Majestic VS The WORTHY'S Thing and Hulk

zopzop

Originally posted by leonidas
taking the swords to their logical ends, coupled with his speed and strength....funny how no one wants to touch this.....lol
There's two ways you can look at this.

Team Worthy : Even though Worthy Thing was a joke, Worthy Hulk was powerful (ripping adamantium and crushing enchanted Asgardian metal).

Team Majestic : Worthy Thing was a joke, fact. Even Worthy Hulk had humiliating showings (see what Spiderwoman did to him). Now imagine a CL100 being with speedblitzing capabilities + unbreakable, razor sharp blades..........

I'm of the opinion that if Majestic plays it smart, he can win.

Khazra Reborn

With the blades, and barring PIS Majestic should be able to take both of their heads without much of a problem.

h1a8

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
With the blades, and barring PIS Majestic should be able to take both of their heads without much of a problem. That's what I was thinking of about Diana with her sword. These type of threads aren't good unless there is some defense against such attacks. Otherwise people are going to get butthurt.

Damborgson

Why is Angrir a joke now? He's high herald + easily.

zopzop

Originally posted by Damborgson
Why is Angrir a joke now? He's high herald + easily.
laughing

Damborgson

Originally posted by zopzop
laughing

Yes Zop? http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/nfforums/NF%20smilies/ofc5ra1.png

carver9

Originally posted by Damborgson
Why is Angrir a joke now? He's high herald + easily.

thumb up

Pillow Biter

Didn't Thor beat up Worthy Hulk and Thing together?

Blue Area Vet

Originally posted by leonidas
taking the swords to their logical ends, coupled with his speed and strength....funny how no one wants to touch this.....lol

Maybe it's because no on gives a shit about a fringe Superman clone beating two characters that actually matter to the their respective comic book universes. Just a thought. And oh yeah, Worthy Hulk and Thing do their dizzle.

Blue Area Vet

Originally posted by Damborgson
Why is Angrir a joke now? He's high herald + easily.

Look at the motely crew that assembled here. Are you surprised?

LordofBrooklyn

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Look at the motely crew that assembled here. Are you surprised?

I challenged you to back up your claims against Diana.

You backed down.

I now challenge to back up your claims against Majestros.

It should be light work for you.

leonidas

yeah, can't wait to see the "evidence"..... should be "worthy" (heh) of a laugh.

Reflassshh

Majestic, with easy to be honest.

LordofBrooklyn

Originally posted by leonidas
laughing out loud

yeah, can't wait to see the "evidence"..... should be "worthy" (heh) of a laugh.

He won't respond because he knows he will get crushed.

I will ask that Khazra Reborn allow me to claim the scalp of Blue Area Vet without his help.

carver9

Nul solos...destruction solos. Thor gave his all and had to resort to bfring...Thor is more powerful than Majestic, overall. Nul kills him. A trans character against a high Herald...never turns out right imo.

LordofBrooklyn

Originally posted by carver9
Nul solos...destruction solos. Thor gave his all and had to resort to bfring...Thor is more powerful than Majestic, overall. Nul kills him. A trans character against a high Herald...never turns out right imo.

You can step up as well!

You are sorely underestimating Majestros.

Blue Area Vet

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I challenged you to back up your claims against Diana.

You backed down.

I now challenge to back up your claims against Majestros.

It should be light work for you.

Okay, I'll bite but first you need to tell me what claim I made.

Blue Area Vet

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
He won't respond because he knows he will get crushed.

I will ask that Khazra Reborn allow me to claim the scalp of Blue Area Vet without his help.

I won't? Then how do you explain this? Looks like your pagan prayers went unanswered.

Dude, you are the reason people laugh at comic book fans.

LordofBrooklyn

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I won't? Then how do you explain this? Looks like your pagan prayers went unanswered.

Dude, you are the reason people laugh at comic book fans.

You used the word "DIZZLE " and I'M the reason people laugh at comic fans.

Ho sit down!

If "Dizzle" means they beat Majestros then you are mistaken.

What speed feats did Angrir and Nul display that would justify their dodging Majestic's attacks?

Why would Majestro's blades be unable to severe and/or pierce either foe?

Blue Area Vet

Branlor Swift

How good are Majestic's combat speed feats?

