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How powerful is he?

All I know is that this guy can drain like nobody's buisiness, but does he have any other talents? In TK (no amps), saber ability? Lightning feats?

How does he compare to

Lord Vitiate
Darth Bane
Exar Kun
Darth Krayt

HoT
Barsen'Thor
Nomi Sunrider
Satele Shan

He's one of the absolute most powerful Sith Lords. A definite contender for the title of Most Powerful imo.

Lord Vitiate - equal
Darth Bane - equal
Exar Kun - equal
Darth Krayt - above

HoT - equal
Barsen'Thor - above
Nomi Sunrider - above
Satele Shan - above

He's the strongest Sith Lord that we've seen thus far, insofar as a forum fight. He'd take any of the others lunch monkey, imo.

Old news, and those Sith you mentioned are so old news. I've made it a mission to start collecting info on the EU.

There's so much out there, one Jedi in between ROTJ and the New Jedi Order series, I believe it was in the novel "Darksaber", subject 81 or something, channeled the Force energies of some 30 Jedi and used telekenesis to obliterate an entire fleet of 17 Imperial Star Destroyers! Sidious could some Force storms to consume entire fleets, Gethzerion (a Nightsister like Talzin) slaughtered hundreds of Storm Troopers and gave Luke Skywalker a stroke by tapping him in the forehead, the crazed Dark Jedi clone of C'boath mind ****ed Luke, Mara, Jade, and Leia simultaneously while manipulating Luke's battle with his clone - and was proven to be slightly more dangerous than Sidious in ROTJ along with Gethzerion. Exar Kun ripped Luke Skywalker's soul from his body, Kyp Durron blew Luke across a room when trying to test his Force sensitivity, and mastered Zannah's dark side tendrils, cryokinesis, and sith lightning to such a degree that he effortlessly disarmed Luke Skywalker before Kun removed his soul. Darth Vader could use Red Sith lightning through his cybernetics and both him and his son's abilities were increased a thousand fold due to the amp of the Kaiburr Crystal when wielded within the Temple of Pumajema (Son). Naga Sadow used his crystals to destroy entire stars, Vitiate obliterated close to a dozen Sith Lords in a flash of light after gaining powers and immortality from his ritual on Nathema - DE Sidious, Vitiate, and Nihilus all ended up deteriorating and unable to do much against noobs.

If you read the EU you will understand the complexities of the more esoteric abilities, and you'll realize that the Skywalker family had the greatest Force sensitivity followed by the descendants of Allya on Dathomir, followed by the Red Sith species. Thought the nature of Allyan Magickz allowed the Nightsisters to produce the more powerful Force wielders out of those three groups - especially when they used the dark side and siphoned off of Son's energy.

Ultimately, these deities were more powerful even than Force wielding celestials. In a non-canon story Anakin reaches his full potential in the Dark Side when possessed by Son similarly to how Exar Kun possessed Kyp Durron and Abeloth possessed her hosts. Then there are Luke's exploits in the New Jedi Order Series, when you combine all Luke's feats you get someone just like Son Anakin, able to overpower Abeloth at times.

Really, Darth Plagueis could have been stronger than all these little creatures.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's one of the absolute most powerful Sith Lords. A definite contender for the title of Most Powerful imo.

Lord Vitiate - equal
Darth Bane - equal
Exar Kun - equal
Darth Krayt - above

HoT - equal
Barsen'Thor - above
Nomi Sunrider - above
Satele Shan - above

Is this based off only his drain? Or could he beat Krayt, Sunrider, and Shan through other means?

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
He's the strongest Sith Lord that we've seen thus far, insofar as a forum fight. He'd take any of the others lunch monkey, imo. Vitiate had far more raw power directly proceeding the act; and easily had the arcane knowledge to obliterate a hapless wound like Nihilus. Abeloth would rip either of them apart, she's needed to feed for millions of years to survive, and she cannot embody this realm anymore unless through a host.

Luke Skywalker as of FoTJ could harness enough light side energy to blow Abeloth's host apart and send here reeling back to the beyond shadows, Vitiate and Nihilus would prove even more defenseless against such a master of the light side.

Why bring up Abeloth?

Why not?

Originally posted by XRKun
Is this based off only his drain? Or could he beat Krayt, Sunrider, and Shan through other means?

TK. Plus he's just generally more powerful than them by quite a lot.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's one of the absolute most powerful Sith Lords. A definite contender for the title of Most Powerful imo.

Lord Vitiate - equal
Darth Bane - equal
Exar Kun - equal
Darth Krayt - above

HoT - equal
Barsen'Thor - above
Nomi Sunrider - above
Satele Shan - above You don't know a lot about Vitiate apparently. How would Bane or Kun combat a wound that's grown as much as Nihilus?

