Proxima Midnight/Corvus Glaive vs Aquaman/Frankenstein

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celeyhyga17
Team 2 is DCnU.

Fukkkin Fight!!!!!
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Prof. T.C McAbe
Team 2. AM is a beast and Frankenstein, well he is the goddamn Frankenstein for christs sake!

celeyhyga17
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Team 2. AM is a beast and Frankenstein, well he is the goddamn Frankenstein for christs sake!
The hell kind of half @$$ed reasoning is this?

Prof. T.C McAbe
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The hell kind of half @$$ed reasoning is this?

biscuits

Odekahn
Team 1 imo

Galan007
T2 wins mainly due to Frank's beastliness. Good fight, though.

carver9
Proxima would mess Franky up.

Golgo13
Frankenstein solos.

Galan007
Originally posted by carver9
Proxima would mess Franky up. Based on what, carv? Legit question, as I only read the main Infinity series, so I may have missed feats she accrued during the tie-ins.

Khazra Reborn
Corvus and PM cleaned out the X-Men off panel, the only other showings PM has had that I know of is fighting Luke Cage.

Galan007
Luke stalemating Proxima is exactly why I have a hard time believing that she'd "mess Franky up."

Frankenstein beat OMAC, for crying out loud. /shrug

carver9
Originally posted by Galan007
Luke stalemating Proxima is exactly why I have a hard time believing that she'd "mess Franky up." /shrug

She messed Hyperion up with a blade slam. She took out Hulk...had Ms. Marvel messed all up with that same blade slam. She hit Hulk with the pressure of a star and even though Franky is strong, he isn't Hulk strong.

Khazra Reborn
Wasn't it Corvus who cut up Hyperion?

Golgo13
Franksenstien cuts both their heads off with Lucifer's sword.

ares834
What has Frankie actually done? I haven't been following JLD.

carver9
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Wasn't it Corvus who cut up Hyperion?

Yes, before that she slammed her weapon on the ground which damaged Hyperion.

Golgo13
Originally posted by ares834
What has Frankie actually done? I haven't been following JLD.

Easily out muscled SHAZAM, went toe to toe with OMAC, fought and killed incredibly huge monster beings with just his sword, and even Pre-Flashpoint, defeated Solomon Grundy.

carver9
Originally posted by Golgo13
Easily out muscled SHAZAM, went toe to toe with OMAC, fought and killed incredibly huge monster beings with just his sword, and even Pre-Flashpoint, defeated Solomon Grundy.

So what defense showings does he have against her blade.?

Golgo13
Originally posted by carver9
So what defense showings does he have against her blade.?

Lucifer's sword.

Galan007
Originally posted by carver9
She messed Hyperion up with a blade slam. She took out Hulk...had Ms. Marvel messed all up with that same blade slam. She hit Hulk with the pressure of a star and even though Franky is strong, he isn't Hulk strong. Yeah, I'd thought about her spear(it's really her best option here, imo.) However, while the spear may be touted to kill most things it strikes, the same thing can be said about The Rot-- yet Frank is immune to its effects nonetheless:
http://imgur.com/HaXZlPm
http://imgur.com/VhdbYzf
http://imgur.com/c3O8DPe
http://imgur.com/4c2DYpK
If The Rot can't hurt Frank, it's hard for me to imagine Proxima's spear hurting him, but I digress...

His guns can deliver anti-nuclear payloads, and have no problem killing the undead/demon type:
http://imgur.com/P9ZjmlD

He wields the sword of Michael, which can cleave right through damn near anything:
http://imgur.com/0Kxz1Hc

Furthermore(and most impressively), his strength is sufficient to toss around the likes of Shazam/Dianna, and tool OMAC... If you're not familiar with OMAC, he easily owned: the Nuclear Men, Iron General in August, Godiva, Guy Gardner, The Olympian, Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, etc. Aside from that, Superman postulated that OMAC might be even stronger than himself-- but again: Frankenstein proved to be his superior.


Proxima's best bet for an incapacitation/TKO-win is that starweight-net-thingy she did to Hulk-- but it seemed like her initial/first-line/go-to tactic was simply skewering/killing her opponents with a spear-throw-- something that certainly wouldn't be a full-proof tactic against Frank. So yeah...

Originally posted by Golgo13
Lucifer'sMichael's sword. FTFY.