ODG

^ Apparently enough to roflstomp a duo that beat the absolute sh1t out of an all-out Thor?

Branlor Swift

Must be.

I mean, I don't see a problem with him beating a trans level Hulk, and a Thor level Thing, both with hammers... as long as he can move fast in a straight line of course.

celeyhyga17

Worthy should win.

Blue Area Vet

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You used the word "DIZZLE " and I'M the reason people laugh at comic fans.

Ho sit down!

If "Dizzle" means they beat Majestros then you are mistaken.

What speed feats did Angrir and Nul display that would justify their dodging Majestic's attacks?

Why would Majestro's blades be unable to severe and/or pierce either foe?

Gimma a ho if ya got ya funky bus fare
Ho, ho, ho!

What do you know about that, son? Nothing!

Anyway, they have exactly zero speed feats. Who gives a damn about speed feats, this is a fight, not the Scooby Olympics. Maestro or whatever his name is a non factor ass mofo. If he ever got lucky enough to be in the same universe as OGs Hulk and Thing he better offer to wash their cars for a year.

abhilegend

Creation Blades win.

Rage.Of.Olympus

So Majestic doesn't just beat a High Herald and a Trans, he's stomping them now?

no expression

It feels like the people commenting in this thread haven't actually read up on Majestic.

I mean, Kherubim forged blades are tough (People seem to be confusing them for the Creation Blades for some reason) but never have they demonstrated the ability to so significantly turn the tables. As a matter of fact, I'd like to see an example of them doing anything but breaking skin. Stabbing or slashing someone is one thing, it's a whole other deal to cut through bone and decapitate people. One Kherubim blade stabbed through Majestic's hand and throat, but that one was mystically enchanted specifically IIRC.

I agree, Majestic could win, but it would require turning of CIS, making him blood lusted (This part isn't that far fetched though) and giving him like a free opening shot or something. But even, not really favoring his chances. After all, the Worthy can teleport, fly, control the weather, blast energy etc.

h1a8

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Must be.

I mean, I don't see a problem with him beating a trans level Hulk, and a Thor level Thing, both with hammers... as long as he can move fast in a straight line of course. He can just lop their heads off before they can react. Thor managed to strike both of them so why not someone faster?

zopzop

Originally posted by h1a8
He can just lop their heads off before they can react. A WOUNDED Thor managed to strike both of them so why not someone faster?
People are forgetting the highlighted part.

A wounded Thor sh|tstomped a "high herald" and flash KOed a "trans level" being. If a wounded Thor can do it.............

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by zopzop
A wounded Thor sh|tstomped a "high herald" and flash KOed a "trans level" being. If a wounded Thor can do it.............

Did I miss the board ruling that allowed Thor's feats to be applicable to Majestic? Otherwise, I don't get it.

If you want to get into a feat contest, Thor's higher end showings would make Majestic look like a malnourished paraplegic. Frankly, Fractions' entire run was like one big Thor feat. His Thor one shot disintegrated another High Herald. Guess what, Majestic can't do that either. Nor can he at least stalemate the Silver Surfer while even more wounded.

carver9

Originally posted by zopzop
People are forgetting the highlighted part.

A wounded Thor sh|tstomped a "high herald" and flash KOed a "trans level" being. If a wounded Thor can do it.............

When was Nul koed? Also, Thor>Majestic. Nul withstood everything Thor threw at him until he was bfred. I've never seen a character withstood free lightning amped hammer shots from Thor like that and bounced up like nothing happened.

Lol...crazy thing about it is, this same wounded Thor was whipping up on your boy Surfer and tanked his attacks like candy was being thrown at him. Ain't that a b****.

zopzop

Originally posted by carver9
When was Nul koed? Also, Thor>Majestic. Nul withstood everything Thor threw at him until he was bfred. I've never seen a character withstood free lightning amped hammer shots from Thor like that and bounced up like nothing happened.

Lol...crazy thing about it is, this same wounded Thor was whipping up on your boy Surfer and tanked his attacks like candy was being thrown at him. Ain't that a b****.
Surfer was doing his usual 'let's talk this out routine' and was in no way bloodlusted or going in for the kill. So I don't get what the Surfer/Thor fight proves.

