around his arms and his legs and another construct of a crowbar whacking him in the balls. And another construct shaped like a poker iron stabbingnhimninnthe butt.He is going to have his hands full getting free and being distracted while Namor flies up and stabs him. Even if it takes him less than a second that is still enough time for Namor to stab him.

So while Namor is doing all of this, presumably, Superman is doing what, nothing?

Do we ignore that he's smashed constructs before? That his senses are so heightened that he doesn't need his eyes to hear/smell an enemy getting closer? That he can use his speed to get away from constructs?

Namor isn't Hal Jordan, even with a year of practice. Sure, the ring will help, but I find it hard to believe Superman can't overcome it, given what he's done on panel.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
And Im not even saying thats an instant win. This is Supes fight to lose but people acting like there is no chance of him losing are being irrational and I hate to say it but a tad fanboyish/girlish.

Sure Namor has a chance to win. The question just becomes one of "who do you think is more likely to win".

I would say Superman.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wow, I was done with this thread and then you go and make an intelligent, articulate, respectful post like this. Well, although the speed advantage is clear, the question with Superman is what would cause him to speed blitz early in the fight? The only way he would go all out with speed if if he perceives the threat to be so powerful that it is a threat to Superman and the rest of his cohorts, which would constitute a threat to society in general. Once Superman sees GL Namor, not only would he not see a Doomsday level opponent, he would see a member of a familiar galactic policing force, even if he does look like Black Adam's big brother :-) . A speed attack is very unlikely.

Secondly, based on Namor's history and not just the scan, it is very likely he would redirect a microwave attack. Here is Namor opening up to take a repulsor ray blast and redirecting it with NO problem:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/102887/1991012-namor_d3.jpg

Then you have to factor in fact that it would be his will to redirect the attack and the GL power will play a huge role if needed.

I really don't see a clear advantage for Superman outside of extending the fight way out. On the other hand, Superman would have no reason to believe his Trident is magical. Namor could even disguise it with green energy to make it even more unsuspecting. Thanks for the response.

No problem.

This is kinda the problem you get when fighting speedsters (Flash is obv also a problem). Like you say, Superman isn't HVing from the get go. Probably wouldn't even be attacking first. But as soon as the BA-lookalike (my gf always gets them mixed up) starts wrapping constructs around Superman, he'd break out...and Namor would be thrusting himself towards him with the trident, screaming Imperius Rex.

So far, so conceivable?

Now, your next sequence of events, I assume, is that Superman attempts to tank the trident, not knowing what it is.

That assumes A: he can't detect any magic coming from the trident, B: that he's in a comic and is 'stupid' Superman, and C: as soon as the trident starts to pierce him, he doesn't move away from it using his superspeed.

In a comic, you're right, he'll probably stand his ground and puff his chest out.

In a forum fight, I believe he will dodge/block/whatever away from the trident, then size his foe up. Knowing he's at a disadvantage going close up, he goes to HV.

In a forum fight Supes would react to Namors raw machoness by dropping his pants and bending over.

Originally posted by Mshinu
In a forum fight Supes would react to Namors raw machoness by dropping his pants and bending over.

....I think.

So you are telling me that Superman is so good, constructs would not even SLOW him down, and he would automatically detect Namor's trident is magical even if it was masked with GL energy and was one in a group of replicas? I don' t see Superman putting together these powers in this manner in "reality." If this was the case, Superman would have no competition in comics and this is not the case. Superman is less than the sum of his parts. Also, if you are going to argue high end for Superman, then HV would surelu be deflected by GL Namor per the examples given.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So you are telling me that Superman is so good, constructs would not even SLOW him down, and he would automatically detect Namor's trident is magical even if it was masked with GL energy and was one in a group of replicas? I don' t see Superman putting together these powers in this manner in "reality." If this was the case, Superman would have no competition in comics and this is not the case. Superman is less than the sum of his parts. Also, if you are going to argue high end for Superman, then HV would surelu be deflected by GL Namor per the examples given.

Nobody said constructs wouldn't slow him down.

Superman would know the trident is magical because of having standard information about Namor. And even if it wasn't, how would GL energy mask magic?

Superman can see in different spectrums though, so no, a GL replica won't fool him.

I don't know who you're saying is arguing high end for Superman.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
So you are telling me that Superman is so good, constructs would not even SLOW him down, and he would automatically detect Namor's trident is magical even if it was masked with GL energy and was one in a group of replicas? I don' t see Superman putting together these powers in this manner in "reality." If this was the case, Superman would have no competition in comics and this is not the case. Superman is less than the sum of his parts. Also, if you are going to argue high end for Superman, then HV would surelu be deflected by GL Namor per the examples given.

....

Aren't you giving Namor a lot of help?

Which is to say, why would he even think to mask it with GL energy/create replicas?

