Originally posted by Galan007
1/2
You asked why he doesn't always hit that hard. I gave you the reason WHY he doesn't always hit that hard. Now you're arguing with the reason, too? Lol.
Wally usually holds back as well. That doesn't stop him from fighting to his full potential on KMC.
His best showing of punching-power is delivering multiple Superman-level punches. Why on earth you're equating Dianna not being KO'd by said punches into a low feat for Zoom is beyond me. Frankly, you're doing everything you can to low-ball Zoom at this point. It's just silly, tbh.
He holds back against most opponents, because he only wants to make them betterrrr. So yes, he does pull his punches when he needs to. If he were to hit Impulse, for example, with a Superman-level punch, he'd be splattered all over the sidewalk-- but killing heroes isn't Zoom's M.O.
...But Prime isn't a hero, so Zoom's methodology could possibly change-- especially if he gets basic knowledge of Prime before the battle.
So Dianna was lying... To herself? Lol.
It's not the same at all, actually. You're just being silly for no reason at all.
Prime 'retconned reality' because he was in a place where he could literally punch/break the physical 'walls' of reality. He didn't just start punching thin are, and *poof* reality was retconned.
Because Superman /w/ Doomsday enhancements, and Superman /w/ a sunamp is what Dianna was comparing Zoom's punches to, right?
Lol, stop being silly.
He hits her five times with Superman-level punches that we can see. Five times=/="countless, countless times", like you said.
Furthermore, concluding that he hit her anymore then that is yet another unsubstantiated conclusion on your end.
When did I say anything like that? The problem here is you're SO butthurt that you've ceased making sense. ...
No I didn't. I asked when Zoom has ever hit that hard before. I asked where the feats are that back up Zoom hitting that hard. I asked you to post a scan explaining why this is the only time he hit this hard. I didn't ask why he doesn't hit that hard, I asked why he only has one goddamned showing to back that up, and on panel reasons.
You chose to make up your own reason instead. I asked for proof, not "Galan proof". But I guess this gives you a reason to conveniently ignore the question.
Good for Wally. You want to know the difference between Zoom and Wally though? Wally has actually damaged and put down Superman level beings. Wally actually has scenes where he goes all out. We've seen Wally all out. We've seen his limits. We have a basis.
What you're trying to mislead everyone with Zoom is that he holds back all the time, and therefore all he can do is better, not the same, not lower, only better. You're creating a false representation of Zoom. One apparently never seen in comics according to you.
And that showing of power is backed up by absolutely no feat ever from him. It's like saying everytime Thor hits on the forum he's going to hit hard enough to rival the big bang. Or it's like saying Prime's durability is always at destroyed universe surviving levels. Never mind any feat where he gets hurt by less. Because that's the logic we apply to Zoom apparently. It wasn't pis, it was powerset!
But yes, I'm lowballing. I'm lowballing his highest feat. I'm lowballing feats you used as high feats. Does that make sense to you? Hell, I'm lowballing because I'm pointing out that every feat he has besides the Wonder Woman one has him hitting at a questionable level. Which is strangely backed up by the scan blitz you attempt at the end of your argument. So no, I'm the one that's lowballing... because everyone knows if a guy only has ONE feat that completely surpass every other feat he has in punching power, that is the one to use.
Like I stated at the start of this, you are blatantly highballing. You are clinging to one feat like crazy. But even using this feat, he failed to KO Wonder Woman... but I'm not allowed to point that out? I'm not allowed to point out him failing to KO Wonder Woman might directly equate into his inability to KO a VASTLY SUPERIOR being? How is this even logic? And how do you keep glossing over the fact that Zoom has never even come close to putting down a Superman level being?
Zoom hit "harder" than Superman in the same fight he failed to KO a blind Wonder Woman. And that sounds about right to you apparently. Let's say Zoom hits that hard in every fight.
Then he apparently pulls his punches back to like Spider-Man level in absolutely every single one of his appearances... except one.
Hell, you've literally just posted scans where he fights villains in your next post when Zoom is pissed off.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17061684/18.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17061685/19.jpg.html
And every single one of them is still standing. Every one of them. Bad. Every one of them he felt didn't contribute. Unharmed.