A wounded Thor humiliated these two clowns. Yet he couldn't put down the Surfer, who was more interested in talking than fighting.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Did I miss the board ruling that allowed Thor's feats to be applicable to Majestic? Otherwise, I don't get it.

If you want to get into a feat contest, Thor's higher end showings would make Majestic look like a malnourished paraplegic. Frankly, Fractions' entire run was like one big Thor feat. His Thor one shot disintegrated another High Herald. Guess what, Majestic can't do that either. Nor can he at least stalemate the Silver Surfer while even more wounded.
/yawn

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by zopzop
Surfer was doing his usual 'let's talk this out routine' and was in no way bloodlusted or going in for the kill. So I don't get what the Surfer/Thor fight proves.

A wounded Thor humiliated these two clowns. Yet he couldn't put down the Surfer, who was more interested in talking than fighting.

/yawn

I've heard this more then once but it's not true. I think it's due to his facial expressions. He always looks like he's about to cry in that arc.

But yea, Surfer at different points became extremely pissed (Not that it did him any good) and cut loose about as much as he ever has (Outside of some CBR like black hole in the brain but then Thor's not throwing around God Blasts either). This was confirmed by Surfer later on in the arc when Ulik was retconned:
http://s22.postimg.org/f55o9bti9/01_09_2012_20.jpg

Fraction was just really shit at writing fights unfortunately. It was just board behind the back, hammer throw, head butt, rinse and repeat. Also:
http://s22.postimg.org/rz3q2o6xt/22_02_2012_05.jpg

Made me lol.

Also, nice reply. Definitely countered all my points. /concession accepted

zopzop

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've heard this more then once but it's not true. I think it's due to his facial expressions. He always looks like he's about to cry in that arc.

But yea, Surfer at different points became extremely pissed (Not that it did him any good) and cut loose about as much as he ever has (Outside of some CBR like black hole in the brain but then Thor's not throwing around God Blasts either). This was confirmed by Surfer later on in the arc when Ulik was retconned:
http://s22.postimg.org/f55o9bti9/01_09_2012_20.jpg

Also:
http://s22.postimg.org/rz3q2o6xt/22_02_2012_05.jpg

Made me lol.
Yeah, he was so pissed he kept tell Thor to "wait" and "it pains me to do this". Sounds like he was straight up bloodlusted! That heathen. roll eyes (sarcastic)

carver9

Originally posted by zopzop
Surfer was doing his usual 'let's talk this out routine' and was in no way bloodlusted or going in for the kill. So I don't get what the Surfer/Thor fight proves.

A wounded Thor humiliated these two clowns. Yet he couldn't put down the Surfer, who was more interested in talking than fighting.

/yawn

Where was it stated Surfer was holding back? Surfer was trying to put Thor down.

Show me the humiliation.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4844/thorvshulkandthing.jpg
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4452/thorvshulkandthing2.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4580/thorvshulkandthing3.jpg
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2695/thorvshulkandthing4.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4769/thorvshulkandthing5b.jpg
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8383/thorvshulkandthing6.jpg
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6373/thorvshulkandthing7.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1622/thorvshulkandthing8.jpg

Odekahn

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
lol at some point when you read both sides, you realize that speed/strength is a deadly combo.

thumb up

carver9

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, he was so pissed he kept tell Thor to "wait" and "it pains me to do this". Sounds like he was straight up bloodlusted! That heathen. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Thor worked Surfer...while heavily wound and after a sneak attack from Surfer.

zopzop

Originally posted by carver9
Where was it stated Surfer was holding back? Surfer was trying to put Thor down.

Show me the humiliation.

http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/4844/thorvshulkandthing.jpg
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4452/thorvshulkandthing2.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4580/thorvshulkandthing3.jpg
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2695/thorvshulkandthing4.jpg
http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4769/thorvshulkandthing5b.jpg
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/8383/thorvshulkandthing6.jpg
http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/6373/thorvshulkandthing7.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1622/thorvshulkandthing8.jpg
You don't see Thor insta killing Worthy Ben and flash KOing Worthy Hulk all the while being wounded? Even if you don't believe that Worthy Hulk was flash KOed, Thor BFRed his ass and Hulk was unable to return in time (that counts as a forum win for Thor). Those boys were out for blood and Thor schooled them. Two vs a wounded One. Now let's compare that to this \/

Originally posted by carver9
Thor worked Surfer...while heavily wound and after a sneak attack from Surfer.
While Surfer was trying to talk sense into him. Surfer withstood direct Mjolnir strikes with no visible damage, stopped Thor's swing mid-strike (forcing Thor to headbutt him), casually deflected a Mjolnir strike with a shield, etc....

vince_slice

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I've heard this more then once but it's not true. I think it's due to his facial expressions. He always looks like he's about to cry in that arc.