DarkSaint85
Plus, for all of the hype about Proxima's weapon....who did she actually kill with it?

carver9
@Galan...

Why would the Rot work on someone with Frank's physique? We can't exclude an attack if another attack doesn't work.

She seems faster than Frank imo and more agile. I see no reason for her not to gain the advantage using her stealth and superior range attack.

What's Frank's best speed ft? I'm trying to see if he has the capabilities of blocking her blades.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah, I'd thought about her spear(it's really her best option here, imo.) However, while the spear may be touted to kill most things it strikes, the same thing can be said about The Rot-- yet Frank is immune to its effects nonetheless:
http://imgur.com/HaXZlPm
http://imgur.com/VhdbYzf
http://imgur.com/c3O8DPe
http://imgur.com/4c2DYpK
If The Rot can't hurt Frank, it's hard for me to imagine Proxima's spear hurting him, but I digress...

His guns can deliver anti-nuclear payloads, and have no problem killing the undead/demon type:
http://imgur.com/P9ZjmlD

He wields the sword of Michael, which can cleave right through damn near anything:
http://imgur.com/0Kxz1Hc

Furthermore(and most impressively), his strength is sufficient to toss around the likes of Shazam/Dianna, and tool OMAC... If you're not familiar with OMAC, he easily owned: the Nuclear Men, Iron General in August, Godiva, Guy Gardner, The Olympian, Booster Gold, Blue Beetle, etc. Aside from that, Superman postulated that OMAC might be even stronger than himself-- but again: Frankenstein proved to be his superior.


Proxima's best bet for an incapacitation/TKO-win is that starweight-net-thingy she did to Hulk-- but it seemed like her initial/first-line/go-to tactic was simply skewering/killing her opponents with a spear-throw-- something that certainly wouldn't be a full-proof tactic against Frank. So yeah...

FTFY.

ooops. Still a formidable weapon that would destroy PM, IMO.

Galan007
Originally posted by carver9
@Galan...

Why would the Rot work on someone with Frank's physique? We can't exclude an attack if another attack doesn't work.

She seems faster than Frank imo and more agile. I see no reason for her not to gain the advantage using her stealth and superior range attack.

What's Frank's best speed ft? I'm trying to see if he has the capabilities of blocking her blades. The Rot is a fundamental force of death/destruction/decay in DC, of which has proven quite fatal to almost anything it has come in contact with(see Swamp Thing and Earth 2 for examples)-- Frank is immune to it. If The Rot cannot harm Frank, there is no reason for me to believe the spear's 'insta-kill-you' effect would just... Kill him outright(especially given that it is relatively featless in that regard.)

Without her spear, Luke Cage was going blow-for-blow with Proxy. Pardon me for not being overly impressed by her speed/stealth/strength.

What does speed have to do with anything?

carver9
Originally posted by Galan007
The Rot is a fundamental force of death/destruction/decay in DC, of which has proven quite fatal to almost anything it has come in contact with(see Swamp Thing and Earth 2 for examples)-- Frank is immune to it. If The Rot cannot harm Frank, there is no reason for me to believe the spear's 'insta-kill-you' effect would just... Kill him outright(especially given that it is relatively featless in that regard.)

Without her spear, Luke Cage was going blow-for-blow with Proxy. Pardon me for not being overly impressed by her speed/stealth/strength.

What does speed have to do with anything?

Because he would be open to her attacks. It might not kill him but it'll harm him to the point of it being a forum win.

Golgo13
Originally posted by carver9
Because he would be open to her attacks. It might not kill him but it'll harm him to the point of it being a forum win.

What are her best speed feats?

eaebiakuya
The spear can travel at lightspeed at least, if Proxima wants.

But it was blocked by Captain America and a random soldier from Wakanda...

Khazra Reborn
I forgot about Frank's crossover with OMAC, I really miss his (OMAC's) ongoing, one of the saddest New 52 cancellations.

At any rate, PM does seem to have a definite speed edge, but if Frank gets his hands in her it's completely over. I doubt the spear would kill Frank, but the net might be trouble. As of now, Frank hasn't done anything close to withstanding a star, not to say he couldn't but so far he hasn't had that caliber of durability showing.

Let's not discount Corvus or Arthur either, Arthur had a few sick showings in Aquaman 25, and Curvus cut through Hyperion like he wasn't even there.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
I forgot about Frank's crossover with OMAC, I really miss his (OMAC's) ongoing, one of the saddest New 52 cancellations.