Originally posted by Dolos
You don't know a lot about Vitiate apparently. How would Bane or Kun combat a wound that's grown as much as Nihilus?

I probably know more than you about Vitiate.

The same way the Exile beat him I imagine.

Nihilus is a spirit that's inhabiting his suit of armor, if you destroy his armor then logically he'd be vanquished. Also Kun has shown that he can use his amulet to combat spirits, so its possible that he could use it similarly on Nihilus to destroy him.

Originally posted by Tzeentch._
He's the strongest Sith Lord that we've seen thus far, insofar as a forum fight. He'd take any of the others lunch monkey, imo.

No.

Nihilus isn't some insurmountable force God.

He is a Force God however.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He is a Force God however.

No.

I think Nihilus is one of the few guys we can say is just so far above the rest as to be godlike in his abilities and being imo.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nihilus is a spirit that's inhabiting his suit of armor, if you destroy his armor then logically he'd be vanquished. Also Kun has shown that he can use his amulet to combat spirits, so its possible that he could use it similarly on Nihilus to destroy him.

The Exile was a wound, and she destroyed Visas Marr, who shared a bond with Nihilus, Visas Marr's destruction as well as Nihilus' instinct to try and drain another wound lead to his being severely weakened.

Kun and Bane have prep?

Nihilus' weakness might be above Bane's head. Kun's glove would be destroyed by Nihilus' powers before he could get close - Kun doesn't have the power to resist Nihilus under normal circumstances. Vitiate did.

Nah.

Nihilus' powers were possibly ample to destroy DE Sidous as well, Tempest. The energies of Byss would feed the wound as well as the Emperor, so that gives him no help. Sidious would have no idea how to deal with a being like Nihilus.

As Plagueis explained, there's a difference between having a profound academic knowledge of the dark side, and actually being able to wield the capabilities therein. Sidious contained all of what his master contained, and like his master he'd learned to become a spirit, but chose essence transfer over midi-chlorian manipulation. Sidious also grasped and utilized mass planetary Force drain, thought suppression, and could increase the power of his subjects - and could supposedly dominate the minds of whom he inhabited. Nihilus could do some of these, but was a wound and therefore immune to Force drain as was Meetra Surik.

Sidious' pool eventually surpassed Plagueis and all other "Sith", save Vitiate. Nihilus wasn't really a Sith, more of a being altered by the dark side, like Abeloth, but the mass shadow generator wasn't exactly like the Pool of Knowledge and both Vitiate and Abeloth were greater in power than Nihilus.

Originally posted by Dolos
The Exile was a wound, and she destroyed Visas Marr, who shared a bond with Nihilus, Visas Marr's destruction as well as Nihilus' instinct to try and drain another wound lead to his being severely weakened.

Kun and Bane have prep?

Nihilus' weakness might be above Bane's head. Kun's glove would be destroyed by Nihilus' powers before he could get close - Kun doesn't have the power to resist Nihilus under normal circumstances. Vitiate did.

Sure, but that doesn't mean that he had to be weakened to be destroyed. You lightsaber him enough and he'd die weakened or not. In the end he was defeated in battle.

They don't need prep, its always the goal to destroy your opponents physical body, which in this case is Nihilus' armor. They'd fight him just as they would any other enemy. Plus they do both possess Force senses, so they could likely tell Nihilus is an abomination and act accordingly.

It might, but that doesn't matter since he'd still try to either slice him up with a lightsaber, or destroy him with his Force powers. As for Kun, thats debatable. And I only said they were equal to him, not that they'd win.

Originally posted by XRKun
Is this based off only his drain? Or could he beat Krayt, Sunrider, and Shan through other means?

It's his drain.

You're both forgetting something - a quote by Plagueis; "The Force provides", if a Sith is greater in the Force and has a few basic skill sets like the augmentation of reaction times, physical stats, TK, lightning, etc. than a being that is ten times stronger in the Force will have abilities that are ten times more lethal.

It's not just his ability to Force drain.

Nihilus is pretty much a cosmic Force of nature, like Marvel's Phoenix or something. Or a better example might be Galactus, except Nihilus doesn't wear a stupid hat.

Don't bring comic-dom into this. If anything Plagueis' experiment destroyed Krypton. Not making this up.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Nihilus is pretty much a cosmic Force of nature, like Marvel's Phoenix or something. Or a better example might be Galactus, except Nihilus doesn't wear a stupid hat.

I actually really like this comparison. This makes Visas the Silver Surfer, and the Exile definitely gets to tap Visas whenever she wants. Thus, by the transitive property of banging, I (as the player) get to bang Silver Surfer.