Not really. Facial expressions mean something. Artists use them to convey a character's emotion. This is something you can't dismiss. Clearly Surfer's facial expressions (and what he actually said) very explicitly show Surfer's reluctance to fight. There is no getting around this fact.

Cut loose? In what way did Surfer cut loose? The only time he showed anger (based on his facial expressions, right?) was when Thor threatened to kill him on mars despite Surfer trying to talk Thor down. Even then, Surfer quickly did a 180 and showed "kindness" to Thor (as per Thor's own words), right after blasting him.

Thor being a douche, answered Surfer's kindness with a hammer toss, and Surfer get's annoyed once again at Thor being an ass. Not sure why you're trying to pass this off as Surfer cutting loose.

Thor had the intent to kill (as stated by Thor himself), and Surfer didn't, quite the opposite in fact.

Funny 'cause none of Thor's attacks did any lasting damage to Surfer at all. Despite the fact that he was going for the kill. Not surprising though, post-annihilation Surfer is powerful.

carver9

Originally posted by zopzop
You don't see Thor insta killing Worthy Ben and flash KOing Worthy Hulk all the while being wounded? Even if you don't believe that Worthy Hulk was flash KOed, Thor BFRed his ass and Hulk was unable to return in time (that counts as a forum win for Thor). Those boys were out for blood and Thor schooled them. Two vs a wounded One. Now let's compare that to this \/

While Surfer was trying to talk sense into him. Surfer withstood direct Mjolnir strikes with no visible damage, stopped Thor's swing mid-strike (forcing Thor to headbutt him), casually deflected a Mjolnir strike with a shield, etc....

I see him insta killing Thing...Mjlonir would have done the same thing to Majestic, especially the way Thor did it.

As soon as Nul was bfred, he redirected his path back to Earth. Look at the way Thor bfred him...the guy went Super Saiyan and then passed out afterwards. I've never seen Thor exert so much energy to get rid of/defeat an opponent. By the way, Majestic isn't Thor...Thor is far more powerful.

Lol...that's what Surfer does, he talks while he is in combat. That still doesn't take away from the fact that Thor was schooling him AFTER a sneak attack WHILE tanking everything Surfer threw at him. Lol, then Thor headbutted Surfer caving his head in.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by vince_slice
Not really. Facial expressions mean something. Artists use them to convey a character's emotion. This is something you can't dismiss. Clearly Surfer's facial expressions (and what he actually said) very explicitly show Surfer's reluctance to fight. There is no getting around this fact.

Facial expressions do matter, I'm not saying otherwise. But then a character outright pointing out his mentality in the encounter means a lot more.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Cut loose? In what way did Surfer cut loose? The only time he showed anger was when Thor threatened to kill him on mars despite Surfer trying to talk Thor down. Even then, Surfer quickly did a 180 and showed "kindness" to Thor (as per Thor's own words), right after blasting him.

Thor being a douche, answered Surfer's kindness with a hammer toss, and Surfer get's annoyed once again at Thor being an ass. Not sure why you're trying to pass this off as Surfer cutting loose.

Thor had the intent to kill (as stated by Thor himself), and Surfer didn't, quite the opposite in fact.

I'd say Surfer cut loose whenever he got upset during the different points. Whether that meant a board to the back or an energy blast to the face doesn't really make much difference. It's stupid as I believe the fight can be a lot more epic but Fraction's idea of Odin's finishing blow was a headbutt so whatever.

Without re-reading the fight, Surfer was pushed over the edge during their first encounter on Earth after the headbutt, after Thor rammed Galactus and he screamed then rammed him, when he blasted him, and after Thor responded to Surfer's "kindness". Not an insignificant amount, especially since the fights were brief as they were.