But you expect me to believe he only activates "Superman mode" just for villains or Wonder Woman level people? Again, you're making shit completely up. You have literally no basis except for the absolute defense of a PIS feat, and even then you have no basis. Your assumptions are completely off. Zoom doesn't activate "Superman mode" only for some occasions, he activates it under a writer who gave him a really high feat. That's it.
His methodology won't change based on what we've seen of Zoom. Galan Zoom might change, but not comic Zoom, at least not based on any sort of comic.
Oh and one more thing. He says the Freedom Fighters will be better heroes if they survive:
http://i39.tinypic.com/33xk1za.jpg
Does that sound like he's pulling punches to you? No, he's hitting them hard and basically saying they'll only be better if they can survive the beating.
Her dialogue made no sense is what I'm saying. I know you don't actually want to discuss the difference between Superman's punches and the one appearance of Zoom, but at least don't put words in my mouth.
But if "Lying to herself" means she thinks Zoom's punches hurt more than her getting bones broken, then yes, she was lying to herself. In fact, I think it's literally impossible for a punch that causes no damage to hurt more than a broken bone, unless it hits the liver, but I digress.
He punched a wall that Kal-L failed to retcon, and what he punched in the Phantom Zone is anyone's guess. However, all we're led to believe he has to do is just hit something really hard. He could hit the Earth, but possibly retconning Zoom, and destroying the planet would hinder Zoom too much... so I take it he won't do that. Zoom is fast after all.
So, Diana was actually saying "I've been hit by Superman, except the times when he actually hurt me, and this hurts more"? Or maybe she was saying "I've been hit by Superman, and this hurts more than that... outside the times he hit me the hardest he's ever hit me."
Seems about right following the logic going on here. If we don't count Sacrifice, "Doomsday" Superman was one of the more recent fights.
And he wasn't amped when he was "Doomsday", he was just really pissed off.
But basically, we just ignore the times he actually gave her a beating? Sure.
Five times now? Yeah, if we ignore his after images kicking Wonder Woman while she's one the ground.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/17052781/5.jpg.html
That's 3 kicks.
So yeah, I get that we just ignore how Zoom's attacks work then? All the after images in the attacks? All the rest of his history. Him hitting an amazon with a single looking punch and landing 200 punches? But yes, let's just assume he landed 7 attacks, because Zoom is definitely a single puncher... do you even read Zoom?
Though, 7 Superman level strikes on a blind Wonder Woman... Still.
I see butthurt has changed its meaning to mean anyone who disagrees with you.
But you did say that. The Superman level punches go against Zoom's entire history, and you choose to factor those in. You choose to ignore all of Zoom's lesser feats in history to account for "Superman level". You are no better than someone using one single low feat that goes against entire histories and using that as your main argument.
You are highballing. You are using a PIS feat, etc. You are constantly ignoring every other feat of Zoom in favor of one. And when I point out those other feats (which conveniently you've used in your favor) you say I'm lowballing. I'm factoring in history to say how hard Zoom should hit. You are using one feat.
Let's get a list of what you've posted as high feats and used in your favor, and all the "low feats" where he hit not-Superman level:
You posted him hitting the Rogues to relatively no effect.
You posted him blitzing Batman and Superman, and causing no damage.
You posted repeated showings of him hitting the Flashes and causing minimal damage. Hell, you've posted extended beatings of the Flashes where he doesn't cause a lot of damage.
And you expect me to just sit there and think the guy should hit Superman level? You get shocked that I'd point out in your own scans that he wasn't hitting hard at all? How dare I lowball, right?
Maybe I should go in the Galan school of thought where one feat that goes against every other feat is the absolute feat. Zoom doesn't hit hard in EVERY appearance? Well, that doesn't count because he hit hard in this ONE appearance.
The equivalent of this would be Hulk saying he's been hit by Thor, but Spider-Man's punches hurt more. Yup, Spider-Man always hits harder than Thor. It's just that he was uh... holding back?
, but zoom could do it as well.