Except Visas does not look like the inside of a Christmas ornament, sounds about right.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's one of the absolute most powerful Sith Lords. A definite contender for the title of Most Powerful imo.

Lord Vitiate - equal
Darth Bane - equal
Exar Kun - equal
Darth Krayt - above

HoT - equal
Barsen'Thor - above
Nomi Sunrider - above
Satele Shan - above


I think, perhaps Vitiate excepted, he'd do about equally well with each of those. Either his force drain works, or they outfight him.

(And personally, I put Bane/Kun/Krayt at roughly the same tier. The 'best of an era, but not-cheaty-like-Nihilus-or-Vit tier)

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's one of the absolute most powerful Sith Lords. A definite contender for the title of Most Powerful imo.

Darth Bane - equal




I wanted to ask something about this. Many people think (DoE Bane) is below the likes of Maul. Why do you place him on such a high pedestal? Note that i'm not trying to be aggressive or saying you're wrong in any way.

Because he'd ****ing obliterate Maul?

Bane has stupidly powerful feats and is a complete combat monster. His lightning can turn people to ash and his TK can disintegrate. He's got some of the best speed feats in the mythos. He's one of the most well-versed Sith with many holocrons worth of knowledge. In all aspects of combat Bane stands near the top.

Tempest just puts him below Maul based on the stupid, nonsensical assumption that the Sith continuously improved over 1000 years so Maul must be better than Bane. Which is retarded since Maul is explicitly an exception to that idea since he didn't grow better than his master.

Also, Neph is one of the biggest Bane fanboys around.

Not really.

lol

no, but what im wondering is: Alot of those stupidly powerful feats are done with orbalisks. Do they not amp him as much as everyone thinks they do (power wise)?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
no, but what im wondering is: Alot of those stupidly powerful feats are done with orbalisks. Do they not amp him as much as everyone thinks they do (power wise)?

If they do is rather irrelevant, since this would imply peak-Bane has orbalisks. Same reason why peak-Kun has amulets and no one argues "Kun minus amulets but as a Sith lord" as a viable construct.

Bane even with Maul? That doesn't even begin to make sense.

And this is how we always skip from our beloved Nihilus.

Originally posted by Oneness
Vitiate had far more raw power directly proceeding the act; and easily had the arcane knowledge to obliterate a hapless wound like Nihilus. Abeloth would rip either of them apart, she's needed to feed for millions of years to survive, and she cannot embody this realm anymore unless through a host.

Luke Skywalker as of FoTJ could harness enough light side energy to blow Abeloth's host apart and send here reeling back to the beyond shadows, Vitiate and Nihilus would prove even more defenseless against such a master of the light side.

Enlight me how it is that Vitiate has more raw Force power than blackholynes himself? Don't you mean the opposite!?

How can he nom nom Nihilus!? How can Abeloth nom nom a blackhole!?

How could Luke be not nom nom by Nihilus?

Muscles(stronger in Force) doesn't have any relevance against cancer(Nihilus)

You're silly.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because he'd ****ing obliterate Maul?

Bane has stupidly powerful feats and is a complete combat monster. His lightning can turn people to ash and his TK can disintegrate. He's got some of the best speed feats in the mythos. He's one of the most well-versed Sith with many holocrons worth of knowledge. In all aspects of combat Bane stands near the top.

Tempest just puts him below Maul based on the stupid, nonsensical assumption that the Sith continuously improved over 1000 years so Maul must be better than Bane. Which is retarded since Maul is explicitly an exception to that idea since he didn't grow better than his master.

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Originally posted by XRKun
How powerful is he?

All I know is that this guy can drain like nobody's buisiness, but does he have any other talents? In TK (no amps), saber ability? Lightning feats?

How does he compare to
Lord Vitiate--dunno
Darth Bane---a lot better
Exar Kun--a bit worse
Darth Krayt--a bit worse

HoT--better
Barsen'Thor--better
Nomi Sunrider--dunno, probably better
Satele Shan--better

Nihilus' TK is godly. Even at his weakest he held an entire starfleet together. Saber ability is at least on par with the Exile who's a master of most saber forms in her own right. Probably greater, actually, even when weakened.

If you calculate Nihilus's energy needed to rip the ravager from Orbi and keep it maintained it's only a bit higher than the energy Galen used to move the Star destroyer that was falling in all honesty. In Raw power he's approaching levels of some ancient Sith.

He's really powerful, but only carries his saber around as an ornament.

Vitiate's canonically superior to him, though. He's probably more powerful than anybody else the OP listed but immeasurably worse in sabers.

Nihilus was - excluding Revan, Vitiate and his Empire - the most powerful guy of his Era. He knew the techniques against which there were no defence - according to Kreia. Like Force push!