I'm not denying that Surfer showed more compassion but at certain points both had more then enough.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Funny 'cause none of Thor's attacks did any lasting damage to Surfer at all. Despite the fact that he was going for the kill. Not surprising though, post-annihilation Surfer is powerful.

Okay? Did I argue Thor left Surfer brutally crippled or something?

I'm not saying Surfer's not powerful or anything. That being said, I'd very strongly argue that Thor came off as more impressive in direct combat.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by zopzop
Yeah, he was so pissed he kept tell Thor to "wait" and "it pains me to do this". Sounds like he was straight up bloodlusted! That heathen. roll eyes (sarcastic)

I don't understand why Surfer being a lot more pacifistic at different points doesn't mean he wasn't pissed at others? When you poke him, he gets mad.

Personally, I wish Surfer could have been drooling at the mouth with rage. Unfortunately, as shown in the Defenders, Fraction's Surfer was extremely detached (Maybe a bit too much) and wouldn't start cracking his knuckles in anger. Although it wouldn't have changed the fight any. If you think otherwise, well, I recommend giving the rest of Fraction's run a read through for perspective.

vince_slice

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Facial expressions do matter, I'm not saying otherwise. But then a character outright pointing out his mentality in the encounter means a lot more.

Yeah, except that wasn't his mentality for the entire fight though. Not even 1/4th of the fight or fights. Trying to pretend it was is misleading. Like I said, he showed anger at the very end of the fight, and very briefly. But even then, Surfer being annoyed at Thor's douchiness =/= bloodlust, which Thor had on. Bloodlust is far more extreme than mere anger at someone being a douche.

All he did was blast him and ask if Thor was done being a dick. Again, right after he did this, he showed KINDNESS to Thor. How on Earth is this cutting loose? When you cut loose you don't show concern and kindness to your opponent...

lol pushed ove the edge. He sure was pissed at Thor with that sad face of his, and his pleading of Thor not to fight.

No, I'm just pointing out despite Thor's rage and bloodlust, none of his attacks did any lasting damage against Surfer at all. Even his initial head butt looked like it damaged him more so than Surfer. Not surprising because Fraction's Surfer was beyond physical form.

And I'd very strongly argue against it, taking into account the context of their mentalities, and what actually happened.

carver9

When is Surfer ever bloodlusted though? Do we discredit every fight he is in because he isn't mad enough?

vince_slice

Originally posted by carver9
When is Surfer ever bloodlusted though? Do we discredit every fight he is in because he isn't mad enough?
When he nearly one-shot killed Super Skrull, and evolved an entire planet's population billions of years in seconds, and then proceeded to incinerate the entire planet.

No you don't discount fights, but when one character explicitly shows reluctance to fight, and the other is full of rage and bloodlust, you can't ignore it. You absolutely have to take that into account.

carver9

Originally posted by vince_slice
When he nearly one-shot killed Super Skrull, and evolved an entire planet's population billions of years in seconds, and then proceeded to incinerate the entire planet.

No you don't discount fights, but when one character explicitly shows reluctance to fight, and the other is full of rage and bloodlust, you can't ignore it. You absolutely have to take that into account.

Which is rare. Ninety percent of the time, Surfer is a pacifist.

Surfer blitzed Thor into a planet at super speed. That isn't a sign of showing "you don't want to fight". He blasted him as well. Surfer was on the offense just as much as Thor imo.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by vince_slice
Yeah, except that wasn't his mentality for the entire fight though. Not even 1/4th of the fight or fights. Trying to pretend it was is misleading. Like I said, he showed anger at the very end of the fight, and very briefly. But even then, Surfer being annoyed at Thor's douchiness =/= bloodlust, which Thor had on. Bloodlust is far more extreme than mere anger at someone being a douche.

All he did was blast him and ask if Thor was done being a dick. Again, right after he did this, he showed KINDNESS to Thor. How on Earth is this cutting loose? When you cut loose you don't show concern and kindness to your opponent...

lol pushed ove the edge. He sure was pissed at Thor with that sad face of his, and his pleading of Thor not to fight.