It's not like GLs have experience with this, or Namor is the type to employ subterfuge. As for putting these powers together in this manner, all I used was first strength (to break out) speed (to dodge) and then HV. Putting powers together in a weird combo would be freezing Namor to hold him in ice for a few seconds, vibrating his way out of any attack then HV from orbit or something silly like that. Or just using his speed to steal the ring from him - Batman did it to GL Hal, after all.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Nobody said constructs wouldn't slow him down.

Superman would know the trident is magical because of having standard information about Namor. And even if it wasn't, how would GL energy mask magic?

Superman can see in different spectrums though, so no, a GL replica won't fool him.

I don't know who you're saying is arguing high end for Superman.

For starters you are. As is the case with super speed, he does not have powers like seeing in different spectrums "turned on." Even with super hearing, it was shown that he pauses to concentrate, leaving him momentarily vulnerable. What I am seeing from some posters is an atypical scenario in which he is utilizing all powers to the fullest, at the same time in real time. Like I said, if this was truly the case, a man with infinite strength and speed fast enough to exceed light would have NO competition. DC Hercules is one of countless opponents with FAR less speed that was able to strike him in the face and make him beed. Where was his fabled reaction time? The fact of the matter is that he does not use his powers and/or they fail him on a regular basis, yet in battle discussions, posters often make it a habit of stringing together his powers at there highest levels. I could make the argument based on using his power set in a certain manner that Superskrull would defeat Thor 100% of the time.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
....

Aren't you giving Namor a lot of help?

Which is to say, why would he even think to mask it with GL energy/create replicas?

It's not like GLs have experience with this, or Namor is the type to employ subterfuge. As for putting these powers together in this manner, all I used was first strength (to break out) speed (to dodge) and then HV. Putting powers together in a weird combo would be freezing Namor to hold him in ice for a few seconds, vibrating his way out of any attack then HV from orbit or something silly like that. Or just using his speed to steal the ring from him - Batman did it to GL Hal, after all.

Simple, it would be a sound tactical strategy that I think one with the experience of Namor could come up with, not that he would have to.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Simple, it would be a sound tactical strategy that I think one with the experience of Namor could come up with, not that he would have to.

How would he know he needed to cloak the trident, or that it would be effective? And at the same time, his own weakness to heat is hidden from Supes, and Supes will not come up with a strategy?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How would he know he needed to cloak the trident, or that it would be effective? And at the same time, his own weakness to heat is hidden from Supes, and Supes will not come up with a strategy?

How would he know the Trident would be effective? I really don't understand the premise of that question. His trident is his weapon that he's familiar with and he will try to use it. I don't think any other explanation is needed. Why would he not think it would be effective?

To answer your first question, if there is light double sided prep which is typical, I still don't think Superman would know the Trident is magical because Namor rarely uses it, but if he did, then obviously he would take measures to avoid it and Namor would formulate his strategy around trying to deliver a death blow with Trident. In this case, he would use constructs in a variety of ways to overcome Supermans defenses. Whoever is more successful in this area wins the fight.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
For starters you are. As is the case with super speed, he does not have powers like seeing in different spectrums "turned on." Even with super hearing, it was shown that he pauses to concentrate, leaving him momentarily vulnerable. What I am seeing from some posters is an atypical scenario in which he is utilizing all powers to the fullest, at the same time in real time. Like I said, if this was truly the case, a man with infinite strength and speed fast enough to exceed light would have NO competition. DC Hercules is one of countless opponents with FAR less speed that was able to strike him in the face and make him beed. Where was his fabled reaction time? The fact of the matter is that he does not use his powers and/or they fail him on a regular basis, yet in battle discussions, posters often make it a habit of stringing together his powers at there highest levels. I could make the argument based on using his power set in a certain manner that Superskrull would defeat Thor 100% of the time.

I'm actually not. Superman can multi-task, as he has done in the past many times. He's not going to just stand there like some feeb and let Namor wail on him. Why would he?

It amuses me that you talk about people trying to put Superman in to the best light possible and not accounting for his vulnerabilities, when you're doing the exact same thing for Namor.

Supes has used his reactions and speed many times. You can't ignore them just because you don't like them. The reason he doesn't use them 100% of the time is so there is actually a comic to read. It would be pretty boring if he just stomped everything in a single panel.

Originally posted by emporerpants
The reason he doesn't use them 100% of the time is so there is actually a comic to read. It would be pretty boring if he just stomped everything in a single panel.

I believe I just said that. Regardless of the 5th wall explanation, overwhelmingly he does not use his powers at their highest levels all the time in the most effective sequences. The character is constantly dumbed way down in or to write a coherent story. Even his own company has blown up his comic book universe in part to depower him to workable levels.

Using his many senses to hear bullets across the world or look at different spectrums isn't using them at their highest levels, though.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
How would he know the Trident would be effective? I really don't understand the premise of that question. His trident is his weapon that he's familiar with and he will try to use it. I don't think any other explanation is needed. Why would he not think it would be effective?