At any rate, PM does seem to have a definite speed edge, but if Frank gets his hands in her it's completely over. I doubt the spear would kill Frank, but the net might be trouble. As of now, Frank hasn't done anything close to withstanding a star, not to say he couldn't but so far he hasn't had that caliber of durability showing.

Let's not discount Corvus or Arthur either, Arthur had a few sick showings in Aquaman 25, and Curvus cut through Hyperion like he wasn't even there.

I think Franky tagged Flash in TW. So, Franky has enhanced speed, strength, etc... He's a super soldier just like Cap... But better.

Khazra Reborn
Did he? I thought Flash was running circles around him.

Rage.Of.Olympus
Proxima's Midnight spear should give her the win over either of Team 2 as it can pretty easily incapacitate and hurt them.

Corvus Glaive's staff is also very dangerous as it can cut apart either Aquaman or Frankenstein.

Team 2 however is noticeably physically stronger. This can go either way. I might give it to Team 1 because I don't know how anyone can counter Proxima's spear.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Did he? I thought Flash was running circles around him.

I think so. He was also fighting guys with super speed like Superman and OMAC as well.

Golgo13
I vote for Galan to do a Frankenstein respect thread. thumb up

ares834
Originally posted by Galan007
He wields the sword of Michael, which can cleave right through damn near anything:
http://imgur.com/0Kxz1Hc

Dang! Have they explained how he got Michael's sword?

Galan007
Originally posted by carver9
Because he would be open to her attacks. It might not kill him but it'll harm him to the point of it being a forum win. He would be open to Proxy's spear-throw--which I've never debated. However, the spear wouldn't have the same effect on Frank that it does on most others, for reasons I've already mentioned(it'd just leave a hole wherever it struck, which isn't a big deal at all for Frank, thanks to the blood of Melmoth he's got coursing through his veins)... And once Proxy's spear is out of the way, all it takes is Luke Cage-level strength/durability to fight evenly with her-- and Frank is considerably above Luke in those areas.

Additional proof that Frank would be immune to the spear's alleged 'insta-kill-you' effect can be seen here...

Frank tanks a 'BlackBomb':
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125552_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg17.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125555_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg18.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125556_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg19.jpg
"The BlackBomb atomizes any living thing in its blast range. I was... Immune."

Like I said earlier, Proxy's only surefire tactic is the starweight-net, imo. That, however, certainly didn't appear to be an ability she used right out of the gate... Which is why I think Frank would beat her.

Originally posted by ares834
Dang! Have they explained how he got Michael's sword? Sadly, they have not. sad

It, like all of his other arcane weaponry, just seems to be something he accrued over the centuries.

Golgo13
Originally posted by Galan007
He would be open to her spear-throw--which I've never debated. However, the spear hitting Frank wouldn't have the same effect it does on most others, for reasons I've already mentioned(it's just leave a hole wherever it struck, which isn't a big deal at all... And once her spear is out of the way, all it takes is Luke Cage-level strength/durability to fight evenly with Proxy-- and Frank is considerably above Luke in those areas.

Additional proof that Frank would be immune to the spear's 'insta-kill-you' effect can be seen here...

Frank tanks a 'BlackBomb':
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125552_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg17.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125555_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg18.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125556_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg19.jpg
"The BlackBomb atomizes any living thing in its blast range. I was... Immune."

Like I said earlier, Proxy's only viable tactic is the starweight-net, imo. That, however, certainly didn't appear to be her go-to/immediate/initial tactic.

Sadly, they have not. sad

Franky is an absolute BEAST. No wonder they call him the unstoppable super soldier. He's basically the slayer of top tiers. wink

Galan007
Frank is SO much more than most people realize.

Cogito
Originally posted by Galan007
Frank tanks a 'BlackBomb':
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125552_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg17.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125555_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg18.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125556_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg19.jpg
"The BlackBomb atomizes any living thing in its blast range. I was... Immune."


No offense, but that's not really a durability feat for Franky. Frank was immune because he's only sort of living, sort of dead-ish. So no, not really a durability feat IMO.

Galan007
Originally posted by Cogito
No offense, but that's not really a durability feat for Franky. Frank was immune because he's only sort of living, sort of dead-ish. So no, not really a durability feat IMO. Didn't think I'd need to post more context, but apparently... I was wrong.