No, I'm just pointing out despite Thor's rage and bloodlust, none of his attacks did any lasting damage against Surfer at all. Even his initial head butt looked like it damaged him more so than Surfer. Not surprising because Fraction's Surfer was beyond physical form.

Again, Surfer having an almost bipolar switch between compassion and anger under Fraction does not mean that he can't be pissed. If he goes from angry to worried, that doesn't mean he was only pretending to be angry or something.

I posted the scans. Fraction's thoughts on Surfer's mindset was very clear. Thor pushed him over the edge, beyond reason, he was enraged etc. That's all there is to it.

You could argue that Surfer wasn't blasting Thor with the specific intent to put him down or wasn't trying to best to take him out of the fight with his board attacks because he looked sad and pretend what was said was a lie.

You've obviously read Fraction's Defenders, no? So his writing of a detached Surfer should be extremely clear to you. As a matter of fact, those scenes with Thor are the most emotion, particularly anger, that he's ever shown under his pen as far as I can remember.

Anyways, feel free to disagree, but with the information you have on hand I honestly think it's ridiculous to think that fight under Fraction would have gone any different if Surfer was grimacing through it more often.

Fraction's Thor was also not written as the conventional norm. He was always coming across pissed. His default was angry but he didn't fight every battle doing his best to kill an opponent right away.

Originally posted by vince_slice
And I'd very strongly argue against it, taking into account the context of their mentalities, and what actually happened.

Whatever you say.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by carver9
Which is rare. Ninety percent of the time, Surfer is a pacifist.

Surfer blitzed Thor into a planet at super speed. That isn't a sign of showing "you don't want to fight". He blasted him as well. Surfer was on the offense just as much as Thor imo.

I think there seems to be some disconnect. For example, this imo is an example of Fraction's Surfer being pissed and angry:
http://s14.postimg.org/wyi7fnf6n/Mighty_Thor03_012_013.jpg

He looks pretty calm. Then you read the dialogue and he's basically telling Thor to f*ck off with his little hammer or he'd get stomped.

Now, I understand the importance of looking at facial expressions but you should not discount common sense and all other information in favor of this.

vince_slice

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Again, Surfer having an almost bipolar switch between compassion and anger under Fraction does not mean that he can't be pissed. If he goes from angry to worried, that doesn't mean he was only pretending to be angry or something.

I never said he can't be pissed or wasn't pissed. I stated he was angry, but very briefly in the fight. Re-read my post. I also stated that Surfer being briefly angry pales in comparison to Thor's bloodlust, which was on from the very begining of the fight.

Yeah, Surfer was angry...for a brief moment. That's the point I'm trying to hammer across. That statement in no way means Surfer was pissed the entire fight though. It only acknowledges that Surfer got pissed for a brief moment in the fight.

I'm arguing Surfer wasn't going for the kill, while Thor was.

Sure. He wanted to connect with his human emotions. And he succeeded. He showed a range of emotion from awe, wonder, and happiness, annoyance, boredom, shock, etc. If anything, he became less compassionate in Defenders.

I'm not saying it would go differently. Just trying to keep things in perspective.

Fraction's Thor was also more brutal, more aggressive, and had killed more often. I'm pretty sure it's linked to him being pissed all the time.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by vince_slice

I'm not saying it would go differently. Just trying to keep things in perspective.

As long as you understand this, then the rest is just semantics.

Some people pretend if Surfer was screaming in anger more often, he'd have won or something. I think that's silly. Especially since when he was explicitly pushed over the edge....absolutely nothing changed and he never gained any advantage.

None of their attacks had lasting damage (Not even the headbutt or a pissed Surfer blasting Thor in the face) but imho, Thor came off as at least as powerful as Surfer in combat.

Originally posted by vince_slice

Fraction's Thor was also more brutal, more aggressive, and had killed more often. I'm pretty sure it's linked to him being pissed all the time.

Like I said, Fraction's Thor default was Viking warrior like the days of old. As a result, Thor telling someone he'd rip their spine out isn't the oh shit, things are going to get out of control now, sign that it usually is. Of course, Fraction's Thor was on average crazy powerful so ultimately, I guess it doesn't make any difference lol.

vince_slice

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think there seems to be some disconnect. For example, this imo is an example of Fraction's Surfer being pissed and angry:

He looks pretty calm. Then you read the dialogue and he's basically telling Thor to f*ck off with his little hammer or he'd get stomped.