To answer your first question, if there is light double sided prep which is typical, I still don't think Superman would know the Trident is magical because Namor rarely uses it, but if he did, then obviously he would take measures to avoid it and Namor would formulate his strategy around trying to deliver a death blow with Trident. In this case, he would use constructs in a variety of ways to overcome Supermans defenses. Whoever is more successful in this area wins the fight.

As in, how would he know Superman and magical weapons don't mix? Having practised for a year with his ring, wouldn't he be relying on that more, as opposed to the trident?

I guess it all boils down to how you think Superman fights, I guess. Namor will undoubtedly be more 'bloodlusted' than Superman, but I don't think he will resort to hiding his trident by masking it with his ring or creating multiple clones etc - subterfuge doesn't really seem Namor's strong point.

I guess I'm just clinging to the full capacity rule/no PIS rules here.

Superman isn't killing Namor. But weakening him/knocking him out? Well within the boundaries of belief. As for the times he's gone toe to toe with Savage Hulk....Hulk doesn't have Namor's Kryptonite in addition to his strength.

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Namor stomps. Not even SuperPr can argue against it now that I posted his awesome theme song.

FFS.

I change my vote. All hail the Avenging Son!!!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As in, how would he know Superman and magical weapons don't mix? Having practised for a year with his ring, wouldn't he be relying on that more, as opposed to the trident?

I guess it all boils down to how you think Superman fights, I guess. Namor will undoubtedly be more 'bloodlusted' than Superman, but I don't think he will resort to hiding his trident by masking it with his ring or creating multiple clones etc - subterfuge doesn't really seem Namor's strong point.

I guess I'm just clinging to the full capacity rule/no PIS rules here.

Superman isn't killing Namor. But weakening him/knocking him out? Well within the boundaries of belief. As for the times he's gone toe to toe with Savage Hulk....Hulk doesn't have Namor's Kryptonite in addition to his strength.

I'm saying there is no reason for Namor to NOT think his magical trident wouldn't cut Superman or anyone else. Superman's "weakness" to magic doesn't have to come into play.

If by Namor's kryponite you mean HV, I don't know what else to say. I have showed examples of him redirecting energy blasts and I have mentioned the GL protection too many times in this thread. If Superman has Namor's kryptonite, then this version of Namor has on a lead suit.

I was going to say Superman but then saw the Namor song.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I'm saying there is no reason for Namor to NOT think his magical trident wouldn't cut Superman or anyone else. Superman's "weakness" to magic doesn't have to come into play.

If by Namor's kryponite you mean HV, I don't know what else to say. I have showed examples of him redirecting energy blasts and I have mentioned the GL protection too many times in this thread. If Superman has Namor's kryptonite, then this version of Namor has on a lead suit.

I know you've shown the two instances. I am sure with Namor's long history, and Marvel's lack of retcons, that I'd be able to show more instances of heat affecting him, all of which would still be applicable to him (sans suit).

And I take your point about the protection given by the GL ring. But even Hal (who really is my go to guy in this) needs all of his focus and willpower just to throw up shields to slow Superman down.

You've got Namor doing constructs which will 'slow' Supes down. For that to occur, they'd have to be pretty strong, yes? That requires a lot of focus/concentration to maintain. I really don't think he'd be able to, even with practice, then be able to shield himself from superspeed punches/HV.

You might want to rethink that lead suit. Lead melts at 327 degrees C.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I know you've shown the two instances. I am sure with Namor's long history, and Marvel's lack of retcons, that I'd be able to show more instances of heat affecting him, all of which would still be applicable to him (sans suit).

And I take your point about the protection given by the GL ring. But even Hal (who really is my go to guy in this) needs all of his focus and willpower just to throw up shields to slow Superman down.

You've got Namor doing constructs which will 'slow' Supes down. For that to occur, they'd have to be pretty strong, yes? That requires a lot of focus/concentration to maintain. I really don't think he'd be able to, even with practice, then be able to shield himself from superspeed punches/HV.

You might want to rethink that lead suit. Lead melts at 327 degrees C.

Okay, I will address your points, but I have start with your reply to the lead suit. It was an anaolgy! :-) Please read it
again and you will get it.

As far as Hal needing to concentrate, I don't believe his mind/ willpower feats without the ring come close to Namor's. Namor would be incredible with a GL ring not because of skill and experience, but because of the strength of his mind and his willpower.

Also, Namor would benefit from the added protection of the ring, but unlike Hal, he does not need for it to protect him fully as he is litterly millions of times more durable than Hal to begin with. Look at what the ring did for Sodom Yat.

Finally, two examples of Namor redirecting energy attacks were offered as evidence, one older one newer. There are many more examples, however, this is not a respect thread. The point is he can and does deflect/redirect energy attacks of all sorts. I believe that with the added protection offered by the GL ring that protects wielders from the rigors of space, will be more than enough protection against Supermans heat ray vision.