Those creatures Frank was fighting were "The Rot incarnate":
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125750_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg15.jpg

When said creatures began spawning en gros, Frank called a "Code 666", which, in layman's terms, is "an undead infestation":
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125752_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg16.jpg

In a nutshell: the BlackBomb was able to perma-kill undead manifestations of The Rot itself via atomization(anything less than that would've just made The Rot-creatures spread even more)... Yet Frank was immune to its effects.


So yeah, it definitely was a very impressive resistance feat for Frank. smile

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
Frank is SO much more than most people realize. thumb up

Frank is a beast.

Cogito
Originally posted by Galan007
Didn't think I'd need to post more context, but apparently... I was wrong.

Those creatures Frank was fighting were "The Rot incarnate":
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125750_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg15.jpg

When said creatures began spawning en gros, Frank called a "Code 666", which, in layman's terms, is "an undead infestation":
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17125752_Frankenstein_Agent_of_Shade_09_pg16.jpg

In a nutshell: the BlackBomb was able to perma-kill undead manifestations of The Rot itself via atomization(anything less than that would've just made The Rot-creatures spread even more)... Yet Frank was immune to its effects.


So yeah, it definitely was a very impressive resistance feat for Frank. smile

Ah, clarification was definitely necessary thumb up

I started reading Frankenstein but stopped for no good reason.

Galan007
Originally posted by Cogito
Ah, clarification was definitely necessary thumb up

I started reading Frankenstein but stopped for no good reason. Cool beans. thumb up

Frank's solo was obviously very reminiscent of Hellboy, but it was good if for no other reason then to add a bit of depth to Franks character.

leonidas
i really wanted the solo to be good, but....i just never really loved it. frank was so cool, and still has some amazing potential, but he really needs a writer to take him to some new places.... erm

Golgo13
Originally posted by leonidas
i really wanted the solo to be good, but....i just never really loved it. frank was so cool, and still has some amazing potential, but he really needs a writer to take him to some new places.... erm

I thought Lemire did a wonderful job. Same with Kindt. Especially Kindt.

leonidas
really? different strokes i guess.... btw--anyone know how frank ended up with michael's sword...? i never did see it explained.

Golgo13
Originally posted by leonidas
really? different strokes i guess.... btw--anyone know how frank ended up with michael's sword...? i never did see it explained.

Kindt's strong suit is high concepts and he delivered in Franksenstein, which is how it should be done. Same with Lemire when they visited Monster Planet, etc... It was getting pretty awesome, too, because Kindt was going to explore all the body parts that made Frankenstein and how it was composed of some of the most famous people in history. I really liked that. Just MO.

And, no, it was never explained how he got Michael's sword.

leonidas
i agree--it was cool that he was going to get into the bodies that made him up. the whole monster island schtick did NOT work for me at all. the whole thing felt rushed and (even in the comic world) a little unbelievable to me. whatever. frank IS cool, no doubt, and hopefully we'll see a lot more of him.

Golgo13
Originally posted by leonidas
i agree--it was cool that he was going to get into the bodies that made him up. the whole monster island schtick did NOT work for me at all. the whole thing felt rushed and (even in the comic world) a little unbelievable to me. whatever. frank IS cool, no doubt, and hopefully we'll see a lot more of him.

Have you been reading Justice League Dark?

leonidas
i read the first half of the series and fell out of it. has it been good lately?

Golgo13
Originally posted by leonidas
i read the first half of the series and fell out of it. has it been good lately?

JD Matties is the new writer and it's been pretty awesome, IMO. But I like mystic characters. Right now the team consists of Constantine, Swamp Thing, Nightmare Nurse, Phantom Stranger, Pandora, and maybe Zauriel, and Question as well. They're off to fight the embodiment of evil and searching for Zatanna, Frankenstein, and the other missing members.

leonidas
cool beans. i'll get back to it. really enjoying american vampire lately, and east of west. so much out there to read....

Galan007
JLD is awesome, leo. You should definitely read when you get a chance.

Cogito
Originally posted by Galan007
Cool beans. thumb up Originally posted by leonidas
cool beans.
Too many "cool beans" in this thread

Galan007
Hater. sneer

leonidas
Originally posted by Cogito
Too many "cool beans" in this thread

laughing out loud

i use that in rl now. always wondered where i got it.....galan's influence extends beyond the interwebz it seems....

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