Now, I understand the importance of looking at facial expressions but you should not discount common sense and all other information in favor of this.
You think this is Surfer being pissed? laughing out loud

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by vince_slice
You think this is Surfer being pissed? laughing out loud

That's just a classic Surfer monologue.

He looks calm because he is calm. You can tell people to f*ck off eloquently without being pissed off or angry.

THIS is Surfer being pissed (both in terms of facial expression and words):
http://s22.postimg.org/4b7it41st/mightythor005_int_lr_0002.jpg

Based on what I've seen from Fraction? I'd argue yes. Why do you find that funny? You've also read his take on Surfer. It's not conventional, but that doesn't make it any less canon.

I also think this scene (After Thor rams into Galactus) is his equivalent of screaming in rage:
http://s11.postimg.org/pwldcnqv5/07_27_2011_19.jpg

But....he looks like he's crying.

That is the most clear cut moment of him being angry. Although using past instances as references, it's his equivalent of Warrior Madness. laughing out loud

Naija boy

In that arc, Thor was on a murderous rampage willing to even kill a past ally. Surfer...who generally has qualms about killing anyone, certainly was nowhere near that level...

vince_slice

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As long as you understand this, then the rest is just semantics.

Some people pretend if Surfer was screaming in anger more often, he'd have won or something. I think that's silly. Especially since when he was explicitly pushed over the edge....absolutely nothing changed and he never gained any advantage.

None of their attacks had lasting damage (Not even the headbutt or a pissed Surfer blasting Thor in the face) but imho, Thor came off as at least as powerful as Surfer in combat.

Like I said, Fraction's Thor default was Viking warrior like the days of old. As a result, Thor telling someone he'd rip their spine out isn't the oh shit, things are going to get out of control now, sign that it usually is. Of course, Fraction's Thor was on average crazy powerful so ultimately, I guess it doesn't make any difference lol.

Surfer got pissed at the very end, and before the fight could continue with Surfer being consistently pissed, Sif interrupted and the fight stopped. Before that though, it was essentially stalemate with neither of them doing lasting damage to the other.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Does anyone remember the interview Fraction had after the Galactus arc but before the Tanarus arc? Not the one where he described the Odin/Galactus battle being about entities who can turn each other into a moth and then jar said moth, the second one.

I'm going to look for it but it'd be a big help if anyone can PM if they remember the source, it would make things a lot easier. Fraction points out that he wanted to give a glimpse of what a herald of Galactus can do when given a rare chance to really cut loose into an opponent.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by vince_slice
Surfer got pissed at the very end, and before the fight could continue with Surfer being consistently pissed, Sif interrupted and the fight stopped. Before that though, it was essentially stalemate with neither of them doing lasting damage to the other.

I think Surfer was pissed at points before the fight.

Are you implying that the fight would have changed any if Sif hadn't intervened? That Surfer would have gotten the advantage? We saw Surfer blast Thor in the face and ram him with a board from behind, then collide. And literally nothing was different. It was the exact same attacks that he used before with the exact same results: Thor being completely unhurt.

Does this not tell you something?

vince_slice

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Based on what I've seen from Fraction? I'd argue yes. Why do you find that funny? You've also read his take on Surfer. It's not conventional, but that doesn't make it any less canon.

I don't see how you can argue that during the monologue scene Surfer was pissed or angry. You're assuming he's pissed based on what emotional cues? Anger is an emotion after all. And it's always conveyed via the face or dialogue. Where is your evidence that Surfer is pissed in your scene?

This is the best example of anger during that arc from Surfer, and it looks nothing like the scene you posted:
http://s22.postimg.org/4b7it41st/mightythor005_int_lr_0002.jpg <--- Surfer angry.

That is absolutely not the most clear cut scene of Surfer being angry. I posted the best example above. That looks more like Surfer is displaying absolute shock at Thor's recklessness.

Here's artist's example of a person being shocked:
http://s16.postimg.org/qqwiyyfxd/huge_5_25152.jpg

Look similar doesn't it?

vince_slice

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I think Surfer was pissed at points before the fight.

Are you implying that the fight would have changed any if Sif hadn't intervened? That Surfer would have gotten the advantage? We saw Surfer blast Thor in the face and ram him with a board from behind, then collide. And literally nothing was different. It was the exact same attacks that he used before with the exact same results: Thor being completely unhurt.

Does this not tell you something?

I don't know, I'm not a fortune teller. Trying to predict what would happen would be pure speculation. All I'm saying is that you can't say Surfer was bloodlusted or equally angry like Thor was throughout the entire fight.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by vince_slice
I don't see how you can argue that during the monologue scene Surfer was pissed or angry. You're assuming he's pissed based on what emotional cues? Anger is an emotion after all. And it's always conveyed via the face or dialogue. Where is your evidence that Surfer is pissed in your scene?

This is the best example of anger during that arc from Surfer, and it looks nothing like the scene you posted:
http://s22.postimg.org/4b7it41st/mightythor005_int_lr_0002.jpg <--- Surfer angry.

Because of what he said. Because right before that, he'd made it clear that he was going to fight and had enough of playing nice with Thor until Odin intervened.

Originally posted by vince_slice
That is absolutely not the most clear cut scene of Surfer being angry. I posted the best example above. That looks more like Surfer is displaying absolute shock at Thor's recklessness.

Here's artist's example of a person being shocked:
http://s16.postimg.org/qqwiyyfxd/huge_5_25152.jpg

Look similar doesn't it?

I was talking about the scan you posted.

Shocked? no expression

He yelled Thor's name and proceeded to ram him into a planet with enough force to even hurt himself.

Well, whatever. Like I said, as long as you realize that nothing would have changed and don't pretend that he'd have suddenly started winning or something, I don't care whether you think he was as zen as Buddha or as angry as World Breaker Hulk.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by vince_slice
I don't know, I'm not a fortune teller. Trying to predict what would happen would be pure speculation. All I'm saying is that you can't say Surfer was bloodlusted or equally angry like Thor was throughout the entire fight.

No, you're not. But you can make an educated guess being a functioning human being and all.

Like I said: We saw Surfer blast Thor in the face and ram him with a board from behind, then collide. And literally nothing was different. It was the exact same attacks that he used before with the exact same results: Thor being completely unhurt.

What does this lead you to believe? Either Thor got more durable, you're of the opinion that Surfer was holding back his power level at some specific level, or the far more likely: Nothing would have changed.

eaebiakuya

Originally posted by carver9
I've never seen Thor exert so much energy to get rid of/defeat an opponent.

lol. you need to read Thor vs Celestials or Thor vs Glory. There you can see him exert much energy to destroy a enemy.

In the fight against Nul, he passed out because he was injured (he put his hand in the place of the injured). I hope someday someone do a Mithbust about this...

About this Thor vs Surfer fight, i think we cant say its was not a draw...any other thing is fanboysm.

vince_slice

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Because of what he said. Because right before that, he'd made it clear that he was going to fight and had enough of playing nice with Thor until Odin intervened.
And? Everything Surfer said, he said elequoently and calmly. Even while fighting Thor, he spoke and acted calmly.

Just because Surfer was warning Odin and Thor about Galactus doesn't mean he was pissed, because that's essentially what the monologue was about. Especially when his face clearly shows calmness, and likewise with his speech. Even you admitted he lookd calm in that scene.

You lost me here.

Yeah. Absolutely shocked. Like when a former ally does something crazy or reckless. Which is what happened. Wouldn't you tackle down a friend who was doing something dangerous and crazy?

I'd like to keep my focus on what actually occurred.

Rage.Of.Olympus

Originally posted by vince_slice
And? Everything Surfer said, he said elequoently and calmly. Even while fighting Thor, he spoke and acted calmly.

Just because Surfer was warning Odin and Thor about Galactus doesn't mean he was pissed, because that's essentially what the monologue was about. Especially when his face clearly shows calmness, and likewise with his speech. Even you admitted he lookd calm in that scene.

You lost me here.

Yeah. Absolutely shocked. Like when a former ally does something crazy or reckless. Which is what happened. Wouldn't you tackle down a friend who was doing something dangerous and crazy?

I'd like to keep my focus on what actually occurred.

Agree to disagree.

I'll find the Fraction interview and settle this discussion.